How about even a small range bonus. RR range unbonused is really tiny, a fixed 100% range bonus taking it up to 16.8km would make it a lot more usable

How about even a small range bonus. RR range unbonused is really tiny, a fixed 100% range bonus taking it up to 16.8km would make it a lot more usable

Hi

I am very relieved to finally show you the Sisters of EVE Battleship, the Nestor. We weren't able to get it finalized before Rubicon went out, but that's alright because now it makes a nice Christmas present (just kidding it's not until (late)January).

We all agreed that keeping the covert cloak theme was not going to work for the battleship. Instead, we've kept the rest of the exploration feel from the Stratios and Astero by giving the Nestor hacking and probing bonuses, but instead of cloaking it will receive a bonus to remote armor repair amount, drawing on the Sisters of EVE themes of aid and relief. On top of that, the Nestor (as designed currently) has incredibly low mass - around half the mass of a normal Battleship. This should make it very popular in wormholes. The rest of the attribute layout follows the principles from the other Sisters of EVE ships pretty closely, as do the bonuses.

Here's the details:

NESTOR

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% Armor resistances per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% drone damage and hitpoints per level

Role bonuses:
50% bonus to remote repair amount
50% bonus to large energy turret optimal range
50% increased strength for scan probes
+10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers

Slot layout: 7H, 6M, 6L; 5 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 11250 PWG, 680 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 8900 / 9950 / 9900
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 6200 / 1044 / 5.9
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 92 / .18 / 56000000 / 13.97
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 85 / 7
Sensor strength: 24 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 465
Cargo Capacity: 700

It will be acquired in the same way that the Stratios and Astero are, via Sisters of EVE LP stores. Here are the LP offer specifics:

Nestor
1,000,000 LP
100,000,000 ISK

Discount Nestor (From the Sanctuary)
800,000 LP
80,000,000 ISK

Nestor Blueprint
600,000 LP
150,000,000 ISK

Discount Nestor Blueprint (From the Sanctuary)
400,000 LP
100,000,000 ISK

I wanted to show you guys some art, but wasn't able to get ahold of the newest version today so I'll edit later with it.

Hope this is exciting! Let me know
o/

How about even a small range bonus. RR range unbonused is really tiny, a fixed 100% range bonus taking it up to 16.8km would make it a lot more usable

That mass reduction should help alleviate that with a prop mod providing a bit more than the usual effect.

Entirely possible, yeah. I'd like to play about with these things on SiSi when they come out. It may not be a problem at all, but I have a difficult time imagining an agile armor battleship in my mind. It's just an oxymoron that won't work. :P

no cov ops bonus?

instead of cloaking it will receive a bonus to remote armor repair amount

Role bonuses:
50% bonus to remote repair amount

Feels very bland I'm afraid.

Disappointed it isn't a blops.

How about even a small range bonus. RR range unbonused is really tiny, a fixed 100% range bonus taking it up to 16.8km would make it a lot more usable

We can certainly discuss this amount vs range thing. Can you guys help me out saying specifically in relation to it:

Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both?
Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.

Nestor
1,000,000 LP
100,000,000 ISK

Seriously?

We can certainly discuss this amount vs range thing. Can you guys help me out saying specifically in relation to it:

Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both?
Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.

+10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers

My 2 cts.:


Remove



because, really.. who runs data sites in a faction battleship

and swap it for some decent remote rep range..

Data sites in wormholes don't explode and nearly (or successfully) one-shot your cruiser.

Ghost sites, on the other hand...

The analysis ability is obviously designed so you can effectively run null/WH ghost sites with the benefit of battleship EHP to handle the massive explosion.

We can certainly discuss this amount vs range thing. Can you guys help me out saying specifically in relation to it:

Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both?
Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.

Alright, but I thought the general idea was to avoid the explosion, not sit there and try to eat it in your billion isk faction battleship...

We can certainly discuss this amount vs range thing. Can you guys help me out saying specifically in relation to it:

Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both?
Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.

If you fail a hack, boom.

If you disconnect for any reason it counts as a failed hack. Boom.

If you take too long during a hack or hang around in the site too long, bigger boom.

It's something that, if triggered, you can't avoid.

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.

This thing will cost roughly 6 to 800 million isk for a few months at least.

We can certainly discuss this amount vs range thing. Can you guys help me out saying specifically in relation to it:

Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both?
Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.

1) Incursions. Now all armor, with several of these ships to repair the field, as they can be mega tanked to absorb alpha that some logistics ships would have issues taking. All oneiros and guardian ships now replaced with sister medic ships. Oneiros prices plummit to 0. Gallente Logistic pilots cry. Ship reduced to lolneroses.

mm... its agility seems a little poor compared to other faction ships..

mach
0.084

Nestor
0.18

so swap some mass for agility instead

Align time is a function of agility and Mass

So low mass is compensating for worse agility - and no one expect a "pirate dominix" to be as agile as mach

second: low Mass is critical for two things. WH jumping (lower mass means more BS's put trough a single hole) and prop mods efficency (final speed bonus is a function of speed bonus and thrust versus mass)

Since a large part of the SoE ships are their advanced circular warp drives, does anyone else think it'd be reasonable to make this battleship warp faster than a normal battleship? Maybe 2.5 au/s? It also would line up well with the decreased mass idea. Just seems like there aught to be a purpose to that giant circular engine since it's not being used as a stabilizer for covert cloaks.

Also, I'd just like to say that I really love the look of the concept art I saw for it, with the front loaded warp engine: http://imgur.com/9gSs7J8

We can certainly discuss this amount vs range thing. Can you guys help me out saying specifically in relation to it:

Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both?
Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.

We can certainly discuss this amount vs range thing. Can you guys help me out saying specifically in relation to it:

Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both?
Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.

Or drop the RR for black ops cloak bonuses (recalibration and velocity bonuses)

Please let's not turn this thing into another ship that has to be pre-nerfed for being a sologankmobile that nobody will actually use for ganking - you know, like the Stratios.

We can certainly discuss this amount vs range thing. Can you guys help me out saying specifically in relation to it:

Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both?
Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.

We can certainly discuss this amount vs range thing. Can you guys help me out saying specifically in relation to it:

Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both?
Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.

Leave the virus bonus. It doesn't need a MJD bonus with that super-low mass, either.

We all agreed that keeping the covert cloak theme was not going to work for the battleship.

Role bonuses:
50% bonus to remote repair amount
50% bonus to large energy turret optimal range
50% increased strength for scan probes
+10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers

Except that they aren't circular warp drives. They're strange structures that are connected to the power core. Until now, they've been connected to augmenting cloak operation.

In it's current for the ship is just a PVE boat. Anything with a rep range under 20km will not get used as logi unless you spider tanking and even then, other battle ships would do a better job.

Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both?
Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.

Which is in turn why it has a very low base speed - it prevents its low mass from making it really, really fast with an MWD on.

What battleship has 10.5 highslots?

Role bonuses:
50% bonus to remote repair amount
50% bonus to large energy turret optimal range
50% increased strength for scan probes
+10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers

It does 1,183ms with a MWD, before implants, ganglinks and other modules.

Which is in turn why it has a very low base speed - it prevents its low mass from making it really, really fast with an MWD on.

8 lows on this ship with the amarr resist bonus would be a little nuts. Slot layout looks fine.

Generally people want range with repairers, because they don't want to land this isk pinata at 0 on a fleet. Most support wont land at 0, but will keep away from the main ball of the fleet.

This is an oddball because its built to tank, but it has that odd optimal bonus to guns...

Lots of setups, odd ship.

If you want this ship to be a repairing support ship, you have to give it all the support bonuses (repair amounts and range). I'm not even sure if it needs an optimal bonus to lasers.

It needs the range, it needs the repair amount bonus, yea its allot of bonuses to one hull.

What is SoE going to do with all of this sudden influx of isk? I'm worried that it is going to corrupt their benevolent institution.

We can certainly discuss this amount vs range thing. Can you guys help me out saying specifically in relation to it:

Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both?
Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.

Which puts it at the top end for T1 BS (a Tempest does 1154, a Typhoon 1154) but is well short of the 1433m/s it'd get if it had a 122m/s base speed like the Megathron.

Maybe ditch the whole exploration aspect of the ship and focus more on the medic theme? Make it a sort of medic BLOps with a jump drive, RR bonuses, ship refitting, and able to fit command links? Like a mobile triage base or something?

hi guys like drop the laser bonus and make this a blops bs, it doesn't even need to get a covert cloak, just the velocity modifier and jump drive ok

nobody's going to use a 1.5B RR BS that can't even covert jump except maybe some niche lowsec and syndicate nerds nobody cares about, but this set of bonuses (except the probing bonus lol?) would be perfect for (and is mostly in line with) the current blops BS roles

you already made the frigate and cruiser covert and the theme established for covert BS is jump drive / cloaked velocity

don't leave us hanging like this we were all expecting a covert BS

RR amount? With no range bonus?

We can certainly discuss this amount vs range thing. Can you guys help me out saying specifically in relation to it:

Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both?
Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.

They said it would be for wormholes. What use would jump bridging be in wormholes? Besides, there's nothing stopping you from fitting an Improved Cloak like a blackops.

I think we all expected that it wouldn't be a true covert-ops battleship.

... Give the ship the covops cloak...

Someone suggested just chucking the exploration bonuses and turn this ship into a spacepriest.

Maybe this might work.

Chuck the laser optimal bonus, Give the ship the covops cloak. Give it a MJD (micro jump drive) bonus the marauders have. Increase the remote repair range to 300% percent (range of roughly 30km should do) Give it the bastion module.

There. You now have a sentry based blackops logistics marauder. Covops cloak, sentries, bastion module resistances, remote repairs, billion+ isk ship.

Thats one hell of a spacepriest. completely OP to hell and back. A gang would love one (or 20) of these with them. You get surrounded, start spider tanking the spacepriests.

Marauders in trouble, black ops drop some spacepriests.

With all of that, it MIGHT be worth a billion + isk. Call it a Mini Logistically Capable flying carrier.

EVERY logistics pilot will want to fly one of those (can actually jump with T3 covops gangs, take blackops cynos to support other ships), can actually bring in a support vessel through black ops in other areas. Hell it can even do pew with the sentry drones (and a good amount of pew with the damage bonus)

Blackops Logistics Marauder... Spacepriest... yea I like it.

if i had it my way you'd be banned for 30 day from posting in the eve-o forums for posting that suggestion. Stop sh*tting up these forums with ridiculously dumb suggestions.



and you!

What if you gave it the ability (and corresponding bonuses) to deploy a flight of Repair drones along side it's combat ones? I don't know how hard that is from a code standpoint, but being able to rep one ship while your Gardes tear up another is pretty cool, and would be a blast to play compared to a normal logi.

Give it the ability to use a titan doomsday!

You are joking, but this at least would give the ship a (stupid) purpose. The way it is now, I would name my own vanity Nestor "The Flying Coffin".

It looks like a Jack of all trades, master of none. Or better, a Jack of some trades, expert of none.

Hi

I am very relieved to finally show you the Sisters of EVE Battleship, the Nestor. We weren't able to get it finalized before Rubicon went out, but that's alright because now it makes a nice Christmas present (just kidding it's not until (late)January).

We all agreed that keeping the covert cloak theme was not going to work for the battleship. Instead, we've kept the rest of the exploration feel from the Stratios and Astero by giving the Nestor hacking and probing bonuses, but instead of cloaking it will receive a bonus to remote armor repair amount, drawing on the Sisters of EVE themes of aid and relief. On top of that, the Nestor (as designed currently) has incredibly low mass - around half the mass of a normal Battleship. This should make it very popular in wormholes. The rest of the attribute layout follows the principles from the other Sisters of EVE ships pretty closely, as do the bonuses.

Here's the details:

NESTOR

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% Armor resistances per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% drone damage and hitpoints per level

Role bonuses:
50% bonus to remote repair amount
50% bonus to large energy turret optimal range
50% increased strength for scan probes
+10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers

Slot layout: 7H, 6M, 6L; 5 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 11250 PWG, 680 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 8900 / 9950 / 9900
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 6200 / 1044 / 5.9
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 92 / .18 / 56000000 / 13.97
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 85 / 7
Sensor strength: 24 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 465
Cargo Capacity: 700

It will be acquired in the same way that the Stratios and Astero are, via Sisters of EVE LP stores. Here are the LP offer specifics:

Nestor
1,000,000 LP
100,000,000 ISK

Discount Nestor (From the Sanctuary)
800,000 LP
80,000,000 ISK

Nestor Blueprint
600,000 LP
150,000,000 ISK

Discount Nestor Blueprint (From the Sanctuary)
400,000 LP
100,000,000 ISK

I wanted to show you guys some art, but wasn't able to get ahold of the newest version today so I'll edit later with it.

Hope this is exciting! Let me know
o/

At least allow it to get bridged by blackops, if not bridging/jumping by itself.

So... not only CCP yet again failed to produce a coherent line of ships, but at the same time managed to boost the single most boring fleet doctrine (w/o making it less boring). Why am I not surprised?

Welcome to Drones Online.

Its an updated Oneiros, flashier, more expensive, bigger "BOOM".

This thing will cost roughly 6 to 800 million isk for a few months at least.

May or maynot be worth it :-0

Scratch that. This is what the dominix should have been.

6 lows, armor resists per level... things a monster.

Kind of like a mix between the Abaddon and the Dominix. Good blend, good design.

The price though.. yeek

Note: This is what CCP should have released

I am very relieved to finally show you the cooler Sisters of EVE Exploration Battleship, the Nestor.

We believed that keeping the covert cloak theme was not going to work for the battleship initially and we still think it but you whiners want a cloak, so you get at least the black ops bonus. Now you can fit an improved cloak and be faster than molasses. Happy? We began to really understand that there is a need for a dedicated exploration battleship and we will make this work regardless of what you think. This ship has some massive and blocky teeth to it. We decided a jump drive would be a bit too much, though.

We are getting rid of the logistics crap and remove the useless bonus. We don't even know why we had this stupid idea!


Here's the details:

NESTOR

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% Armor resistances per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% drone damage and hitpoints per level

Role bonuses:
Whatever that speed bonus on a black ops was
50% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay because why not

Can not fit Covert Ops Cloaking Devices.
Can fit Bastion Module, but only in your dreams.
Bubble immunity? Huh, what?

SOE LP is worth about 2000 isk/unit if you buy faction probes. If the ship itself costs 1,000,000 LP, it'll cost 2b isk, if the blueprint costs 600,000 LP +150m isk, it still costs over 1.5b, just in LP+isk.

It's going to be expensive, probably at Machariels once were, at the 1b+ range.

Note: This is what CCP should have released

I am very relieved to finally show you the cooler Sisters of EVE Logistics Marauder Battleship, the Nestor.

We believed that keeping the covert cloak theme was not going to work for the battleship initially but we've changed our minds. We began to really understand that there is a need for logistics in Eve outside of logistic cruisers and carriers. We are expanding that feel towards a battleship capable logistics vessel. This ship has some massive teeth to it. The Nestor can now fit a covert ops cloaking device, and is now capable of jumping along with gangs of black-ops battleships and T3's. In addition, the ship's covert ops bonus now permits a great deal of logistics to be fielded through the use of black-ops. Please note, that while this ship can jump through a black-ops bridge, it itself is not capable of creating those bridges. That ability is still ship specific to the black ops battleships.

We are getting rid of the exploration feel of the Nestor and removing the previous hacking and probing bonuses and it will receive a bonus to remote armor repair amount, drawing on the Sisters of EVE themes of aid and relief. On top of that, we are increasing the remote repair range by a huge amount. We are also giving it the mobility potential by adding a micro jump drive bonus (it can get onto the field and remove itself from the field as needed). As this ship will most definitely become primary in every combat scenario, we are going to overload its capabilities by extending the Bastion Module to it. We fear we may have completely overpowered this ship as it would essentially become the first ever Faction Black Ops Cloaking Logistic's Marauder ever. This thing can truly defend itself.

Here's the details:

NESTOR

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% Armor resistances per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% drone damage and hitpoints per level

Role bonuses:
50% bonus to remote repair amount
350% bonus to remote repair range
100% reduction in CPU requirements for cloaks
70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay

Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Devices.
Can fit Bastion Module.

So terrible in so many ways...

Probing and hacking bonuses on a ship that cant cloak? Basically useless if you cant travel safely.

RR bonus on a ship with terrible scanres and will get dropped by dreads as soon as anyone gets wind of more than 1 in a system.

Nothing original...while I agree a covops cloaking BS would likely being very OP...at least it would be unique in some way and not overshadowed by cheaper more effective alternatives.

@ CCP Rise ~

Like others in this thread, at first i though that giving the SoE battleship a covert ops cloak would be overpowered, so i wasn't surprised when you didn't give it that ability. However, now i'm thinking that, as it doesn't have the capabilities of a Black ops ship, it would be no more OP that any other ship that uses a Cover cloak.

A cover cloak on a Black Ops would it make virtually impossible to catch because it also has a jump drive. If the SoE bs had a covert ops cloak, it would be far easier to catch at a gate than say, a cloaky nulli t3.

With this change, the three SoE ship (frigate, cruiser and bs) together would form a fully functional doctrine, specialized in exploration and covert warfare.

I urge you to seriously consider the above.


Rek Seven

Food for thought CCP Rise:

Remember all the whiners in the Stratios thread? The EFT warriors with impossible fits?

Where are those uber ganking monsters that everyone was afraid of? That's right, nowhere to be seen.

The Strat got nerf'd over nothing. I guess un-nerfing is out of the question, but please don;t listen to the whiners this time.

This ship sounds awesome - really can't wait for it. But I see a bit of a problem with it....

I understand the idea of not giving it a Covert Ops Cloak, as this would be a little bit ridiculous, but giving it an exploration bonus gives the impression that it is going to be useful working with the other 2 SoE ships in some way (Stratios and Nestor dualboxing ftw) but because they are designed for extended deployments, this indicates WH or nullsec. If the Nestor cannot cloak well, then it's just going to get trapped and ganked like any other BS you try to bring to do exploration.

So as alternatives, what if we give the Nestor the ability to work in a similar fashion to a Black Ops. So it can fit normal cloaks like any other ship, but it has a small jumpdrive, which can allow a Stratios or covops to essentially "pilot" it through nullsec to sites where its bonuses can be used. The jumpdrive doesn't need to be long - it could even only be a couple of jumps (maybe even just 1 or 2) but that would let careful players be able to move it around to function most effectively.

Purely speaking, if it is going to be an exploration ship it should be able to get to where it's exploring. It can still get murdered if used stupidly, or if you try and bring it through a gate. But if you use it smart it would be an invaluable tool for exploration. I'm considering using a Blops myself as a trailer for my exploration efforts. Just because it can have a stupid cargobay and generally follow a T3 or covops without issue.

TL:DR Nestor should have a mini jumpdrive that can lock onto covert cynos

If it's supposed to be an "aid" ship I don't see how giving it a turret bonus fits that role....
I'd suggest swapping it for the Remote Repair Range Bonus mentioned in previous posts.

I'm sorry that would break the game.
Make it be a faction blackops like the sin, 500% bonus to speed while cloaked, and with the RR bonus. (just range).
Give it the ability to jump and create/use bridges.
Tweek the slot layout so its 5 mids and 7 lows.
Remove the Virus bonus thats kinda dumb. (which you've already done)
and maybe like a small ship maintenance bay since it seems they want it to be a pocket carrier. they also mentioned a medical bay in the first picture but haven't mentioned it here.

i can only see this being useful for nullsec ghost sites, drones for spreading aggro after your buffer gets blammed. nothing more.

This ship sounds awesome - really can't wait for it. But I see a bit of a problem with it....

I understand the idea of not giving it a Covert Ops Cloak, as this would be a little bit ridiculous, but giving it an exploration bonus gives the impression that it is going to be useful working with the other 2 SoE ships in some way (Stratios and Nestor dualboxing ftw) but because they are designed for extended deployments, this indicates WH or nullsec. If the Nestor cannot cloak well, then it's just going to get trapped and ganked like any other BS you try to bring to do exploration.

So as alternatives, what if we give the Nestor the ability to work in a similar fashion to a Black Ops. So it can fit normal cloaks like any other ship, but it has a small jumpdrive, which can allow a Stratios or covops to essentially "pilot" it through nullsec to sites where its bonuses can be used. The jumpdrive doesn't need to be long - it could even only be a couple of jumps (maybe even just 1 or 2) but that would let careful players be able to move it around to function most effectively.

Purely speaking, if it is going to be an exploration ship it should be able to get to where it's exploring. It can still get murdered if used stupidly, or if you try and bring it through a gate. But if you use it smart it would be an invaluable tool for exploration. I'm considering using a Blops myself as a trailer for my exploration efforts. Just because it can have a stupid cargobay and generally follow a T3 or covops without issue.

TL:DR Nestor should have a mini jumpdrive that can lock onto covert cynos

You've never run ghost sites then.