[quote=Malcanis]

I don't think that fixing null industry and not nerfing empire industry are really mutually exclusive. Null industry can be fixed without driving the empire industry to the ground.

I don't think that fixing null industry and not nerfing empire industry are really mutually exclusive. Null industry can be fixed without driving the empire industry to the ground.

Do all the people in empire not realize that 78.2% refine after patch will be the same 100% refine they are currently getting? Empire isn't getting nerfed null is getting a slight buff.

No offense but this is the most confusing blog I've ever read.

Anyway, so this is another case of some people badly abusing a game mechanic and CCP nerfing an entire industry screwing everyone because of few bad apples. Not happy with this at all.

That is only true for Ores.

Modules will not receive this boost, and modules are heavily used in mineral compression to move massive amounts of materials around.

Null is actually getting a nerf at the same time it is getting a buff.

I think you'll find that with simpler and more accessible compression, people won't be refining ores in high sec. Instead they'll be selling compressed ore direct to market.

So, you won't need to export minerals from high to null. You'll transport compressed ore instead.

You should be able to achieve 100% refine with 10.0 Standing (NPC station) + Perfect Skills + Implant

Also change the m3 amounts for modules so they are more reflective of there mineral composition.

Did you miss where ore compression is getting a massive boost to compensate for the loss of scrapmetal processing?

Do all the people in empire not realize that 78.2% refine after patch will be the same 100% refine they are currently getting? Empire isn't getting nerfed null is getting a slight buff.

It would be nice to see you answer something without spin once in a while. Clearly, nosec is totally unrewarding and no one wants to go there. Only by stripping hisec of everything will nosec be rewarding.

You do realize it's not a zero sum game, right?

That is only true for Ores.

Modules will not receive this boost, and modules are heavily used in mineral compression to move massive amounts of materials around.

Null is actually getting a nerf at the same time it is getting a buff.

High sec is getting refining arrays that will refine in the 104% of current yield so they are getting buffed also. And high sec is also getting a compressing array.
I would also like to add they get these buffs with almost no skill investment.

A while ago I mentioned that some people would feel uncomfortable if they couldn't ever get their number to 100%. My suggestion is to realize that there is a max player skill at max efficiency station and that is essentially 100%. Rate yourself against that and forget the silly game mechanics where all the asteroids suddenly have more tritanium.

An increase in volume (m3) would be an interesting addition since it would localize production of some items or force an additional cost in transportation. In the past CCP reduced transportation costs with jump freighters and the like. Increasing volume requires an increase in transportation which requires increased costs. Increased transportation costs encourages local production in null as well as high sec. We will have to see what CCP wants to do with this opportunity.

With the current state of manufacturing, I believe you are wrong on this point:

Highsec has the costumers.
Highsec has perfect refine.
Highsec has more build options.
Highsec has more safety.

The only way you will encourage nullsec industry is to make it competitive with highsec industry. Highsec currently has all the conveniences you'd desire for industry, why would anyone produce in nullsec?

The answer is profitability. You need to reward the effort and risks associated with operating in nullsec/lowsec with more profitable manufacturing. This won't eliminate highsec manufacturing from producing the majority of items in game, because (as demonstrated by many posts in this thread), players are generally lazy and are more than willing to sacrifice some profits for convenience.

There are big changes coming to EVE Online in the summer expansion. One of the biggest changes will be to the way refining and reprocessing works and is calculated. There will be new formulas, new incentives to reprocess in outposts and POSes, and large changes to the ways mineral compression works. We are also improving the functionality of the reprocessing window.

CCP Ytterbium details all these changes in this new dev blog!

Ok I admit it I don't give a flying pickled onion about highsec production just why nerf salvaging and module reprocessing. I tried to stay quiet promise

Using maths, can you explain how to make refining in nullsec better than trivially available 100% refines in free, invulnerable NPC station in hi-sec?

Why should refining in nullsec be better than anywhere else?

Nullsec already has better: Ratting, Rocks, Anomalies, Missions, PI, etc, etc. I'm not real sure how anyone can say that risk out there isn't rewarded.

Aside from other effects mentioned in this thread, the price of a lot of meta 1->3 items is going to plumet, since their value is mostly derived from their reprocessed materials. Any hike in mineral prices is very unlikely to compensate for a 45-50% loss in minerals, since the size of that mineral hike is very dependend on the amount of minerals injected into the mineral market via module repro vs. the amount injected via mining.

So miners and re-processors shouldn't be rewarded for taking more risk?

And screwing High sec over is the perfect way to do. So now you are forced to use POS, which are broken and ancient code, to get the best refining results and still lose money over it, while people in 00 in their blue realms, where no one attacks them, can safely refine in station and get more minerals out of the same ore than what's actually in side the ore ... genius.

So miners and re-processors shouldn't be rewarded for taking more risk?

Buff to miners.

So miners and re-processors shouldn't be rewarded for taking more risk?