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Iroh Mishi
Harm-Rook Corporation Tau Kingdom
3
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:19:00 -
[361] - Quote
Apologies in advance, I know this has probably been addressed somewhere already, but I could not find it.
I know that the Destroyer/Battlecruiser SP backfill took place (thanks for that). What about the Mining Frigate skill for characters who never trained that but are in Hulks and Macks? For now I see my characters are still allowed to fly ships with red X's in their pre-req lists...will that change? Or will they be given up to the level needed to meet the reqs?
Thanks, -Iroh |
Phext
SIGBUS
9
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:21:00 -
[362] - Quote
RoAnnon wrote: So that more miners die more quickly, less ore is mined, prices go up and people are more likely to purchase plex? Just thinking out loud (via typing).
But how does the move from scannable sites to anomalies fit into the "make mining a more active profession" mantra? I thought of "active" in terms of "work for your rocks" and not "get doomed in seconds just like sitting untanked in crowded systems abc belt". |
Proddy Scun
Renfield Inc
28
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:23:00 -
[363] - Quote
ICE respawn 4 hours after depleted ...obviously does not implement fair resource distribution across time zones.
The vast majority of weekday logon sessions are less than 4 hours! Meaning its easy to miss end of one ice anomaly and start of next. Plus few people live in oceans so spawning in mid-ocean serves a select few.
Instead consider distributing available ice based on profile of new logon number throughout the UTC week days. Maybe use last year to project holiday logons. CCP could even start watching ice miner specific logon if CCP wanted (but seems like overcompensation to me).
Consider using smaller ice content anomalies. This lets EVE spread resources across day more appropriately (heh Hawaii and the Philippines needs to see some ice but not much).
Consider spreading hi sec ice roids farther apart 20-30 km. If small enough anomalies limit the hauling advantage of huge mining fleets. In low sec you might want to pack ice closer together to encourage Orca, freighter and Rorqual deployment away from stations. |
SkinnyBish
RIME Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:24:00 -
[364] - Quote
Right click on ship in station no longer brings up a menu.
Did I miss this change in the patch notes ? |
Naldo
Northern Grit Shifters
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:39:00 -
[365] - Quote
Probing is generally easier than it was before once you reboot your brain to do some of it backwards group ungroup ............
Launching probes is a pain in the @ss though because the prescripted patterns don't allow for you having maybe a different number of probes so when mine launch it take what feels like an eternity to get them in the right shape, lease can you sort that out ?
It doesnt seem to matter if i launch in pinpoint or spread formation once i hit alt or shift they need t be sorted out. I use a flat 5 probe set.
thanks |
ViulfR DeWolf
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:41:00 -
[366] - Quote
The if you could fly it before you can fly it now isn't working as intended...I lost cloaking 4 (after training it and covert ops 4) and now can't fly my manticore with the covert ops 2 devise...I've petitioned in game, but didn't see any thread for Odyssey that would have caused this to drop...oversight or working as intended? 4 days isn't alot to retrain, but the 50K given for disruption is nothing like the 200+K I'll need to get the skill back...not terribly interested in training it again, other than the 30+M ISK brick I now have in my hanger... |
Honest Kate
Honest Kate's Trading Company
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:42:00 -
[367] - Quote
1) Cannot get probes to come out in a decent formation consistently anymore. I do not need or want 8 probes, so I now only carry 5. When they launch they come out in odd formations and it is so annoying to have them to move them in to a decent spread. Please can we have an option to ignore formations completely, and the probes appear where your ship actually is again? In addition it was much better when probes were dropped one at a time. The formation buttons do not work with only 5 probes as it seems to assume there must be 3 missing and so places my 5 probes not in a regular pattern, but with 1 central, and then the other 4 placed seemingly at random.
2) On the occasions probes do get arranged in some usable formation, scanning has become a variant of PI. Seems to be no connect between how I move my probes and signal strength anymore. It is just click, drag, click, drag... I know it was not exactly rocket science before, but at least it felt like I was actually doing something rather than just doing something that my on-board computer could do for me. I do not see why we bother scanning anything now, my Cheetah's computer could handle it surely. I could just log on and click warp-to.
3) Data and Relic sites mini-game thing is fine. Totally unnecessary, devoid of both fun and irritants, so whatever. But the clicking TINY little boxes in space is ridiculous. If having to choose between the loot worth some isk, and that which is not worth anything, then that is fine... But they have to appear on the overview, or a pop-up panel, or just about anything other than too-small boxes shooting out in various directions. Seriously, it would be better if every time I hacked a data site you dispatched 20 carrier pigeons over my actual house and I had to physically shoot them down with a sling.
All I ever wanted to do since I started Eve was be an explorer. And while I can still run wormholes, actual scanning for data and relic sites feels like it is now a part of my Eve existence I have to retire. It really feels like it has been redesigned by people who do not actually scan much, who did not previously find any fun in doing it, and as such it has not evolved. It feels like this is a stepping stone to phasing it out. I could even accept the clicking on space but not having any control over my probes is a disaster. |
Thorian Crystal
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
21
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:45:00 -
[368] - Quote
I searched for a hacking site in high sec yesterday, but didn't find one. Not good for a new player, if there isn't even a site. |
Naldo
Northern Grit Shifters
1
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:50:00 -
[369] - Quote
Honest Kate wrote:1) Cannot get probes to come out in a decent formation consistently anymore. I do not need or want 8 probes, so I now only carry 5. When they launch they come out in odd formations and it is so annoying to have them to move them in to a decent spread. Please can we have an option to ignore formations completely, and the probes appear where your ship actually is again? In addition it was much better when probes were dropped one at a time. The formation buttons do not work with only 5 probes as it seems to assume there must be 3 missing and so places my 5 probes not in a regular pattern, but with 1 central, and then the other 4 placed seemingly at random.
2) On the occasions probes do get arranged in some usable formation, scanning has become a variant of PI. Seems to be no connect between how I move my probes and signal strength anymore. It is just click, drag, click, drag... I know it was not exactly rocket science before, but at least it felt like I was actually doing something rather than just doing something that my on-board computer could do for me. I do not see why we bother scanning anything now, my Cheetah's computer could handle it surely. I could just log on and click warp-to.
3) Data and Relic sites mini-game thing is fine. Totally unnecessary, devoid of both fun and irritants, so whatever. But the clicking TINY little boxes in space is ridiculous. If having to choose between the loot worth some isk, and that which is not worth anything, then that is fine... But they have to appear on the overview, or a pop-up panel, or just about anything other than too-small boxes shooting out in various directions. Seriously, it would be better if every time I hacked a data site you dispatched 20 carrier pigeons over my actual house and I had to physically shoot them down with a sling.
All I ever wanted to do since I started Eve was be an explorer. And while I can still run wormholes, actual scanning for data and relic sites feels like it is now a part of my Eve existence I have to retire. It really feels like it has been redesigned by people who do not actually scan much, who did not previously find any fun in doing it, and as such it has not evolved. It feels like this is a stepping stone to phasing it out. I could even accept the clicking on space but not having any control over my probes is a disaster.
think i just found the way to pull them back together so you can set the 5 probe pattern, launch the 5 and then holding alt pull them all into the centre at once , just tried it and it works |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
73
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:52:00 -
[370] - Quote
Thorian Crystal wrote:I searched for a hacking site in high sec yesterday, but didn't find one. Not good for a new player, if there isn't even a site. don't bother.
1- minigame is irritating piece of crap
2- if you happen to win it, the loot phase is just designed by....i can find a non insulting word here
3- loot is not worth it, crap everywhere
this is what happen when ppl who ever scanned or ran thoses sites are in charge in redesign, AND they don't listen players feedback (just look at SIS feedback, since DAY 1 this was rolled on sisi, ppl are telling CCP this whole thing is BAD very very BAD, explaining why and stuff
but as usual, CCP ignored the players.... |
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Honest Kate
Honest Kate's Trading Company
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:57:00 -
[371] - Quote
Naldo wrote:Honest Kate wrote:1) Cannot get probes to come out in a decent formation consistently anymore. I do not need or want 8 probes, so I now only carry 5. When they launch they come out in odd formations and it is so annoying to have them to move them in to a decent spread. Please can we have an option to ignore formations completely, and the probes appear where your ship actually is again? In addition it was much better when probes were dropped one at a time. The formation buttons do not work with only 5 probes as it seems to assume there must be 3 missing and so places my 5 probes not in a regular pattern, but with 1 central, and then the other 4 placed seemingly at random.
2) On the occasions probes do get arranged in some usable formation, scanning has become a variant of PI. Seems to be no connect between how I move my probes and signal strength anymore. It is just click, drag, click, drag... I know it was not exactly rocket science before, but at least it felt like I was actually doing something rather than just doing something that my on-board computer could do for me. I do not see why we bother scanning anything now, my Cheetah's computer could handle it surely. I could just log on and click warp-to.
3) Data and Relic sites mini-game thing is fine. Totally unnecessary, devoid of both fun and irritants, so whatever. But the clicking TINY little boxes in space is ridiculous. If having to choose between the loot worth some isk, and that which is not worth anything, then that is fine... But they have to appear on the overview, or a pop-up panel, or just about anything other than too-small boxes shooting out in various directions. Seriously, it would be better if every time I hacked a data site you dispatched 20 carrier pigeons over my actual house and I had to physically shoot them down with a sling.
All I ever wanted to do since I started Eve was be an explorer. And while I can still run wormholes, actual scanning for data and relic sites feels like it is now a part of my Eve existence I have to retire. It really feels like it has been redesigned by people who do not actually scan much, who did not previously find any fun in doing it, and as such it has not evolved. It feels like this is a stepping stone to phasing it out. I could even accept the clicking on space but not having any control over my probes is a disaster. think i just found the way to pull them back together so you can set the 5 probe pattern, launch the 5 and then holding alt pull them all into the centre at once , just tried it and it works
That is brilliant, works perfectly. thank you so much |
Alikessu
Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:07:00 -
[372] - Quote
Quote: CHANGES
User Interface
Removed the unused GÇÿSell This ItemGÇÖ and GÇÿCreate ContractGÇÖ menu options when right-clicking on an item in a Corporate Hangar Array or Personal Hangar Array
I want this feature back! It is plain stupidity to force players move items to personal hanger just to sell them for corp. Nothing good will come out of it, just corp stuff gets mixed up with pilots own. Probably it seems to you it is unused becouse not many pilots are doing corp asset marketing. Only few doing it but they do for the whole corp so it is actually used by very many pilots.
Regards,
Alikessu the loot salesman of Cohortes Vigilum
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Ristlin Wakefield
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
351
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:13:00 -
[373] - Quote
seth Hendar wrote:Thorian Crystal wrote:I searched for a hacking site in high sec yesterday, but didn't find one. Not good for a new player, if there isn't even a site. don't bother. 1- minigame is irritating piece of crap 2- if you happen to win it, the loot phase is just designed by....i can find a non insulting word here 3- loot is not worth it, crap everywhere this is what happen when ppl who ever scanned or ran thoses sites are in charge in redesign, AND they don't listen players feedback (just look at SIS feedback, since DAY 1 this was rolled on sisi, ppl are telling CCP this whole thing is BAD very very BAD, explaining why and stuff but as usual, CCP ignored the players.... all in all, inarna was clearly the worst expansion, but odyssey is really a good challenger for the place
Explorer here.
Just letting you know that I grew to like the minigame, I made my usual ISK take in last night, and the probing system is much better. So all is good in the world :D I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
MaverickScot
Unidentified Flying Saucer
55
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:30:00 -
[374] - Quote
I have three clients and a download speed of 1mb due to my rural location. Why can I not export patches? Is this intended? |
Malkev
GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM
59
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:31:00 -
[375] - Quote
Gate jump sound is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too loud, very annoying.
I'd also like to be able to move the columns around in the scanning interface, a la pre-Odyssey. I don't care what the 'Scan Group' is, as I have filters setup already so I know what the group is. |
Shuin Pa
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:52:00 -
[376] - Quote
These are my initial reactions after the first day of Ice Mining.
First let me say that I am pretty tired of mining ice anyway. When these changes were announced, I like many others started hoarding looking forward to the ice prices skyrocketing. So now, on to bigger and better things! I am taking my hoard to Jita and sitting on it.
Social aspect: It's hard to socialize with bots and AFK players, but there was a community in each system of active players and that has now changed. It's much more of a competition now. Instead of helping other miners with free bonus fleets and such I see greed taking over. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Will large corps take over the system and gank other that try to mine 'their' ice? Too many scenarios to discuss, but it will be different now.
Bots: Thank you! The new system seems that is will make it much harder (but not impossible) for the scum we call "the botters" to operate in a profitable capacity. I imagine that they will just take to the ore belts now.
AFK Mining: These days are gone. Even the Mack fills up very quickly now with the cycle time cut in half. If this was you intention, it's working. With the ice rocks having fewer cubes and popping in just a few minutes, AFK is gone. IMHO good job. The current system requires that you be at or near the keyboard to play.
Gankers: Sad days ahead. Sorry to say you will have to step up your efforts, record timers, keep mobility in mind as you place the scout or make a BM to the mining ships now. This expansion will change how ganking is done, AFK miners are no longer. Ganker Ganking (My mini-game) will be much more challenging now, but I am still out there in the shadows waiting for the Catalysts on DScan! 8-)
Bumpers: Ahh The New Order... Instead of paying you to keep you from bumping me, may I pay you to bump the other guy so I can extract more ice while the anom is up? Will Corps use this mechanic to remove the competition form the belts?
Respawn Timer: I have mixed emotions on the four hour timer. I like it because it seems that it has really discouraged the AFK miner. Paying attention to the timers requires some work and/or networking with other miners in the system. My issue is for those that actively ice mine and enjoy it might get cheated here. It would seem to me that the average Eve sub only logs on for a few hours a day and may get cheated out of their game time and play style. That's just a thought.
First day in the belt: I missed the first spawn, but I hear it was pretty crazy 30-40 mining ships 6+ Orcas all jockeying for space. The second and third were pretty much the same. It seemed as the day went on there were fewer and fewer miners that come out to play leaving much more ice for those of us that were willing to chase the timer and the ice. As time goes on we will see how this plays out, but my initial impressions are good.
I will however, caution that these efforts may be too expensive. Whether the expense is in obtaining the ice or the cost of the ice. Will Hisec moons become available again only to those corps that can afford the fuel? Will the prices of researched BPOs skyrocket because people simply cannot afford to put up a research POS anymore? The trickle down from these changes and the impact on the economy remains to be seen.
Will the asteroid belts soon follow the ice belts by becoming anoms too? (points to ponder)
Lastly please remove the hidden ore and gas anoms and change them back to being probed. You want activity in losec, I see this change having the opposite effect. If a pirate wants to gank miners in these sites he no longer has to work for the tears. But, keeping with the tone of this post, we will see.
Thank you for listening to your player base!
Pa
((Sorry didn't originally intend to write a book)) |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1129
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:09:00 -
[377] - Quote
All in all I am pleased with what odyssey has brought. My biggest gripe is no T3 ships in 4/10 complexes. Especially since command ships are allowed in. To those who are giving up Hacking, I thank you for the extra income :) Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
mkint
1041
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:11:00 -
[378] - Quote
RoAnnon wrote:Phext wrote:Persephone Alleile wrote: -Ore sites as anomalies that show up the second you undock/enter system is silly. It was nice being able to find a secret mining spot that only you and your corp mates knew about.
Yeah. God only knows why they've done that. So that more miners die more quickly, less ore is mined, prices go up and people are more likely to purchase plex? Just thinking out loud (via typing).
They did it for the nullbears.
Some nullbear CSMs were obviously complaining that their minions only ran anoms, so they made "exploration" over into... well, no longer exploration... something that, you know, doesn't involve actually exploring. So mindless nullbear drones don't have to strain themselves.
If you thought nullsec couldn't ever get more stagnant, guess again. Apparently devs play the meta game too. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Apollo Cochrane
Hyperion Collective
24
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:18:00 -
[379] - Quote
Hello Devs,
My 2 cents:
Everything is awesome, however, I cannot find ice fields anywhere!
1. Make both Ore Sites and Ice Sites probe-scannable sigs - NOT ANOMS that any noob in space diapers can find.
2. Make them respawn after ONE hour.
3. Make both types of sites BIGGER.
Summary: SIGS. ONE-HOUR RESPAWN. BIGGER
Regards,
Apollo.
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Fred Kyong
EWH NanoTex
3
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:25:00 -
[380] - Quote
Malkev wrote:Gate jump sound is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too loud, very annoying.
I'd also like to be able to move the columns around in the scanning interface, a la pre-Odyssey. I don't care what the 'Scan Group' is, as I have filters setup already so I know what the group is.
You can adjust the sound loudness. Press ESC and look in your Audio menu |
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Oliver Delorean
Dark Fenix Rising
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:25:00 -
[381] - Quote
Thanx CCP! I have no bad word! Keep up with good work!!
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Rutger Janssen
Xanadu
77
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:31:00 -
[382] - Quote
You forgot to mention in the 1.0.1 patch notes that you fixed minimizing the station services window doesn't minimize it twice anymore. (icon with a 2 and clicking it gave you the option to maximize either of the two but maximized both) |
MaverickScot
Unidentified Flying Saucer
55
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:32:00 -
[383] - Quote
What happened to the right click in the hanger on your ship to open you various areas on your Orca? This is a huge pain in the ass if this is intentional. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14889
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:38:00 -
[384] - Quote
Iroh Mishi wrote:Apologies in advance, I know this has probably been addressed somewhere already, but I could not find it.
I know that the Destroyer/Battlecruiser SP backfill took place (thanks for that). What about the Mining Frigate skill for characters who never trained that but are in Hulks and Macks? For now I see my characters are still allowed to fly ships with red X's in their pre-req lists...will that change? Or will they be given up to the level needed to meet the reqs?
Thanks, -Iroh Nothing is going to change and you will not need to train the prerequisites, if you don't wish. They only exist to allow the actual ship skill to be injected. But if you trained the ship skill under the old system, you can and always will be able to fly it.
If you could fly it before, you'll be able to fly it after. This will not change.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2032
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:42:00 -
[385] - Quote
Two small requests.
Put the undock button back where it was (hell, keep both, nothing wrong with 2 undock buttons)
And fer the love of Sam please let me ignore anomalies in the scanner window. I usually ignore the anomalies I'm not going to screw with so I don't have to keep scrolling up and down when I need to warp. |
RoAnnon
Strategic Acquisitions Group Tactical Research Lab
73
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:44:00 -
[386] - Quote
Phext wrote:RoAnnon wrote: So that more miners die more quickly, less ore is mined, prices go up and people are more likely to purchase plex? Just thinking out loud (via typing).
But how does the move from scannable sites to anomalies fit into the "make mining a more active profession" mantra? I thought of "active" in terms of "work for your rocks" and not "get doomed in seconds just like sitting untanked in crowded systems abc belt".
Indeed. Quite the conundrum. Makes a person wonder... So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
Ristlin Wakefield
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
352
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:52:00 -
[387] - Quote
MindLife wrote:Can you show me that menu in a screenshot because it is apparently not avaiable in my version of eve...
Don't have it handy, but its the three little lines that you can click on the top left of many windows. After you target something, look for it there or on one of your other target selection windows. Once you click it you have two options, one of the options is to disable camera tracking. I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
Apollo Cochrane
Hyperion Collective
24
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:04:00 -
[388] - Quote
I mean look at this. How does CCP expect the ice belts to last with this shenanigans going on? lol |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1129
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:06:00 -
[389] - Quote
Apollo Cochrane wrote:I mean look at this. How does CCP expect the ice belts to last with this shenanigans going on? lol By bringing in a SB Abaddon Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
Apollo Cochrane
Hyperion Collective
24
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:11:00 -
[390] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote:Apollo Cochrane wrote:I mean look at this. How does CCP expect the ice belts to last with this shenanigans going on? lol By bringing in a SB Abaddon
At this point I'd welcome it! Just don't shoot me. I'll split my mining earnings with ya! lol |
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