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V0idz
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2007.02.05 17:26:00 -
[1171]
...fix it, kthnx.
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Kunming
Outcasts
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Posted - 2007.02.05 18:27:00 -
[1172]
 Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: Pord
You'd think after so many post and people crying for it to be fixed it would have been by now
Spoiled children cry, if the car they got was in the wrong color. Are you such a child?
So caldari must be spoilt children since they used to object alot on these forums.
And according to your logic, Amarr are spoilt kids too..
And ofcourse there are no arguements, maths and discussions in this thread we are simply all crying to make the deimos a solo-wtfpwn-mobile.. thank you, thank you so much you have opened my vision and brought us sinners on the right track
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.02.05 18:37:00 -
[1173]
*hint* all the other blasterboats are easily heavily tanked/focussed on heavy tank
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lu ma
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Posted - 2007.02.05 18:40:00 -
[1174]
Deimos is not a solo pawn machine..,Period.
Go and find ya selves a tackler..so stop crying for 40 pages...
I am sick & tired to read complains ,just becouse every Gal pilot wanna fly their every single ship Solo.!
haq aan
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haq aan
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Posted - 2007.02.05 18:41:00 -
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Deimos is not a solo pawn machine..,Period.
Go and find ya selves a tackler..so stop crying for 40 pages...
I am sick & tired to read complains ,just becouse every Gal pilot wanna fly their every single ship Solo.!
haq aan
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haq aan
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Posted - 2007.02.05 18:42:00 -
[1176]
^^^^^ Stupid alt ruined my flame :(
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Kunming
Outcasts
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Posted - 2007.02.05 18:51:00 -
[1177]
Originally by: haq aan
^^^^^ Stupid alt ruined my flame :(
No you ruined yourself by triple posting
Though a serious reply is indeed needed for this, in a gang your target is already dead before you can get in range and you dont have enough fitting for rails really.
@Deathb.- Heavy tanking, how? No 4th med for cap booster, not enough PG for cap booster or med NOS or plates and dual med rep etc... Besides look at sacrilege, a tanking ship, and see how favourable it is. Blasterboats used to "DPS-tank" (aka kill before getting killed), this was made obsolete in KALI and deimos got even more worthless. The ship needs speed to get in/out of range earlier (at least as fast as the thorax, NO other HAC is slower than its T1 counterpart afaik), and more PG to fit a decent fitting.
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FireMonk
Caldari
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.02.05 19:25:00 -
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1) the thing about other blaster ships is that they can either tank OR gank or make a happy medium. Deimos can only really gank... trying to tank a deimos honestly is asking for to be killed and a to make a happy medium it needs more powergrid.
2) Agility and speed. Needs more agility and its speed needs higher although only by a little bit.
I wonder if the devs are even looking at this thread anymore? it's over a year old and still going... WE WANT OUR CHANGES!
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Durethia
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.05 19:26:00 -
[1179]
Edited by: Durethia on 05/02/2007 19:28:10
Originally by: haq aan
Deimos is not a solo pawn machine..,Period.
Go and find ya selves a tackler..so stop crying for 40 pages...
I am sick & tired to read complains ,just becouse every Gal pilot wanna fly their every single ship Solo.!
haq aan
What you don't understand is that few Deimos pilots ever do anything solo. Most of the time, they are in a gang environment. Which, includes tacklers or other nifty things. WE ARE STILL COMPLAINING!
Here's what happens.
Deimos pilot warps in with gang. He rarely ever lands within 10KM of any target. All targets are 15-30KM away. He first has to make a choice, who is the closest enemy? So he picks one, and attempts to get close. As he starts to activate his blasters, enemy is dead. So, 15KM in one direction, the Deimos pilot finds himself 30-40KM away from all others who are also trying to get away.
Deimos pilots have a hard time with "primary", they often have to make a choice of "Do I even bother with 'primary' as he's 50KM away? Or, how about this BS that's only 10KM away?"
Deimos pilots, frequently, spend most of their time trying to get close to an enemy, while in a gang environment. There has been many times where through out the entire engagement, I never was able to get within 10KM of anyone. If it weren't for my drones, then I would not have been any help DPS wise.
Deimos pilots are largely frustrated with these problems. Us Deimos pilots understand our ship isn't cut out for solo work; only three mid slots. We are complaining, becuase the Deimos doesn't shine so bright even WHEN IN A GANG WITH TACKLERS.
WHAT WE NEED IS...
A single MWD boost last about 10 seconds, give or take. I want my Deimos to be at MAX SPEED 4-5 seconds into the first boost including having to initiate a 180 degree turn.
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Durethia
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.05 20:28:00 -
[1180]
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Speed and Agility....
Who brings a 3 med slot blaster boat to a fight anyway?
The deimos has one use and that's the rail setup for very specific gang warfare, you could add 50% more agility and speed it would still fail as a blastership imho.
None of the blaster boats have a high number of mid slots. Blaster boats are supposed to be in a gang, and not solo. The slot layout of the Deimos is just fine, three mid slots is OK. You fit MWD, Webber, and some type of capacitor related module. You don't ever need a warp scram, thinking you do is a dellusion that your ship is an interceptor; unless ofcourse, it happens to be just that. You can even swap out the webber for other EW modules, like a tracking disruptor. ECM can be handled by the special drones as far as I'm concerned.
If the Deimos had considerably more agility, that would single handidly shut this thread up. All other issues would have less following. As I said in an earlier post, with powergrid rigs, the Deimos doesn't have much problem fitting all cruiser modules.
It's biggest problem now is the fact it can't close distance quick enough. It's tank is ok, when considering it's a blaster boat and atleast two low slots are garunteed to be Mag Stabs. With good cap skills, pretty much anything other than a amarr recon, or nos Domi or vamp phoon will not do much through out the duration of the fight. The Ishtar might, just becuase it's a NOS'ing HAC, but truthfully, what made the Ishtar so deadly was back in the day when T2 Multispecs garunteed successful jams. I bet, the number of Ishtars landing on the killboards as victims have greatly increased; just becuase it can't use ECM as well nowadays.
In a gang environment, specific things should be represented by the gang members. The tacklers have Web and Scrams. Recons can specialize in their roles like ECM, NOS, Webb and Scram at extended ranges and degrees. Well, the Deimos is the hammer of the group, if everyone else does their job, the Deimos can get in there and beat the victim like a red-headed step child. He doesn't need a warp scram or any of that crap.
Infact, even if going solo. The Deimos can push out enough damage to destroy some BCs before they can align to warp out... I've done it before. But it takes enourmous luck to come out of warp 2KM directly above the target... (target, activate blasters release drones... wait for target to lock and laugh.)
But, as usual, you come out of warp and the closest target is 20KM to 40KM away. And, it takes the Deimos way too long to close distance. This fact, is the main reason why the Deimos might "suck". I guess that's why they are often primary, get one of the heavy damage dealers out of the way quick before it can get close to someone.
If it could close distance faster, a lot of people will be screaming over TS, "ZOMG the Deimos is here and hitting me hard!!! HELPZ)RS!!1!"
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Ihar Enda
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.05 20:35:00 -
[1181]
Originally by: Durethia
If the Deimos had considerably more agility, that would single handidly shut this thread up. All other issues would have less following. As I said in an earlier post, with powergrid rigs, the Deimos doesn't have much problem fitting all cruiser modules.
So you're saying that it's ok that a 140 mil ship *needs* 2x 60 mil mods just to function properly? 
It's almost as bad as fitting a 80 mil cloak into a 60 mil worth recon.
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FireMonk
Caldari
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.02.05 23:07:00 -
[1182]
shall we all agree on the same thing then start screaming at CCP to fix our beloved ship?
What do we want? WE WANT HIGHER AGILITY AND MORE PG.
When do we want it? NOW!!!!
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Pordy
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Posted - 2007.02.06 09:49:00 -
[1183]
Quite frankly yes it does do alot of damage but when you can consider taking a blaster eagle (beagle) which can tank and deal alot of damage why would you risk a deimos most of the time?
An eagle can fit 4 ion IIs; 2 medium nos, tank, web, scram and mwd in mids; also then have damage mods etc on low without the need of powergrid rigs which leaves you to put better tanking on rigs if you want.
Can the deimos do all this? NO! It can fit a comprimise of a tank/gank with the use of 2 60mill powergrid rigs taking up thouse two slots. A Nos boat will stop you shooting way to fast compared to eagle with 2 nos.
The main two things are speed/agility as atm it feels like a battleship and more powergrid to allow us (without the need of rigs) to atleast fit a tank and ion IIs like all orhter blaster ships.
The deimos is SLOWER than the thorax! Only other ship that is slower than its T1 counterpart is the cerberus but since its a missile boat and has a very nice range with its missiles it doesnt need the speed to get in range to do the damage. What good is a blaster if you cant get in range? Sure can be high damage but if ur not in range u cant do any damage. As for people who say use rails..... ok where is the powergrid to realistically fit them properly?
The powergrid only gets a small increase of around 3.6% and 10% for the CPU with max electronics/engineering. The CPU isnt a problem as there is still spare but the opwergrid is lacking LOTS.
As for people asking for another mid slot. Yeah this would be nice but you have to see the other main issues first. If need be we can drop a web and use webber drones etc but with the speed issue as it is this needs to be sorted first
Im not asking for a solo pwn mobile just some improvements to make it a viable ship.
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Ihar Enda
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.11 19:10:00 -
[1184]
hello?
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:26:00 -
[1185]
Close range ships have problems when:
1) Is retardedly slow and has bad agility
2) Has very weak tank
3) Very vunerable to nos
4) Very vunerable to webbs
5) Is very hard to fit
6) no versitility
Its DPS is good I will admit that but for a close range ship its tank is nothing short of crap.
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Ciphero
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:16:00 -
[1186]
Lowered mass (really use that MWD bonus) and enough grid to at least fit Ion IIs and a reasonable tank.
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Breed Love
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:19:00 -
[1187]
deimos is worthless in a medium to large sized gang. thus the only way to give it a role is to make it a decent solo ship. which means 4th midslot.
Originally by: Wrangler
We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other! 
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Natsuki Kugah
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Posted - 2007.02.13 20:24:00 -
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I m really a newb in eve but my goal was to fly a deimos. because i loved the thorax in every way and HACS looked lıke the thing i would like later... now i see this i read of lot of other threads about deimos too and i m really sad.
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Grytok
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Posted - 2007.02.26 12:17:00 -
[1189]
As I just finished Gallente Cruiser LvL 5, I was looking into the HACs even more closely.
So I started to think about a decent setup for the Deimos (QuickFit ftw), because I really love Blasterboats.
The first and a thousand times announced issue was the PG of the Deimos. I checked on that, and with a 10% PG-Rig and AWU LvL 3, it's quiet nice and I can fit 5x Ion II, Med Dim NOS, MWD, MAR II and a 400mm RT Plate. Or change the Med NOS for a CapInjector and fit a Small NOS.
Next thing I was looking into was the achieved Speed, to get in close.
170m/sec Basespeed?!? 10m/sec slower than the Thorax?!? It's the slowest HAC in the whole game I discovered 
OK, on with the MWD, it's about 1500m/sec (my Skills included). Turn on MWD, the SigRadius explodes, but... WTF?!?
The Deimos has the biggest SigRadius of all HACs
A Ship that is ment to fit a MWD to get in range close, is the slowest, with the biggest SigRadius and then on Top of that the worst Agility, as I discovered in the end as well?!?
C'mon, you really gotta be kidding
PG is not the problem, while so many are complaining about it. The real Problem is, that the intended Role of this ship, does not match any of the Stats, that go along with this Role.
We need more Speed, Agility and lower SigRadius. Period!
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Riggers Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.26 12:31:00 -
[1190]
Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: Pord
You'd think after so many post and people crying for it to be fixed it would have been by now
Spoiled children cry, if the car they got was in the wrong color. Are you such a child?
So caldari must be spoilt children since they used to object alot on these forums.
And according to your logic, Amarr are spoilt kids too..
And ofcourse there are no arguements, maths and discussions in this thread we are simply all crying to make the deimos a solo-wtfpwn-mobile.. thank you, thank you so much you have opened my vision and brought us sinners on the right track
Sorry, had a bad day that day 
Back on topic. If the Deimos sucks at close range, why not fit rails then? Especially since the MWD seems to kill it (from the above posts).
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Phoenicia
Macabre Votum
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.26 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Back on topic. If the Deimos sucks at close range, why not fit rails then? Especially since the MWD seems to kill it (from the above posts).
You wouldn't say that if you tried it. Its impossible to fit 250mm rail T2's. Difficult to fit 200mm rail T2's (impossible if you want NOS in that last highslot).
I've tried a Deimos with dual 150mm T2's. It wasn't pretty.
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Ziu
Wraith Recondite
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Posted - 2007.02.26 12:43:00 -
[1192]
This must be the most overdue boost for some time. The Cerb got it and became teh ubar, as did the Nighthawk, as did the .. okay the Sacrilege just became a little less awful.
Come on CCP, the Deimos is one of the most potential-filled ships in the game as far as fun goes, if you'd just tweak it a little bit to put it on the level of the other well-adjusted HACs!
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Riggers Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.26 13:16:00 -
[1193]
Originally by: Ziu
Come on CCP, the Deimos is one of the most potential-filled ships in the game as far as fun goes, if you'd just tweak it a little bit to put it on the level of the other well-adjusted HACs!
Like the Zealot 
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SEN 5243
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Posted - 2007.02.26 14:02:00 -
[1194]
Edited by: SEN 5243 on 26/02/2007 13:59:14
We want higher agility and more powergrid !!111
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Sadist
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.26 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: FireMonk
shall we all agree on the same thing then start screaming at CCP to fix our beloved ship?
What do we want? WE WANT HIGHER AGILITY AND MORE PG.
When do we want it? NOW!!!!
Agreed. More agility please, and +20 m/s base speed. Base PG needs to be at least 1000.
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xHalcyonx
Amarr
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2007.04.06 04:12:00 -
[1196]
Fix this beautiful ship already!
Don't lock this thread, it isn't a Necro.
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Paigan
Amarr
Katsu Corporation
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.04.06 06:37:00 -
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Right. especially the speed thing is hardly understandable.
The ishtar, which doesn't have to give a damn about getting close fast because of its drones, is pretty fast. While on the other hand, the deimos, which literally lives from getting in range fast is pretty slow.
Makes no sense.
A SLOW blaster boat?
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Kai Lae
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.06 06:38:00 -
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IMO what the deimos could really use is to remove the utility high and instead add a mid. Really blaster ships need a cap injector and tackle equipment; take a look at any megaT's mids and you'll see that. Many don't even bother putting anything in this slot at any rate. I actually do, and I think 4 mids would be far more useful.
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Fluffernator
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Posted - 2007.04.06 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: Fluffernator on 06/04/2007 06:59:56
The deimos is fine as is! Listen, you can either fit a tank and not so much dps, or if you have a good gang with good EW etc, you can fit full out gank and do like 800 dps!! This is completely in line with all the other hacs. And complaining about 10 m/s less velocity? Look, the ship is still rather quick. Its no interceptor. It is what they call HEAVY assault ship. To me, it makes perfect sense that its a bit slower. I dare say that the deimos might be a little imbalanced at the moment. It out damages many races battleships, and its a cruiser?
Oh, and if they make the deimos any faster I might cry. Its already freakin fast, I dont understand what the fuss is about. Try piloting an eagle or something. The ship is not an interceptor, get over it. I can't believe pilots are whining on here that their deimos only does 1500 m/s? Whats the problem, annoyed that you can't close instantly on a sniper and kill him? Annoyed that other ships might, just might have a fighting chance?
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Arzal
Caldari
Union Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.30 22:18:00 -
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i would rather have the extra mid instead of that pretty much useless high slot (which is currently filled with a small nos.... because its impossible to fit anything else)but i do worry from another point of view that it would make it a little imba.... though on the other hand the ship does die to nos... like lambs to the slaughter.
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