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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:25:00 -
[871]
 Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Troubadour
I have to agree with dash. The deimos can't even fit a rack of medium grade weapons (t2 ions) without taking up one of it's lows for an RCU. When I first got hacs I was all excited about the deimos and it's damage bonus and the fact it was a blaster boat. Turns out the ishtar is a better blaster boat, it can also use ECM, and tanks better. I gave up on the deimos along time ago. Until it gets more grid i'm not using it just because it is so frustrating to fit. I'm never happy with it, or comfortable flying it.
Advanced Weapon Upgrades. Train it.
But I do agree. Lets have some bonus for it please? Its getting annoying :p
Lol most of the peeps commenting on this have already done this quite some time ago.... this isn't a thread filled with 2 month old chars you know.
Crap, forgot that. Shows how long they have actually left it.
:/ my bad anyway.
Izo Azlion.
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bgbfdg
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Posted - 2006.09.18 19:54:00 -
[872]
The Deimos is currently acting as an oversized Thorax. It works slightly the same, but it does have a few advantages. Woo.
Other HACs achieve a state where people are arguing about how they can fight it out with battleships. We've just got a nice t1 cruiser out of the HAC deal, only it takes a couple months of training. If the Ishtar sucked I'd be screaming about it(luckily with the current nos/ecm/drone ***** ability, it's actually an awesome ship).
Make the Deimos usable against other HACs, and I mean really USABLE.
Enough PG to fit full medium guns and an MWD without a fitting mod, not more than that but enough to put a rep on too would be nice and not unbalanced at all.
Higher base speed and agility.
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Svenholio
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Posted - 2006.09.18 20:52:00 -
[873]
THe thorax was my first ship that i REALLY wanted, and ever since I learned of the Deimos, that was what I wanted to progress too. I really hope it is not so ineffective by the time i can get into it, another 1.5 months.
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Tuschii
Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.09.21 16:16:00 -
[874]
Originally by: Svenholio
THe thorax was my first ship that i REALLY wanted, and ever since I learned of the Deimos, that was what I wanted to progress too. I really hope it is not so ineffective by the time i can get into it, another 1.5 months.
My dilemma exactly. 
TUX, more pg, more speed, more agility come on.....s'go.
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.21 16:58:00 -
[875]
Originally by: bgbfdg
The Deimos is currently acting as an oversized Thorax. It works slightly the same, but it does have a few advantages. Woo.
Other HACs achieve a state where people are arguing about how they can fight it out with battleships. We've just got a nice t1 cruiser out of the HAC deal, only it takes a couple months of training. If the Ishtar sucked I'd be screaming about it(luckily with the current nos/ecm/drone ***** ability, it's actually an awesome ship).
Make the Deimos usable against other HACs, and I mean really USABLE.
Enough PG to fit full medium guns and an MWD without a fitting mod, not more than that but enough to put a rep on too would be nice and not unbalanced at all.
Higher base speed and agility.
The deimos is not an oversized thorax, it can definetly not be classed as a HAC IMO, its stats are more in line with a faction ship and I saw the vigilant out perform the deimos in many cases due to the 4 mids over 3..
Critical points why the deimos SUX:
Thorax speed 180 - 10 = Deimos Speed 170
Thorax sig radius 140 + 20 = Deimos sig radius 160
Thorax PG 820 + 40 = Deimos PG 860
Thorax CPU 300 + 30 = Deimos CPU 330
Thorax Slots 5/3/5 + 1 HI + 1 LOW = Deimos Slots 6/3/6 (should have been 1 MED and 1 LOW)
Thorax Sensor strength 15 = Deimos Sensor strength 15
Thorax Scan Resolution 225mm = Deimos Scan Resolution 225mm
Deimos is simply a thorax thats been gimped and then pimped again with T2 resist and an additional +25% dmg bonus, without the T2 resists it carely cuts it to be classified as a faction ship.. compared to other HACs it sux!!
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.23 08:40:00 -
[876]
Another issue that effects Deimos: Heavy Neutron Blaster
Raw DPS of Deimos with:
5 Heavy Neutron Blaster IIs (AM) + 2 Mag Stabs = 483
5 Heavy Ion Blaster IIs (AM) + 2 Mag Stabs = 454
PG requirement of:
Heavy Neutron Blaster II = 212
Heavy Ion Blaster II = 158
Either reduce PG requirement of Heavy Neutron Blasters or up their dmg output so its not only a 29 DPS gain (with AM ammo) for the sacrefice of 100s of PG!
This is a seperate issue and wont fix the deimos (which has already problems fitting full Ions), but it is an issue that effects the deimos first hand.
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Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.09.23 09:01:00 -
[877]
Why does everyone want to fit Ions and Neutrons? Electrons work just fine for me...
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.23 09:05:00 -
[878]
Originally by: Grez
Why does everyone want to fit Ions and Neutrons? Electrons work just fine for me...
Ions cause of the range with Null against AC-boats, but you are right: 5x Heavy Ion Blaster IIs + 2 Mag Stab = 423 Raw DPS..
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Cuckoo
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Posted - 2006.09.23 11:33:00 -
[879]
/signed
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Hellraiza666
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.23 12:26:00 -
[880]
Boost deimos please, i want to pwn ships even more 
More speed and grid please. WOuld be lovely thanks.
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.23 13:11:00 -
[881]
Originally by: Grez
Why does everyone want to fit Ions and Neutrons? Electrons work just fine for me...
Some of us like having a high damage mod... Its a fast get in, get out gank ship... and its not performing as it should...
If we had a bit more grid, dropped a high for a medium, I'd happily fit a Cap booster and be booster-reliant...
Izo Azlion.
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.09.23 14:06:00 -
[882]
I dont know any other HACs which need faction fitting to have a chance on toe to toe stand against counterparts with only T2 gear! 
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Bazman
Caldari
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2006.09.23 14:08:00 -
[883]
Has anyone seen tuxypoo lately?
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Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
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GO MaZ
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.23 16:27:00 -
[884]
Originally by: Bazman
Has anyone seen tuxypoo lately?
This thread has scared him off 
He probably boosted the PG and agility / speed a couple of weeks ago and has just been playing with the damn thing ever since, I know I would 
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Kamate
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Posted - 2006.09.23 18:11:00 -
[885]
As i have interjected over and over in this thread from time to time the deimos is borked to hell. To be honest i prefer to fly a brutix or cheapo thorax over my deimos....depending on the kit it is every bit as effective in most situations as a deimos and a hell of a lot cheaper.
Just trained up an astarte as the deimos is broken....astarte is more what the deimos should be and the deimos is too close to a thorax for the additional 180 mill.
Just not worth it till it gets some love.
Please Tux for the love of blaster lovers everywhere.....fix it.
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Wicked Wisdom
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.23 19:19:00 -
[886]
Originally by: Bazman
Has anyone seen tuxypoo lately?
Hes busy getting whipped by the other Devs over how much the Hyperion sucks...
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Dark Alex
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Posted - 2006.09.23 22:42:00 -
[887]
Yeah.
I want it to have 200m/s speed at least, that would be fair. Good agility.
Grid to fit neutrons with deacent tank or ions with really nice tank.
Devs should and will boost it in new patch. They MUST!
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Waragha
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.09.23 22:45:00 -
[888]
Full ions, med nos, std meds.
med rep, 800mm and else normal in lows.
Is that so much to ask? :)
Originally by: Trepkos
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The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
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Cuckoo
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Posted - 2006.09.23 23:21:00 -
[889]
why the hell wont tuxford reply to this OR the amarr 1
kinda frustrating..
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Nahia Senne
Fortunis Novum
Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.23 23:27:00 -
[890]
Originally by: Cuckoo
why the hell wont tuxford reply to this OR the amarr 1
kinda frustrating..
because it will start a flame fest and turn a 30 page thread into 130 page thread.
for now, best you can do is keep this thread on the main page.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.24 00:48:00 -
[891]
Originally by: Waragha
Full ions, med nos, std meds.
med rep, 800mm and else normal in lows.
Is that so much to ask? :)
Hey, where do you have my setup from? 
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Damis Zohar
Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.09.24 09:55:00 -
[892]
Currently the Demios is nothing more than an expensive dust collector. 
A full set of ions,mwd and a decent tank is not too much to ask for is it?
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Jasmine Dupre
Sha Kharn Corp
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.24 12:09:00 -
[893]
/signed
I still havent used mine, Vigilant is currently way better!
Fix please
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Das Yad
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.25 02:50:00 -
[894]
Give her some love ♥ electrons just dont cut the mustard. they're nice on my mega but i can run a full dual repper setup on there.
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.25 07:20:00 -
[895]
Originally by: Das Yad
Give her some love ♥ electrons just dont cut the mustard. they're nice on my mega but i can run a full dual repper setup on there.
TBH if deimos got more PG I would still fit electrons (they do just 60 less DPS compared to neutrons, not to forget 5x Neutrons + 1 RCU + 1 Mag Stab < 5x Ions + 2 Mag Stab) and then fit a second med rep, ditch the web and fit a cap booster instead. The bigger blasters need a boost in dmg IMO, especially neutrons...
If deimos gets both PG and speed/agility, I'd go with a completely different setup, including 3 mag stabs and neutrons.
Atm though she moves more like a pregnant cow and my brutix out dmg or out tanks (depending on setup) the deimos by a recognisable margin.
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Jazz Bo
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.25 12:03:00 -
[896]
Signed.
As much as I love the Deimos, it's definitely gimped compared to the other tier 2 HACs.
It should be +20m/s faster, have a tiny bit more grid, and really, it should have had a fourth med slot instead of the fairly useless Nos slot (useless because Nos are hard to fit and it already has too little grid).
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2006.09.25 12:22:00 -
[897]
Edited by: Miklas Laces on 25/09/2006 12:24:49
Edited by: Miklas Laces on 25/09/2006 12:24:06
Edited by: Miklas Laces on 25/09/2006 12:23:14
In my opinion, the Deimos with maxed engineering skills should be able to fit the following:
HIGH: 5x Ion II, 1x Med Nos
MED: 1x Mwd
LOW: 1x MAR, 1x 800mm Plate
With AWU5, the above items need 710+175+150+173+200 = 1408 PG
The Deimos has 1075 PG, so I would increase its grid by 350.
Some may say it's too much, okay. Currently the Deimos can fit Blasters + Mwd + Repper, period. Give it at least the chance to fit a Nosferatu OR a Plate OR a Cap Booster, with a 180 powergrid boost.
And while you're there, give it more base speed OR more agility OR a smaller sig radius.
Bah, I probably just wasted 480 bytes.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.09.25 13:07:00 -
[898]
30m/sec speed increase
mass decrease
350 pg increase
40 CPU increase
Deimos should be able to fit this:
5x ion II, 1x med nos
MWD, web, 20km
MAR II, 1x explosive II, 1x EANM II, 2x MFS II, 1x 800mm
only this will make it on par with HAC's like the zealot and the vaga
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Frools
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.25 14:40:00 -
[899]
Originally by: Miklas Laces
Some may say it's too much, okay. Currently the Deimos can fit Blasters + Mwd + Repper, period. Give it at least the chance to fit a Nosferatu OR a Plate OR a Cap Booster, with a 180 powergrid boost.
And while you're there, give it more base speed OR more agility OR a smaller sig radius.
that is a bit too much, a zealot cant fit 4 heavy pulse + nos + 800mm + mar with an AB
you should imo only be able to fit 3 of 4: mwd, nos, plate, mar
so if you want to plate you have to drop nos or mar
i know i cant put anything bigger than a 200mm plate on my zealot with a mwd without grid mods 
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2006.09.25 15:08:00 -
[900]
Originally by: Frools
Originally by: Miklas Laces
Currently the Deimos can fit Blasters + Mwd + Repper, period. Give it at least the chance to fit a Nosferatu OR a Plate OR a Cap Booster, with a 180 powergrid boost.
that is a bit too much, a zealot cant fit 4 heavy pulse + nos + 800mm + mar with an AB
you should imo only be able to fit 3 of 4: mwd, nos, plate, mar
so if you want to plate you have to drop nos or mar
Exactly what I said, I want to be able to fit 3 of 4: mwd, nos, plate, mar. It would be ok.
Btw the Zealot can fit ab, nos, plate and mar with 3x heavy pulse and 1x focused pulse.
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