I want to respond to a few of these points since they seem to be coming up a lot, though I'm not sure why.

First the tank - I showed you the armor tank that people are most likely to use, 2 plate, 2eanm, 1 dcu - this is the standard mega armor tank and its still completely viable. Now, you have the same tank, similar damage, but your ship goes faster and you have an extra mid. Seems like a fair trade.

And as far as the Talos. I would never expect this ship to compete with the Talos as a roaming kiter. That is not whats intended by "fast and agile". If you want to see some value from fast and agile, think about a situation where you have a new shiny armageddon tackled by your friend in a stiletto. The geddon is perma jammed by your friend in a blackbird. But! You have just jumped through the gate and are 35k away from the armageddon! Now, as you close in, the armageddon has 2 friends show up! An oneiros and a falcon. Now you have to make a run for the gate as fast as possible. This is just one example of where a BS's speed matters. If you are in a hyperion, you will struggle to get over there and apply damage in anywhere near the time-frame that this attack mega can. There's many other examples, but I just want to make the point that just because a ship can't kite as well as a Talos, that doesn't mean speed is not important.

As a final point for comparing BS vs Tier3 BC. Always consider the way they would perform vs each other. How does this new mega do in a 1v1 vs a Talos?

Can you do the scenario again with the ECM. I always wondered what it would be like...

Hyperion:

The Hyperion in a tight spot. We can acknowledge that for the moment active armor tanking is struggling to find a place. We know that many of you would be happier to have the Hyperion lose this bonus and pick up something more practical in today's Eve. However, we're committed to helping armor find its place, and so, to keep continuity with the rest of the Gallente line-up, the Hyp will keep its current bonuses.

It will be gaining a low slot (giving up a mid), hopefully making its purpose as a pure brawler more realistic.

loosing the mid will mean loosing a cap recharger and therefore upsetting my balance, the extra low wont help there.

Space potato becomes a fleet ship

Does anyone use BS in solo\small pvp roams?

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i dont understand how youre change would improve active tanking. i am flying a hype myself in lvl4's with 2 reppers on it and an AB. given thet the rest of my midslots are filled with cap rechargers and the rigs are t1 of the same bonusses, i can dual rep permantly or use a rep and a AB permantly for some range.

this is a basic t2 setup with no officer or other exotic mods on it

loosing the mid will mean loosing a cap recharger and therefore upsetting my balance, the extra low wont help there. perhaps better native cap recharge might help this ship a lott more? otherwise , i wll have to rethink my fit and go for better resists and spend the freed low slot on that. not what you had intended, was it?

I do.

And you could do the same with a dreadnaught.

Doesn't mean it is an optimal choice. Because it isn't.

BSes can be used in nearly any role, but only truly excel in fleet warfare and PvE.

Wrong. You just need to know how to use them.

And you could do the same with a dreadnaught.

Doesn't mean it is an optimal choice. Because it isn't.

BSes can be used in nearly any role, but only truly excel in fleet warfare and PvE.

You could do even more in a Talos in a small gang. Comparable DPS, significantly higher speed, and far more flexibility. Just because it is possible to use a Megathron in that role does not mean it is the ideal ship, let alone ideal blaster platform.

I know you love the ship and it has been your gimmick for ages. A lot of us love the ship. But its specialization is not shield tanked small gang roaming.

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Best post of the thread. I had no idea that the mega was in such a poor position. 40% less hp 30% less dmg than everything else.

That's because he's comparing tier 3 bs, TWO of which have resistance bonuses with a tier 2 bs that hasn't been balanced in a while.

Mega still won't compare EHP wise to a ship with a 5 slot armor tank with resistance bonus. 5 slot shield tank with resistance bonus. Mega will have 7 slots, 2 of which probably need 2 be damage mods.

Caldari got a tier 3 bs with a resistance bonus and an optimal bonus. Ideal. Amarr got resistance bonus and lasers. Minmatar got a ship with projectiles (which have artillery crazy alpha). Gallente got a ship with no range bonus and an active tank bonus.

Remember that thing called tiericide? I'm comparing the mega to tier 3s because that's what the ship should be equivalent to post odyssey. Instead it is being effectively gutted.

Also, please look at the Maelstrom's stats before pointing to the resist bonuses. Even Minmatar, characterized by fast, light ships, has a line dps BS. Gallente does not.

To me, the best solution for the Hyperion is also the simplest.
- First, give back the 5th mid slot
- Second, remove a high slot
- Third, allow it to field 5 heavy drones
- Reduce the base armor from 8000 (base) down to ~5500
- *maybe* increase tank bonus to 10%

This would result in a 7/5/7 + 125/125 situation, which would be ideal. The 7th low allows players to either regain that extra bit of armor now lost, OR field damage/resists/rep to take advantage of the ships bonuses. The difference between flying a Hyperion over a new Mega is that the Mega becomes the guerilla fighter, and the Hyperion remains the front-line brawler.