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Nir
The Doldrums
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Posted - 2007.01.28 16:46:00 -
[1111]
 Originally by: Liberator Girl
Originally by: Nir
Deimos is fine, it has the same problem that many 3 medslot ships have nowadays in that it can't fit an injector without sacrificing the MWD, scrambler or web.
However unlike ships similar to it - Zealot for example - it can field 2x heavy webifier drones.. Thus negating the fourth medslot issue.
Of course it can, but then you'll decrease your target's speed at about 50% and in nano-ships era, that's nothing. And don't forget that they can be easily killed.
I'm just giving an example, a similar ship of my race has 0m¦ dronebay and won't be slowing things down by any percentage anytime soon. Deimos has that option at least. While 50% is 25% less than stock med slot webifiers it is still plenty to slow someone down long enough to make the kill. And I imagine a gank fitted Deimos would love people shooting his drones instead of his ship..
On the whole asking for a fourth medslot just for the Deimos is a little short sighted.. If you're going to assume cap injectors are now must have items in PVP (many people would agree there) then all 3 medslot ships (and to some extend Caldari/Minmatar shieldtankers) need rebalancing.
Really as far as Deimos specific fixes go, it needs slightly lower mass and higher base speed. Make it like 15% faster than a Thorax.
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Magniacapra
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Posted - 2007.01.28 19:14:00 -
[1112]
lower mass or higher bsae speed.
other than that a 4th mid would be nice.
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Magniacapra
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Posted - 2007.01.28 19:16:00 -
[1113]
or a bespoke bonus like NOS immunity 
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.28 19:33:00 -
[1114]
/signed again i guess
Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar |
Draugz
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.28 22:05:00 -
[1115]
Edited by: Draugz on 28/01/2007 22:03:32
I wouldent mind boosts to the Deimos, but at this point Battleships with no more than 1 Nos goes down fairly easy with a rigged Deimos.
Exp rig+Cap Rig.
550-650 dps w/Ions
75%+ Resistances except EM unless you swap cap rig for EM.
x3 Hammerheads T2
x2 EWar jam drones
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente
The Underground
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Posted - 2007.01.28 22:20:00 -
[1116]
from what i've heard, a ion II deimos with one mag stab II could take down officer angels in one min. This boasting or not?
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Liberator Girl
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Posted - 2007.01.28 22:22:00 -
[1117]
Originally by: Nir
Originally by: Liberator Girl
Originally by: Nir
Deimos is fine, it has the same problem that many 3 medslot ships have nowadays in that it can't fit an injector without sacrificing the MWD, scrambler or web.
However unlike ships similar to it - Zealot for example - it can field 2x heavy webifier drones.. Thus negating the fourth medslot issue.
Of course it can, but then you'll decrease your target's speed at about 50% and in nano-ships era, that's nothing. And don't forget that they can be easily killed.
I'm just giving an example, a similar ship of my race has 0m¦ dronebay and won't be slowing things down by any percentage anytime soon. Deimos has that option at least. While 50% is 25% less than stock med slot webifiers it is still plenty to slow someone down long enough to make the kill. And I imagine a gank fitted Deimos would love people shooting his drones instead of his ship..
On the whole asking for a fourth medslot just for the Deimos is a little short sighted.. If you're going to assume cap injectors are now must have items in PVP (many people would agree there) then all 3 medslot ships (and to some extend Caldari/Minmatar shieldtankers) need rebalancing.
Really as far as Deimos specific fixes go, it needs slightly lower mass and higher base speed. Make it like 15% faster than a Thorax.
Don't forget that deimos needs its prey close, stable, static or she won't hit cause of bad tracking, keep that in mind.
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.29 11:01:00 -
[1118]
Originally by: Nir
Originally by: Liberator Girl
Originally by: Nir
Deimos is fine, it has the same problem that many 3 medslot ships have nowadays in that it can't fit an injector without sacrificing the MWD, scrambler or web.
However unlike ships similar to it - Zealot for example - it can field 2x heavy webifier drones.. Thus negating the fourth medslot issue.
Of course it can, but then you'll decrease your target's speed at about 50% and in nano-ships era, that's nothing. And don't forget that they can be easily killed.
I'm just giving an example, a similar ship of my race has 0m¦ dronebay and won't be slowing things down by any percentage anytime soon. Deimos has that option at least. While 50% is 25% less than stock med slot webifiers it is still plenty to slow someone down long enough to make the kill. And I imagine a gank fitted Deimos would love people shooting his drones instead of his ship..
On the whole asking for a fourth medslot just for the Deimos is a little short sighted.. If you're going to assume cap injectors are now must have items in PVP (many people would agree there) then all 3 medslot ships (and to some extend Caldari/Minmatar shieldtankers) need rebalancing.
Really as far as Deimos specific fixes go, it needs slightly lower mass and higher base speed. Make it like 15% faster than a Thorax.
First off 2 webbing drones is not 25% less than a tech 1 webby its only half as effective. Also anyone who fits a tech 1 webby to a 160 mill blaster ship is not very bright. Fleeting webs drop a ship to 10% which is a 5th of 2 webber drones. Also a gank fitted deimos is fit for dmg which means he will need some tech II explosive drones not webbing drones.
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Draugz
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.29 11:07:00 -
[1119]
In the last month of pvping in my Deimos (which blew up in the end btw) i noticed the new battlecruisers are the flavor of choice. They are pretty easy to bring down in many cases so tracking isent an issue for the Deimos these days imo.
Only thing i fear in my Deimos is Interceptors, Nos boats and a few other hac's. Ironicly i got blown up by a Dominix i foolishly engaged.
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.29 11:21:00 -
[1120]
Any BC with 2 webbs 2 nos and a half decent tank will own a deimos.
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Djerin
Obsidian Exploration Services
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.01.29 11:25:00 -
[1121]
Originally by: twit brent
Any BC with 2 webbs 2 nos and a half decent tank will own a deimos.
Yes, and of course such a bc would die to anything fighting beyond 10km. That is why there are thousands of them across the EVE universe.
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Exus
Die Trying
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Posted - 2007.01.29 12:28:00 -
[1122]
incrase the PG of the deimos, thanks. damage dealers need grid !
òò
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Draugz
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.29 12:54:00 -
[1123]
Originally by: twit brent
Any BC with 2 webbs 2 nos and a half decent tank will own a deimos.
Any deimos with null in cargo will pwn a bc with dual web and dual med nos.
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Hailstorm
GALAXIAN
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.01.29 16:15:00 -
[1124]
Still needs a little more grid, and more speed. Until then I'll just stick to my eos/astarte.
Fix the deimos please, thx.
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Riho
Red Wrath
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.01.29 16:29:00 -
[1125]
Edited by: Riho on 29/01/2007 16:26:10
Originally by: Hailstorm
Still needs a little more grid, and more speed. Until then I'll just stick to my eos/astarte.
Fix the deimos please, thx.
grid is fine TBH...
my current fit (does ok)
5x ion t2, med dimi nos
mwd, scram, web
mar t2, ean t2, dcu t2, exp hard t2, mag stab t2, 800mm plate
evrything fits close whit AWU4 :)
its quite nice of a fit if u get into a longer fight.. but if theres more than one nos on you its kinda hard to win (allmost got pwned by a damn vex once... he got me to about 25% shields but drained my cap and i couldnt have tanked him :( .. my own nos saved the day there. )
even whit the same PG and CPU the 4th mid would be sweet... and they could remove the 6th high.
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Dash Ripcock
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.29 18:49:00 -
[1126]
One year and one month old huh... and guess what ship I'm sitting in? An Eos. Why? Because I actually sold my Deimos. I don't know anyone who actually flies these things anymore. Not in Outbreak any way.
She's a dinosaur of a forgotten era. With nosferatus, increased HP, EW, new Battlecruisers and rife market inflation there's only one place left for her; a museum.
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Djafa
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Posted - 2007.01.29 19:20:00 -
[1127]
Originally by: Riho
Edited by: Riho on 29/01/2007 16:26:10
Originally by: Hailstorm
Still needs a little more grid, and more speed. Until then I'll just stick to my eos/astarte.
Fix the deimos please, thx.
grid is fine TBH...
my current fit (does ok)
5x ion t2, med dimi nos
mwd, scram, web
mar t2, ean t2, dcu t2, exp hard t2, mag stab t2, 800mm plate
evrything fits close whit AWU4 :)
its quite nice of a fit if u get into a longer fight.. but if theres more than one nos on you its kinda hard to win (allmost got pwned by a damn vex once... he got me to about 25% shields but drained my cap and i couldnt have tanked him :( .. my own nos saved the day there. )
even whit the same PG and CPU the 4th mid would be sweet... and they could remove the 6th high.
No way you can fit this without 2 energy grid rigs.
I've tried it with electrons and i miss 0.5pg with AWU4.
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.29 19:29:00 -
[1128]
Originally by: Dash Ripcock
One year and one month old huh... and guess what ship I'm sitting in? An Eos. Why? Because I actually sold my Deimos. I don't know anyone who actually flies these things anymore. Not in Outbreak any way.
She's a dinosaur of a forgotten era. With nosferatus, increased HP, EW, new Battlecruisers and rife market inflation there's only one place left for her; a museum.
/signed
my 2 deimos are shelved.
currently im flying a nanodomi because its cheaper , more fun, and frankly i feel im sticking my fingers up at ccp who have underpowered the deimos and bizzarely overpowered the domi with there last changes.
currently training for command ships so if ccp does nerf the nanoships i can fly one of them later.
all the deimos needs is -
slight pg boost, better agility, not a lot to ask tbh.
Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar |
Panzer Goddess
Demon's Rage
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.29 20:33:00 -
[1129]
Edited by: Panzer Goddess on 29/01/2007 20:29:31
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 01/12/2005 13:22:36
Deimos: Can dish out formitable damage, but run out of cap just when it reach enemy strukture. After what it dies to drones. 
Originally by: ****y B
However against battleships that do not fit nosferatus or guns ...
you mean, miner BS? 
As soon as RMR hits, 2 nos is mandatory must-have, and 4 nos is recomendable on any engadements that take plase inside 20 to 40km.
with a few select mods, Im been using 2 heavy webber drones instead of combat drones and taking out the webber for a cap booster. Seems to be working quite well, managed to take out a zealot and a vaga, very very close with vaga. Been working good, that dc2 in the lows helps tremendously, specially when you hit structure, you still have that 60 across the board to help stick for a few more rounds lol.
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Panzer Goddess
Demon's Rage
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.29 20:36:00 -
[1130]
Originally by: Djafa
Originally by: Riho
Edited by: Riho on 29/01/2007 16:26:10
Originally by: Hailstorm
Still needs a little more grid, and more speed. Until then I'll just stick to my eos/astarte.
Fix the deimos please, thx.
grid is fine TBH...
my current fit (does ok)
5x ion t2, med dimi nos
mwd, scram, web
mar t2, ean t2, dcu t2, exp hard t2, mag stab t2, 800mm plate
evrything fits close whit AWU4 :)
its quite nice of a fit if u get into a longer fight.. but if theres more than one nos on you its kinda hard to win (allmost got pwned by a damn vex once... he got me to about 25% shields but drained my cap and i couldnt have tanked him :( .. my own nos saved the day there. )
even whit the same PG and CPU the 4th mid would be sweet... and they could remove the 6th high.
No way you can fit this without 2 energy grid rigs.
I've tried it with electrons and i miss 0.5pg with AWU4.
um yeah lol.....I have maxed out skills in all gallente and I cant do that, maybe if I put 2 pg rigs on maybe but, you using all t1, I dont think t2...come on man lol
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Akiman
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Posted - 2007.01.29 21:47:00 -
[1131]
change nothing and move 6th high slot to med slot...if ure saying no...boost every f..kin thing on deimos!!!111oneonesignedeleven
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Dragy
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.01.29 21:52:00 -
[1132]
Actually, if ccp didnt change the high/med slot layout they should change the hac bonus 
Quote:
Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff
into
Quote:
Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 20% Reduction of stacking penality for damage modules
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Dragy
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.01.29 21:55:00 -
[1133]
but then again ... it would decrease the time for fights meaning that ccp would never allow it cause they want this subsystem targetting thingie.
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Arzal
Caldari
Union Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.29 22:24:00 -
[1134]
Fix the deimos! one of the coolest ships arround, though nos is killing a still very expensive ship! and this subsystem thing sounds a little like HW2 to me.
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Damis Zohar
Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2007.02.01 08:54:00 -
[1135]
Been out fo the game for six weeks and have not had a chance to try it but i was going to use my Deimos for small gang stuff only and ditch the scram for a cap booster, So i was wondering if anyone has done this and if so how did it work?
Originally by: Nicocat
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Riho
Red Wrath
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.01 08:58:00 -
[1136]
Originally by: Panzer Goddess
Originally by: Djafa
Originally by: Riho
Edited by: Riho on 29/01/2007 16:26:10
Originally by: Hailstorm
Still needs a little more grid, and more speed. Until then I'll just stick to my eos/astarte.
Fix the deimos please, thx.
grid is fine TBH...
my current fit (does ok)
5x ion t2, med dimi nos
mwd, scram, web
mar t2, ean t2, dcu t2, exp hard t2, mag stab t2, 800mm plate
evrything fits close whit AWU4 :)
its quite nice of a fit if u get into a longer fight.. but if theres more than one nos on you its kinda hard to win (allmost got pwned by a damn vex once... he got me to about 25% shields but drained my cap and i couldnt have tanked him :( .. my own nos saved the day there. )
even whit the same PG and CPU the 4th mid would be sweet... and they could remove the 6th high.
No way you can fit this without 2 energy grid rigs.
I've tried it with electrons and i miss 0.5pg with AWU4.
um yeah lol.....I have maxed out skills in all gallente and I cant do that, maybe if I put 2 pg rigs on maybe but, you using all t1, I dont think t2...come on man lol
2x pg rigs is correct.. forgot to add it to the post :)
and i like the setup enough to put out the isk
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Necroth
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Posted - 2007.02.01 09:02:00 -
[1137]
boost the deimos !!! fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it
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Necroth |
Damis Zohar
Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2007.02.01 09:19:00 -
[1138]
Originally by: Necroth
boost the deimos !!! fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it
Compelling argument!!! How can that not do something now?
But all jokes aside CCP i would like to take my Deimos out without by myself one day so comeon and do us all a favour.
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Necroth
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Posted - 2007.02.01 10:36:00 -
[1139]
Originally by: Damis Zohar
Originally by: Necroth
boost the deimos !!! fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it
Compelling argument!!! How can that not do something now?
But all jokes aside CCP i would like to take my Deimos out without by myself one day so comeon and do us all a favour.
hehe, there is no need for more arguments, all have been allready said.
All we need is to spam now, so this will not be forgotten !
Fix the deimos, ho please fix it. More base speed, more grid, 6th high slot for a med one.
At the age of nos domination, the deimos is so weak.
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Doc Banshee
Amarr
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.01 12:54:00 -
[1140]
Invest in some faction gear and get your deimos capable of solopwn again.
high:
5x t2 ion - null/void
mids:
1x SS 10mn mwd, 1x t2 24km scram, 1x TS medium cap booster
Lows:
2x SS mag field stab, 2x EAN II, 1x Exp II hardner 1x 'meditation' medium armor repairer
Rigs:
2x Polycarbon engine housing
It works for me, and packs a serious punch
Damage mod 11,004something, RoF 2,71
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