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ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
29
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Posted - 2011.11.04 02:44:00 -
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Xiozor wrote:
CCP designed the game to be exactly like this, since 2003 people like you have voiced the same complaints over and over again and have been told in very plain language by the devs that it is a PvP game, deal with it. Stop trying to make EVE into something it isn't, go play Sims 3.
I've never played any other video game, and have no desire to. No Multi-Player games. No RP games.
I was hoping that this would turn into a full immersion space exploration game. That WE could prove we had learned something from several thousand years of war, atrocities, genocide.
I was hoping that all these smart people could show what the human race could really do if given the opportunity.
Frankly, if I was an alien and came across this planet, I would nuke it.
Location: Currently circling the toilet bowl that is Eve. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2011.11.04 02:45:00 -
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Xiozor wrote:Some people are just sore winners. You complain that they have the protection of a computer screen, but if you can't ignore kids being kids then thankfully so do you in the form of the "block" button.
Ok so blocking "people collecting tears" is actually mechanics of the game. But i still think that all "carebears" should unite should fit their ruptures and tempests and sabres and go obliterate whole nullsec  Just for fun. it would be great roam of 30 thousand people.
Smack talk is fun, its there to provoke future victims. Smack talk after your victim is broke got no sense, there is nothing to gain, except "collecting tears" / which i conciser as an flaw in one personality
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Xiozor
League of Non-Aligned Worlds
Nulli Tertius
4
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Posted - 2011.11.04 02:56:00 -
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CCP made a game built around war. The idea is to kill one another which is why the killing options are much more varied and have received much more devtime than the exploration options, and the industry options stop working within a month without the killing ones to fuel them.
The way the game is designed is to give you guns, push you all together within limited resources and what with the nature of human competitive spirit (This is healthy and one of the biggest reasons we are the dominant species on our planet) conflict in game is inevitable.
Asking a gaming to community to become some sort of intellectual paragon of humanity is stupid in ways I don't even need to describe. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2011.11.04 02:58:00 -
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Xiozor wrote:CCP made a game built around war. The idea is to kill one another which is why the killing options are much more varied and have received much more devtime than the exploration options, and the industry options stop working within a month without the killing ones to fuel them.
The way the game is designed is to give you guns, push you all together within limited resources and what with human competitive spirit is like (This is healthy and one of the biggest reasons we are the dominant species on our planet) conflict in game is inevitable.
Asking a gaming to community to become some sort of intellectual paragon of humanity is stupid in ways I don't even need to describe.
well true. And we all get it.
And we dont asking game community to change their behavior, We only ask them to see them-self for what they truly are.
Ultimately this game is build to domination/not war. Most epic things in history had not happened on field of battle, they happened because of betrayal.
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The Ecca One
Black Rebel Rifter Club
4
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Posted - 2011.11.04 03:01:00 -
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Bunch of whiny pussies in this thread, I'm just as evil in real life as I am in this game if not more so. |
Qansh
Triskelion Ouroboros
23
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Posted - 2011.11.04 03:44:00 -
[696] - Quote
Xiozor wrote:Asking a gaming to community to become some sort of intellectual paragon of humanity is stupid in ways I don't even need to describe.
No, but creating subsets that are intellectual paragons of humanity (to whatever best degree) is possible and, given the great numbers that will oppose their advance, the fun will go on. And, of course, one must proselytize.
EVE is won when everybody simultaneously destroys their weapons of war and begins anew. That seems as fair and reasonable an "endgame" as anything else, even though getting there isn't restricted to the realm of pew-pew.
We are war but we are also corporations. |
Serene Repose
Perkone
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.11.04 04:11:00 -
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The Ecca One wrote:Bunch of whiny pussies in this thread, I'm just as evil in real life as I am in this game if not more so. Yeah, right. Really evil people don't even own a computer.
-1 for nerdspeak fail.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
Aramatheia
Traveler 52
D-Collective
6
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Posted - 2011.11.04 04:37:00 -
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i think eve is a great big experiment into human nature to see just how messed up society could become with no rules. I think thats what attracts most the users, i doubt most people who kill barges, and gate camp and all that whatever are really horrible people. I suspect most of them are just everyday folk who live in the ordinary everyday world and eve lets them put that aside for a few hours and experience life with no limits, see how far they can push themselves and others in the process.
while i havent yet done a suicide gank i must admit i have wondered myself what would it be like, to go smash some random person just for the hell of it |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
32
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Posted - 2011.11.04 04:50:00 -
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The Ecca One wrote:Bunch of whiny pussies in this thread, I'm just as evil in real life as I am in this game if not more so.
That's nice dear. |
Michael Holmes Holmes
0verload.
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
5
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Posted - 2011.11.04 05:43:00 -
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The Ecca One wrote:Bunch of whiny pussies in this thread, I'm just as evil in real life as I am in this game if not more so.
Such a nice example of humanity, wonder we survived the cold war with his type around. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
655
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Posted - 2011.11.04 05:48:00 -
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ACY GTMI wrote:I was hoping that this would turn into a full immersion space exploration game. That WE could prove we had learned something from several thousand years of war, atrocities, genocide.
I was hoping that all these smart people could show what the human race could really do if given the opportunity.
lol roleplaying
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.04 05:52:00 -
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People need an escape from being so concerned about everyone elses problems. Sometimes you just need to shoot something, and I'd rather have it be in a game than in my house. |
Chelone
Outside The Asylum
5
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Posted - 2011.11.04 06:09:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:while i havent yet done a suicide gank i must admit i have wondered myself what would it be like, to go smash some random person just for the hell of it
I've ganked indys while solo roaming in 0.0, just to try it. It was "interesting" but I didn't really get any satisfaction out of it at all. Guess I'm too "moral" for that particular activity to interest me, and that's fine with me.
I see little point in destroying the assets of random people. The only PvP I want to be involved in is PvP with a purpose, like holding or defending space for a corp, doing sorties in enemy space etc. |
Jita Alt666
459
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Posted - 2011.11.04 07:24:00 -
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ACY GTMI wrote:
Frankly, if I was an alien and came across this planet, I would nuke it.
Selective morality combined with delusional sense of superiority. If the human race is not worth saving shut up and let the plebs kill each others mining ships. |
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2011.11.04 07:36:00 -
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ACY GTMI wrote:[quote=Xiozor]Frankly, if I was an alien and came across this planet, I would nuke it.
So, its ok to commit genocide if you're an irl alien, but not ok to gank a miner on an internet spaceship game?
Congratulations, your post is now the dumbest thing I have ever read. Also the most hypocritical, but mostly dumb.
The loser in any fight consols himself with a moral victory. Thus is the beginning of slave-morality. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
658
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Posted - 2011.11.04 07:47:00 -
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I killed a Hulk (who was displaying a shocking lack of morals by trying to mine blue ice in an interdicted system) yesterday and the pilot was really mad. He sent me an evemail and told me he wished I got AIDS irl.
It was p funny.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
bilingi
Ghosts of the Storm
10
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Posted - 2011.11.04 08:24:00 -
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Yea well no worse than the goons comeing to beat me up in 2007 for scamming some of them hahaha. Sadly none of them flew over to Iraq to do it I wonder why? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
966
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Posted - 2011.11.04 08:32:00 -
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ACY GTMI wrote:Xiozor wrote:
CCP designed the game to be exactly like this, since 2003 people like you have voiced the same complaints over and over again and have been told in very plain language by the devs that it is a PvP game, deal with it. Stop trying to make EVE into something it isn't, go play Sims 3.
I've never played any other video game, and have no desire to. No Multi-Player games. No RP games. I was hoping that this would turn into a full immersion space exploration game. That WE could prove we had learned something from several thousand years of war, atrocities, genocide.
As a rule what humanity generally seems to learn from these things is how to get better at them.
On the plus side, the additional realism should help with your immersion!
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Xiozor
League of Non-Aligned Worlds
Nulli Tertius
4
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Posted - 2011.11.04 08:36:00 -
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If you tried to put across EVE as a social experiment, you could get as far as "Virtual world" before any psychologist without an agenda to get video games banned would laugh in your face. |
Jokerface666
Ever Flow
Northern Coalition.
75
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Posted - 2011.11.04 08:51:00 -
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It's because eve is an end of the world simulator. eve players sre the ones who would survive a zombie sttack and use the zombies as a cheap workforce.
Thats why, thats how we really sre if there wouldn't be any rules.
------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
35
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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:37:00 -
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Huehuehue wrote:
It seems to me that most of EVE player community seems to think , even if they don't do this themselves, that it's okay to shoot down a lone miner or missioner in low sec, steal ore, threaten someone for money etc. "It's part of the game, deal with it" is what I hear most of the time.
It has nothing to do with morality , if we play a game of risk then we can't attack each other?If we play a game of chess i can't take your king?
Theft, killing , griefing IS part of this game.IF you have a problem with that or don't like it then you are playing the wrong game wich btw is not meant sarcastic/trolltastic it is what it is.
Whatever is not bannable IS a part of this game and as such people will do it.
This is eve like it or leave it ... |
Riedle
Paradox Collective
3
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:27:00 -
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ACY GTMI wrote:Xiozor wrote:
CCP designed the game to be exactly like this, since 2003 people like you have voiced the same complaints over and over again and have been told in very plain language by the devs that it is a PvP game, deal with it. Stop trying to make EVE into something it isn't, go play Sims 3.
I've never played any other video game, and have no desire to. No Multi-Player games. No RP games. I was hoping that this would turn into a full immersion space exploration game. That WE could prove we had learned something from several thousand years of war, atrocities, genocide. I was hoping that all these smart people could show what the human race could really do if given the opportunity. Frankly, if I was an alien and came across this planet, I would nuke it.
LOL
Dude, get a grip - seriously.
If you think someone blowing up your internet pixels in a game largely built around that purpose is a reason that humanity is evil then I would consider you to have lead a blessed life. Consider yourself lucky, but in need of some psychological counselling.
Things that really suck in life will give you perspective some day.
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Qansh
Triskelion Ouroboros
23
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:30:00 -
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flakeys wrote:It has nothing to do with morality , if we play a game of risk then we can't attack each other?If we play a game of chess i can't take your king?
A game means that there's a goal.
In EVE, you set your own goals, your own game, what you want to be, what you want to gain.
A sandbox is essentially an argument as to what the game should be (i.e., morality).
It's not about someone saying "This is the game GÇö deal with".
Fine if that's your game, but don't be so blind as to think that it's anything other than your game (and that of the masses who agree with you).
Did EVE make you or are you gonna make EVE?
(I do understand the need, however, to not load so much possibility into EVE. You just want to play, blow off steam, or whatever; that has to be your game for what you want. But it does make for a kind of blindness in believing that others have to be like you.) |
Caldain Morrow
The Reavers
Externus Hostis
4
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:45:00 -
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Personally, the danger of being the lone miner/missioner is what makes things interesting for me. Can I survive another day here in low sec? Will this be the mission I cash in with? The risk gives the game it's spice. I wouldn't change it for the world. Conversely, I will go out and suicide gank someone for ***** and giggles after a bad day because it's a way to lash out in a socially acceptable way. It's nothing personal, just about every time I've been blown up it's because I was there and an easy mark. Guess what; If I blow you up, odds are it's because you were there and an easy mark. Also, it's all just pixels and vectors, deal. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
91
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:49:00 -
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I see the griefers have not made their breakthrough yet.
Still hiding behind "it's a game".
Is relishing in someone elses misfortune as virtual as your space ship?
I know the fear of being on the wrong end of that has saved my ship enough times, as I have described, so it must be very real and powerful.
Just admit it. I am not asking you to change, I am asking you to admit who and what you are.
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Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
38
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:52:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I see the griefers have not made their breakthrough yet.
Still hiding behind "it's a game".
Is relishing in someone elses misfortune as virtual as your space ship?
I know the fear of being on the wrong end of that has saved my ship enough times, as I have described, so it must be very real and powerful.
Just admit it. I am not asking you to change, I am asking you to admit who and what you are.
trolololololololol |
Reislier
31
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:30:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I see the griefers have not made their breakthrough yet.
Still hiding behind "it's a game".
Is relishing in someone elses misfortune as virtual as your space ship?
I know the fear of being on the wrong end of that has saved my ship enough times, as I have described, so it must be very real and powerful.
Just admit it. I am not asking you to change, I am asking you to admit who and what you are.
Some people admit mistakes, few admit failings, and none admit stupid.
Eve can be as large or small as CCP wishes. |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
3
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:36:00 -
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I just love the way gankers (incorrectly accused by some as griefers) accuse miners and mission runners of being carebears:
Gankers shoot targets that can't shoot back (just like miners)
Gankers only get shot at by NPCs (like mission runners)
Irony overload! |
Aubepine Finfleur
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2011.11.04 17:04:00 -
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Riedle wrote:
LOL
Dude, get a grip - seriously.
If you think someone blowing up your internet pixels in a game largely built around that purpose is a reason that humanity is evil then I would consider you to have lead a blessed life. Consider yourself lucky, but in need of some psychological counselling.
Things that really suck in life will give you perspective some day.
You miss the point completely. What annoys a large portion of the playerbase is that a minority of players are not after good clean fun PvP, but cheese and scam their way with for only goal, sweet sweet Schadenfreude. Non-territory interdiction gatecamps, Lofty tricks, suicide ganking, all that. This minority does not play a videogame, they just use EvE as a means to get cheap kicks out of a complete stranger. They do not seek to best someone in a balanced pitting of skills, they just want people to rage. If they could delete your emails, order coffins to your home or whatever without any risk at all, they would do it.
But they don't, because they're IRL cowards and closet spineless sociopaths whose pathetic solace after a day of unskilled work and being shouted at by their superiors (whom they hate, but are too pansy do to anything about it), is to log in a videogame and find new ways to not play the game (i.e. roleplay capsuleers), but grief complete strangers who do want to roleplay capsuleers and care about internet spaceships.
Now, if those people want gamers to relinquish their love for virtual things, I'm sure there are better ways to do it. And if they're just after Schadenfreude, they should be forthcoming about it instead of hiding behind bankrupt arguments.
And yes, the state of gankbearing in EvE is a clear proof that a minority of people, in any context, can be a huge annoyance for the majority. This minority needs to be forcibly removed, be they serial rapists, killers, pedocriminals... In the flesh world, they are, albeit not all (corrupt bankers/traders/politicians, yellow journalists, are terrible nuisances). Why can't we have ingame tools to remove them from New Eden ?
Note again that New Eden security is hamfisted in highsec and uninteresting in lowsec (gateguns force blobby gatecamps) only because of those gankbears. There is more than half the population of highsec that would love to have Concord removed or toned way down, if only gankbears could be forced out of the game in order to let real, meaningful and roleplayey PvP prosper.
Which is why sandboxy MMOs direly need light psychological profiling for their user accounts.
The sad truth about morality in EvE :
eve-search.com/search/author/EpicFailTroll |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
664
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Posted - 2011.11.04 17:40:00 -
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Aubepine Finfleur wrote:in order to let real, meaningful and roleplayey PvP prosper.
Ugh...roleplayers are horrible people. We don't want to encourage their kind to fester here.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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