DSpite, have you ever seen solo 10 of 10s being done? Or actually havens and sanctums are kind of tough to do solo. Now you could sit in small haven at the spawn point in your Vargur with 100km rnage and destroy everything with a t2 medium shield booster providing all the tank you need.

How the hell does a PVPer catch this thing if it can MJD out of trouble every single time?

"Microwarp drives immune from the effects of warp scramblers."

That is MASSIVE!

Here is a counter-proposal:

"The marauder class battleship is an evolution of tried and tested hulls, designed for extended sorties behind enemy lines. Marauders focus on dealing damage and evading capture by the enemies of the empire. As such, marauders have built in technology that gives them:

5% bonus to base speed per level
18% per level reduction in effectiveness of inbound webifiers
Microwarp drives immune from the effects of warp scramblers.

(note, they still may not enter warp if disrupted or scrambled)

Emissions from these bulky and unstable high-tech propulsion units has a debilitating effect on sensor arrays and thus the sensor strengths of these ships is known to be weak, leaving them susceptible to battlefield interference. (sensor strength unchanged)"

Web bonuses replaced with 5%/level cap recharge bonus.

Now the marauder can carry on PVEing nicely, has a chance to slip through gate camps/get back to gate, can apply a little battlefield dps until neutralised with ECM and can slip away - justifying the price tag.

It can also get between mission gates more quickly, so isk/hr goes up a little. The extra cap allows use of MWD for better positioning with short range weapons.

Now what do I buy? A vindicator/machariel that does PVE very quickly but which if caught, must fight and die? Or a marauder which is not overly suited to PVP, but can generally slip away if things are not going well?

no mate. Micro WARP drive, so you can burn back to gate. Not micro JUMP drive
:-)

How the hell does a PVPer catch this thing if it can MJD out of trouble every single time?

"Microwarp drives immune from the effects of warp scramblers."

That is MASSIVE!

Meyr, it is a waste of time even discussing this.
The pandemic legion guy is involved in wrecking this ship class, and he HATES PvE.
He is used to massive moon goo as income, and has zero use for anyone who grinds to pay for anything. (This is the same guy who said on the forums that anyone who did not vote in the CSM elections he does not have to listen to)
This is the same guy who wrecked small and heavy drones in missions, and ignored over 100 pages of people screaming how bad an idea it was, (and still is). He will ignore any feedback on this, just as he does about any PvE mechanic.

I use a Paladin in Incursions, and it is losing about 8% DPS(120 DPS lost from going from 3 Garde II"s to 1), its ability to web frigates in close (2 webs at 90% effectiveness slowed down a ship to 1% of its base speed, now it will be 16%, a 16 fold drop in effectiveness). The improvement in optimal range? Who ******* cares? I was already shooting stuff in optimal at 20 km with a properly fit Paladin. Further, it will be impossible to micromanage the timing on that bastion module (60-64 seconds minimum timer) to have it time out the precise moment the incursion finishes, so we will have entire fleets sitting their holding their manparts, while all the timers run out, before moving to the next site, hence another big loss in ISK/hour.

When you factor in the 30 plus % nerf to armour bonuses , and the 30 plus % nerf to web range bonuses next week, and THEN the loss of the OGB (which the pandemic legion guy has guaranteed is happening soon), anyone using a Paladin or Kronos in an Incursion is righteously screwed in armour incursion fleets.

This was another premeditated attack on high sec income, since the null sec cartels apparently can't make enough money now, and need to drive more serfs into null for the cartels to maintain their income stream. (btw, listen to the Crossing Zebra's industry podcast near the end where one of the goon CSM members says that the moon goo drop in prices is a temporary thing)

Even worse..... The other changes he suggested would diminish webbing effects on the ship. Even then.... How would one stop one of these ships from getting away?

Would someone PLEASE explain where this change has something comon with balancing ?
Just give the Marauder Class Battleships more Sensorstreingh and the PvP-Balancing is absolutly done.
just saying.

Greetings

Raze

Even worse..... The other changes he suggested would diminish webbing effects on the ship. Even then.... How would one stop one of these ships from getting away?

Came looking for marauders, found seebees, left disappointed.

CCP should add +2 warpstrength to all marauders, they are suppose to be annoying and harassing

+5 warpstrength while in bastion mode

Just for laughs

I don't think i have ever used the stasis bonus on the paladin, frigs hardly ever get that close so the optimal range bonus makes more sense. as for the kronos, i prefer the fall-off bonus but the web bonus is still useful.

I don't think i have ever used the stasis bonus on the paladin, frigs hardly ever get that close so the optimal range bonus makes more sense. as for the kronos, i prefer the fall-off bonus but the web bonus is still useful.

I been wondering if CCP devs explored the possibility of making a marauder mode that instead of making the Marauders into fixed weapons mode it made them extremely fast and agile with damage/tracking bonuses. If its possible id like to know if the devs explored this and what their experiments rendered in terms of ship balance.

The last thing EVE balance needs is another "fast skirmish" situation, since this role is decidedly cramped thanks to a plethora of ships that excel at it.

The bastion does not make a marauder strong enough for incursions or level 5, and it does not make it faster in L4.
Don't care about PvP. It's a marauder. It's for PvE.
I do like the transformation thing, but without a damage buff, it's useless. My character has 4.6 mil SP, most of them in scan & salvaging and I still can do The Assault and Worlds Collide without problems in a 1.2 bil RNI and the bonus room from angel/guristas extravaganza it's a joke for my tank. A golem will be even better at tanking. So it's not a necesity to bring more tank ( I do not complain, I like it, more it's better) for PvE and the pourpres of a marauder, it will be better to give more dps, or even better to give both tank and dps.
Now, the bastion it's a bonus in PvP in my noob/new player opinion but how can you fight in a marauder vs 2 bs + decent logi with just 1.400 DPS in a torp golem? If you want to be used in PVP, make the bastion module give some damage buffs.
The golem have gained +200mil on jita, from 0.95 to over 1.25 bil since this announce. It's too expensive, more than a pirate BS, so why would not be better than one?
And if ccp is working on marauders, make the range bonus of tractor beam better. 60-70km ore more :P
Just my opinion as a new and inexperienced player of eve online.