Again why 3 of marauders got double range bonus when in siege (25% to optimal and fallof making them 50% total) while golem got only one 25% to missile velocity, where is 25% to flight time?

Just another quick update.

• We are removing the BASTION TRANSFORMERTHINGIEGäó SKILL, as the name was just too awesome to be released to the public (ok ok, more seriously we got the point: having to train a new rank 8 skill just for this module wasn't appealing). Instead, the bastion mode will use high energy physics 4 and energy grid upgrades 5. The former is rank 5, the later you already need to fly the class. The bastion mode cycle time will be reduced to 60s by default to compensate.


• We hear you regarding having to drop the safeties to use the bastion mode in high-sec - we're going to fix it so you don't have to drop them to use the module. However you'll still receive a weapon timer when activating it.

Adjusting OP to reflect this.

EDIT: remember all of this is subject to change - training high energy physics is at your own risk if the bastion mode skill requirements autotrollmagicallychange all of a sudden.

The only upside to deploying in bastion mode you then have left is a measly 25% range. That's it. Furthermore, the immobility of bastion module is completely at odds with the mjd mobility.
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Just another quick update.

• We are removing the BASTION TRANSFORMERTHINGIEGäó SKILL, as the name was just too awesome to be released to the public (ok ok, more seriously we got the point: having to train a new rank 8 skill just for this module wasn't appealing). Instead, the bastion mode will use high energy physics 4 and energy grid upgrades 5. The former is rank 5, the later you already need to fly the class. The bastion mode cycle time will be reduced to 60s by default to compensate.


• We hear you regarding having to drop the safeties to use the bastion mode in high-sec - we're going to fix it so you don't have to drop them to use the module. However you'll still receive a weapon timer when activating it.

Adjusting OP to reflect this.

Just another quick update.

• We are removing the BASTION TRANSFORMERTHINGIEGäó SKILL, as the name was just too awesome to be released to the public (ok ok, more seriously we got the point: having to train a new rank 8 skill just for this module wasn't appealing). Instead, the bastion mode will use high energy physics 4 and energy grid upgrades 5. The former is rank 5, the later you already need to fly the class. The bastion mode cycle time will be reduced to 60s by default to compensate.


• We hear you regarding having to drop the safeties to use the bastion mode in high-sec - we're going to fix it so you don't have to drop them to use the module. However you'll still receive a weapon timer when activating it.

Adjusting OP to reflect this.

EDIT: remember all of this is subject to change - training high energy physics is at your own risk if the bastion mode skill requirements change.

Just another quick update.

• We are removing the BASTION TRANSFORMERTHINGIEGäó SKILL, as the name was just too awesome to be released to the public (ok ok, more seriously we got the point: having to train a new rank 8 skill just for this module wasn't appealing). Instead, the bastion mode will use high energy physics 4 and energy grid upgrades 5. The former is rank 5, the later you already need to fly the class. The bastion mode cycle time will be reduced to 60s by default to compensate.


• We hear you regarding having to drop the safeties to use the bastion mode in high-sec - we're going to fix it so you don't have to drop them to use the module. However you'll still receive a weapon timer when activating it.

Adjusting OP to reflect this.

EDIT: remember all of this is subject to change - training high energy physics is at your own risk if the bastion mode skill requirements change.

The other thing I really do think you need to do is add a fuel bay. All capitals(minus Orca cause Orca) have one, and the only other T2 BS class does as well. Doesn't have to be a huge bay, but a bay. 50 stront/Cycle? Bay holding up to 250 or something.

As quickly as this class has fallen into the 'Mini Dread' classification, it really should follow the same 'siege' mechanics, aka need fuel. This fuel need also adds layers to the strategic Value(or lack thereof) of fielding these over say, a standard BS fleet.

A damage increase in Bastion would be nice too, since they are also following the 'can't be remote supported by anything' route.

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They're not mini dreads, which is why they don't have these things.

Quoting OP:

'This also provides a stepping stone between sub-capitals / capital and their various siege / triage operation. It is noteworthy to remember we don't necessarily want them to out-damage or go faster than Pirate Battleships - instead, they tank and project damage better.'



Not much point 'stepping stone' for seige/triage if you're not gonna require fuel.

Please read the whole OP before posting

Bastion mode also gives 30% bonus to shield, armor, and structure resistances without stacking.
Bastion mode gives a 100% bonus to armor rep amount and shield boost amount.

That's one hell of a bonus you're overlooking there. Not to mention, if you don't LIKE bastion mode, don't use it!

"Prolonged deployment" and "requiring bulky fuel"

Those two things are mutually exclusive.

Just another quick update.

• We are removing the BASTION TRANSFORMERTHINGIEGäó SKILL, as the name was just too awesome to be released to the public (ok ok, more seriously we got the point: having to train a new rank 8 skill just for this module wasn't appealing). Instead, the bastion mode will use high energy physics 4 and energy grid upgrades 5. The former is rank 5, the later you already need to fly the class. The bastion mode cycle time will be reduced to 60s by default to compensate.


• We hear you regarding having to drop the safeties to use the bastion mode in high-sec - we're going to fix it so you don't have to drop them to use the module. However you'll still receive a weapon timer when activating it.

Adjusting OP to reflect this.

EDIT: remember all of this is subject to change - training high energy physics is at your own risk if the bastion mode skill requirements change.

ur math is somewhat wrong and u are failing to realize that missiles are not turrets and they need time to hit the target. Not even talking about situation where your targets is warping away before your missiles hit him. Moreover at longer range most of players are shooting more missiles than its needed, eg when u are firing another volley of missiles when previous is still in space flying to target. If that first volley finishes target, the second volley is not going to another target but just flying into space doing nothing.

If your missiles got 100km range with 10km/s and 10secs flight time, increasing speed by 25% will result in 12,5km/s speed * 10secs = 125km range

If your turrets got for example 100km optimal and 100km falloff, increasing both for 25% will make your optimal 100km + 25% = 125km and your fallof 100km + 25% = 125km, so u will be able to deal full damage at 125km and half damage at 250km.

Missiles cant do half damage at twice of their optimal since they dont have fallof. Your target can have 1 hp sitting at 1 meter above your missiles optimal and u wont kill him.

And dont say word about tracking since turrets got tracking issues only if target is close enought while missiles got their issues no matter if target is close or far away (explosion velocity thing). U can counter tracking on turreted ship by moving at proper direction (for example away from target), but u cant counter low explosion velocity of your missiles.

Why 3 of 4 Marauders got additional damage bonus (5% damage or 5% rof) while Golem doesnt?. Why u removed EW bonus from all of them again except of Golem?. Again why 3 of marauders got double range bonus when in siege (25% to optimal and fallof making them 50% total) while golem got only one 25% to missile velocity, where is 25% to flight time?. I already asked about defenders and fact that turreted marauders will be invulnerable to tracking disruptors while Golem will still have his missiles destroyed by defender missiles, and almost all npc ships uses defenders ;)

Target painter is usable only for targets being rather close and only if u got torpedoes, its useless on cruise missiles since they got 5 times better optimal and already got reduced signature. In other hand, bonuses like '5% bonus to large energy turret damage per level' affects both close range and long range turrets.

Thats why u should change damage bonus on rest marauders to affect only pulse lasers, autocanons and blasters, or get rid of useless target painter bonus and give Golem proper comparable bonus which will affect both close and long range missiles, not only the close ones.

The most common role, PVP wise, I can see these being used in is sieging High Sec POS's.

Add the layer to the game of NEEDING to plan for fuel, to have fuel on standby, create the opportunity for disrupting War plans by making a vulnerable spot(Read ganking fuel haulers) so peeps can't just warp from tower to tower with a couple guardians to provide cap.

Just another quick update.

• We are removing the BASTION TRANSFORMERTHINGIEGäó SKILL, as the name was just too awesome to be released to the public (ok ok, more seriously we got the point: having to train a new rank 8 skill just for this module wasn't appealing). Instead, the bastion mode will use high energy physics 4 and energy grid upgrades 5. The former is rank 5, the later you already need to fly the class. The bastion mode cycle time will be reduced to 60s by default to compensate.


• We hear you regarding having to drop the safeties to use the bastion mode in high-sec - we're going to fix it so you don't have to drop them to use the module. However you'll still receive a weapon timer when activating it.

Adjusting OP to reflect this.

EDIT: remember all of this is subject to change - training high energy physics is at your own risk if the bastion mode skill requirements change.

so if this the link between Battleships and Dreads,


it makes me think is there going to be a new T2 battleship to be the link between battleship and carriers??

hmmmm

I don't understand this. In current planned state, Marauders will not be like actual dreads. They won't do additional damage. They'll just do it from farther away.

Why would people go to all the trouble just to shoot a POS from farther away when they can do the same DPS with an Oracle fleet?