You might not be but i have been discussing what merits this change the whole time.

Nothing warrants it. CFC and N3/PL don't use the space they have currently. So why should Low Sec and High Sec take a hit because Null Sec alliances refuse to use what they have?

I just want to know why this is all a big "CFC conspiracy" to make hi sec suffer when PL and N3 own a large portion of space and possibly mine more in their area as it is deathly quiet to roaming people.

This works for anomalies, but falls short for mining and plexing.

For mining, most people, currently, rorq compress and jump their stuff to lowsec for perfect refines. This may change with the changes being outlined here, however!

For plexing, the majority of the value is in the deadspace drops at the end of the complex, which are sold on the market and as such are untaxable.

Then you need to get a system in place that collects the minerals/ores and tax them according to their value. Shouldn't be too hard for an entity with your capacities.
I, however, was more referring to that corps pay taxes (sort of membership fees) to the alliance. It's not unheard of, has been used in the past already and it is up to the corps to organize the taxation of things that you named. For miners the minerals/ores are collected by the corp and taxed as described, for ratters and plexers their bounty tax should be enough to pay their chunk.

The point here is even if you take out any real or alleged nullsec bias in regards to killing scrap metal refines, there are still plenty of good reasons to do it.

Thats because they are to cowardly to take ships that can make bank out into space. After all if people are going to awox mining barges, what will they do to a 2B Mach.

Bring more apologists.

Null entities don't use what they have because income is in passive moongoo and renting. Nerf moongoo into the ground and see the tears really flow because making isk from plexing and mining requires :effort: much easier to let moons pay the SRP and only undock when Mittens summons you to a timer.

In your world, is it somehow not allowed or impossible to use jump freighters to move 425mm railgun Is to lowsec, where the minerals can be melted and used to build in the same station?

Hint: this is how we do it in nullsec currently, minus the whole "melt and build in the same station" bit (since that is not possible.)

Mining profitability is unchanged; miners just need to sell compressed ore instead of minerals.

The scavenger profession is hardly a profession; it is a pittance of minerals and a marginal number of people are doing it, at best.

God damn you are such an idiot you have to be trolling. You realize that goo is alliance level income right? The average null alliance line member does not have their own goo moon.

Please try and keep up. The reason people don't use the space is because they do not need to. Moongoo funds the SRP. People don't need income of their own to replace ships with SRP. Now if you are still following along, reducing the profitability of moongoo would force people to make their own ISK as SRP dries up and thus USE THE SPACE. It wouldn't eliminate it, but it would require players to actually you know play the game.

You do realize that nullsec contains players that are not goons right?

Please try and keep up. The reason people don't use the space is because they do not need to. Moongoo funds the SRP. People don't need income of their own to replace ships with SRP. Now if you are still following along, reducing the profitability of moongoo would force people to make their own ISK as SRP dries up and thus USE THE SPACE. It wouldn't eliminate it, but it would require players to actually you know play the game.

Players don't use their space for many reasons. Maybe they're off staging in a system waiting to respond for a fleet. More than likely for the vast majority of players (those that play 0-4 hours per day) would be more than happy to rat or mine in nullsec if it was easy and consistent but often times its not. If you don't want to deal with hauling **** around in nullsec it just adds to the unatractiveness. It can be hard to restock on ammo and drones. it is usually quite hard(annoying) to get a new ship if you lose one (can't autopilot to jita and back). Usually you can't just login and hit undock without checking local/intel, well you could but once in a while you'd find yourself getting ganked. Most guys stay in highsec cause they enjoy the consistency. Those who hang out in low/null most of the time enjoy their experience there.

That's ok, I'm apparently very good at confusing people.

NPC station base reprocessing rate can either be 35% or 50%. After the change, with max skills and the implant you will get 72.4% from a 50% base NPC station.

However, we wanted base Reprocessing Array rates to be higher than NPC stations, thus at 52 and 54%. However, since skills are not taken into account for those, we set them up to artificially count as if you have max skills + implant, thus giving them 75.3% and 78.1%.

Outposts will still be on top of those, with a base rate of 60% when fulling upgraded. As such, with max skills and the implant you'll get a maximum reprocessing rate of 86.8% there.

Is that less confusing now?

*sighs* just had to read through 3 pages of mario vs goons drivel.... Can you guys create your own thread, GD would be more appropriate.

So, i take the 10-15 min to write a reply and when i press post it only posts the Quote.

Less confusing but still confusing. EVE industry is something I've wanted to try for a while now but frankly so many of these processes are either broken or nonsensical. Hardly anything is properly explained or documented, and in the end I just walked away. I am but a humble combat pilot, understanding traversal is as complicated as I get.


...If these changes are any indication though that should soon change. I remain hopeful.

because improving outdated mechanics cannot ever make the game as a whole better...?

Or better yet, why not make a mechanic that for every new ship you train, on its maiden voyage it blows up for no reason?

You make an excellent point here. Eve is billed as a sandbox game where they encourage players to find varied and interesting ways to play the game Yet it seems that niche game-play, which is the varied and interesting part, keeps getting nerfed and one specific type of game play keeps getting buffed.

How much longer can CCP get away with calling Eve a sandbox when they keep trying to force people into specific types of game play?

CCP a good sandbox game is one where you look at what players are doing and give them to tools to not only do what they do more interestingly but branch out and do more interesting and divergent stuff. Somehow you keep thinking that you can take 80% of the players and force them into a current game play style that currently only a small percentage seek out.