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Techyon
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Posted - 2006.03.22 17:07:00 -
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20 ? ------
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Harper04
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Posted - 2006.03.22 18:53:00 -
[392]
another 13 AFTER the blaster changes come into effect...
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sgt spike
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Posted - 2006.03.22 19:46:00 -
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i gotta say im surprised theres still no dev response yet but i think its possible that a blaster change may just fix the deimos as a reduction in cap use and pg use will free up grid for that medium nos we all know we deserve
can you put a price on peace? |
sakana
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Posted - 2006.03.22 20:38:00 -
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bump, this needs to be sorted
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Bratak Matamulk
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Posted - 2006.03.22 21:13:00 -
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BUMP...please fix the deimos or blasters in general! Please. Broken.
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.03.22 21:23:00 -
[396]
Originally by: Bratak Matamulk BUMP...please fix the deimos or blasters in general! Please. Broken.
at least Large Blasters are getting fixed, small dont realy need a boost, and medium are ok as well, the isssue isnt with blasters but with the deimos itsefl
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sgt spike
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Posted - 2006.03.23 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan239
Originally by: Bratak Matamulk BUMP...please fix the deimos or blasters in general! Please. Broken.
at least Large Blasters are getting fixed, small dont realy need a boost, and medium are ok as well, the isssue isnt with blasters but with the deimos itsefl
if medium blasters are ok why does everyone have to fit a cap booster on a brutix? 7 blasters eat yer cap in 0.3 seconds deimos suffers similar but not quite as severe problems
can you put a price on peace? |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.23 08:02:00 -
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Deimos doesn't suffer as badly cause it doesn't get the mwd penalty and has battleship lvl cap recharge ( as do all other HACs ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Valigis
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Posted - 2006.03.23 09:18:00 -
[399]
bump.
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Gary Goat
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Posted - 2006.03.23 19:07:00 -
[400]
Bump
Everything else has been said already
Devs please read |
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2006.03.23 19:18:00 -
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Last post! Dont just complain, do something. Channel macrointel meet with likeminded folks, spottings,intel |
Kamate
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Posted - 2006.03.24 00:39:00 -
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BUMP...BUMP
It would seem that we are going after the squeaky wheel getting the grease theory here.
14 pages of discussion about this has to give some substantiation to the arguments herein.
Hopefully we will get a dev response soon, even if it only says "go to hell and stop posting about the deimos!!!" Anything would be better than the silence and bumps!!
We all wait with baited breath for a response from those on high with the power to fix the deimos, devs...please look this way!! Please!!
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Harper04
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Posted - 2006.03.24 04:54:00 -
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/emote pushes his "Easy" button (for those who've seen that commercial)...get back on the first page!
Bump.
Btw, if no dev response about the deimos, at least gimme details on the blaster fix.
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Harper04
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Posted - 2006.03.24 05:00:00 -
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Edited by: Harper04 on 24/03/2006 05:00:41 double post 4tl
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Jacob Majestic
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Posted - 2006.03.24 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: sgt spike if medium blasters are ok why does everyone have to fit a cap booster on a brutix?
Because we like to run dual reps? Those soak cap like crazy.
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Aramova
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Posted - 2006.03.24 07:47:00 -
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/signed, this needs to be looked at. Blasters in general need a rework, Medium and Large blasters need CPU/PG droped a bit compaired to other ships ---
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Theron Gyrow
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Posted - 2006.03.24 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kamate 14 pages of discussion about this has to give some substantiation to the arguments herein.
Well, no. The amount of discussion doesn't say anything about the substance. In this case, however, I completely agree: Deimos is just too slow, clumsy and difficult to fit and a huge target to boot.
-- Gradient's forum |
Felxia
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Posted - 2006.03.26 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aramova /signed, this needs to be looked at. Blasters in general need a rework, Medium and Large blasters need CPU/PG droped a bit compaired to other ships
think the devs are looking into it.
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Miklas Laces
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Posted - 2006.03.27 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford Didn't know Deimos needed love but it should be easier to fix after blaster love.
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Harper04
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Posted - 2006.03.27 20:26:00 -
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Blasters' grid reduction and cap usage reduction (both things said to be being done w/blaster boost) would go a LONG way toward fixing the deimos IMO. Tiny bit more cpu and maybe 5-10 m/s faster too, and I'd be in heaven.
For those questioning the medium blasters, Tux said in another thread that the blaster boost would help the deimos, so yes, medium sized blasters are getting boosted too...not just larges!
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2006.03.27 20:47:00 -
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I hope that is the case, but to be honest I think a boost to signature and speed would have been better. I find the hardest part of flying a deimos in the appoach. Perhaps being able to fit a better tank or getting more damage will make up for that tough.
//No Pro Gallente RP, no Coreli & Cyrene anymore\\ |
Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2006.03.27 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Dash Ripcock on 27/03/2006 20:50:27
To be honest, a slight increase in velocity and agility coupled with the same signature radius as the Thorax (20m difference means 100m with an MWD - nothing to be sniffed at) would, with blaster changes, make the Deimos the king of close-range combat. The way it was meant to be.
Save The Deimos |
Harper04
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Posted - 2006.03.27 20:58:00 -
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The agility I honestly don't mind quite as much...though that may be due to my blasterthron use. Bit lower of a sig radius would be great though.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2006.03.28 00:23:00 -
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It can be a real pig if you need to pin someone down without much time. If she had the same statistics as the Thorax (although in principle they should be better, she is Tech 2 after all) she would be far less frustrating to fly.
Save The Deimos |
Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2006.03.28 01:08:00 -
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Rupture/Muninn
PG: 860 / 950 = 10.5% INCREASE CPU: 325 / 355 = 9.23% INCREASE Sig Radius: 130 / 130 = 0% Velocity: 200 / 204 = 2% INCREASE
TOTAL FITTING INCREASE: 19.73%
Stabber/Vagabond
PG: 700 / 855 = 22.1% INCREASE CPU: 300 / 395 = 31.7% INCREASE Sig Radius: 105 / 115 = 9.52% INCREASE Velocity: 235 / 242 = 2.98% INCREASE
TOTAL FITTING INCREASE: 53.8%
Vexor/Ishtar
PG: 675 / 700 = 3.8% INCREASE CPU: 270 / 285 = 5.5% INCREASE Sig Radius: 150 / 145 = 3.33% DECREASE Velocity: 170 / 190 = 11.8% INCREASE
TOTAL FITTING INCREASE: 9.3%
Thorax/Deimos
PG: 820 / 860 = 4.8% INCREASE CPU: 300 / 330 = 10% INCREASE Sig Radius: 140 / 160 = 14.3% INCREASE Velocity: 180 / 170 = 5.55% DECREASE
TOTAL FITTING INCREASE: 14.8%
Omen/Zealot
PG: 730 / 1090 = 49.3% INCREASE CPU: 250 / 315 = 26.0% INCREASE Sig Radius: 125 / 125 = 0% Velocity: 190 / 215 = 13.2% INCREASE
TOTAL FITTING INCREASE: 75.3%
Maller/Sacrilege
PG: 900 / 1000 = 11.1% INCREASE CPU: 280 / 320 = 14.3% INCREASE Sig Radius: 130 / 140 = 7.69% INCREASE Velocity: 175 / 175 = 0%
TOTAL FITTING INCREASE: 25.4%
Caracal/Cerberus
PG: 530 / 635 = 19.8% INCREASE CPU: 350 / 440 = 25.7% INCREASE Sig Radius: 145 / 135 = 6.90% DECREASE Velocity: 187 / 185 = 1.07% DECREASE
TOTAL FITTING INCREASE: 45.5%
Moa/Eagle
PG: 780 / 875 = 12.2% INCREASE CPU: 360 / 438 = 21.7% INCREASE Sig Radius: 135 / 150 = 11.1% INCREASE Velocity: 175 / 175 = 0%
TOTAL FITTING INCREASE: 33.9%
Key:
Green = Boost Red = Penalty Blue = No Change Gold = Figures of Interest
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So, what to conclude? From the figures we can see the Deimos has: [1] The lowest velocity of all the HACs [2] The highest sig-radius of all the HACs [3] The second-lowest increase in fitting of all the HACs
One can only assume the idea of increasing the sig radius and lowering the velocity was to counter for the fact that she has an MWD bonus, and as a result will be using it nearly all of the time. Why then, considering the MWD is a fairly extensive piece of equipment to fit, does she have the second-lowest increase in fitting with the lowest being the Ishtar - a ship that benefits from an enormous boost in drone capabilities?
The closest comparison is the Vagabond, and whilst it doesn't have the same bonus for the MWD, it does have a lot more velocity, much easier fitting and lower-cap weapons. If the Deimos will be forced into using an MWD then she must be able to fit a loadout around that. Giving her such a small power-grid boost over the Thorax doesn't allow this, hence her being forced to use either Electron Blasters, Electron/Ion mixtures or Ion setups that require a power mod and/or the loss of a utility slot.
Save The Deimos |
Kunming
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Posted - 2006.03.28 16:52:00 -
[416]
Shameless Bump!..
I dont know why the devs keep ignoring this topic
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Alex Tantra
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:06:00 -
[417]
+1 Hi-Slot +1 Low-Slot
Fitting should reflect this...
Show her some wuv!!! _________________________________________________________
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:14:00 -
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Hi dear CCP devs. /flaming-usless-rant
I think its so unfair that someone can actually fit something that can beat my setup and ship. Plz plz plz make Zealots have 99,9% resistances, unlimitied pg,cpu, and a base speed of 9000000m/s. And plzplzplz nerf anyone else, i got killed one time and i dont want that to happen again !!!!!
/flaming-useless-rant ---------------------------------------------- No sig due to the 1byte 1 pixel limit.
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Harper04
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: MrMorph Hi dear CCP devs. /flaming-usless-rant
I think its so unfair that someone can actually fit something that can beat my setup and ship. Plz plz plz make Zealots have 99,9% resistances, unlimitied pg,cpu, and a base speed of 9000000m/s. And plzplzplz nerf anyone else, i got killed one time and i dont want that to happen again !!!!!
/flaming-useless-rant
Pretty sure this thread is about deimos's...not zealots . If you're gonna flame, at least get the ship right lol...and thanks for the bump to this topic.
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Aramova
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Posted - 2006.03.28 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Harper04
Originally by: MrMorph Hi dear CCP devs. /flaming-usless-rant
I think its so unfair that someone can actually fit something that can beat my setup and ship. Plz plz plz make Zealots have 99,9% resistances, unlimitied pg,cpu, and a base speed of 9000000m/s. And plzplzplz nerf anyone else, i got killed one time and i dont want that to happen again !!!!!
/flaming-useless-rant
Pretty sure this thread is about deimos's...not zealots . If you're gonna flame, at least get the ship right lol...and thanks for the bump to this topic.
No kidding there... ---
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