Sure thing, and yes, I accounted for the boost modifications. I believe I wrote Eos boost.

In PVP you are never Cap stable. Obviously if this is getting neuted it's dead, just like any Active Tanking ship. Most likely though, I'll fly it with 1 repper and cap xfers or something smarter than that.

Dread pilots. We have lots of them.

In PVP you are never Cap stable. Obviously if this is getting neuted it's dead, just like any Active Tanking ship. Most likely though, I'll fly it with 1 repper and cap xfers or something smarter than that.

Dread pilots. We have lots of them.

Sure thing, and yes, I accounted for the boost modifications. I believe I wrote Eos boost.

Here is the fit:

In PVP you are never Cap stable. Obviously if this is getting neuted it's dead, just like any Active Tanking ship. Most likely though, I'll fly it with 1 repper and cap xfers or something smarter than that.

I was actually expecting the Marauder changes to add more ... flexibility to the hulls. I kinda feel that putting them in "Siege mode" is going the other way,

Mournful, you forget, that these ships cannot move. If the tank cannot be broken, you can just leave the ship there and look for somthing else to shoot. Nieche applications of the marauders I like. You wont see marauders solo gangs unless the FC is a complete moron.

Well here is the thing... You are very well aware of what marauders can do. Engage it without proper intel and you deserve the hotdrop.
But cyno can be fitted on pretty much aything. Difference is, that the marauder is more likely to survive.

Well here is the thing... You are very well aware of what marauders can do. Engage it without proper intel and you deserve the hotdrop.
But cyno can be fitted on pretty much aything. Difference is, that the marauder is more likely to survive.

It has been mentioned many times in this thread that 'legitimate' use of the bastion module will not (cannot) be made.

It was a nice first try at an idea, but I respectfully feel that the idea is flawed.

The idea itself is great - shoehorning it onto marauders is whats ruining it.

The idea itself is great - shoehorning it onto marauders is whats ruining it.

It was a great idea in Medieval times, just before the mass-production of cannons.

The idea of "stand still and build strong walls" has not been valid military doctrine since about 1200AD, and it didn't work that well back then - the defenders starved to death or died of disease.

Modern military doctrine favours mobility, versatility and stealth.

I cannot envisage this changing in the far future. Fast-moving super-strong things are harder to destroy than stationary super-strong things - always will be.

L5 mission solo - What other ship would be more effective?
C3/4 Sites solo - What other ship would be more effective?
Amarr Epic with all their (^^$%$&()*& TD's - What ship would be better?
The Assault with all their ^*%$*&&^ Jammers - What ship would be better?

I could go on, but the point is that if you have the skills, these changes are very intriguing.

L5 solo - stupid? I guess you COULD do it, until someone scans you down and kills your 1b+ immobile bs in lowsec
c3/4 solo - i dont know since i dont do them, you could be right
amarr epic - who cares its an epic you can only do once, yeah sure i'll buy and fit a ship just for that.. XD
the assault - just dont do this mission. Getting this ship for just this mission? id rather just bring a freind or an alt so the jams dont stop both of us

You seem to defeat your own argument here. The tractor-bonus is a highly specialized bonus and from looking at the numbers and bonuses it doesn't seem to have factored into their balancing of the hulls. It's being left there because it hurts literally nothing by its presence beyond the sensibilities of a few irate forum posters. It's used by people who already own these ships and works somewhat well with the MJD bonus, this is the very definition of specialized.

You'd have to be pretty unlucky to lose it to a scan down in a L5 with a cycle time of 60 seconds if you check dscan constantly. Just cancel the mod if you see combat probes on dscan, remember they have to traverse the acceleration gates after scanning you, it would be pretty difficult for them to get tackle on you within 60sec of probes appearing on your scanner, and most of the time you'll be able to get out a lot faster because there won't be the full 60sec on your module cycle time left when you see the probes.

I'd be much more worried about losing it to a gate camp traveling to and from the mission location. Out of curiosity, can you break gate cloak, prime the MJD, cloak, and then just click cloak off 1sec before you're about to jump to run a lowsec camp?

With the optimal buff Paladin with Conflagration will reach 27km base optimal.

With the siege mode buff all the ships will be very efficient at 30km-40km range and similiarly effective at 50km far orbit range. However, the Golem is lacking because of it's limited torpedo range and bad damage application with Rage torpedoes.

I would look into improving the Golem siege bonus to missile velocity AND travel time to make the Rage build more viable at PVE ranges. 25% to both missile velocity and fuel when sieged, based on the potential numbers on each of the ships.

It was a concept fit, to prove that it will be possible to have 10k tank marauders.

I am damn sure that WH folks will take advantage of this. Thwy are tight groups with decent pilots usually. Here comes the marauder fleet concept.

DSpite, have you ever seen solo 10 of 10s being done? Or actually havens and sanctums are kind of tough to do solo. Now you could sit in small haven at the spawn point in your Vargur with 100km rnage and destroy everything with a t2 medium shield booster providing all the tank you need.

Here is a counter-proposal:

"The marauder class battleship is an evolution of tried and tested hulls, designed for extended sorties behind enemy lines. Marauders focus on dealing damage and evading capture by the enemies of the empire. As such, marauders have built in technology that gives them:

5% bonus to base speed per level
18% per level reduction in effectiveness of inbound webifiers
Microwarp drives immune from the effects of warp scramblers.

(note, they still may not enter warp if disrupted or scrambled)

Emissions from these bulky and unstable high-tech propulsion units has a debilitating effect on sensor arrays and thus the sensor strengths of these ships is known to be weak, leaving them susceptible to battlefield interference. (sensor strength unchanged)"

Web bonuses replaced with 5%/level cap recharge bonus.

Now the marauder can carry on PVEing nicely, has a chance to slip through gate camps/get back to gate, can apply a little battlefield dps until neutralised with ECM and can slip away - justifying the price tag.

It can also get between mission gates more quickly, so isk/hr goes up a little. The extra cap allows use of MWD for better positioning with short range weapons.

Now what do I buy? A vindicator/machariel that does PVE very quickly but which if caught, must fight and die? Or a marauder which is not overly suited to PVP, but can generally slip away if things are not going well?

Here is a counter-proposal:

"The marauder class battleship is an evolution of tried and tested hulls, designed for extended sorties behind enemy lines. Marauders focus on dealing damage and evading capture by the enemies of the empire. As such, marauders have built in technology that gives them:

5% bonus to base speed per level
18% per level reduction in effectiveness of inbound webifiers
Microwarp drives immune from the effects of warp scramblers.

(note, they still may not enter warp if disrupted or scrambled)

Emissions from these bulky and unstable high-tech propulsion units has a debilitating effect on sensor arrays and thus the sensor strengths of these ships is known to be weak, leaving them susceptible to battlefield interference. (sensor strength unchanged)"

Web bonuses replaced with 5%/level cap recharge bonus.

Now the marauder can carry on PVEing nicely, has a chance to slip through gate camps/get back to gate, can apply a little battlefield dps until neutralised with ECM and can slip away - justifying the price tag.

It can also get between mission gates more quickly, so isk/hr goes up a little. The extra cap allows use of MWD for better positioning with short range weapons.

Now what do I buy? A vindicator/machariel that does PVE very quickly but which if caught, must fight and die? Or a marauder which is not overly suited to PVP, but can generally slip away if things are not going well?

That new skill should be called "Castle Doctrine".

The Description should also refer to some obscure law from some place that used to be called "Texas".

Since this hull has not been touched in many many years, I'm sort of scared that when the new changes stick, it will probably not get touched again, like, ever. Would be nice if we get a large majority happy with changes, hence I would prefer this suckers stay on SiSi only until they get tested to death. I've been trying to skill up just for this, but multiple BS V's and support/weapon skills take a ... while.

If players have gone this long without Marauder changes, I'm sure a BIT longer won't kill them.