Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 .. 81 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 15 post(s) |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
140
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:07:00 -
[811] - Quote
Well let's all hold up and wait for a complete update from CCP Rise, and hopefully he adds the pics of the SoE BS also. |
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
129
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:10:00 -
[812] - Quote
Armakoir wrote: I think the argument is: just because some people will use the exploration bonuses because they are there doesn't mean this ship will take on the role of an exploration ship.
And just because it's expensive doesn't mean it should get 7 full combat bonuses and make alliance tournament ships look shabby. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
125
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:12:00 -
[813] - Quote
Jell Feed wrote:NESTOR
Amarr Battleship Bonuses: 4% Armor resistances per level
Gallente Battleship Bonuses: 10% drone damage and hitpoints per level
Role bonuses: 100% bonus to remote capacitor transfer 100% bonus to remote armor repairer range + Same bonus as a BLOPS
Done!
Not a bad idea, but Fozzie also said it's keeping exploration bonuses!
Here's an idea then-
Nestor
Amarr Battleship bonus: 4% bonus to armor resists per level
Gallente Battleship bonus: 10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints per level
Role Bonuses: 100% bonus to remote armor repair range and strength 50% bonus to large energy turret tracking 625% bonus to velocity while cloaked 50% bonus to scan strength of probes +20 virus strength to analyzers
Can fit covert cynosural field generators and covert jump portal generators
No targeting delay after decloaking
Drones (bandwidth/bay): 125/500 Cargo: 850m3
Jump Drive: Maximum Range: 3.5 LY Fuel Needed: 300 Fuel Type: Oxygen Isotopes
"A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
125
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:13:00 -
[814] - Quote
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:Well let's all hold up and wait for a complete update from CCP Rise, and hopefully he adds the pics of the SoE BS also. He already did- and I love the design: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wza1xux7ql2m3jp/SOE_Nestor_Battleship_FinalConcept_lrg.png
I can't wait to fly that "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
140
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:13:00 -
[815] - Quote
And I sure hope the coming Cald/Min faction ships, that BS has the same repair bonuses but for shields! |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
125
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:14:00 -
[816] - Quote
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:And I sure hope the coming Cald/Min faction ships, that BS has the same repair bonuses but for shields! I'm betting that'll be Mordus- and I can see that happening "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
140
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:15:00 -
[817] - Quote
Do you have another link to the pic, stupid gov computer, I can't open that one :^ ( |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
1063
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:16:00 -
[818] - Quote
Please stop posting stupid stats that would be overpowered or render other ships useless. +1 |
Jell Feed
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:17:00 -
[819] - Quote
DD Droid wrote:I think its perfect. The jump drive locking to covert cyno would fit perfect with its role and factions mission statement.
There are completely empty systems 40 to 50 jumps from empire. No one goes there, no one lives there. Dropping a Nestor into these areas is where it would perform best. This is its natural environment. Empty space, Ghost sites, could jump what stuff it could fit in its 700m3 cargo out with a covert cyno back to empire. Astero and Stratios have covert cloaks, so they could get there themselves easier. Nestor needs a jump drive.
The rest looks great as it is. Complete harmony and balance otherwise. Its exploration mandate cries for a jump drive, though not covert ops cloak. Could fit a normal cloak if you want, the probe bonus it gets would be mitigated to what it would be without a cloak or bonus.
Good work CCP!
Finally someone sees the light! + 1 for you sir! |
Grenn Putubi
Swag Co. SWAG Co
32
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:18:00 -
[820] - Quote
Deleted because I'm apparently wrong... |
|
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
125
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:18:00 -
[821] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Please stop posting stupid stats that would be overpowered or render other ships useless. How is this one overpowered/useless? It's basically an exploration Black Ops:
Nestor
Amarr Battleship bonus: 4% bonus to armor resists per level
Gallente Battleship bonus: 10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints per level
Role Bonuses: 100% bonus to remote armor repair range and strength 50% bonus to large energy turret tracking 625% bonus to velocity while cloaked 50% bonus to scan strength of probes +20 virus strength to analyzers
Can fit covert cynosural field generators and covert jump portal generators
No targeting delay after decloaking
Drones (bandwidth/bay): 125/500 Cargo: 850m3
Jump Drive: Maximum Range: 3.5 LY Fuel Needed: 300 Fuel Type: Oxygen Isotopes "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Black Slag Authenticated Corrosive.
45
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:20:00 -
[822] - Quote
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:Well let's all hold up and wait for a complete update from CCP Rise, and hopefully he adds the pics of the SoE BS also. From someone who has been following the RLML thread quite closely for the last couple weeks: I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for Rise to get around to responding about the changes that he's already pushed through. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
125
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:20:00 -
[823] - Quote
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:Do you have another link to the pic, stupid gov computer, I can't open that one :^ ( http://i.imgur.com/EwfmvYc.jpg?1
It's the same thing, but now we can read it "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
140
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:22:00 -
[824] - Quote
They are updated, he edited the first post |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
140
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:25:00 -
[825] - Quote
Rapids are Fed so no matter what they are going to get looked at, just like heavies will, and hopefully defenders. This is osmething a bit different, and as CCP Rise said he'd post soon about it, I'm slightly hopeful he might haha |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
125
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:25:00 -
[826] - Quote
I find it hilarious that my original design is less powerful than this one ended up being
That said, I think I like this one better "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Grenn Putubi
Swag Co. SWAG Co
32
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:25:00 -
[827] - Quote
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:And I sure hope the coming Cald/Min faction ships, that BS has the same repair bonuses but for shields!
I'm a bit miffed that they made the change from an untyped RR bonus to armor only. I was looking forwards to using this ship to help rep hull damage faster :( |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
141
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:28:00 -
[828] - Quote
Well now you get to look forward to the Cald/Min BS being a shield repairer \o/ |
Savira Terrant
Forsaken Identity Unchained.
69
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:29:00 -
[829] - Quote
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:And I sure hope the coming Cald/Min faction ships, that BS has the same repair bonuses but for shields!
NOOO!!!
The sisters ship already puts future designs into a deadlock in peoples mind. I can't believe this. . |
Thabink
PonyWaffe Insidious Empire
8
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:31:00 -
[830] - Quote
Ok, this has gone through a few iterations and turned in to a treatise:
Idea 1: So my first idea to differentiate it was just: Give it a jump drive. (apologies if this has already been suggested, but Search didn't show anything)
It'd be more in keeping with the SOE ethos than combat bonuses. It'd give them a way to get around safely without just giving them a covops cloak. Its low mass already makes it attractive to wormholers, a jump drive would make it attractive to null and low sec residents.
Make it able to jump to covert cynos so that it can participate with blops fleets, but don't let it detect covert cynos in system with them. Obviously don't let it fit covert jump portals.
Skill requirement would have to include JDO1, necessitating Warp Drive Op 5, but this wouldn't be a major problem even for those not intending to use the jump drive since WDO isn't a high rank skill.
Pros: * Unique feature for null and low sec users that they can jump their ship around without needing a carrier.
Cons: * Mostly useless to high sec users. * Might make it a bit too safe for ratting in.
Idea 2: After that I was lamenting that loss of the RR battleship role, which would also be unique, and I was wondering how to balance a battleship to be competitive as a pve boat as well as having a jump drive without making it OP as hell for hot drops, then a thought occurred to me: why not borrow some ideas from T3s, and have an interchangable subsystem:
Jump Reconfiguration: Grants the Nestor a jump drive. Increases mass, increasing align time so it can't jump in and warp on a dime. 100mb drone bandwidth.
Combat Reconfiguration: Gives remote repair bonus Gives laser optimal bonus 125mb drone bandwidth
Covert Reconfiguration?: (Does NOT allow the use of covops cloaks) Increases speed while cloaked by 400% 100mb drone bandwidth. Grants probe and hacking bonuses.
This would also solve the problem of skill requirements, since the Jump Reconfiguration subsystem only could require jump skills, meaning if you didn't have any use for the jump drive you wouldn't need to train them.
And yes, I realise it's an unrealistic proposal. I can dream. |
|
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
141
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:31:00 -
[831] - Quote
It will need to happen. Before the priate factions were always one armor and one shield race, now the SoE are 2 armor races, so only faction ship not out is Cald/Min. Needs to happen. All I can hope for is that is'nt a "true" missile boat, as NO pirate faction is yet. I know I know the Worm, Gila, and RS can use missiles, but really they are drone boats NOT a missile boat. It's time for a true missile pirate and hopefully it will be a pretty good shield tank and be slightly speedy |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
610
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:38:00 -
[832] - Quote
Grenn Putubi wrote:Harvey James wrote:christ 5 role bonuses and these can rep more than logi cruisers ... OP much?????? Without a reduction in activation cost I really don't think you're going to be using more than 1 or 2 at a time regardless of how much they can rep.
you assume its a solo battleship in a fleet but you would always have more than one battleship thus you would have cap tansfers going on like real logi ships do (guardians/Basi's) and cap boosters so you would have no trouble keeping 3 reps going Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
135
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:39:00 -
[833] - Quote
CCP Rise wrote:Okay, another short update:
Adding role bonus: 100% bonus to remote armor repairer range
We agreed that this will make quality of life a lot better when attempting to use the remote repair bonus without adding too much power.
Possibly a more detailed post in a couple hours regarding the discussion on black ops/bridging/cloaking and the all-over-the-place design, but I'm super busy atm and just wanted to make sure you guys knew about this change as soon as possible.
Thanks Nice, thanks for the addition. This should make using these in a RR ball much easier.
I hope you've given some serious consideration to potentially allowing these ships to have a covert jump drive. I think having a covops cloak or the ability to fit a Covert Jump Portal Generator would be too powerful, but a covert jump drive would fit well with the "limited covert capability" feel the rest of the ship line has. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
353
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:40:00 -
[834] - Quote
i see the entitled crowd wanting a new ship especially tailored to their own desires are still out in force. Why on earth you all want this ship to try and fill roles other ships already do better is beyond me. It has a ton of bonuses allowing it to be used in many ways but carefully designed so that trying to fit for all of them at once would be a mess. It will be expensive and have niche uses. Some people will find clever ways of using it as the combination of bonuses is pretty new. This to me is the essence of eve. Getting a new toy which will have potentially novel uses is not a reason to qq everywhere and to copy paste other peoples ideas as if that were worth a new post. Once again i leave Features and ideas feeling the need to spam the dislike button on 95% of the posts and sad because there is no such button. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
141
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:43:00 -
[835] - Quote
I think it has too many bonuses to be honest. I don't think it should get any type of repair bonus. Take it off give it a 400% or 500% to cloak velocity and allow it to jump through cynos. Kepp everything else the same, and be done with it. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
343
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:44:00 -
[836] - Quote
I really have a hard time following on the big issue the hacking/scanning boni seem to create. It's like asking for coffee, getting free cake, complaining that you don't like the cake, and demanding something else. It just doesn't work that way. You ordered coffee, you're given *this* cake for free. Deal with it. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec" |
Phoenix Jones
The Scope Gallente Federation
301
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:47:00 -
[837] - Quote
Silvetica Dian wrote:i see the entitled crowd wanting a new ship especially tailored to their own desires are still out in force. Why on earth you all want this ship to try and fill roles other ships already do better is beyond me. It has a ton of bonuses allowing it to be used in many ways but carefully designed so that trying to fit for all of them at once would be a mess. It will be expensive and have niche uses. Some people will find clever ways of using it as the combination of bonuses is pretty new. This to me is the essence of eve. Getting a new toy which will have potentially novel uses is not a reason to qq everywhere and to copy paste other peoples ideas as if that were worth a new post. Once again i leave Features and ideas feeling the need to spam the dislike button on 95% of the posts and sad because there is no such button.
Lol well the same happened when they nerfed the Stratios drone bay, cause people liked the concept of a 5 heavy drone or sentry drone ishtar with a covert ops cloaking device :-).
It wasn't balanced in any conceivable way, but yea. Stabbers are totally broken
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15116553
|
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
380
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:48:00 -
[838] - Quote
Silvetica Dian wrote:i see the entitled crowd wanting a new ship especially tailored to their own desires are still out in force. Why on earth you all want this ship to try and fill roles other ships already do better is beyond me. It has a ton of bonuses allowing it to be used in many ways but carefully designed so that trying to fit for all of them at once would be a mess. It will be expensive and have niche uses. Some people will find clever ways of using it as the combination of bonuses is pretty new. This to me is the essence of eve. Getting a new toy which will have potentially novel uses is not a reason to qq everywhere and to copy paste other peoples ideas as if that were worth a new post. Once again i leave Features and ideas feeling the need to spam the dislike button on 95% of the posts and sad because there is no such button.
I don't think this is an entirely fair comment. There is a large and established player base who have long memories of broken ships and mechanics, and a company in CCP who was unwilling to fix them. People left the game in droves, hating the game that they had loved for so long.
We are very keen not to see a return to this sad state of affairs, and we are happy that Rise and Fozzie are keen to hear us.
The consensus seems to be that the ship in its proposed form does not add anything to the game. Rise and Fozzie are just two people, who recognise that the wisdom of crowds is to be respected.
So we give our views, hoping that we can help the devs to an epiphany that will allow them to release ships that enhance the game that we all enjoy so much.
Winter marauders - more replies than any other thread, for a ship that no-one flies :-)
|
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
129
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:50:00 -
[839] - Quote
Mournful Conciousness wrote:Rise and Fozzie are just two people, who recognise that the wisdom of crowds is to be respected.
Are you serious? |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
141
|
Posted - 2013.12.05 16:51:00 -
[840] - Quote
But they don't always "hear" us, rapids are a VERY good sign hat they choose when to listen and when to pretty much tell us to F off, don't forget that |
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 .. 81 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |