...by banning someone who didn't violate an existing rule (Erotica 1, and then did nothing to a player that made death threats (Sokar).

For the record: I am not a griefer, suicide ganker, or scammer on this character or via any alts. I will defend all forms of game play though because Eve is supposed to be a sandbox. The duality of that box of sand is spelled out in my signature...

Well that is a subjective way to view it, and a bit limited as well. It was just cause and effect, the cause being a players abuse of another in a way which broke every rule of decency and gameplay, the effect which you elude to happened because of that. Don't put the cart before the horse.

Maybe CCP just got sick of being the guy who crosses the road when they see a dog getting beaten with a stick.
Morality transcends legal responsibility, rights and the provisions of the EULA. It has been interesting to see the almost universal amorality of the comments against CCP's statement.

So let me get this straight, a very famous EvE Online blogger that's also a member of the CSM used his influence and power to start a witch-hunt on another player, for something that happened outside of the game that he condemns. In is moral high ground blog he harassed and persecuted the player, until a shitstorm thread started on the EvE Online forums, where he continued the witchcraft trial. The thread was closed and the player got banned.

This makes total sense to me...

...by banning someone who didn't violate an existing rule (Erotica 1), and then did nothing to a player that made death threats (Sokar).

I prefer to think of it as he made the player base aware of what a raging psychopath was up to in the game we all play.

But sure, if you prefer the term witch hunt, then whatever.

Mr Epeen

I condone griefers and gankers and any other way people find to blow up spaceships and take ISK, its all part of Eve. But when it goes beyond that, which in this case it clearly did, we need to stand together and say 'not here, not in the game we love' and put an end to it. I find Sohkars reaction a bit puzzling but not shocking, alot of people snap under such strain. But that is aside the point, Eve should remain a game in new eden, not one that spills onto other media forms and turns to harassment. That is just my view, I don't want to argue it, I just wanted to express it.

(by griefers I mean within the CCP ruleset of gameplay, not by directed harassment).

But it wasn't harassment -Sokar volunteered to play Erotica 1's sick game.

Could we not all "stand up" by going after people like Erotica 1 in game? Could we not station people in trade hubs and warn newbies about the scams? Why does CCP need to ban someone who, IMHO, did not violate any existing rule? Why did CCP not ban someone who clearly did violate an existing rule? Thing that make you go hmmm.

Again. Listen to the audio record, read shitstorm threadnaught, think, think again, puzzle together a very individual point of view before going with the narrow minded Ero defender thought-terminating clich+¬. Then, try to argue looking on both sides of the medal. Go!

Could we not all "stand up" by going after people like Erotica 1 in game? Could we not station people in trade hubs and warn newbies about the scams? Why does CCP need to ban someone who, IMHO, did not violate any existing rule? Why did CCP not ban someone who clearly did violate an existing rule? Thing that make you go hmmm.

But it wasn't harassment -Sokar volunteered to play Erotica 1's sick game.

Could we not all "stand up" by going after people like Erotica 1 in game? Could we not station people in trade hubs and warn newbies about the scams? Why does CCP need to ban someone who, IMHO, did not violate any existing rule? Why did CCP not ban someone who clearly did violate an existing rule? Thing that make you go hmmm.

Why? Here!

That makes it perfectly clear. However, I can't use your common sense for you.

But it wasn't harassment -Sokar volunteered to play Erotica 1's sick game.

Could we not all "stand up" by going after people like Erotica 1 in game? Could we not station people in trade hubs and warn newbies about the scams? Why does CCP need to ban someone who, IMHO, did not violate any existing rule? Why did CCP not ban someone who clearly did violate an existing rule? Thing that make you go hmmm.

Well honestly the only thing making me go 'hmmm' is why I am still posting on a dead topic. CCP made the proper choice, the sun is shining and I have no desire to debate anything with you. I wish you well.

Well - the nuggest here is "Why does CCP need to ban someone who, IMHO, did not violate any existing rule?". Basically it's what the rules say and how CCP interpret them that matters - your opinion of them is irrelevant.

The problem is that all fine until it isn't. You'll use your common sense and you'll be playing along all fine, then one day you'll encounter the wrong person, then without even getting the chance to find out why, you're gone. It seems to me more like the rule is "don't **** people off too much, based on the level of tolerance the random person on the other end of the game has (who you don't know), and the tolerance of the GM that receives the ticket (who you also don't know)".

So to really use common sense and avoid getting banned entirely, you realistically have to stop all songs for ransoms and the like, since there's no way to tell if you are going to get banned for it. So why don't they just say that. Just rule it out entirely and be done with it.

Because - customers who play eve are more important than meta-gaming scammers who never undock and who only work hard at making people quit and harming CCPs reputation?

Ero1 got all the stuff from that dude BEFORE the game started, are there any proofs online for that bonus room actually yielding winners? actual APIs showing facts and numbers and not random alts posting replies?
We don't have those, as far as I know.
so we take classic eve scammer approach and we say that the scam was concluded as soon that the victim gave all of his stuff to Ero1 and then we ask why to run this bonus room for over 2 hours when no further gain can be made in in-game assets? for Lol'z and Giggles for the scammer.

what's the point then?

...and that's all fine and good until they ban you for something not clearly defined... :)

I'm not defending the way that Erotica 1was playing the game, but I am questioning CCP's reaction to it. Since Erotica1 was banned for breaking a fuzzy rule the Sokar should be banned for breaking one that was clearly defined (making a death threat).

Again more moral high ground BS arguments, this events all took place outside of the game. Let's also ban players from EvE Online that get drunk and then beat their wifes. Or ban players that use iphones, i hate iphone and everyone that uses them should be banned.

I prefer to think of it as he made the player base aware of what a raging psychopath was up to in the game we all play.

But sure, if you prefer the term witch hunt, then whatever.

Mr Epeen

Ero1 got all the stuff from that dude BEFORE the game started, are there any proofs online for that bonus room actually yielding winners? actual APIs showing facts and numbers and not random alts posting replies?
We don't have those, as far as I know.
so we take classic eve scammer approach and we say that the scam was concluded as soon that the victim gave all of his stuff to Ero1 and then we ask why to run this bonus room for over 2 hours when no further gain can be made in in-game assets? for Lol'z and Giggles for the scammer.

what's the point then?

Seriously tho, how about some arguments that make sense?

I'm not defending the way that Erotica 1was playing the game, but I am questioning CCP's reaction to it. Since Erotica1 was banned for breaking a fuzzy rule

The player base was well aware of this situation before hand, there werere threads about it before.

I'm not defending the way that Erotica 1was playing the game, but I am questioning CCP's reaction to it. Since Erotica1 was banned for breaking a fuzzy rule then Sokar should be banned for breaking one that was clearly defined (making a death threat).

If that's what you really believe (rather than it being a ridiculous posture) then you've basically got a few options:
1. Continue to rant about it here, knowing that it won't change anything and that CCP couldn't care less about said rant.
2. Speak to CCP about it (via petitioning, twitter or whatever other channel you prefer)
3. Speak to your CSM representative about it.
4. Stand for CSM with the intent of making it your plat form
5. Decide that EVE is no longer for you and go find a game more to your liking.
6. Avoid bahviour you think will get you banned.
7. Continue to play as before and take what you percieve to be risks of getting banned.

Take your pick :)