If they did that they would do it to a lot of other ships. Which I am sure you are well aware would then be ridiculously useless. A lot of Caldari hulls come to mind... Amarr would also be affected.

Sorry, but advice rejected. Even across racial boundaries we are not losing options.

and that devblog from a while back? the one that said amarr BS were fine? and i do believe there was a dev post that even said, if they were going to do EWAR for amarr, they'd be looking at a new hull (it was only one dev post when he was asked, but i recall it being made).

It has been mentioned several times to CCP about this Dev Blog. It seems however that in some design stage they decided to screw over the Amarr, rather than actually leaving us alone. Oh and handy they snuck these changes inbetween CSM's ;)


I better get writing a letter.

lets not even get into shield vs armor. shield means faster ships and more damage due to being able to use both mids and lows. the higher sig of shield is not enough to counter this so armor once again is left behind. ccp really needs to increase the sig radius of the shield mods to balance this out

CCP Rise tries to explain stuff there. click

I'm not fully understanding here. For instance, the claim of bringing homogenization to a race with 3 laser BS's. Seems like anything would be less homogenized, and that those who are against it are more against it due to lore related attachment rather than homogenization. Homogenization would also give rise to the idea of the ships being functionally interchangeable. This doesn't seem to be the case with the apoc being focused on versatile range combat, helped on the near side by tracking and the far side by range, the baddon being tank focused while retaining it's damage capabilities (granted nerfed due to the resist, but I'm not even going to address that here, point being it's still 20% resist buffed), and the geddon, which adds an option to the amarr BS line which has never existed, feelings on the choice of hull to convert aside.

Your shield tanking issue is also well known and isn't a factor of Amarr ships, it's the failings of armor tanking. This issue is shared with the Gallente (and a number of Minmatar hull with a good number of lows).

And finally we have the issue of power creep keeping us from simply continuing to buff. The need to maintain competitiveness throughout all classes and levels means a buff to address one out of line element means buffing all other elements which interact with it. You create large amount of work and high risk of creating new imbalances which you must again create new mass buffs to correct to avoid nerfs. Yet we have aspects of ships that were buffed. The geddon can't really be compared with its current iteration, and the baddon simply loses the blanket 1% resist, but the apoc received the kind of tradeoff treatment you say you desire. Trading a bonus for cap and a new bonus, HP for speed/agility and gaining fitting.

Edit: That isn't to say there aren't issues with fitting and cap particularly related to weapons and other considerations, but these seem like untargeted complaints that don't hold up against objective analysis.

Did he said anything other than "new exciting roles fo each ship" bullshit? Anyone have transcript?

Did he said anything other than "new exciting roles fo each ship" bullshit? Anyone have transcript?

Well, been nervous in that kind of situation its understable, I think.

I'm pretty much out of math for now on the whole Amarr debacle...

They did design new Apoc with drone boxycles under its belly. click

Well, been nervous in that kind of situation its understable, I think.

K++bler-Ross model
1. Denial.
2. Anger.
3. Bargaining.
4. Depression.
5. Acceptance. <----- You are here.

Stop that nonsense! Get back on your horse soldier, THAT IS AN ORDER!

The fat lady is still busy stuffing her face and is in no shape to sing anytime soon so keep it up.

Tracking bonus \= Damage or ROF bonus

Anyone who knows how damage is applied knows that. Woop-to-do! I can hit them when they fly faster. However I still can't hit them for anything. This is such an improvement! *sarcasm*

The Apocalypse is a SNIPING boat not a close in brawler. The reason it is used that way is the draconian and broken state of beam lasers. If you can't see that I 'request' that the devs have to play Amarr, and use fits we come up with. Then we get to shoot them and demonstrate to them first-hand how crappy they are. After a few weeks I am sure they will be singing a new tone. All in favor?

Since CCP-Rise seems to be so set on ignoring our feedback and dislike for the NEW Armageddon: we need to plan how to 'convince' him. I think that if we don't fly it that would go a long way. Secondly, we need to come up with a strategy to "shaft" those ships regularly. That way, he will have to see the 'metrics' and agree with us. Thoughts?

Since the new watch word is "Damage Projection", I have a perfect solution for you. MISSILES! Best damage projection in the game over their effective range. So buff missiles to a new level of OP stupidity. Now that of course would logically not go over well with the Amarr, Gallente and some Minmatar pilots. But hey, you are already shafting the Amarr pilots. The Gallente are getting what they whine for. Now it is a time for Caldari and Minmatar missile boats to be AWESOME! (Sarcasm implied)

The goal of balancing is that the ships of an equal potential to use the best system for that hull. Amarr ships have been unable to compete in long-range fights due to issues with beam lasers. Gallente have their cake and can eat it too. Caldari are shafted, just like Amarr. And Minmatar..oops...mean WINMATAR, are once again getting and eating their cake.

So now i ask you what in God's name is your childish problem with Amarr and Caldari?! Do those two races the same care that you keep giving those whiny bratty Gallente and Winmatar. Otherwise, you aren't balancing and you would then be a bunch of liars.

I call bs on your whining about the gallente Bses, if you haven't noticed the vast majority of us don't want the dominix to lose it's hybrid bonus, we've been against the mega losing it's drone bay, and as for fitting, just try to fit a decent tank on a Hyperion with 425s without using a rig/mod to increase pg.

Sarcasm was implied throughout that second half of the post... I am well aware that you guys don't like the change to the Domi, Mega or Hyperion. Neither do I. However, I am correct to point out that Gallente ships are not getting shafted nearly as bad as Caldari or Amarr in this expansion.

I think that you can't disagree with that.

As to whom to convince, that would probably mean CCP in general. Unless someone knows someone to spill the beans and let everyone know whom the culprit is.

Sarcasm was implied throughout that second half of the post... I am well aware that you guys don't like the change to the Domi, Mega or Hyperion. Neither do I. However, I am correct to point out that Gallente ships are not getting shafted nearly as bad as Caldari or Amarr in this expansion.

I think that you can't disagree with that.

As to whom to convince, that would probably mean CCP in general. Unless someone knows someone to spill the beans and let everyone know whom the culprit is.

I get the strong sense you do not understand what the word 'homogenization' means. Nor do you seem to have a firm grasp of why it's a problem.

How are the Caldari getting shafted? It seems like the raven is getting a significant buff, although through missiles, and the Rokh is just suffering from the 'passive resist plague' like 44 other ships. I'm not a caldari buff, so I don't know.

Sorry, I guess I can't always recognize internet sarcasm completely, but since I cross trained I feel the impact of the scorpion and raven changes they're still not as good as the new Mega(and **** compared to the old one). Unfortunately even though we're not losing as much we still feel the nerf.