I'm still trying to figure out why a Golem with cruise missiles needs webifier bonuses. I'm not saying that it shouldn't, I'm just lost as to why any thought process would lead to this. For the love of baby Joveus can someone explain it to me?

First, there are focus complain based on the class name. Sub-cap Industrial ships lack any productivity use, they are hauler, closer to IRL meaning of logistic than industrial. While EvE-Logistic do close to no logistic work at all (even in military sense there are quite distant). So.. not really a point.

remove the stupid web bonus it is completly unneeded 10-13km web range why would any marauder fight at that short range?
for pve it is hardly needed at all
for pvp you have buddies to help with webbing

so give them something else
smartbomb bonus ?:O
+50% dmg/lvl^^ so no frig pilot wants to get close :D

The web bonus is more useful against Frigates.

Also having things come within web-range is very common in PvE situations, whether it's missions, incursions, or scan-sites.

Personally I'm not a fan of the web-bonus because it's a tad over-powered against smaller targets compared to a Target Painter or Web-Range bonus.

or it just needs to have less drawbacks.

w/e you do, giving them the same web bonus feels like homogenization. Making them similar in that fashion really takes away from their racial flavor.

The drawbacks were worth the advantages when the 30% resists were part of the package in my opinion.

no it was still a "click here for a 1bn isk+ lossmail" button.

Go to bed features & ideas discussion forum, its late.

No even though it is almost 2am I am at work and bored.

And the post.

The lock ranges here are not that great given there ability to jump and engage from 100km.

These could be improved on the hulls or this could be another bonus built into the bastion module. 20 to 25 percent would fit quite well with the general range increasing nature of the bastion module.

Remember that those are just base lock ranges. A base range of ~90km gives you a bonused range of ~110 km.

Plus ship hulls don't operate in a vacuum. If you need to you can always equip sensor boosting modules.

Obviously depending on the direction you jump 110km gives a very narrow window and given the limited mid-slots on the Paladin an Kronos a sensor booster or even a signal amp seems a waste of a slot when it could be factored into the balance if the bastion module.

As it stands right now i get almost double the amount of DPS with my skills vs being in a marauder. I have the skills to pilot all the mara's for every race and while ive tried them all their DPS is horrid even compared to the new rebalance work done on the navy ships.

Right: this new iteration is garbage, the old one was far better, i >currently< use the vargur in pvp, adding webs to it is indeed usefull if ships come close, it is also pointless because of the range of the ship, the vargur plays out in pvp like a versatile assault ship, able to tackle any assault role fairly well, but is also slow and currently has ewar issues and due to that ends up getting picked apart solo, with the old boosts they were boosting the way i play, and have scene played, vargurs in general, cant say for other marauders because i don't fly them mind you, the tank nerf is exceptionally disapointing, as in pvp, the vargur always gets primary, its just shiny like that, and without rr or nice local tank to back you up you just fall apart, now if its the bastions tank that's annoying incursion runners just have the module not run in incursion systems, i could not care less about incursions, and i will not be using a vargur for pve

How did you manage to get almost double the dps in a navy BS vs in a marauder?

so you want the dev to custom make a marauder just for your pvp needs and screw the pve players. ya i am sure the dev would really take your point seriously.

easily, marauders bar the golem do not put out massive dps, they just apply it easier, and track smaller targets

EDIT: forgot the kronos, and both can be out dps'd by a navy ship

Time for another update.

We discussed the Marauder situation further and came with the following changes:

• Shield, armor and hull 30% resistance boosts have been removed on the Bastion Module - instead, all Marauders will now get proper tech2 resists. This will allow Marauders to have better RR use outside Bastion and reduce overall tanking effectiveness inside the mode.


• We have removed all tanking bonuses on the Marauders hulls (Armor Repairer amount on the Paladin and Kronos, Shield Boost amount on the Golem and Vargur). Instead, we are giving them 7.5% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level. This will not only help reducing their tanking effectiveness, be more in theme with the ship role itself and help anyone using them with short range weapons. We are not giving them a full 10% per level back as this would be extremely powerful in conjunction with the other bonuses / Bastion. We are going to leave the full 10% web strength amount on the Serpentis ships for now and see how things evolve with time.


• Also, we are removing the mass penalty on the Bastion mode. Tests have shown you can't really turn when it's active anyway, and we don't want to have players abuse that to collapse wormholes.

I will change the OP to match the changes.

What, you're not knocking out the tractor bonus? What possible use is that when we have the glorious Noctis in which to salvage the field?