get bent you stupid **** twats perfect skills should not need implants to get perfect results

So, as a lowsec builder

Can't use rorq in high. Anywhere else you always do rorqual compression in the pos shield anyway. And anywhere you've already got a POS shield, save yourself the fuel cost and just run the pos mod. Highsec POSes aren't that hard to get anyway, but it's a useful thing that most people don't realize it.

Not for scrap metal, no.

If you were basing your livelihood solely on scooping completed mission sites, well, I'm afraid you will have to play with the big boys now.

Why would we?

High sec offers the exact same but with all the benefits of high sec safety. Why would we take the extra risk for no reward?

An occupation of scooping trash has become trash.

Maybe there's a smaller trash heap inside?

Actually thanks to the new profession/career/PvP we know and love called Miner-Bumping & Ganking nulsec belts are quite severely safer than what we have in high sec. 5 seconds away from our keyboard means we come back wherever we had our clone at. 5 seconds away from your keyboard means the neut is still 7-8 jumps away from you so you can decide if it's time to dock up.

actually, it sounds like your not happy where you are because even the slightest change made you unhappy
maybe you should contemplate branching out from just reprocessing mission loot, there's a wide world out there

null should be the worst refining and production. there profit is in every other area. this added with the removal of PoS fuels from high sec. just makes the game unrealistic mechs. if you go to the congo to mine gold or diamonds, you do not expect to find a 5 star restaurant. and you expect to import all your eq.

The problem is that what you see as "system after system of belts in null sec" is actually a pittance of ore compared to what the fires of industry require. We work on different scales; the miner sees boundless fields of plenty, while the supercap producer sees a bare pipe rising out of the ground in a desert ghost town, dripping a little bit of trit onto the ground once every few minutes.

Taking nearly 30% of a yield is not a small change by any means, I now have to do 30% more to match miners who now have to do 10% less, and null folks who do nothing to suckle on the teet of R32/R64 Passive moongoo.

I shouldn't have to contemplate branching out, I shouldn't have to contemplate moving, the only reason for this change is to appease null sec groups and CCP's ridiculous fascination with reading news reports about how 4K nolifes spent 18 hours fighting in .01% real time.

I get you are Goonie, and have blued 3/4 of EVE already, but I don't feel that forcing folks to kiss a ring of a null lord is promoting emergent game play. It makes no sense and only further decreases the value of living and operating in Low Security space.

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Then make your recruiters do their stinking jobs and get 3 day old guys in ventures out there mining that crap. 1,000 guys in Ventures have to be better than your trit-drip you see. With changes to corp members allowed you guys have plenty of free space to get them doing gruntwork and still pay them worth their time.

this added with the removal of PoS fuels from high sec.

stop being a lowsec builder?

What world do you live in? I still see ice belts and planets to do pi at in highsec. We have the SAME ice belt mechanics in null as you do in empire.

Let no man touch the sacred cow of whatever profession I've chosen this week!

He might be referring to liquid ozone, which is impossible to get in highsec in large quantities.

Hasnt it always been like that?

Rejoice why? You're obsoleting the rorqual, not buffing it.

Rorqual:
1) can't go where miners mine
2) takes months of skills
3) expensive

POS mod
1) can go anywhere
2) no skills
3) pretty cheap

I guess rorqual will still be useful as a poor man's jump freighter, unless you decide to nerf that too.

I'm hoping that maybe we can reprocess the RorqualGÇÖs and be able to break even on the cost of them. They are going to have to give it so much love, or change its roll, so it is not worthless. I'm thinking they will become the new WH closer after this patch. Who cares what side you get stuck on, right?

Smelt.

You smelt alumina to make aluminium

You also smelt aluminium scrap to make aluminium.

The process of rendering "stuff containing the metal I'm after" into "the metal I'm after" is smelting.

Then make your recruiters do their stinking jobs and get 3 day old guys in ventures out there mining that crap. 1,000 guys in Ventures have to be better than your trit-drip you see. With changes to corp members allowed you guys have plenty of free space to get them doing gruntwork and still pay them worth their time.

Don't forget that CCP already dropped their shorts to the Goons when they added trit and pyerite to the mid grade ores a while back. Does anyone remember King windbag's pompous diatribe about farms and fields?

I guess that didn't work so now we have to try to rig the game some more to enable these people to be even more lazy than they already are. I invite anyone here to stop listening to the Goonswarm windbags who flood these forums with their crybaby antics and pick any path through null sec and visit system after system of belts that are never touched by a mining laser. Billions upon billions in ore and ice that never gets touched by a player. Yet all we see is post after post about how these people can't get enough minerals to make their precious supercaps. It is comical that these supposedly hardcore players who control hundreds of systems and have 20,000 members can't manage to put together a few billion tritanium.

And to top it all off, it is the "carebear" that is ruining the game!

Well it's worth remembering that you're not losing all of that loot income. And your bounty, mission reward, LP, special drops, etc will remain.

Further, if this change is significant enough to reduce that income, it's significant enough to reduce the mineral supply, so price changes will partly compensate.

Additionally fewer people will loot, reducing the loot supply.

Essentially, there will be some compensating effects.

I don't really get the rage over the implant, it's only like 300m, if they were asking people for a cosmos implant or something maybe that would be an issue but the 4% is like nothing, not even the cost of a normal set of +5s

That's a succint summary of 90% of the complaints in this thread.