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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5440
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:55:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Alp Khan wrote: "Sleep deprivation. Check. Creating a state of learned helplessness. Check. Subjecting the victim to interrogation for long periods. Check. Isolating or surrounding the victim psychologically. Check. Inflicting pressure through greed or blackmail. Check. Exploitation of phobias, such as -- say -- making a man with an admitted speech impediment perform long periods of public speaking. Check."
Who deprived that bigot of sleep? Who allowed the interrogation to take place? Which racist isolated himself? Which homophobe was greedy? How is ignoring a small speech hickup anything more than common courtesy? Why are you trying so hard? D.
I wonder that myself. As I see it, an individual is 1st and formost responsible for himself. That doesn't mean that what other people do isn't wrong, it means that the only thing you CAN do is protect yourself as best you can.
The above principle was tought to me as a small child and reinforced well into adulthood. I simply don't know how people are rasing kids these days that people don't seem to understand this. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5431
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:55:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Xuixien wrote:In EVE? Absolutely. This wasn't in EVE. Xuixien wrote:I'm actually sad that no tormenting actually took place, though. Except it did. I agree, he has a horrible singing voice. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
56
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:55:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tarojan wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Hi, my name is Joe. I have a reputation for kicking small children in the face. A week ago this boy of age 7 stood in front of me in the grocery store line so I kicked him in the face. Kid should have known better than to stand in front of me, after all I do have a reputation. To punish his stupidity I kicked him in the face and stomach several more times. real life...game....real life...game.... You having troubles telling the difference between the two bud? You seem to be having trouble telling where they separate. If you torment someone for hours on a voice chat to the point where you're systematically attacking things like speech impediments, then it certainly has gone too far and crossed into the point of torment. At which point you click on an X (or pull a plug out of the wall) and it's over. This is one of the problems with modern society: no one expects grown folks to take care of themselves anymore.
I hate how people equate this to cyber bullying. You know whats so bad about being bullied? you can't make it stop. They come after you day after day. Its the fear more then anything else, the sick anticipation of more pain and humilation that you just cant prevent being inflicted upon you. The shame you feel and self loathing can become crippling too.
Thats not what happened here. Its not even close to what happened here. Im surprised so many dont understand that.
Erotica 1: "I would create a massive pyramid scheme in Eve to show you what it is, but I'm an honest business person, so you'll just have to find education elsewhere. Start with the wiki link that was linked by a person who didn't even read what he linked." Theres a reason I play eve XD |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
980
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:56:00 -
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Warmonger Murderalt wrote:Xuixien wrote:Warmonger Murderalt wrote:
That's the problem with this community though, it's so isolated that it seems to have lost touch with what's acceptable and what is not. It has stewed in its own toxic pool for so long that people seem to have accept such behavior as the norm.
Acceptable in what setting? I can suicide gank/pod you all day, but IRL if I destroyed property or hurt someone I'd be in jail pretty fast. So really your statement... is nonsense without some context behind it. The fact is: If it's not against the EULA/TOS or any laws... it's acceptable in EVE. Sorry if you don't find it personally acceptable - but that's your failure, not EVE or EVE's community. Let me make things simple on this point: You can suicide gank/pod me all day if you like as that is an in game mechanic, and in real life if you hurt someone you'd be in jail, because one is a supported in game mechanic that has benefits and consequences and the other is in real life exactly as you said. While there are many things to be argued about the behavior involved, as stated, when he took it out of the game and into real life an obvious line was crossed where now we find the community in this mess. And there are many things that are not allowed in EVE that are neither illegal in most countries nor specifically stated in the EULA/TOS as being forbidden but are covered by more general terms. But that's besides my point, which is that the behavior is being dragged into the public eye against the wishes of those who believe this is acceptable and that should it be dragged into the public eye it will hurt the image of EVE and CCP will be forced to react and everyone involved will end up much worse off than they would have had they responded correctly in the beginning.
He didn't take it "to real life". It was on TeamSpeak. Is TeamSpeak "real life"? Is the Internet "real life"? He used an out of game communication tool, but everything was still within the context of EVE Online.
Had it been on EVE Voice vs TeamSpeak your argument would be invalid. Your argument is based on something that's just incidental. This is why you're argument is weak and falls apart.
If anything, Ripard Teg should be punished for creating so much bad publicity for CCP out of an event that goes on in the game... pretty much on a weekly basis that has never drawn so much inter-media attention. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:56:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Whose fault is it that he gave all his stuff away?
The greedy racists fault thats who. Sohkar will goto Jail over this. His Children will talk to him through a glass wall through a telephone. Mrs. Sohkar will be crying in the backgroud. At the end of the day Mr. Sohkar could have done things differently. Don't make death threat's kids. It breaks the law. |
Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
271
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:56:00 -
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Oh my, This sure is a threadnaught, Maybe when i come back it will have evolved into a Thritan... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9275
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:57:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:He knew he had been scammed the moment he entered the channel whatever happens from that moment on is is own falsified vet self fault. Why does the situation being his fault make the actions of Erotica 1 and his cohorts acceptable? Could have have avoided the scam? Of course he could. Could he have left the room? Of course he could, but he'd never get his assets back. Did he think he could get his assets back if he endured the bonus round? Of course he did. But that's not the purpose of the bonus round. The only purpose is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
980
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:58:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Whose fault is it that he gave all his stuff away?
Obviously he was coerced under the duress of being on TS3!!!!! AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2979
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:58:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:The only purpose is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it. Completely false. It's about ISK only. Oh god. |
Faenir Antollare
University of Caille Gallente Federation
218
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:59:00 -
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You Guy's n Gal's mostly all be a workin on da railroad, ever the yonder.. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9275
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:59:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:The only purpose is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it. Completely false. It's about ISK only. There's no ISK benefit to them continuing with the mark after they've already taken everything he had. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5431
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:He wasn't "free to leave" at any time. His leaving would mean instant forfeiture of all of the assets he'd previously handed over. Of course at that point he was never getting them back, but him not realizing that doesn't suddenly justify what was done. That in no way implies that he wasn't free to leave at any time if he decided things had gone too far.
He's an adult, quit assuming you need to do his thinking for him. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5440
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:He wasn't "free to leave" at any time. His leaving would mean instant forfeiture of all of the assets he'd previously handed over. Of course at that point he was never getting them back, but him not realizing that doesn't suddenly justify what was done. Imaginary video game assets. If he can't understand that those things meant nothing, then how is that someone else's problem? If they mean nothing to you then you're free to hand all of yours over to me.I'm sure if you got duped into giving all of your assets away you'd shrug it off instead of trying to find any way possible of getting them back.
You know thats a very bad fallacy right? My items mean something to me...UP TO A POINT. A healthy person has a dividing line between virtual and real.
So when thos XXPIZZA guys killed my ratting mach in Fountain when I was in TEST, it hurt...like a paper cut. It wasn't like my car was repossesed lol.
I've lost billions of isk being dumb before, like my JF that I lost in jita autopiloting while drunk. But at no point did I lose my mind over things that, at the end of the day, don't really mean anything. I felt bad last week and a dude I was playing chess with knocked my rook off.
I don't know why you are being willfully obtuse James. You nkow better. |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
980
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: Did he think he could get his assets back if he endured the bonus round? Of course he did.
He could have. People do win the bonus round.
The "no other purpose but to humiliate" - don't really see how much weight this has. People regularly gank in EVE just for the sake of tears. It's an acceptable thing, as is making someone sing for a ransom.
Sorry, again, no weight.
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
980
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Riot Girl wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:The only purpose is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it. Completely false. It's about ISK only. There's no ISK benefit to them continuing with the mark after they've already taken everything he had.
There's an ISK benefit to the client if they win the bonus round.
"For profit" does not always mean for your profit. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern Nerfed Alliance Go Away
102
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:01:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:if Erotica 1 gets banned ****. this. game.
You're gonna tell me that an idiot who willfully stays that long singing songs and humiliating himself deserves any kind of sympathy, so now we're gonna protect idiots? oh how sad..
and holy **** seriously 180 pages??????
The issue isn't protecting idiots (enough of them buy into scams on the market on a daily basis to fund a small African nation off of RMT). The issue is harassment of an individual. Scams are not the issue, it's people who drag stuff like this out in order to get kicks to it, which in most cases if they did this in real life, many would agree that they are "not the best person around".
Scams are a business. Harassment and public shaming of a victim via recordings of him and such should be where we draw the line in this game, if for the simple fact it makes the rest of the playerbase look terrible and nothing else. How Erotica 1 can be defended for this I fail to see as it is a detestable action to publicly name, shame, and have your recordings of people being tormented put online for others to laugh at and take pleasure in. |
David Kir
Jellyneers ACE Li3 Federation
430
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:01:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:The only purpose is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it. Completely false. It's about ISK only.
It may be, but it involves provoking and humiliating another player, recording all of it and making it public. Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die. |
Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
593
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:01:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:The only purpose of the bonus room is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it.
Wrong, wrong and WRONG.
Asking someone to do silly things <> humiliating someone.
Being a racist bigot and having your wife fight your online spacebattles for you is humiliating yourself. BIG difference.
D.
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Abla Tive
Serpent.Sisters.of.Eve
35
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:01:00 -
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EVE terms of service... 1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player..
Sure seems like abuse to me. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2979
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:02:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Riot Girl wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:The only purpose is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it. Completely false. It's about ISK only. There's no ISK benefit to them continuing with the mark after they've already taken everything he had. Of course there is. The bonus round has rules and if they're not followed, it loses credibility and income.
Oh god. |
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Druthlen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:02:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Warmonger Murderalt wrote:Xuixien wrote:Warmonger Murderalt wrote:
That's the problem with this community though, it's so isolated that it seems to have lost touch with what's acceptable and what is not. It has stewed in its own toxic pool for so long that people seem to have accept such behavior as the norm.
Acceptable in what setting? I can suicide gank/pod you all day, but IRL if I destroyed property or hurt someone I'd be in jail pretty fast. So really your statement... is nonsense without some context behind it. The fact is: If it's not against the EULA/TOS or any laws... it's acceptable in EVE. Sorry if you don't find it personally acceptable - but that's your failure, not EVE or EVE's community. Let me make things simple on this point: You can suicide gank/pod me all day if you like as that is an in game mechanic, and in real life if you hurt someone you'd be in jail, because one is a supported in game mechanic that has benefits and consequences and the other is in real life exactly as you said. While there are many things to be argued about the behavior involved, as stated, when he took it out of the game and into real life an obvious line was crossed where now we find the community in this mess. And there are many things that are not allowed in EVE that are neither illegal in most countries nor specifically stated in the EULA/TOS as being forbidden but are covered by more general terms. But that's besides my point, which is that the behavior is being dragged into the public eye against the wishes of those who believe this is acceptable and that should it be dragged into the public eye it will hurt the image of EVE and CCP will be forced to react and everyone involved will end up much worse off than they would have had they responded correctly in the beginning. He didn't take it "to real life". It was on TeamSpeak. Is TeamSpeak "real life"? Is the Internet "real life"? He used an out of game communication tool, but everything was still within the context of EVE Online. Had it been on EVE Voice vs TeamSpeak your argument would be invalid. Your argument is based on something that's just incidental. This is why you're argument is weak and falls apart. If anything, Ripard Teg should be punished for creating so much bad publicity for CCP out of an event that goes on in the game... pretty much on a weekly basis that has never drawn so much inter-media attention.
How ignorant this person is. People have killed themselves over facebook. Others have even been executed. |
Warmonger Murderalt
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:02:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Well, though I did not expect CCP to make any kind of decision or move in the 24 hours since this scandal has exploded, I would have expected them to at least acknowledge it, and I am not talking about falcon's platitudes of "we are monitoring the situation" he has posted in several threads he has shut down. There is nothing on tweetfleet from CCP even acknowledging there is an issue.
Let's see what tomorrow brings, but it is starting to appear that CCP is just going to hunker down and try to ride out the storm. Not that I am surprised if they choose that direction. CCP has made it clear through many many of their actions what they truly think of the largest portion of their subscription base.
The next couple days will be the proof if CCP is serious about increasing their subscription base with decent human beings by cleaning up the toxic cesspool that Eve has become, or if the status quo is what they want. I disagree about the timing. I wouldn't expect an official statement from CCP until Monday or Tuesday, IMO. CCP doesn't seem to rush when considering these PR issues, and from what I've seen (remembered) they like to have a solid, well reasoned foundation to base their decision on.
Waiting it out is CCP's standard response and Monday or Tuesday is probably a conservative estimate. By then we'll most likely get a "we're thinking about things and will eventually decide something, maybe" type thread where they'll be probing to see if that's enough to get things to die down and go away. This thread would need to remain on the front page for about a week before CCP is likely to take an action of any substantial kind.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9275
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:03:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Riot Girl wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:The only purpose is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it. Completely false. It's about ISK only. There's no ISK benefit to them continuing with the mark after they've already taken everything he had. Of course there is. The bonus round has rules and if they're not followed, it loses credibility and income. There was never credibility. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5431
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:03:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Navi Annages wrote:Submitting to humiliation willingly is subject to the adult in question. How "willing" is it when you're doing it to get your stuff back? Completely.
For example, most people in this thread would not do it because, frankly, its not that big a deal.
Of course, few would have been stupid enough to get themselves in that position in the first place even accidentally... this individual worked hard to put himself in that position. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
980
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:03:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Anomaly One wrote:if Erotica 1 gets banned ****. this. game.
You're gonna tell me that an idiot who willfully stays that long singing songs and humiliating himself deserves any kind of sympathy, so now we're gonna protect idiots? oh how sad..
and holy **** seriously 180 pages?????? The issue isn't protecting idiots (enough of them buy into scams on the market on a daily basis to fund a small African nation off of RMT). The issue is harassment of an individual. Scams are not the issue, it's people who drag stuff like this out in order to get kicks to it, which in most cases if they did this in real life, many would agree that they are "not the best person around". Scams are a business. Harassment and public shaming of a victim via recordings of him and such should be where we draw the line in this game, if for the simple fact it makes the rest of the playerbase look terrible and nothing else. How Erotica 1 can be defended for this I fail to see as it is a detestable action to publicly name, shame, and have your recordings of people being tormented put online for others to laugh at and take pleasure in.
If I invite you onto my TS3
And I make fun of you
It is not harassment if you choose to stay and participate
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
273
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:03:00 -
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Guys, its very simple.
People like E1 thrive on abuse and emotional **** of vulnerable victims.
They operate much like a pedophile ring - carefully select their victims in neutral settings, make sure the person is whom they are looking for, before luring them with well-crafted lines to an environment with no monitoring, whereupon abuse and emotional **** takes place.
These people are arguably on the same level as real-life rapists, pedophiles, pimps and drug-dealers.
They have no place in EVE Online, a game played by children as well as adults.
These people have to go.
Its that simple. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2979
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:04:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Riot Girl wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:The only purpose is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it. Completely false. It's about ISK only. It may be, but it involves provoking and humiliating another player, recording all of it and making it public. Yeah, it's basically a game show of sorts.
Oh god. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9275
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:04:00 -
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Danalee wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:The only purpose of the bonus room is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it. Wrong, wrong and WRONG. Asking someone to do silly things <> humiliating someone. Being a racist bigot and having your wife fight your online spacebattles for you is humiliating yourself. BIG difference. D. Thanks for reminding me how glad I am to be out of your shithole of an alliance. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
593
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:04:00 -
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Abla Tive wrote:EVE terms of service... 1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player..
Sure seems like abuse to me.
Indeed, the racial slurs, death threats and homophobic remarks were all abusive. Sadly they were made on teamspeak so... CCP can't do anything about it
D.
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
980
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:04:00 -
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Abla Tive wrote:EVE terms of service... 1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player..
Sure seems like abuse to me.
Funny how the only one who did any of that is the alleged "victim", Sohkar. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
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