New versions of Hyperion and Megathron posted in the OP - let me know what you guys think.

New versions of Hyperion and Megathron posted in the OP - let me know what you guys think.

Unlike the Maelstrom the Hyperion needs to sacrifice dps for more tank.
The maelstrom have also got the huge advantage of being able to dual XL Anci reppers on it, and the 1400mm artys... The Maelstroms got a purpose in fleets, because it can fill out different roles. The Hyperion is just a brawler, with short range blasters, i can't see how it could use the armor rep bonus unless you go solo

Or you run missions in your hyper like I do. The armor rep bonus helps there. Dont just think of the PVP implications of all the ships, there are a lot of people who will only ever use these ships to run level 4 missions

The Hyperion looks nice, but in my opinion that 5th medslot, 7th lowslot and suddenly spare utility slot way outweighs the damage loss and the Hyperion does NOT need 5 heavy drones. 75-100mbit should be more than plenty.

I really liked your first iteration much better and I honestly doesn't see why having only 4 medslots on an armor tanker is so horrible? Yes, I get it, the ship need 2 cap boosters, a MWD and targets preferrably webbed and scrambled - But isn't battleships supposed to have support ships? Anyway as long the Hyperion gets the 7th lowslot and doesn't get to outperform the other races I like the change. Just be carefull not taking the Gallente whines too seriously or you will end up with 2-3 obsolete races and Gallente won't be one of them...

The Megathron - 8 lowslots? You lost me right here... I already lost faith in you from seing the suggested attack battlecruiser changes but if this thing goes live you are not only breaking the Amarr ship trait of having the best armor tankers with the most lowslots but you are also breaking the game in favor of Gallente. The Megathron is already slaughtering people left and right in it's current form. Please make the Megathron back to 8/4/7 with 7 guns or 7/5/7 also with 7 guns.

You do realize that whenever you give a ship less turrets and tweak the damage bonus to compensate you have suddenly created enough slots to severely obsolete the battleships from other races, right? I am very concerned with the Gallente balance against the other 3 races. I liked your first itereation much, much better and this looks like panic control to avoid drama.

That Megathron is an abomination for game balance!!

Or you run missions in your hyper like I do. The armor rep bonus helps there. Dont just think of the PVP implications of all the ships, there are a lot of people who will only ever use these ships to run level 4 missions

The Megathron - 8 lowslots? You lost me right here... I already lost faith in you from seing the suggested attack battlecruiser changes but if this thing goes live you are not only breaking the Amarr ship trait of having the best armor tankers with the most lowslots but you are also breaking the game in favor of Gallente. The Megathron is already slaughtering people left and right in it's current form. Please make the Megathron back to 8/4/7 with 7 guns or 7/5/7 also with 7 guns.

You do realize that whenever you give a ship less turrets and tweak the damage bonus to compensate you have suddenly created enough slots to severely obsolete the battleships from other races, right? I am very concerned with the Gallente balance against the other 3 races. I liked your first itereation much, much better and this looks like panic control to avoid drama.

That Megathron is an abomination for game balance!!

The Hyperion looks nice, but in my opinion that 5th medslot, 7th lowslot and suddenly spare utility slot way outweighs the damage loss and the Hyperion does NOT need 5 heavy drones. 75-100mbit should be more than plenty.

I really liked your first iteration much better and I honestly doesn't see why having only 4 medslots on an armor tanker is so horrible? Yes, I get it, the ship need 2 cap boosters, a MWD and targets preferrably webbed and scrambled - But isn't battleships supposed to have support ships? Anyway as long the Hyperion gets the 7th lowslot and doesn't get to outperform the other races I like the change. Just be carefull not taking the Gallente whines too seriously or you will end up with 2-3 obsolete races and Gallente won't be one of them...

The Megathron - 8 lowslots? You lost me right here... I already lost faith in you from seing the suggested attack battlecruiser changes but if this thing goes live you are not only breaking the Amarr ship trait of having the best armor tankers with the most lowslots but you are also breaking the game in favor of Gallente. The Megathron is already slaughtering people left and right in it's current form. Please make the Megathron back to 8/4/7 with 7 guns or 7/5/7 also with 7 guns.

You do realize that whenever you give a ship less turrets and tweak the damage bonus to compensate you have suddenly created enough slots to severely obsolete the battleships from other races, right? I am very concerned with the Gallente balance against the other 3 races. I liked your first itereation much, much better and this looks like panic control to avoid drama.

That Megathron is an abomination for game balance!!

After the first wave of feedback, we are already talking about ways to make this line look a little stronger. We tend to agree that there's room for some more strength, especially in the case of the Hyperion. We'll keep you updated.

As far as the dominix and its old unpredictability, I expect that to be completely preserved. It won't be capable of the highest damage numbers of any battleship now, but it can still fit blasters across the top and run mag stabs along with drone damage amps and heavy drones.

Or you run missions in your hyper like I do. The armor rep bonus helps there. Dont just think of the PVP implications of all the ships, there are a lot of people who will only ever use these ships to run level 4 missions

Aren't Dominix missing a slot? All other ships have 19, while Dominix only have 18.

Aren't Dominix missing a slot? All other ships have 19, while Dominix only have 18.

New versions of Hyperion and Megathron posted in the OP - let me know what you guys think.

The Dominix needs a role bonus of +100% increase to Drone Control Range, it seriously lacks control range for most sentries even without the use of Omnidirectional Tacking Units.

Aren't Dominix missing a slot? All other ships have 19, while Dominix only have 18.

The Megathron's never looked as distinctive as it does now. No longer competeting against the Talos or even Hyperion, it becomes the principle Gun Ship with the best slot layout for an armour sniper, with the agility and sensors to match.

Although plated armour and speed don't synergise well and I would have prefered the hyperion being the attack ship, this stops the megathron completely butting heads with BeamLand(tm).

Would never have expected the Art Dept to allow the hyperion lose turrets but I guess that's the best way to keep the most people happy.

Yeah they need to shuffle some things around. It makes more sense for the Hyperion to be fast and for the passive tanking ship (the mega) to have the larger buffer of the two.

Current mega with 7 neutrons 1 mag and 5 ogres is about 1050 dps

New mega with 7 neutrons 1 mag and 4 ogres is about 1030 dps

both with 2 mag stabs its about 5 dps different in favour of current mega

but it actually has 75 m3 drone now

so its 1050 current vs 990

and

1190 vs 1140

May be not +100%, +50% would probably cut it for most cases. I'm actively using sentries right now, and only Wardens have that far of the optimal to require control beyond 80km. But some buf to sensor range would also come in handy.
Say, +10% sensor range and +50% drone control range.

By design. Drone ships have 1 less slot.

Yeah they need to shuffle some things around. It makes more sense for the Hyperion to be fast and for the passive tanking ship (the mega) to have the larger buffer of the two.