im pretty sure the torp raven does more dps than a mega in this new form even if the mega has 5 heavy drones.

that issue aside, these changes are way better than the first round, even if you nerf the bandwidth of the mega let it keep its bay size.

What if, for the Hyperion, instead of having a bonus to armor repair amount per level, it had a reduction in armor repair cap use per level?

It would be nice to see other options, and several have been brought up by players, I can't say that I like this Dominix any better than current or better than the Armageddon.

CCP, as said many times in this thread already, the active tanking bonus on the Hyperion ensures that it will never be used in fleet engagements because it will pop after the first enemy volley.

You state that you don't want to give up on active armor tanking and that's fine on smaller ships, but active tanking only works in solo and small group PvP engagements. Generally speaking however most people simply don't do small group or solo PvP in battleships, especially armor battleships as they're too slow and cumbersome, so this means that the active armor tanked Hyp is really only ever gonna get used in PvE.

To give it a meaningful PvP role the local rep bonus either needs to be replaced with Local AND Remote Rep or better yet simply do away with it, raise the armor HP and instead give it some help getting into range of its targets like a 10% bonus to AB and MWD speed or a 20% range bonus to stasis webifiers or warp scramblers per level. In doing so you'll solve many of the blaster boats problems and might make the Hyperion a decent choice for fleet PvP.

The new Domi is inferior to the current one. If there were replacement mods for the mids that the OTL use to occupy then the ship might have some merrit. Right now you have a bonus that really adds nothing for close range and could be useful for sniper fits if it also had a control range bonus.

Get out!

The tracking buff helps ogres hit cruisers, but it still cannot catch them, dual DNC will help with that.
A Control range boost is a must, 25% is a absolute minimum 50% would be the perferd

it would not have to be instead it would have to be added to...

this is how i would make the bonus look like

7.5% to armor repair repair amount, increase in heat amount bonus and reduction in cap activation per level.

that makes the armor rep 37.5% better reduce the cap activation cost of a large armor rep II to 250 and with heat turned on will increase rep amount by 13.75% and reduce activation time by 15%

lets do a mock up:

a hyperion with a laar and a larII with a dcu II a reactive armor hardener and two energy adaptive II with two aux rigs and one nano rig with a off grid legion and the implants =

with 1962 dps tank from the AAR and 1162 dps from the lar II

so thats 3124 dps tank from a costly but awe inspiring hyperion...

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if they did that to the rep bonus the bonus would be actually useful!

As for the Hyperion, I've often wished that a blaster boat could have a bonus to MWD in the form of cap use reduction and sig bloom reduction. The greatest problem with blaster boats is always getting into range for the purpose of actually firing their awesomely high DPS, ridiculously short range weapons. Reduce their damage bonus to 5%, substitute a sig bloom bonus of -50%. Or perhaps give it a bonus to afterburner speed.

This is somewhat justified on double-damage bonused hulls, but not on purely drone-oriented ships. Dominix could now well have it's missing slot back.

Another way to fix this would be to extend drone bonus to all drone effects, to actually make the mythical "drone utility" a reality. Halve ECM drone base strength while you are at it. This would also differentiate the Domi and Geddon, one would be a true drone boat, other a nasty ghetto Bhaal.

Also, I see no reason to not extend the native drone control range of Domi now to better suit it's sentry drone role.

Also, broken.

elaborate...

The reason the rep bonus is considered bad is not its stats. It is positively great for active tanking.

The reason is that its analogue (resist bonus) benefits both active and buffer tanks. The active tank bonus should be replaced by something that does the same - not buffed to the point that it is frankly absurd for active tanks.

yeah thats already understood...

the easy way to fix it is to allow the bonus to extend to RR...

but ccp said no way jose... which made me a sad sad panda...

so... if not making it a bonus that scales to fleets i would prefer to make the bonus sick for solo-small scale pvp like 15 ships and less...

and i used an extream high setup just to show the potential...

of grid boosting will be nerfed at some point so good by legion

plus the implants are stupid expensive and even with that it only lasts 3 min due to heat damage but it can still be shut off by nuets...

For the Megathron though, it's really sad ; people really don't have any clue about what we could have had. Such blindness puzzle me.

The *current* Hyperion can already tank more than what an Oneiros will make a *current* Abaddon tank.

People see logi ships as OP or at least as formidable force multipliers, yet a armor rep bonus allow the Hyperion to have an integrated personal logi with far more survivability than the logi ship in question. In small gang, this bonus is invaluable, but as logi rep amount don't show on eft, people don't have anything to compare to I guess, and as the bonus is hard to make working and still vulnerable to neutralizers, HATE...

Of course, that bonus don't scale up really well, but I think the Hyperion now have enough to make for this (10% damage bonus, utility high, 7th low slot...) It's sad it had to lose the 8 guns for this, but nevermind.

For the Megathron though, it's really sad ; people really don't have any clue about what we could have had. Such blindness puzzle me.

Dude, we just got fleet megathrons. No idea what you're complaining about.

I'm not complaining, but we did have a fleet ship with the Hyperion in the first iteration, and it was better because of more effective turrets, more alpha and more tank. But because there was a "armor rep bonus" on it, people just discarded it for fleet job as if this was the worse aberration in the universe. But fine : people wanted the Megathron to be an amarrian fleet ship, we got it. I only think it's sad considering we are talking about gallente ships in this thread.

What's funny is that the Dominix have the same problem : people seem to prefer their drone ship as an amarr one, but they want it to be gallente and green.

It's not an "Amarrian fleet ship" when Caldari and Minmatar do it better than the Amarr.
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hmm what if large beams were not ****?

would this still be true?

This iteration of the Hyperion does fine as a fleet ship.