Its imposible to reason with this people they live in a world where you can eliminate a 50% cap bonus and solve it with a 10% reduction in cap use, also a world where a cap warfare ship that can-¦t fit 7 x meta 4 large neut + 2 meta 4 large cap booster + some (again) meta 4 buffer tank without 2 fitting modules its "a fun one" ship to fly, but its ok , because:

Its imposible to reason with this people they live in a world where you can eliminate a 50% cap bonus and solve it with a 10% reduction in cap use, also a world where a cap warfare ship that can-¦t fit 7 x meta 4 large neut + 2 meta 4 large cap booster + some (again) meta 4 buffer tank without 2 fitting modules its "a fun one" ship to fly, but its ok , because:

Does the Guardian fit a full rack large reps, plate, prop., etc without fitting mods? No ship except for the few remaining broken ones, are (or should be) able to max performance without sacrifice in the form of fitting mods.

The whole idea, one that Amarr has in general lived with for years, is that to squeeze those last delicious drops out of the lemon one has to accept hand cramps .. the only problem in that respect is that there are some hulls (predominantly Minmatar) that require too little in the way of sacrifice to max performance, those are the ones you should be howling at.

we dont want abaddon to be a nightmare but i do get your point and i would recomand to ccp to do this ...7-4-8 combo with 6 guns 1 utility 10% bonus to dmg 4% to resist remove 1% resist / lvl add 1 more low slot improve its dmg ...if not hyperion will take a **** on it not to mention that when fighting vs armored tanked ships em is the highest resist ..so dps is already killed

new Geddon, ... does fit the niche amarr designs.

And with the Abaddon obviously going up from a Maller, if we HAVE to have a drone boat, that leaves the Apoc.

What's wrong with simply putting amarr down and trying out other races? It's what I'm doing now (just bought two caldari ships, and will be training for minmatar to try them as well).

Vote with your choices. Don't wed yourself to amarr, even if you thought they were the coolest. I was born amarr too, but if the devs are hell-bent on punishing them, I'm not a sucker for punishment.

Vote with your feet. Leave amarr in droves. That way the devs can either accept a 3 race game, or do something about it. I think that would be far more effective than trying to reason with these people.

I'd rather just stop playing (again, this time for a reason, and unlikely to come back), than see myself chewing this synthetic fecalias and keep a happy face.

[quote=Tonto Auri]There's a rule that you don't do if you want your argument to be taken seriously. Don't threaten to quit.

OP only received 20 "likes"

He must be grateful because there isn't a dislike button.

On a more serius note if he doesn-¦t care about 98 pages of feedback why is he going to care about the "likes"

Is there a chance to get amarr Skill points resetted ?
Could need Winmatar BS V and projectile instead of lazors after these changes

I'd rather just stop playing (again, this time for a reason, and unlikely to come back), than see myself chewing this synthetic fecalias and keep a happy face.

A warning note to CCP, who I hope will catch this:

IF you are considering adding a new Battleship hull in the next two years, do NOT take such drastic changes with the Armageddon. I know you've got the Geddon in art right now and it's getting launchers, but let me say that you can avoid alot of this fan reaction by letting us know that our diversity is coming somewhere down the road.

If you could poll us, I have a sincere feeling that the numbers of those who can wait to get such an awesome drone boat are higher than those who feel it needs to arrive in June. Just polish off the Geddon with some basic crap and promise a balance pass later, and leave the world shaking for the future.

Please.

I think its the best thing for the race line overall... [...]... It makes sense for Amarr to have a battleship variation that rewards players who've trained for dragoon -> arbitrator -> prophecy, and with the neut range bonus, the Armageddon should be a huge payoff.

The thing that doesn't make sense to me is why a race would build a class of ships that couldn't sustain themselves.
The fiction makes it sound like Amarr have better energy technology than the other races. IE they didn't bother making lasers more efficient since their power generation and capacity was better than the others.

I don't understand why this is such a big argument with the devs. These ships are unsustainable with their guns alone. These weapon systems have been like this since before the introduction of ship rigging. The only change from then is that we now can atleast put recharger rigs on the ship to help with the cap issues.

The Amarr philosophy is brick with guns. Amarr isn't highly mobile. They don't have alot of ECM/ECCM.
They never were supposed to have much variation in damage type. So instead of having any clear advantage for all the disadvantages Amarr has. We get penalized for even attempting to use our weaponry.

IMO the devs don't really want to make the races too disparate. They want them to be homogenized since it's easier to balance them that way. I'm not sure what sacred cow they are protecting about not balancing Amarr ships or weapons.

It's pretty obvious that something is significantly wrong with the Amarr ships and their weapons.
Sticking a bandaid over the obvious problems aren't going to make them go away. They didn't fix anything 5 years ago when you decided that base 60% armor resist was too much for lasers to deal with and nothing has changed since then for lasers.

TLDR: The devs either need to put up or shut up. Show use the data that says lasers will be so severely overpowered if we can actually use them like other races can use their weapons.

What's wrong with simply putting amarr down and trying out other races? It's what I'm doing now (just bought two caldari ships, and will be training for minmatar to try them as well).

Vote with your choices. Don't wed yourself to amarr, even if you thought they were the coolest. I was born amarr too, but if the devs are hell-bent on punishing them, I'm not a sucker for punishment.

Vote with your feet. Leave amarr in droves. That way the devs can either accept a 3 race game, or do something about it. I think that would be far more effective than trying to reason with these people.

To anyone who is very sad to see the old Armageddon go, I encourage to you consider that if left the same, it would have been even more crowded by the Abaddon as a result of the price adjustment than it already was. Again, we look forward to your feedback.

Dont know where you get your numbers. Because all market sites i checked show that in last 180 days there have been on average 56% more sales of Armageddon hull compared to the Abbadon, not the other way around. Now i dont doubt that you guys at CCP have more accurate data and i would really like to some some hard numbers from you ppl proving the statement that Armageddon hull is not used.

I want my 8 low slots&utility high Amarr gunship back.

The situation its even more infuriating because CCP Rise has been until almost yesterday a player, so he knows what feels a player when devs take decisions without consulting/attending players feedback that affect the ships you use everyday and you have trained for a long period.

And yet...