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Serith Ellecon
Internet Spaceships Initiates Tribal Band
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:33:00 -
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Quote:Hyperion:
Here's the new and improved Hyperion. Based off of your feedback, this new version goes from 8 turrets to 6, while doubling its damage bonus from 5% per level to 10%. It also gains a larger drone bandwidth and bay, a utility high, and keeps its much-needed mid slot.
If anything, I'm worried this is too strong, but it should be an extremely fun ship to use. Hope you guys approve. From 10 effective turrets (8+25%) to 9 (6+50%) is not a major change, and everything else looks very positive. And the utility high can be used for a launcher in max dps setups, a neut, nos, or other fun things to aid the dedicated brawler role. I may have to buy one of these now :)
Quote:Megathron:
With the Hyperion moving to more of a combat/utility ship via its drones, heavy mid-slot allocation, and spare high, we felt the mega could now afford to move towards a completely dedicated gun boat. Instead of the former 8/5/6 utility focused set up, we now have a 7/4/8 hybrid damage machine that has sacrificed its utility high (which was often unused) to gain another low - giving it more access to damage, damage application/projection, or tank. It stays in its attack role and therefor retains the previously described increases to speed and agility. This design should also fit the 'flavor' that the Megathron has spent a decade building much more accurately.
Yes. Yes. Oh god yes! Despite being someone who almost always used the utility high (usually for a drone link augmenter ) I find these changes entirely positive. Inappropriate signature added.-á CCP Notarealdev. |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
457
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:33:00 -
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Roime wrote:Hannott Thanos wrote:Tonto Auri wrote:CCP Rise wrote:After the first wave of feedback, we are already talking about ways to make this line look a little stronger. We tend to agree that there's room for some more strength, especially in the case of the Hyperion. We'll keep you updated. Aren't Dominix missing a slot? All other ships have 19, while Dominix only have 18. By design. Drone ships have 1 less slot. This is somewhat justified on double-damage bonused hulls, but not on purely drone-oriented ships. Dominix could now well have it's missing slot back. Another way to fix this would be to extend drone bonus to all drone effects, to actually make the mythical "drone utility" a reality. Halve ECM drone base strength while you are at it. This would also differentiate the Domi and Geddon, one would be a true drone boat, other a nasty ghetto Bhaal. Also, I see no reason to not extend the native drone control range of Domi now to better suit it's sentry drone role. Pretty much. Add one of those changes to the domi and we're done. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
362
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:34:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote: Look at its base armor before commenting that it will be the best armor buffer. It has the option of a solid tank or extreme gank now.
Extreme gank is way too extreme as Megathron already annihilate anything within range. People will always find ways to abuse dps in a way that doesn't make the game any better. And trust me you can get a sweet tank out of the Mega with 8 lowslots and still hurt people with ease... |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3048
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:35:00 -
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I'm toying with the new Mega atm - the ship is still extremely CPU starved, but the new layout is incredible. If only it could take full advantage of all its slots. CPU rigs hurt to fit. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
274
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:40:00 -
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Pinky Denmark wrote:Extreme gank is way too extreme as Megathron already annihilate anything within range. People will always find ways to abuse dps in a way that doesn't make the game any better. And trust me you can get a sweet tank out of the Mega with 8 lowslots and still hurt people with ease... People don't seem to understank nor see that Blasters + dmg bonus + 1 MFS = the mightest weapon in the galaxy. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5894
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:40:00 -
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Pinky Denmark wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote: Look at its base armor before commenting that it will be the best armor buffer. It has the option of a solid tank or extreme gank now.
Extreme gank is way too extreme as Megathron already annihilate anything within range. People will always find ways to abuse dps in a way that doesn't make the game any better. And trust me you can get a sweet tank out of the Mega with 8 lowslots and still hurt people with ease...
Most of the time a mega is shooting null. Its not often you get a fight that takes place in perfect void range agaist targets you can hit for full effect.
Extreme gank requires extreme close range and nobody out there will let you get close to them or stay still if they can help it. |
Askulf Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:40:00 -
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Tonto Auri wrote:CCP Rise wrote:After the first wave of feedback, we are already talking about ways to make this line look a little stronger. We tend to agree that there's room for some more strength, especially in the case of the Hyperion. We'll keep you updated. Aren't Dominix missing a slot? All other ships have 19, while Dominix only have 18.
Drone ships bro, Drone ships. -1 slot for drone ships has been the model of balance for an extremely long time. While there are some exceptions atm, expect those exceptions to disappear in the near future.
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Maximille Biagge
The Eidolon Foundation
76
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:40:00 -
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CCP Rise delivers! |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2483
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:41:00 -
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And plated Hype has a lot thicker buffer than Mega.
I think LAAR+plate+active rigs will be the ideal way to tank this version of the Mega, it is rather fast (1775m/s, 11s non-MWD align) and probably has enough buffer to last for 8 rep cycles. Especially with T2 LAAR, to be introduced in winter expansion 2024. Standard Exile, heat and a fleetmate in a BC with Passive Defense II gives it 911 hp/s reps per second, resulting in 59K EHP without speed penalty.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
836
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:41:00 -
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Maximille Biagge wrote:CCP Rise delivers! Was it Pizza? The Gallente community seems to still be divided. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
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Johnny Aideron
Noir. Academy Noir. Mercenary Group
31
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:43:00 -
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Why not make the Megathron into a combat BS and the Hyperion an attack BS?
Consider: *The Megathron with a utility high, good dronebay (beautifully modeled on the hull I might add), more capacitor, more fittings and more ehp plus double rate of fire and tracking gun bonuses (no wasted hull bonus in gangs with RR) would make a good combat battleship even with only 7 lows and would be more in keeping with the classic ship role.
While the Hyperion uses active reps so it's doesn't need as much raw hp, plus it uses active tanking rigs rather than trimarks which suits an attack battleship better due to the higher overall speed. It's 8 turrets and 8/5/6 layout allows it to both do a mean active armour tank and a shield dps gankboat. Active tanking is more suitable for small gangs and solo where the increased agility of an attack designation would be appreciated.
I don't think these current changes are that bad in regards to gameplay, but they are aesthetically unsatisfying. We'll have a Megathron with an impressive looking dronebay that has barely has any drones, and an awkward looking Hyperion with 6 turrets and 8 mounts.
You changed the Vexor and the Thorax roles around once already, consider doing the same here.
Another question: What does a turret fitted armour dominix do with six mid slots given that it doesn't really need any omnidirectional tracking links? Why not give the Dominix a different second bonus (rather than tracking & optimal) and just let players fit omnis if they want that? |
Zu'ferna
Astral Horizons Rock Paper Lasers
2
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:44:00 -
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While I love the Dominix changes and want the bonus to stay, I have one thing to say... Armageddon is the new Dominix. You took one of the Dominix's primary uses, and gave the bonus to the Armageddon. Ugh.
Don't fly the Mega or Hyperion so no input on them other than something needs to be done to the Hyperion. I think I've only ever seen two in space. |
Akturous
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
100
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:48:00 -
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God damn it, why did you put the megas utility high to a low slot? Please put it on the mids, please please please. It doesn't need more lows, it needs another mid. The problem with the previous changes was taking away the low for a mid. Taking the high and putting it on the mid would be much better.
Hype change is finally good, it'll still diaf to tier 3 bc's x 3, but at least it'll do it in style. Vote Item Heck One for CSM8 |
Blanche Lee
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:53:00 -
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I think previous Megathron is good, attack and defense, and so on conform to the characteristics of gallente, also not especially well in the actual performance and the bad. So there is no changes necessary.
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Demica Diaz
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:53:00 -
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Lovely changes, going to train into Hyperion after Proteus is maxed out in every corner. |
Shpenat
Pafos Technologies
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:55:00 -
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Johnny Aideron wrote:Why not make the Megathron into a combat BS and the Hyperion an attack BS?
Consider: *The Megathron with a utility high, good dronebay (beautifully modeled on the hull I might add), more capacitor, more fittings and more ehp plus double rate of fire and tracking gun bonuses (no wasted hull bonus in gangs with RR) would make a good combat battleship even with only 7 lows and would be more in keeping with the classic ship role.
While the Hyperion uses active reps so it's doesn't need as much raw hp, plus it uses active tanking rigs rather than trimarks which suits an attack battleship better due to the higher overall speed. It's 8 turrets and 8/5/6 layout allows it to both do a mean active armour tank and a shield dps gankboat. Active tanking is more suitable for small gangs and solo where the increased agility of an attack designation would be appreciated.
I don't think these current changes are that bad in terms oif gameplay, but they are aesthetically unsatisfying. We'll have a Megathron with an impressive looking dronebay that has barely has any drones, and an awkward looking Hyperion with 6 turrets and 8 mounts.
You changed the Vexor and the Thorax roles around once already, consider doing the same here.
Another question: What does a turret fitted armour dominix do with six mid slots given that it doesn't really need any omnidirectional tracking links? Why not give the Dominix a different second bonus to tracking & optimal and just let players fit omnis if they want that?
tank bonus = combat variant. tracking = attack variant.
hyperion cant be attack battleship with tanking bonus |
Tennessee Jack
Blac-x
37
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:56:00 -
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CCP, you may want to lock this thread, and Start a new one with the new changes.
You have 59 pages of people saying "God wtf Gallente BS's are dead".
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
57
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:56:00 -
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Hannott Thanos wrote:Tonto Auri wrote:CCP Rise wrote:After the first wave of feedback, we are already talking about ways to make this line look a little stronger. We tend to agree that there's room for some more strength, especially in the case of the Hyperion. We'll keep you updated. Aren't Dominix missing a slot? All other ships have 19, while Dominix only have 18. By design. Drone ships have 1 less slot. Then make it 5/5/8 for god's blessing. Or 5/6/7, if you want more utility, than tank or damage. |
JamesCLK
302
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:57:00 -
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I want that Mega in so many ways right now... Malcanis, Mynnna and Ripard Teg for CSM 8! |
Johnny Aideron
Noir. Academy Noir. Mercenary Group
31
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Posted - 2013.04.10 11:58:00 -
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Shpenat wrote:
hyperion cant be attack battleship with tanking bonus
But it's only a tank bonus if you actually use an active tank with it. You might use it as a fast shield gankboat, or a small gang/solo fast battleship with the active tank in place of RR, which seem to suit an attack role. If used in a larger fleet it will simply be fitted with a passive tank and recieve remote reps so it won't, in that context, have a tank bonus at all. |
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Mariner6
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
142
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Posted - 2013.04.10 12:03:00 -
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Well this all looks fairly interesting and certainly appreciate CCP addressing the concerns laid out. Overall these look fairly solid though we'll have to see how it all works out once they come out on Sisi.
1) Hyperion looks much better. While pound for pound it may be a bit stronger compared to other BS's, I think its ok due to the way its used in small gangs and its lack of mobility make this a fine trade off. How often you ever see a BS 1 v 1 anyways? So overall I look forward to using it. At the end of the day when its active tanked its dps is rather weak and having to use small guns makes it still very niche. The shield tanked version may be a bit of an issue, but those die pretty quick anyways with that paper tank.
2) The Mega. Wow, 8 bottom slots. Interesting. Though I'm not sure how it will pan out but I suspect its not going to be as uber as people think due to fitting space but I haven't worked it out yet so I could be wrong. For those complaining about the bump to the Mega's speed and making it too fast, especially in comparison to the Mael, this fit obviously plays to buffer armor and once you throw those 3 tri-marks and plates on its still a slow cow. And its DPS projection is still weak made worse with the drone reduction. I'll reserve judgement until I can start playing with all the fittings but I think the APOC will be the boat of choice. Insane range and Mega tracking with Scorch. The tracking is what really made the Mega sweet. APOC is now just OMG awesome. By the way it cracks me up when people use void as the ammo to talk DPS. At least when you do please note range and tracking speed of your guns when you do so. A boat can have a million DPS in this game and it doesn't matter a whiff if it cannot apply it effectively.
3) Domi... very torn. I mean the whole RR Domi thing can be fun and with sentries it will be cool, but if your going to spend the isk, why not just alpha stuff in Mael's? They are all going to cost the same and once you put all those ridiculously expensive sentries into a Domi it will probably be the most expensive overall to fit (just guessing.) and none of the draw backs. I guess for killing structures this will be a good boat? Seems more PVE really oriented really. meh. |
Askulf Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.04.10 12:05:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:I'm toying with the new Mega atm - the ship is still extremely CPU starved, but the new layout is incredible. If only it could take full advantage of all its slots. CPU rigs hurt to fit.
Stop being bad and fit c-type adaptives |
Kenrailae
Starwinders SCUM.
8
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Posted - 2013.04.10 12:07:00 -
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ZOMG That Megathron is the sexiest thing I've ever seen in eve ever! TY TY TY TY TY! :D |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
836
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Posted - 2013.04.10 12:07:00 -
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Askulf Joringer wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:I'm toying with the new Mega atm - the ship is still extremely CPU starved, but the new layout is incredible. If only it could take full advantage of all its slots. CPU rigs hurt to fit. Stop being bad and fit c-type adaptives Don't balance a ship around dead space, faction and officer mods. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
Askulf Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.04.10 12:08:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Askulf Joringer wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:I'm toying with the new Mega atm - the ship is still extremely CPU starved, but the new layout is incredible. If only it could take full advantage of all its slots. CPU rigs hurt to fit. Stop being bad and fit c-type adaptives Don't balance a ship around dead space, faction and officer mods.
Yeah, lets not balance a ship around available content... With this argument, we may as well balance everything with t1.
If you're having cpu issues, just like the mega and geddon have had in the past, go and fit a c-type adaptive instead of a t2 eanm. It pretty much solves the problem. If you're afraid of risking a "cheap" dead space module then go ahead and fit a co-proc. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
836
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Posted - 2013.04.10 12:10:00 -
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Askulf Joringer wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Askulf Joringer wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:I'm toying with the new Mega atm - the ship is still extremely CPU starved, but the new layout is incredible. If only it could take full advantage of all its slots. CPU rigs hurt to fit. Stop being bad and fit c-type adaptives Don't balance a ship around dead space, faction and officer mods. Yeah, lets not balance a ship around available content... With this argument, we may as well balance every with t1. If you balance the ship around dead space, faction and officer mods then the ship has to use them to be effective, and that sets an unacceptable barrier for vets vs. noobs. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
JamesCLK
302
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Posted - 2013.04.10 12:11:00 -
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Something just occurred to me... Would a mass reduction role bonus for Attack Battleships be out of place? Malcanis, Mynnna and Ripard Teg for CSM 8! |
Askulf Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.04.10 12:13:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Askulf Joringer wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Askulf Joringer wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:I'm toying with the new Mega atm - the ship is still extremely CPU starved, but the new layout is incredible. If only it could take full advantage of all its slots. CPU rigs hurt to fit. Stop being bad and fit c-type adaptives Don't balance a ship around dead space, faction and officer mods. Yeah, lets not balance a ship around available content... With this argument, we may as well balance every with t1. If you balance the ship around dead space, faction and officer mods then the ship has to use them to be effective, and that sets an unacceptable barrier for vets vs. noobs.
except that isk has nothing to do with being a vet or noob and a c-type dead space adaptive takes less SP to use than a t2 eanm. c-type adaptive has been a stable cpu saving module since like forever.
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David Kir
Pixel Navigators Hostile Work Environment.
10
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Posted - 2013.04.10 12:13:00 -
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Askulf Joringer wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Askulf Joringer wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:I'm toying with the new Mega atm - the ship is still extremely CPU starved, but the new layout is incredible. If only it could take full advantage of all its slots. CPU rigs hurt to fit. Stop being bad and fit c-type adaptives Don't balance a ship around dead space, faction and officer mods. Yeah, lets not balance a ship around available content... With this argument, we may as well balance every with t1.
Exactly! I want my Guristas Shuttle balanced around the Rattlesnake! Oh, true, and my Rifter balanced with the Moros!
Oh come on, fitting C-types should not be a prerequisite to being able to properly fit a ship.
Deadspace/faction/officer modules are the icing on the cake, not the wheat it's made with... |
wallenbergaren
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2013.04.10 12:14:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Askulf Joringer wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Askulf Joringer wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:I'm toying with the new Mega atm - the ship is still extremely CPU starved, but the new layout is incredible. If only it could take full advantage of all its slots. CPU rigs hurt to fit. Stop being bad and fit c-type adaptives Don't balance a ship around dead space, faction and officer mods. Yeah, lets not balance a ship around available content... With this argument, we may as well balance every with t1. If you balance the ship around dead space, faction and officer mods then the ship has to use them to be effective, and that sets an unacceptable barrier for vets vs. noobs.
Well then use a T2 ANP, christ |
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