Don't suppose you have a list of the minerals required for an ML 1 erebus? Just to save me doing the addition?

Any highsec miner whines that CCP is nerfing you, I'm siccing Miniluv on you.

Yes, that is one discussion we internally had as well. We tried to find a term that would encompess both reprocessing and refining, but with no avail.

The point of merging those two terms however is to make it clear it is the same process and station facility / service ( you can't reprocess both ores and materials at the same time at the moment, and both "reprocess" and "refining" are appearing under the Star Map under the "service" tab).

That's ok, I'm apparently very good at confusing people.

NPC station base reprocessing rate can either be 35% or 50%. After the change, with max skills and the implant you will get 72.4% from a 50% base NPC station.

However, we wanted base Reprocessing Array rates to be higher than NPC stations, thus at 52 and 54%. However, since skills are not taken into account for those, we set them up to artificially count as if you have max skills + implant, thus giving them 75.3% and 78.1%.

Outposts will still be on top of those, with a base rate of 60% when fulling upgraded. As such, with max skills and the implant you'll get a maximum reprocessing rate of 86.8% there.

Is that less confusing now?

Any highsec miner whines that CCP is nerfing you, I'm siccing Miniluv on you.

Every high sec mission runner just got totally screwed by you and the rest of your cartel buddies.

So let me get this straight.
Joe high sec mission runner, who is currently getting 100% refine on modules, will now have to have a hugely expensive implant, plus weeks of skills, to achieve a 27.6% nerf in his mission loot income.

So what null sec cartel corp do you have your alt in?

I've been reading through this thread and what I'm not seeing a lot of people comment on is loot reprocs.

I'm sure CCP has access to the amount of minerals that are currently being added to the market through this sort of mining, but I without knowing how much are coming from this method, its going to be pretty hard to fathom just how badly this is going to affect the market. If people were to stop refining all modules for mins that are dropped as loot, this could have a huge affect on the mineral market and having prices going up a good bit.

As another poster said, this is also going to drastically decrease the price for some meta modules (ex: smartbombs that are otherwise valueless). I think people are worried about the wrong thing here (ie minerals from ore) as what CCP has shown is that despite these changes that profession is going to basically stay the same.

I'm just not sure what the point of introducing something like the MTU was if they were going to make looting not profitable, or not worth the time...

Also, with people compressing ore now as a viable profession, I wonder how much minerals that will take off the market since the ore won't be refined and thus also drive the price up. I expect to see all mineral prices rise by 10-20% if not 30% depending on how all this shakes out.

Yep, not being changed.

6) about 50% more JF jumps, due to decreased compression compared to guns


-Chris

And: Are there any changes to the time needed to compress? The BPs hat run times, which made compressing Ice kinda obsolete (you could mine it faster than you could compress it ;))

That's ok, I'm apparently very good at confusing people.

NPC station base reprocessing rate can either be 35% or 50%. After the change, with max skills and the implant you will get 72.4% from a 50% base NPC station.

However, we wanted base Reprocessing Array rates to be higher than NPC stations, thus at 52 and 54%. However, since skills are not taken into account for those, we set them up to artificially count as if you have max skills + implant, thus giving them 75.3% and 78.1%.

Outposts will still be on top of those, with a base rate of 60% when fulling upgraded. As such, with max skills and the implant you'll get a maximum reprocessing rate of 86.8% there.

Is that less confusing now?

Yes but it is probably the most profitable thing a new player can do when they just start out, they're introduced very early on in the tutorials and they give them a good stable income (about 2 million an hour) while their training up for other stuff like combat ships. If they aren't making much money then their going to give up.

Again, it destroys my corps reason to exist. What 5 or 6 people can do now by themselves and some redfrog contracts, will after this take 2 or 3 times the effort and people, will become triple as tedious, and in the end won't be done at all.

CCP Ytterbium: consider above added complexity, is this really what you want?

a mere 200 days to max out refining skills :suicide:

check the new volumes for compression, that might have changed ;)

check the new volumes for compression, that might have changed ;)

The 30 odd billion isk you have to sink into an minmatar outpost to tier 3 with maxium skill and implat 6% should net 100% refine

Again, it destroys my corps reason to exist. What 5 or 6 people can do now by themselves and some redfrog contracts, will after this take 2 or 3 times the effort and people, will become triple as tedious, and in the end won't be done at all.

CCP Ytterbium: consider above added complexity, is this really what you want?

If it stays like this, I'll stop my capital ventures, I should be able to live off the value of my capital bpo's for a few years. But for that I need someone to sell them to for at least NPC market value, which noone will pay by then:

where can I get reimbursement for my capital bpo's?

I'll find you at fanfest :)

-Chris

With how volatile the market will be, it seems like this would be as good of time as any to fix ship mineral costs and do away with the "Extra Materials" section. Merging these "Extra Materials" in with the regular materials (and thus affected by Mineral efficiency) would reduce the mineral costs on these T1 ships slightly, and partly alleviating the burden of a diminished Mineral supply.

You do that anyway.

And I called this huge attack on high sec for the last patch.
Guess I was just off by 6 months.
Every high sec mission runner just got totally screwed by you and the rest of your cartel buddies.