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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
128
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:21:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:No like I said it will cost around the price of the most pricey priate BSs OR a bit more, but this 2bil isn't gonna happen. I will be around a bil to 1.5bil, but I'm guessing closer to a bil. Well I think you're wrong, personally. The Nestor will be much more difficult to obtain, as it won't be found in sites, and the only easy way to get them is very expensive.
It will be at least 2 billion ISK. People always want to make a profit, and they won't unless it sells for at least that much. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
142
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:22:00 -
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Won't be 2bil, sorry. Might at first, but ALL ships are pricey as hell when they first hit EVE. After a month or so it wil go down. And bring that up, when you do Sanc missions, maybe have it so faction or officers can drop a BP for a SoE ship, sounds cool to me |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
635
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:25:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:No like I said it will cost around the price of the most pricey priate BSs OR a bit more, but this 2bil isn't gonna happen. I will be around a bil to 1.5bil, but I'm guessing closer to a bil.
It will because that is the lower end of what you will ever see on the market.
Because when I'm cashing LP I look at the market, look at my spread sheet and determine was is going to make the best resturn because click buy on the LP store screen.
If I DON'T see 1.4-1.7 bil for the BPC I buy something else, this is very simple economics, I'm not sure why you are arguing it.
I'll grant its not worth (close to) that price, but anything less I'm not trying to put it up. Particularly when I just turned over 3 stratios BPCs for 270mil (2k/LP) on a buddie deal and the buyer was thrilled that I hooked him up in that fashion. It was 30% under market and low for ANY SOE LP exchange. For a bit of perspective you are still looking at a 1.35 bil blueprint at that rate, which is about 3 times the normal pirate ship BPC.
...and I'll get it or I won't sell it.
See?
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BeanBagKing
Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred
262
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:26:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:No like I said it will cost around the price of the most pricey priate BSs OR a bit more, but this 2bil isn't gonna happen. I will be around a bil to 1.5bil, but I'm guessing closer to a bil. Also you will have people doing Sanc missions now like they do for the other pirate factions, and as Sanc cost the same LP and price as the other pirate factions, guess what? Price will be around the same as other pirate ships or slightly right. So again I'm right :^ ) so again stop whining You cited economics pressure, had two people tell you in different words how it doesn't work like that, and simply come back with "no like I said..." You saying so doesn't make it so. Have you ever taken an economics course in your life? Will someone not on a smartphone post a supply/demand curve and explain how it works? |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
635
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:29:00 -
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BeanBagKing wrote:Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:No like I said it will cost around the price of the most pricey priate BSs OR a bit more, but this 2bil isn't gonna happen. I will be around a bil to 1.5bil, but I'm guessing closer to a bil. Also you will have people doing Sanc missions now like they do for the other pirate factions, and as Sanc cost the same LP and price as the other pirate factions, guess what? Price will be around the same as other pirate ships or slightly right. So again I'm right :^ ) so again stop whining You cited economics pressure, had two people tell you in different words how it doesn't work like that, and simply come back with "no like I said..." You saying so doesn't make it so. Have you ever taken an economics course in your life? Will someone not on a smartphone post a supply/demand curve and explain how it works?
Dead on, there is no downward pressure on the supply end there are plenty of money makers in the LP store. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
142
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:32:00 -
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Believe what you like, it won't cost 2bil, sorry. But we will see I guess. Everyhing comes to what people are willing to pay, after awhile people won't pay 2bil for a faction BS. So prices will drop. As I play the market to make ISK in EVE and have over 500bil I might not know everything about supply and demand, but I have ap retty good idea. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
635
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:34:00 -
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Ahh yes, the e-peen argument.
Whatever dude. |
Mr Pragmatic
752
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:36:00 -
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So here is the question on everyones mind.
Does the ring spin. Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
143
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:36:00 -
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:^ ) Enjoy trying to sell your SoE Bs for around 2bil after a month or so. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
143
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:38:00 -
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It better spin, or so help me god!
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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:41:00 -
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Onictus wrote: Dead on, there is no downward pressure on the supply end there are plenty of money makers in the LP store.
He's not alone in having absolutely no understanding of how LP store economics works. Did you see Economic Super Genius Mynna's TMC article where he claimed SoE LP would drop to 800-900 isk/LP because "that's what other high sec ship bpc's go for"? |
Obsidiana
White-Noise
230
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:46:00 -
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Sheild reps too, please. Looks good, though. Nice cargo bay. |
Herpp Derpp
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:46:00 -
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Obsidiana wrote:Sheild reps too, please. Looks good, though. Nice cargo bay.
It's not a shield ship. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
143
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:49:00 -
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Still think it should turn into a gaint robot and brake dance, be pretty sweet, huh huh? |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1380
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:51:00 -
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Since it's so popular to write up complete proposed stat lists, I thought I'd try it too. Underlined are changes from Rise's original post.
[/quote]NESTOR
Amarr Battleship Bonuses: 4% Armor resistances per level
Gallente Battleship Bonuses: 10% drone damage and hitpoints per level
Role bonuses: 50% bonus to Armor Maintenance Bot Repair Amount -100% Scan Resolution Penalty for Cloaking Devices 50% bonus to large energy turret optimal range 50% increased strength for scan probes +10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers
Slot layout: 7H, 6M, 6L; 5 turrets, 0 launchers Fittings: 11250 PWG, 690 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull): 8900 / 9950 / 9900 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 6200 / 1044 / 5.9 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 92 / .18 / 56000000 / 13.97 Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 85 / 7 Sensor strength: 24 Magnetometric Signature radius: 465 Cargo Capacity: 700[/quote]
Thoughts?
By the way, you can fit a full rack of lasers into that amount of powergrid if you use Dual Heavy Beam IIs or Dual Heavy Pulse IIs. |
Mr Pragmatic
753
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:52:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:Still think it should turn into a gaint robot and brake dance, be pretty sweet, huh huh?
How about make all the SoE ships modular like the power rangers robot from the 90s. Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
636
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:53:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote::^ ) Enjoy trying to sell your SoE Bs for around 2bil after a month or so.
Again you miss the point I wouldn't TRY to sell less than that. I don't have to....no reason to try to, NONE. I see the price I want or I'll never have the BPC much less the entire ship. There are plenty of other things that I can make a better margin on.
Get it? |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
143
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:55:00 -
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[quote How about make all the SoE ships modular like the power rangers robot from the 90s. ][/quote] You rock! |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
144
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:58:00 -
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And no you miss the point stop whining. |
NextDarkKnight
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
30
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:00:00 -
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Any notice from Rise about the 8.0 AU Warp speed from the rings yet? |
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2520
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:01:00 -
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Sal Landry wrote:Onictus wrote: Dead on, there is no downward pressure on the supply end there are plenty of money makers in the LP store.
He's not alone in having absolutely no understanding of how LP store economics works. Did you see Economic Super Genius Mynna's TMC article where he claimed SoE LP would drop to 800-900 isk/LP because "that's what other high sec ship bpc's go for"?
Excuse me, but I said that if as many players continue to farm the agents as had been pre-patch that that LP might become devalued. When citing my economic genius, please sure to cite correctly, thank you. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Mr Pragmatic
754
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:02:00 -
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NextDarkKnight wrote:Any notice from Rise about the 8.0 AU Warp speed from the rings yet?
8.0 BS?! Madness. Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
BeanBagKing
Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred
262
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:02:00 -
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Lets try it this way Thaddeus Eggeras, I'll put the power in your hands.
You have 100 LP
I offer you two deals. I will either give you a) 300 isk for every LP or b) 2000 isk for every LP. Which deal will you take?
That is the choice everyone who cashes out LP will be looking at. a) is the BS blueprint, and b) is the sisters probes. Unless a becomes greater than or equal to b, nobody is going to chose a. See?
If a becomes equal to b, then the ship cost will be 2 bil ( or there about). If the ship price dropsanywhere below this, people will start choosing b again because its higher than a. |
Karash Amerius
Sutoka
136
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:04:00 -
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Why not give it bonuses to BOTH armor and shield remote reps? Seriously. Would not be overpowered due to fits being one or the other, and gives some flexibility in one package.
Just 'whiteboarding' here. Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
144
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:07:00 -
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no the choose is when you can't sell your ship for 2bil or the BP for 1.5bil you can either lower your asking price or enjoy holding onto them. Pick. Again these BPs and ships can be bought for the same as the other pirate ships are, so those people can still low ball you lazy ass high seccers and still make good money haha |
NextDarkKnight
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
31
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:07:00 -
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Mr Pragmatic wrote:NextDarkKnight wrote:Any notice from Rise about the 8.0 AU Warp speed from the rings yet? 8.0 BS?! Madness.
A battleship with 8.0 bonuses sounds like madness as well! Go Super speed SOE battleship!
Hears a chant in the background " RISE... RISE .. RISE .." |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1380
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:07:00 -
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BeanBagKing wrote:Lets try it this way Thaddeus Eggeras, I'll put the power in your hands.
You have 100 LP
I offer you two deals. I will either give you a) 300 isk for every LP or b) 2000 isk for every LP. Which deal will you take?
That is the choice everyone who cashes out LP will be looking at. a) is the BS blueprint, and b) is the sisters probes. Unless a becomes greater than or equal to b, nobody is going to chose a. See?
If a becomes equal to b, then the ship cost will be 2 bil ( or there about). If the ship price dropsanywhere below this, people will start choosing b again because its higher than a.
Thaddeus is kind of right, but only because there are some very truly monumentally stupid people playing EVE. Just like people who assume the minerals they mine have no ISK value and thus sell ships for below manufacturing cost, there will be people who sell Nestor BPCs at an effective loss compared to more profitable things because they don't understand the concept of ISK-per-LP exchange or are too lazy to bother with it.
What he isn't understanding is that most people who have even a slight understanding of the ISK/LP concept will simply not buy Nestor BPCs at all if something else offers a better ISK return on their LP investment, meaning that if the BPC doesn't sell for at least X amount there won't be any to buy in the first place. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1551
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:09:00 -
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Mr Pragmatic wrote:NextDarkKnight wrote:Any notice from Rise about the 8.0 AU Warp speed from the rings yet? 8.0 BS?! Madness.
Madness"
(Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma...)
I, I can't get these memories out of my mind, And some kind of madness has started to evolve. (Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma...) And I, I tried so hard to let you go, But some kind of madness is swallowing me whole, yeah (Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma...)
I have finally seen the light, And I have finally realized What you mean.
Ooh oh oh
And now I need to know is this real love, Or is it just madness keeping us afloat? (Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma...) And when I look back at all the crazy fights we had, Like some kind of madness was taking control, yeah (Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma...)
And now I have finally seen the light, And I have finally realized What you need.
Mmmm...
(Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma...)
But now I have finally seen the end (finally seen the end) And I'm not expecting you to care (expecting you to care) But I have finally seen the light (finally seen the light) I have finally realized (realized) I need to love I need to love
Come to me Just in a dream. Come on and rescue me. Yes I know, I can be wrong, Maybe I'm too headstrong. Our love is (Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma...) Madness
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Mr Pragmatic
754
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:09:00 -
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Karash Amerius wrote:Why not give it bonuses to BOTH armor and shield remote reps? Seriously. Would not be overpowered due to fits being one or the other, and gives some flexibility in one package.
Just 'whiteboarding' here.
No, this inst a jovian craft. Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
144
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:11:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco, ding ding ding! Someone got it. Try to sell a SoE Bs for 2bil, someone will do it for 1.5bil and so on. |
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