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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
219
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Posted - 2013.05.02 20:36:00 -
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Krell Kroenen wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote: And can be made into an excelent shield ship.
And there is the gist of it, the main agenda for the 6 mids slot push is to make an excellent shield ship nothing more or less. And while having the 6th midslot might allow for some colorful gimmicks on an armor tank none of them really shine. Even by your own use of the words good in comparison with the word excellent shows your own thoughts on the matter. I am sorry that the Maelstrom isn't the poor man's Mach that so many people want the Tempest to be. But the matar already have a shield tanking projectile battleship.
Better be excelent shield ship than a mediocre armor and shield one :P |

Hagika
LEGI0N
66
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Posted - 2013.05.02 21:47:00 -
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TheFace Asano wrote:Naomi Knight wrote:Wrayeth wrote:Naomi Knight wrote: do that whinematard you matar fanboys are full of .... , cant see what is balanced and what is so op after flying too many op matar ships qq more so ccp overboost tempest and you can enjoy winmatar online for another years to come
As someone who has level 5 skills in EVERY SINGLE SUBCAPITAL COMBAT SHIP OF EVERY RACE except tech 3 Gallente and Amarr, I can state that this post is full of *****. quess what your char skills doesnt make you perfect at balancing btw my main can fly every supcap yup every one of them at lvl5, so even according to your lame thining I can say that your post if full of ***** oh yeah tempest with 10%rof/lvl wouldnt be op at all ,lets see that would make it use 12 effective guns ,while apoc has 8 ,mega has 9.33 and raven has 8 launchers , oh but the tempest would be also faster smaller and tankier and could fit 1 utility highs you clearly cant gasp what is balanced and what isnt go hide my posts as it probably hurt your babyfeeling by saying that what you are asking for is wrong, I bet you angry against anybody who thinks else what you think do you realy think that wouldnt be op at all? whinematard go away , you are just another spoiled matar who knows no better to fly op ships So instead of the 10% RoF give it a 10% damage bonus instead so it is not that much higher. I don't think I have ever heard anyone say the Tempest is OP either....
Hmm well lets see. Battlecruiser sig, battleship tank. Amazing speed and awesome firepower, and with arty its murders most things in comes in contact with, and it can challenge the best of other races.
That is just one of the matar batttleships. The maelstrom is a monster in every sense of the word and matar ships represent the strongest BS fleets in game. Alpha arty fleets.
In fact matar ships are the most common ships in pvp and have enjoyed eve superiority for over 2+ years.
Saying Matar ships dont have any advantages over other races is like saying a fat kid hates being in a candy store. You can smell the bull from miles away.
Matar pilots claiming thier ships are junk are people who want to continue their reign of eve dominance. To which devs are nerfing shield resist tank bonuses and will make alpha fleets even more dominant. |

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
498
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Posted - 2013.05.02 22:11:00 -
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It's funny, I proposed the 7/6/6 +fall off bonuses on FHC and received almost unanimous approval. It seems some are only interested in turning the tempest into a hyperion with 2 unbonused highs, or a larger hurricane - both of which offer little to the game imo. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
261
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Posted - 2013.05.03 02:55:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Krell Kroenen wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote: And can be made into an excelent shield ship.
And there is the gist of it, the main agenda for the 6 mids slot push is to make an excellent shield ship nothing more or less. And while having the 6th midslot might allow for some colorful gimmicks on an armor tank none of them really shine. Even by your own use of the words good in comparison with the word excellent shows your own thoughts on the matter. I am sorry that the Maelstrom isn't the poor man's Mach that so many people want the Tempest to be. But the matar already have a shield tanking projectile battleship. Better be excelent shield ship than a mediocre armor and shield one :P
One second there... We fly minmatar, since when have the matari even cared about shield, armour or even hull for that matter. ;) It doesn't matter our hulls are flaming wrecks as long as we can dish out a tonne of damage. :) |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
699
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Posted - 2013.05.03 05:15:00 -
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Hagika wrote: Hmm well lets see. Battlecruiser sig, battleship tank. Amazing speed and awesome firepower, and with arty its murders most things in comes in contact with, and it can challenge the best of other races.
That is just one of the matar batttleships. The maelstrom is a monster in every sense of the word and matar ships represent the strongest BS fleets in game. Alpha arty fleets.
In fact matar ships are the most common ships in pvp and have enjoyed eve superiority for over 2+ years.
Saying Matar ships dont have any advantages over other races is like saying a fat kid hates being in a candy store. You can smell the bull from miles away.
Matar pilots claiming thier ships are junk are people who want to continue their reign of eve dominance. To which devs are nerfing shield resist tank bonuses and will make alpha fleets even more dominant.
If you're seriously agreeing with anything Naomi the troll said you've lost any credibility or right to speak further in this thread.
Two years ago you (and the troll) might have been correct but, Minmatar ships have been nerfed either directly (Hurricane, for example) or, in comparison to other racial ships due to a combination of Minmatar ships being unchanged and the other races' ships getting better (Rifter vs other T1 frigates).
Please stop with the nonsense about Minmatar ships being OP. They're not and not by a damned long way. If you want to see something scary and bordering on being OP check the proposed changes to the Armageddon or Hyperion.
What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

To mare
Advanced Technology
186
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Posted - 2013.05.03 10:09:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:To mare wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:I still think 8% ROF and a 20% web range per level would give it a n unique role. Does not compete with rapier web range and make the tempest the gate camping BS role. Also its able to do soemthign the tornado cannot. i dont really like the idea of the web bonus plus the 8% rof is a bit odd on top of that if need a camping BS i think minmatars are totally the wrong race for me the right direction for the tempest is speed agility and a better damage bonus like i said before 5% rof 7,5% damage (and this shoul apply to all the minmatar double damage bonused ships like the cane and ruppie that at the moment are really ridiculous compared to the blooming of 10% bonuses) Ok its odd that I can agree. I just do not agree that being a t1 hull is automatically exclusive to web bonus since the geddon got a neut bonus. I am just tryign to find a role that is not massively outdone by the tornado, maesltrom, megathron, hyperion, armageddon and hurricane, and web was somethign none of them could do im not saying a web bonus isnt ok on a T1 hull, im just saying that personally i dont like it i would prefer the pest to keep the double dmg bonus and to beef it up a bit because atm its just sad compared to the 10% bonus. i would like to see typhoon: missile boat tempest: fast gunboat mael is the tanky one tornado dont have the double neut |

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
498
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Posted - 2013.05.03 11:27:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Krell Kroenen wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote: And can be made into an excelent shield ship.
And there is the gist of it, the main agenda for the 6 mids slot push is to make an excellent shield ship nothing more or less. And while having the 6th midslot might allow for some colorful gimmicks on an armor tank none of them really shine. Even by your own use of the words good in comparison with the word excellent shows your own thoughts on the matter. I am sorry that the Maelstrom isn't the poor man's Mach that so many people want the Tempest to be. But the matar already have a shield tanking projectile battleship. Better be excelent shield ship than a mediocre armor and shield one :P One second there... We fly minmatar, since when have the matari even cared about shield, armour or even hull for that matter. ;) It doesn't matter our hulls are flaming wrecks as long as we can dish out a tonne of damage. :) I think your confusing minmatar with gallente.
Minimatar have always been about mid range attrition, utilising oversized plates or shield extenders and grinding down opponents unable to run away, and running away from everything else.
In Battleship land, over sized plates have never existed, and until the changes to projectiles, royally sucked. The hulls still kind of need work, especially Maelstrom and Tempest, although the Maelstrom is barely still clinging on to relevancy by lieu of the fact it is still the best 1400 artillery platform. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
221
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Posted - 2013.05.03 14:52:00 -
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To mare wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:To mare wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:I still think 8% ROF and a 20% web range per level would give it a n unique role. Does not compete with rapier web range and make the tempest the gate camping BS role. Also its able to do soemthign the tornado cannot. i dont really like the idea of the web bonus plus the 8% rof is a bit odd on top of that if need a camping BS i think minmatars are totally the wrong race for me the right direction for the tempest is speed agility and a better damage bonus like i said before 5% rof 7,5% damage (and this shoul apply to all the minmatar double damage bonused ships like the cane and ruppie that at the moment are really ridiculous compared to the blooming of 10% bonuses) Ok its odd that I can agree. I just do not agree that being a t1 hull is automatically exclusive to web bonus since the geddon got a neut bonus. I am just tryign to find a role that is not massively outdone by the tornado, maesltrom, megathron, hyperion, armageddon and hurricane, and web was somethign none of them could do im not saying a web bonus isnt ok on a T1 hull, im just saying that personally i dont like it i would prefer the pest to keep the double dmg bonus and to beef it up a bit because atm its just sad compared to the 10% bonus. i would like to see typhoon: missile boat tempest: fast gunboat mael is the tanky one tornado dont have the double neut
Double neut not even close to payss off all the disadvantages the tempest have. And now the neutralizer role is armageddon place. No one will ask you anymore to bring a tempest because we need neutralziers alongside some moderate firepower. Armageddon does it way better now. |

Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
314
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Posted - 2013.05.03 15:20:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Double neut not even close to payss off all the disadvantages the tempest have. And now the neutralizer role is armageddon place. No one will ask you anymore to bring a tempest because we need neutralziers alongside some moderate firepower. Armageddon does it way better now. Dominix already did it better then. If the Armageddon is a threat to the Tempest, then the Dominix was already overshadowing it. |

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
498
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Posted - 2013.05.03 15:41:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Double neut not even close to payss off all the disadvantages the tempest have. And now the neutralizer role is armageddon place. No one will ask you anymore to bring a tempest because we need neutralziers alongside some moderate firepower. Armageddon does it way better now. Dominix already did it better then. If the Armageddon is a threat to the Tempest, then the Dominix was already overshadowing it. And, as I've shown, the new Megathron, with 5 turrets +2 neuts will do just as good.  Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |

Velix Tessier
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2013.05.04 03:07:00 -
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So since we're gonna be paying more for our battleships now, can we have our bigger drone bay back on the Typhoon? |

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:14:00 -
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Tempest: A 200mill slow battlecruiser with 2x heavy neuts...
LOL, Nope. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
715
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Posted - 2013.05.05 04:49:00 -
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The combination of these rebalance efforts and the large rise in battleship build prices will cause fewer people to fly the things, especially terrible under performers like the Tempest and Raven. Maybe this is CCP's intention.  What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
265
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Posted - 2013.05.05 12:00:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:The combination of these rebalance efforts and the large rise in battleship build prices will cause fewer people to fly the things, especially terrible under performers like the Tempest and Raven. Maybe this is CCP's intention. 
I'm not sure about the Raven, but CCP Rise has pretty much indicated that the Tempest will be receiving further buffs, so people need to chill and wait to see what he comes up with next. |

Bigg Gun
Flying Bags Inc. Bulgarian Space Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.05.05 13:36:00 -
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he also indicated that he'll look at feedback but it's been weeks since the last changes... I think this is pretty much "it"
Also Yay for phoon - "the better raven" mwahahaha |

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
510
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Posted - 2013.05.05 19:37:00 -
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Heh, this thread has dropped to 4 posts a day. At least Rise made a change to the Apoc this weekend. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |

Avald Midular
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2013.05.05 19:56:00 -
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Pattern Clarc wrote:Heh, this thread has dropped to 4 posts a day. At least Rise made a change to the Apoc this weekend.
What change? |

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
510
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Posted - 2013.05.05 20:18:00 -
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Avald Midular wrote:Pattern Clarc wrote:Heh, this thread has dropped to 4 posts a day. At least Rise made a change to the Apoc this weekend. What change? My bad, CCP Rises last actual comment was on the 24th a couple of weeks ago. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |

Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
363
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Posted - 2013.05.05 20:29:00 -
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Pattern Clarc wrote:Avald Midular wrote:Pattern Clarc wrote:Heh, this thread has dropped to 4 posts a day. At least Rise made a change to the Apoc this weekend. What change? My bad, CCP Rises last actual comment was on the 24th a couple of weeks ago. Cause he is working his assoff to implement the best balance/fix there is possible You will see it when expansion will be out and everybody will say "These changes are so awesome,I cant believe how they did this so great,Im so happy right now. I want to fly the every one these battleships,lets go to jita and buy a pair from each."
or not:D |

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
512
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Posted - 2013.05.06 18:50:00 -
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Another day, no more feedback. And this thread has died a death. The dead horse thoroughly beaten? Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |

Nagarythe Tinurandir
Tormented of Destiny Cha Ching PLC
126
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Posted - 2013.05.06 18:56:00 -
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Pattern Clarc wrote:Another day, no more feedback. And this thread has died a death. The dead horse thoroughly beaten?
a few more kicks should be possible... however, there isn't much more to say. all relevant arguments have been brought at least three times.
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Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
159
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:03:00 -
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Pattern Clarc wrote:Another day, no more feedback. And this thread has died a death. The dead horse thoroughly beaten?
Well it seems dead now but perhaps once the BB changes are on SiSi, CCP will come looking for feedback on how they perform there. But for now I am not expecting them to say much of anything till then. |

Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
512
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:48:00 -
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Let's some this up: Typhoon: I'm happy with it, some aren't - mostly to do with the mix of drones and missiles. May be better with missiles than the Raven - but to be honest, that's the Raven's problem.
Maelstrom: :S Good enough for now...
Tempest: Blaugh Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |

Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
331
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Posted - 2013.05.07 04:16:00 -
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Tempest need some love it need
+ 1 gun or
- 1 high + 1 med or low or
- 5% dmg + 10%/7.5 % rof + Tracking
It need something SOMETHING to keep it a float .. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Justitia McKingston
6
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:14:00 -
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Quote: Tempest ... Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7000(+46) / 7300(+1089) / 6800(+259)
correct me if im wrong but dosent have the Tempest about 6990 Armor points at this moment? So the Increase is not ~1000 but about 300 instead?
Edit: ans same applies to shield? |

Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
137
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:56:00 -
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Justitia McKingston wrote:Quote: Tempest ... Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7000(+46) / 7300(+1089) / 6800(+259)
correct me if im wrong but dosent have the Tempest about 6990 Armor points at this moment? So the Increase is not ~1000 but about 300 instead? Edit: ans same applies to shield?
You are correct.
current values:
6211 / 6954 / 6641
New Values:
7000(+789) / 7300(+346) / 6800(+159)
Apparently they used wrong database (Again)
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Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
74
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Posted - 2013.05.07 11:27:00 -
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Anything new about this Tempest dear CCP Rise? (For god sake add it a 6th medslot it needs it!) |

Lloyd Roses
Risk-Averse PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
68
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Posted - 2013.05.07 11:53:00 -
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I think many people misunderstood my concerns with the tempest. The ship is not useless, it just lacks anything worth flying it besides dualneuts.. which only shine cause it's the only non-crp you can put in there. However, those two non-crp slots are tking awy from potential fitting tht would be needed to justify using a tempest for even a single role it might slip into.
I don't see any reason to give it six mids just like that. 8.5% RoF bonus is just odd and ugly, a fixed tempest needing 8.5% RoF would be a huge questionmark.
Instead of reiterating in your minds of the idea that tempest is a ship filling a non-viable niche (the XL-bttlecruiser one), should go back and look for niches to be filled. And there are two for minmatar! First would be a armortanked gunboat (Fleet issue), second would be either superrupture (tracking bonus) or a proper minimach (6 highslots, weak boni -- so make it FAST at least, not 'as fast as ships that have fast as secondary attribute', but minmatar-fast. Pirateships are said to be plain better, why can't the tempest be an actual predecessor to the mach, with weaker firepower/agility/velocity/lockrange/tank/senors/dronebay. Instead of being a ship that has a terrible slotlayout, unimpressive stats for what it should be, less firepower than a sleipnir even though twin boni and the 'tank'. Ofc the tempest has better eft-dps, in reality though the sleip wipes the floor with any tempest for a much more reasonable pricetag regarding bang for buck (CS are currently at around 260, going downwards)
Tl;dr: Gimping it's stats, tuning down the massive sigbloom first intended and finally just drop it into the attack bs category, stating 'was **** before, look is now equally **** afterwards' is just not going to cut it. (Tempest isn't **** at all, just the other battleships are better right now... so how do you see the tempest faring unchanged against the new BS-meta?)
In all scenarios: Forgive me for doubting the efficiency of snakeimplanted pirateclones with loki/tengulinks making a tempest go 2km/s non-OH and wtf-kiting all of lowsec, let's ignore that point as it is largely irrelevant to the common use of battleships. Also, Kiting-Nega is just as fast.... |

Altimo
Homicidal Teddy Bears
32
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Posted - 2013.05.07 14:08:00 -
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I'm kind of disappointed in the tempest myself, for odyssey I find it strange that we have 2 attack battleships as minmatar, now here is why, The tempest is basically a hurricane with large guns, 5 medium slots and 6 lows does not make for a good shield tank or armor tank. So trying to tank in pvp is probably not a good idea, you may want to snipe with it. However a tornado can fill that role and do a better job at it, and it's also cheaper.
I was curious to see what might be done with the tempest due to the fact the tornado pretty much wipes the floor with it as an alpha strike, you could also use a maelstrom, might as well since they could be almost the same price post-odyssey. If I wanted to use the tempest as a close range ship, then I'm better off with the typhoon or a maelstrom, or a battlecruiser.
As the previous poster above has stated, the only thing its got going for it is the two neuts. I can't configure 8 guns If I wanted to, but an Apoc can, and a Mega can have 7 turrets. I can't help but feel a bit shafted since this ship is still mediocre for a battleship. For all the winmater whining in these forums, this is the one ship I don't consider "Winmatar" This ship needs a more defined role, not just a bigger hurricane, or another attack battleship. |

Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
137
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Posted - 2013.05.07 14:31:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote: A good post.
Current "rifter" progression line is:
Rifter -> ... -> Rupture -> Cane -> Pest (Nope thrasher belongs to another line IMO)
All can be armor or shield tanked All have utility slot All but rifter have double damage bonus and lower amount of turrets than counter parts (I admit it is hard to do it on rifter) All have quite decent speed .... All have fallen out of favor after tiercide....and it is pests turn.
The issue is their shield setups were actually too good compared to other hulls. Now that other ships have caught up and passed them they are being slowly abandoned for newer tactics. I find this completely normal. We'll need to adapt.
Though adaptation this time will be harder as the TE's are nerfed too.
As for pest I may get flamed for this but....I don't want to abandon the dual damage bonus. It provides decent alpha and decent dps this way. ROF only bonus would get rid of alpha, which is one of the selling qualities of Tempest.
In fact, what I would like to have on pest is some more PG to easier utilize this quality. |
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