Curious as well. It probably is multiplicative. Even so, it's silly amounts of omni hull resist in that mode.

I'm not sure I follow this - if you're talking about missions, a web bonus is not needed - with turrets, you snipe the frigates first before they come in close. Even when they do come close, a 90% web usually isn't enough to keep transversal down to hit them with large guns.

When they're close, use drones - and Marauders still have enough dronebay to use lights and take care of that. With missiles, bit pointless to shoot frigates first. In all cases the web strength is highly situational in missions. Maybe using 2 webs? But that's a bit overkill when they can just be dealt faster with drones while you focus on larger ships with guns.

However, the extra resists, damage projection, EW immunity is going to be of tremendous help in missions like "The Blockade" where there are 1346454 NPCs using E-war while in Bastion mode. Even without it, Kronos and Paladin new falloff and optimal range bonuses are going to be useful 100% of the time, instead of extreme close range like a web bonus.

90% hull resist with a DCII isn't too bad.

Actually, a total 42.5% and 45% non-stacking-penalized shield and hull resist with a DCII aren't bad, either. Cuts down on the number of tank mods in your lows/mids if you intend to try and seige this thing up a lot.

I'm not sure I follow this - if you're talking about missions, a web bonus is not needed - with turrets, you snipe the frigates first before they come in close. Even when they do come close, a 90% web usually isn't enough to keep transversal down to hit them with large guns.

When they're close, use drones - and Marauders still have enough dronebay to use lights and take care of that. With missiles, bit pointless to shoot frigates first. In all cases the web strength is highly situational in missions. Maybe using 2 webs? But that's a bit overkill when they can just be dealt faster with drones while you focus on larger ships with guns.

However, the extra resists, damage projection, EW immunity is going to be of tremendous help in missions like "The Blockade" where there are 1346454 NPCs using E-war while in Bastion mode. Even without it, Kronos and Paladin new falloff and optimal range bonuses are going to be useful 100% of the time, instead of extreme close range like a web bonus.

May i suggest change 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams to 50% reduction on target breaker penalty,to avoid concentrated dps, may also add 1 more turret to make them more eligible for pvp.

I'm not sure I follow this - if you're talking about missions, a web bonus is not needed - with turrets, you snipe the frigates first before they come in close. Even when they do come close, a 90% web usually isn't enough to keep transversal down to hit them with large guns.

You had me thinking about 350k EHP Kronos fits with a dcu and bulkhead until I remembered that resists don't simply add like you suggested.

Hull resists =
60% from DCU2
+ 40 (remaining resists) * 30% (from Bastion) * .87 (if stacking penalized).
= 72% resists (70.5% if stacking Penalized), not 90%.

Multiplicative, thus 72%.

See the other side of the coin: You may actually see these now being used in Fleet Doctrines\PvP more often given this ability rather than shiny L4 Mission Runners and with that a lot more of them dying on the field.

As a final combo bonus, we also are changing Target Painter cycle time from 10 to 5 seconds, and reducing their cap usage to compensate - waiting for the Target Painter cycle to finish before swapping targets is quite annoying on the Golem.

not only YEAH!!!!!
but HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

alot of the things we were advocating for (better pg/cpu, mjd mobilitiy) and more.

the bastion mode rawx!

warp into a lev 4 or 5, mjd up away from alot of the bad guys and enter (beast) bastion mode. smack everything down. if things get too close, mjd away and open up again.

lev 4 mission runners dream.

plus, imagine these on a gate camp ready to mode out.



they are normal marauders with bad ass power grids until they deploy, then they enter beast mode.

atleast we have a direction now.. i dig em. especially since they can be used as normal without further training and have major fitting improvements.

When they're close, use drones - and Marauders still have enough dronebay to use lights and take care of that. With missiles, bit pointless to shoot frigates first.

The "can't use the Tactical Weapon Reconfiguration skill because of its point of reducing fuel use" excuse doesn't hold up very well next to the Black Ops jump portal using the skill that reduces fuel use in Titans while not using any fuel itself.

But then again, maybe I just made the mistake of pointing out another place to add a skill to train for precisely one module...

Yes, this can be used in high-sec of course. You just get a weapon timer (requires security to be turned off though).

Do not underestimate the use of the bastion module, even for missions. The innate tank allows removal of tanking modules on fittings and the projection bonus helps a lot as well. I remember reaching 55-60km falloff on a Null Neutron Blaster Kronos on our internal test server

Only one bastion module may be fitted, but the resistance given don't stack, just like Damage Control. You can still fit one -with- a damage control though.

So any chance we will see a tech ii mjd with longer jump range? Maybe 150 km?

I had a long think about how I might use this ship. I cannot think of a scenario in which it would be useful.

Neither can I construct a rational narrative to support bastion mode, so there's a problem there for me.

I think if you wanted to see these ships in PVP all you had to do was increase the sensor strength and make no other changes whatsoever. They were fine.

I am deeply disappointed by this proposal and cannot in good conscience support it.

My apologies.

can't you like do it already in a domi?

bastion mode doesn't improve much in missionrunning area - you can do all missions in mach or other pirate ships that cost as much and have better dps baked into hull. Who will really turn bastion mode on when you can do missions in existing hulls ;/ This mode is for special scenarios, but there aren't many of them (10/10 can already be mostly soloed, in wh you're risking alot)

Yes, this can be used in high-sec of course. You just get a weapon timer (requires security to be turned off though).