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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
11504
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Posted - 2013.09.07 13:52:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Then you don't need access to a ship that's not useful.
Titans have uses outside of PvE, if you can conceive of such a thing.
Seriously, do you never tire of publically humiliating yourself by speaking loudly about matters about which you know little or nothing, and then being immediately shown to be incontrovertibly wrong? Is it a sex fetish thing or what?
1 Kings 12:11
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
483
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Posted - 2013.09.07 13:53:00 -
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[quote=Vaerah Vahrokha]
Ah, by reading the "Do Level 4 missions pay too much compared to 1 through 3?" I thought this was not exactly the thread where nerfs are called on you.
/quote]
No actually yhr argument is weather or no hi sec income is too high compared to null.
...and it is by a long shot |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
471
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Posted - 2013.09.07 13:53:00 -
[933] - Quote
quote=Malcanis]Caliph Muhammed wrote:Then you don't need access to a ship that's not useful.
Titans have uses outside of PvE, if you can conceive of such a thing.
Seriously, do you never tire of publically humiliating yourself by speaking loudly about matters about which you know little or nothing, and then being immediately shown to be incontrovertibly wrong? Is it a sex fetish thing or what?
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To shoot other titans whos only justiciation for existence can be the existence of another titan? Circular reasoning is circular. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
11504
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Posted - 2013.09.07 13:53:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Its time for nullsec to receive the nerf its due. Its time for nullsec to adapt to the nerfs so that we may further balance the game based on real risk and not a subjectively applied version of said risk.
As we know nullsec has received nerfs recently that CCP felt justified in doing and there are more to come. Its time to man up and accept what's best for the game.
Caliph Muhammed wrote:Hisec is safer than null security and that's working as intended. The level of safety is subjective.
1 Kings 12:11
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baltec1
Bat Country
7869
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Posted - 2013.09.07 13:54:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Its time for nullsec to receive the nerf its due. Its time for nullsec to adapt to the nerfs so that we may further balance the game based on real risk and not a subjectively applied version of said risk.
As we know nullsec has received nerfs recently that CCP felt justified in doing and there are more to come. Its time to man up and accept what's best for the game.
We have taken 4 years of nerfs while high sec has had none. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
11504
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Posted - 2013.09.07 13:54:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Malcanis wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Then you don't need access to a ship that's not useful. Titans have uses outside of PvE, if you can conceive of such a thing. Seriously, do you never tire of publically humiliating yourself by speaking loudly about matters about which you know little or nothing, and then being immediately shown to be incontrovertibly wrong? Is it a sex fetish thing or what? To shoot other titans whos only justiciation for existence can be the existence of another titan? Circular reasoning is circular.
No, they have uses even beyond that.
1 Kings 12:11
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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
471
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Posted - 2013.09.07 13:55:00 -
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That's okay Baltec, youll adapt just fine to another 4 years worth. We aren't there yet as our arbitrarily determined number hasn't yet satisfied the malcontents. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
11504
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Posted - 2013.09.07 13:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Its time for nullsec to receive the nerf its due. Its time for nullsec to adapt to the nerfs so that we may further balance the game based on real risk and not a subjectively applied version of said risk.
As we know nullsec has received nerfs recently that CCP felt justified in doing and there are more to come. Its time to man up and accept what's best for the game. We have taken 8 years of nerfs while high sec has had none.
ftfy
1 Kings 12:11
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1397
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Posted - 2013.09.07 13:57:00 -
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perhaps we should introduce rat supers so we can use doomsday in pve and benefit titan owners who are poor |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
471
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Posted - 2013.09.07 13:58:00 -
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You must be mistaken. CCP feels you needed nerfage and as evident by the forums you surely haven't reached the arbitrarily determined level of nerfage needed to silence the dissenters. I submit you have not endured enough. Its obvious by the overwhelming evidence that's presented in the form of forum whine. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7870
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Posted - 2013.09.07 13:59:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:That's okay Baltec, youll adapt just fine to another 4 years worth. We aren't there yet as our arbitrarily determined number hasn't yet satisfied the malcontents.
I see you have run out of real arguments against nerfs to high sec. Not suprising given all the evidence shows that high sec offers too much reward. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
471
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Posted - 2013.09.07 14:00:00 -
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Baltec the delusion of evidence you present is in your head and not in reality. In reality the only evidence presented in this entire 50 page thread is one link by Tippia which shows nothing other than sums. So the link isn't evidence but statistical data that doesn't show what he wants it to. Its still better than what anyone else offers though as at least its something tangible and not vapor from the anus. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7870
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Posted - 2013.09.07 14:33:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Baltec the delusion of evidence you present is in your head and not in reality. In reality the only evidence presented in this entire 50 page thread is one link by Tippia which shows nothing other than sums. So the link isn't evidence but statistical data that doesn't show what he wants it to. Its still better than what anyone else offers though as at least its something tangible and not vapor from the anus.
Lets just ignore that these numbers show the amount of isk each mission will give you, the time it takes to finish the mission and that these numbers show that missions in high sec are on par with null income. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
471
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Posted - 2013.09.07 14:44:00 -
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What numbers? These? |
baltec1
Bat Country
7871
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Posted - 2013.09.07 14:51:00 -
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No the numbers for each level 4 mission. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
471
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Posted - 2013.09.07 14:51:00 -
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Where are they posted? |
baltec1
Bat Country
7871
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Posted - 2013.09.07 14:56:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Where are they posted?
Near the front somewhere.
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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
471
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:02:00 -
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Level 1 mission... 2 million per hour.
Level 2 mission... 4 million per hour.
Level 3 mission... 8 million per hour.
Level 4 Mission... 60 million per hour
These? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16337
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:06:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Level 1 mission... 2 million per hour.
Level 2 mission... 4 million per hour.
Level 3 mission... 8 million per hour.
Level 4 Mission... 60 million per hour
These?
Did I post those numbers? No.
Did I post the link you provided? No.
It's been said before, but it bears repeating: you really need to stop trying to put words in other people's mouths because the only one that will be confused by them is you. Everyone else can read what people have actually said and notice that you have no grasp on reality.
Plenty of evidence has been posted in this thread, and none of them, nor the conclusions based on them, have been refuted or disproven, and no evidence whatsoever has been offered to support your position. So before you start screaming high and low about what has and hasn't been proven, maybe you should take the time to actually check what it isGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4302
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:
We are starting none of these threads however we will not stand by while people demand tbat we be nerfed yet again because they refuse to take any steps to protect themselves.
As for mission income, we simply ask that null and low offer more reward for the higher risk we face. We want to live in null but so long as high sec offers the same or higher reward we find its just not worth it.
Ah, by reading the "Do Level 4 missions pay too much compared to 1 through 3?" I thought this was not exactly the thread where nerfs are called on you. Imo EvE is more or less fine as is and actually they overnerfed miners ganking. The "dynamically spawn anoms" mechanic, as I said several times in the past, HAS impacted more the gankers than their targets. We adapted. Its now time for high sec to adapt to some much needed nerfs to further balance the game.
If it's so bad, how comes your alliance has long time complete supremacy in null sec and is also dominating high sec markets?
I mean, if you were all battered and bloodied and ridiculed I could see such large imbalance.
But I don't see you guys being exactly the poor sods everybody should throw a nickel at. Or am I wrong?
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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
471
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Level 1 mission... 2 million per hour.
Level 2 mission... 4 million per hour.
Level 3 mission... 8 million per hour.
Level 4 Mission... 60 million per hour
These? Did I post those numbers? No. Did I post the link you provided? No. It's been said before, but it bears repeating: you really need to stop trying to put words in other people's mouths because the only one that will be confused by them is you. Everyone else can read what people have actually said and notice that you have no grasp on reality. Plenty of evidence has been posted in this thread, and none of them, nor the conclusions based on them, have been refuted or disproven, and no evidence whatsoever has been offered to support your position. So before you start screaming high and low about what has and hasn't been proven, maybe you should take the time to actually check what it isGǪ
Why does it bear repeating? I may have implied you posted something but whether you did or didn't technically means very little if you use the posted numbers as a basis for your argument about activity ecology and third tangents.
The problem is you often post very weak arguments that aren't immune to counter point and hide behind "people putting words into your mouth" when your argument is discredited. If you didn't use convolution as a primary means to win a debate no one could mistake you for having said something else. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7871
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:22:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:
We are starting none of these threads however we will not stand by while people demand tbat we be nerfed yet again because they refuse to take any steps to protect themselves.
As for mission income, we simply ask that null and low offer more reward for the higher risk we face. We want to live in null but so long as high sec offers the same or higher reward we find its just not worth it.
Ah, by reading the "Do Level 4 missions pay too much compared to 1 through 3?" I thought this was not exactly the thread where nerfs are called on you. Imo EvE is more or less fine as is and actually they overnerfed miners ganking. The "dynamically spawn anoms" mechanic, as I said several times in the past, HAS impacted more the gankers than their targets. We adapted. Its now time for high sec to adapt to some much needed nerfs to further balance the game. If it's so bad, how comes your alliance has long time complete supremacy in null sec and is also dominating high sec markets? I mean, if you were all battered and bloodied and ridiculed I could see such large imbalance. But I don't see you guys being exactly the poor sods everybody should throw a nickel at. Or am I wrong?
A good chunk of the rank and file run alts in empire.
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baltec1
Bat Country
7871
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:25:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Tippia wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Level 1 mission... 2 million per hour.
Level 2 mission... 4 million per hour.
Level 3 mission... 8 million per hour.
Level 4 Mission... 60 million per hour
These? Did I post those numbers? No. Did I post the link you provided? No. It's been said before, but it bears repeating: you really need to stop trying to put words in other people's mouths because the only one that will be confused by them is you. Everyone else can read what people have actually said and notice that you have no grasp on reality. Plenty of evidence has been posted in this thread, and none of them, nor the conclusions based on them, have been refuted or disproven, and no evidence whatsoever has been offered to support your position. So before you start screaming high and low about what has and hasn't been proven, maybe you should take the time to actually check what it isGǪ Why does it bear repeating? I may have implied you posted something but whether you did or didn't technically means very little if you use the posted numbers numbers as a basis for your argument about activity ecology and third tangents.
But we arn't talking about those numbers you linked. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
471
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:26:00 -
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Then right now please post the exact numbers you are talking about. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16337
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:29:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Why does it bear repeating? Because you keep doing it, and you keep inventing larger and larger illusionary constructs based solely on what you claim other people have said, rather than on what they have actually said.
Quote:The problem is you often post very weak arguments that aren't immune to counter point and hide behind "people putting words into your mouth" when your argument is discredited. No. The problem is that people can't find proper counter-arguments or evidence to disprove the facts I provide, and instead have to create strawmen to attack in the stead of what I've actually said, and that when I call them out on it, they just start working down the list of fallacies rather than go back and try to present any kind of actual argument or supporting evidence for their stance.
Quote:Then right now please post the exact numbers you are talking about. You've already been provided with them near the front of the thread.
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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
471
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:30:00 -
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That's because your facts are bunk. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16337
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:31:00 -
[957] - Quote
Caliph Muhammed wrote:That's because your facts are bunk.
Prove it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7871
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:33:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:That's because your facts are bunk.
You have yet to post any evidence. As you said we are the only ones to have posted real facts. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
471
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:34:00 -
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Why bother? If I went through the trouble you'd claim i'm putting words into your mouth, or that I just can't decipher your code or when absolutely backed into a corner lecture us about your Asbergers dreamt activity ecology and 3rd tangent arguments.
I do not need evidence. I'm not asserting HISEC needs a change. This thread does. I need only discredit the arguments made in favor of the assertion as I have done and will continue to do. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16337
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:35:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Why bother? Because otherwise you have nothing.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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