Yeah. Fine.

Now that my Pali's tank just got nerfed by 37.5%, I'm jumping right on this bandwagon.

There is no reason not to include a damage boost, or at bare minimum an application (tracking/exp velocity) boost, now that the bastion tank has been so massively scaled back. Instead of defined roles, we just went right back into "Pirate Battleships are better in every way, cheaper and need fewer skills because lol."

For the love of Gob, please bring back the first iteration.

Tech 2 resists are actually overall stronger than the proposed bastion module resists were. T2 resists give a 75% bonus to one resist and a 50% bonus to a second, for a total of 125%, while the module was only 120% total.

Vargurs just get more and more ridiculous for incursions. This is a threefold EHP and tanking increase for Vargurs against EM/Therm damage. You don't even need to bother with spider-tanking or ASBs anymore, you can just face tank it solo with a max gank setup.

What nerF!? the paladin tank just went up a notch you got the 30% more overall resistances without fitting a single module now! which will stack with the bastion rep bonus when in bastion!

Time for another update.

We discussed the Marauder situation further and came with the following changes:

• Shield, armor and hull 30% resistance boosts have been removed on the Bastion Module - instead, all Marauders will now get proper tech2 resists. This will allow Marauders to have better RR use outside Bastion and reduce overall tanking effectiveness inside the mode.


• We have removed all tanking bonuses on the Marauders hulls (Armor Repairer amount on the Paladin and Kronos, Shield Boost amount on the Golem and Vargur). Instead, we are giving them 7.5% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level. This will not only help reducing their tanking effectiveness, be more in theme with the ship role itself and help anyone using them with short range weapons. We are not giving them a full 10% per level back as this would be extremely powerful in conjunction with the other bonuses / Bastion. We are going to leave the full 10% web strength amount on the Serpentis ships for now and see how things evolve with time.


• Also, we are removing the mass penalty on the Bastion mode. Tests have shown you can't really turn when it's active anyway, and we don't want to have players abuse that to collapse wormholes.

I will change the OP to match the changes.

Time for another update.

We discussed the Marauder situation further and came with the following changes:

• Shield, armor and hull 30% resistance boosts have been removed on the Bastion Module - instead, all Marauders will now get proper tech2 resists. This will allow Marauders to have better RR use outside Bastion and reduce overall tanking effectiveness inside the mode.


• We have removed all tanking bonuses on the Marauders hulls (Armor Repairer amount on the Paladin and Kronos, Shield Boost amount on the Golem and Vargur). Instead, we are giving them 7.5% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level. This will not only help reducing their tanking effectiveness, be more in theme with the ship role itself and help anyone using them with short range weapons. We are not giving them a full 10% per level back as this would be extremely powerful in conjunction with the other bonuses / Bastion. We are going to leave the full 10% web strength amount on the Serpentis ships for now and see how things evolve with time.


• Also, we are removing the mass penalty on the Bastion mode. Tests have shown you can't really turn when it's active anyway, and we don't want to have players abuse that to collapse wormholes.

I will change the OP to match the changes.

Marauders need:

sensor strength buff
paladin/kronos need 90% web back
t2 resists since they are "advanced battleships"
larger drone bay if possible


Marauders don't need:

More repping power
Smaller drone bay
To be immobile
MJD bonus


My reasoning for 90% web:
Paladin: Large lasers can't track unless target is slowed down up close. Armor ships are also slower and can't keep up
Golem: Missiles always track and have distance, shield ship = faster
Vargur: Great tracking and distance, shield ship = faster
Kronos: Blasters have horrible range and need ship locked down. Armor ships are also slower and can't keep up

You need to pair that analysis with the 37.5% rep reduction.

Also the omni-taking nature of the first iteration mod lent it's self much better to mission running amongst different pirate factions.

These changes make every ship balanced for both PVE and PVP

Your rep power in Bastion mode is still greater than what they are now

Your resists will be higher than what they are now

All turrets and missiles will be able to hit small npcs due to web bonus(this solves smaller drone bay)

These changes make every ship balanced for both PVE and PVP
For PVE:
Your resists will be higher than what they are now

Eh, just fit an AB and move around a bit. 400 m/sec movement is worth way more than 37.5% repping against terrible NPC tracking and 60 m/sec explosion velocity missiles.

You did, the web.

Time for another update.
We discussed the Marauder situation further and came with the following changes:

Oh, spare me.

A web to apply damage within 12 km, when my main weapon system has an optimal/falloff out to 100 km.

Incursion whining killed what would have been an amazing change to Marauders. Bring back the original iteration, please!

-1. THESE SUCK.
These changes have gone full r e t a r d.

ROFL. Another capsuleer expresses himself with eloquent reasoned argument.

ROFL. Another capsuleer expresses himself with eloquent reasoned argument.

Now there isn't much use for the bastion module with this iteration. You still have a large increase to local tank, but you won't be able to fend off much before dying.

-1 for me, the original proposal looked better. I think most people would just use the pirate bs instead for PVE, the utility highs and tracking are not worth the risk of 1 billion + isk for just the local tank boost which is unecessary for most normal situations anyway, and you won't be able to fend off a gang for long without the immense gain of resists. They are now all too slow or don't have enough drone bay to PVE competitively with the Pirate BS either.

The web bonus is counter productive for the bastion mode as well as the mode gives you increased range. Whats the use of the range bonus if the ship has to be much closer to use its web? This proposal will keep the ships shelved for everything I think, and those who do use them will only use the bastion module to see the cool animation or AFTER having already been locked down by a gang to slow down getting killed.

The original was pretty close, just needed some tweaking and less ability to be ganked while solo.

You did, the web.

Well it seems to work, since the first iteration has been destroyed because of such posts from whiners. Gotta use the weapons you know are effective.

A web to apply damage within 12 km, when my main weapon system has an optimal/falloff out to 100 km.

Incursion whining killed what would have been an amazing change to Marauders. Bring back the original iteration, please!

The first iteration had me excited... This new one is total bull, who needs a web anyway when NOTHING survives to web range? My Paladin even as it currently is on TQ can kill pretty much everything with _TACH BEAMS_ before the rats get closer than 40km. Usually they die before they can get up to speed.

Only things that actually need droned to death are the Mk2 web drones, because they got devhaxx and fly to you @5km/s, and whne mission has them, those are the last ones to take out anyway.