What do you need to be elaborated? The lack of artificial boundaries is what makes EVE a sandbox game, its USP. And this is a clearest example of such artificial boundaries. Deployment of such a feature on TQ is going to kill a lot of pvp-related things. You are going to struggle finding a fight anywhere other than these dojos. Why? If I want to find a fight now - I need to roam around. I need to know where to find targets. I need to know how to get a fight - to catch a prey or to make myself look like a prey. There is a risk to end up in a camp, to be overwhelmed, to be jammed by a sudden Falcon - and this is what makes EVE pvp awesome. But a lot of people would prefer dojos to the sandbox pvp, because it's much easier.

But doesn't that in itself suggest that, just maybe, there's an interest in this type of game play?

If you don't like it you will not have to participate.

Confirming both aspects of this post.

There no doubt is. there are plenty of players playing various call of duty titles, titanfall, battlefield, and others. There is an incredible demand for matchmade pvp games. so much in fact that theres a new one multiple times a year and rarely retains playable value after a year or two. I'd wager if CCP could compete in this rapid gratification/matchmade market DUST would actually be popular.

Why should those looking for a quick opportunity to get a decent fight get the satisfaction of one? Over those that could spend a bit of time to find one? Why should we reward those looking for less effort? Eve has always rewarded those putting in the extra work to get an edge.

Honestly this isn't just about the prototype feature, its about the mindset of catering to the casual players over hardcore players. This is where it gets personal and people get emotional and angry. The more dedicated have shown it by their years of subscriptions. And like incarna, this has the potential to attract more casual players and the expense of content for the others.

18k on TQ and 20k on arenas online is direct reduction of player related content in the live server.

Ok, let me get it straight, "if you don't like something the represent a sea change in the game mechanics of EVE online, you don't have to participate".[...]

Non-consensual pvp (like the single shard nature of the game and the 'death penalty' that means something) is at the heart of EVE. For people like me (PVE players who know we're still in a pvp based game) being able to use our smarts to do what we enjoy while manually PREVENTING unwanted disruption is as much fun as the actual pve content.
I think real PVPr's will say the same, and introducing things like this (as presented) goes counter to intelligent development and evolution of this particular unique game. On the whole it doesn't affect me one bit, but does something have to affect someone personally to be wrong? The obvious answer is no. Anything that smacks of instancing and instant gratification are wrong for this game.
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No one is trying to poo poo on anyone's fun. We're just asking for smart development. OF COURSE if you make instant gratification stuff people will flock to it. If you need to do that, why not just shut down EVE and make some LoL/Tanks style game and rake in the cash?

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Bolded the truth here..

No one is trying to poo poo on anyone's fun. We're just asking for smart development. OF COURSE if you make instant gratification stuff people will flock to it. If you need to do that, why not just shut down EVE and make some LoL/Tanks style game and rake in the cash?

So remove the dead space and automoving part, that should remove the instancing part, no?
Whats left is a potential tool to organize a tournament, where it's the player responsibility to stand for a non disrupted fight.
Maybe even add some crimewatch foo so that everyone or just some players get suspect when entering the arena.

That would bring the AT closer to TQ, while people still can disrupt the sh*t out of it if they dare to.

PS: What does " a sea change" mean?

EVE's "winning formula" has turned it into a game where nullsec is stagnant, people can and do roam 40j without finding anything (either because they're not allowed to shoot the half of EVE that's blue to them or because all they find are risk-averse pilots who dock/pos up) and where people log out and play other games as a way to pass the time.

Is that really okay? Are you really saying "EVE should be this game that people log out of to go play something else"?

Let's not forget how so-called 1v1 virtually requires you to have an offgrid boosting alt (because the other guy does) and how there's just so much PvP in highsec that isn't docking games or ganks.

So yeah. Dojos will totally kill EVE. Because EVE is in the best state it's ever been in. Is the sarcasm thick enough yet?

Oh and Jenn? You don't even PvP. At all. So get out of this thread. You have no place here.

One last thing: None of you crying change-averse bittervets seem to realize that this isn't on TQ. It hasn't been announced for TQ. It hasn't even been put on SiSi. It's on Duality and nobody has said the first thing about it going to any other server. So HTFU and STFU or GTFO. YOU are the cancer that is killing EVE.

Nice logical fallacy, there is a difference between adding more options to eve, especially when it's relevant to an under-designed part of the gameplay (see AT/NEO tournaments, solo pvp community) and making a lol game.

"if you don't agree with me eve is lol"

Sea Change

I'm not a fan of the readily available arena pvp thing but I could live with it. But yea, to me the main problem is the deadspace thing, NOTHING in space except a noob in a noob system should be "un-screw-with-able" and i say this as someone not inclined to 'screw with' anyone. What EVE is matters.

They get rid of the unscannable pocket in space thing and (while i don't like the idea of arenas ,EVE's Arena is called EVE Online) I'm more or less cool with it. Even if that pocket was 'damn near' impossible to scan down with the best skills and gear, that would be in keeping with the 12 year tradition of this game.

Look at the eve numbers after big battles : http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility now look what happens months after that..
We are literally back to 2008 tier of average people online, CCP listened to people like you for years I hope they are tired of listening to people with metagame agendas.

bye bye free pvp eve.
bye bye pirates,
bye bye solo pvp,
bye nullsecs,
bye bye pvp,
bye bye eve.

go to cosmic WOW arenas

HATE YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


and....can I destroy this structure?

I don't understand this. On TQ where would the ships and modules come from? Would they have to be bought and then stocked into the whatsit? Surely they wouldn't be spawned. Do the participants then pay for them?

Says the champion in this topic of logical fallacies.

I think you don't understand that the point of having dojos is to provide fair and controlled fights, fair and controlled fights existed in eve for a long time (the first AT was in 2005) just because CCP only used funny stories about betrayal, awox, theft and big 10% tidi battles to market eve till now doesn't mean it's not a valid part of the gameplay.

I mean, CCP is working hard to provide a good and professional AT stream, you don't like it fine it's a sandbox you can go do something else.

Look at the eve numbers after big battles : http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility now look what happens months after that..
We are literally back to 2008 tier of average people online, CCP listened to people like you for years I hope they are tired of listening to people with metagame agendas.

Let's not forget how so-called 1v1 virtually requires you to have an offgrid boosting alt (because the other guy does)

Nice logical fallacy, there is a difference between adding more options to eve, especially when it's relevant to an under-designed part of the gameplay (see AT/NEO tournaments, solo pvp community) and making a lol game.

"if you don't agree with me eve is lol"

Depending on how you have to insert ships into the unit and how big of the Deadspace pocket is, this can be exploited so bad it's not even funny. Safespots for Supercaps that can't be probed down here we come.

But plz implement it, it will make using low skilled alts for FW plexing much easier with lesser people hunting for you and give people a new way to transfer across the galaxy without using Jump Clones.

There should never be anything close to an enforced fair fight in EVE outside of events like the AT and NEO. That belongs in other games like LoL or tanks.

This is just your opinion, people like the AT/NEO and solo pvp, CCP is providing content for this part of the population and they obviously want to promote competitive eve gameplay.

It always existed, but for years we had no real platform to train and grow our community, CCP is fixing this.

This isn't relevant to you fine, but your way to play eve isn't the only way.

so they can spend time building something fun for people that stays within EVE's established lines.

Funny, using the word logical fallacy. You've established a predictable pattern of oversimplifying and/or exaggerating an argument of the opposition, and then comparing it to the sentiment of "agree with me or your dumb" or some variation to similar effect. Funnier still, in almost every post you wrote the words "logical fallacy" you engage in one yourself.

Be that as it may, AT/NEO style structured combat isn't part of the gameplay, it never has been.

And you do not speak for the solo community. As someone who has enjoyed the fruits of solo pvp for a few years I can say from experience you never have to roam 1-4 hours for a fight. Solo pvp has been quite alive.

Edit: By solo, i mean single account pvp

You're like a simplicity bot. Why do you think anyone cares about how you play? Who exactly do you think you are that anyone would care.

You do have a platform, it's called EVE, it's the same platform the rest of us have. What stops "your community" from going to any of the thousands of empty systems and soloing each other to your hearts content? No one needs to alter EVE's flying in space concept to make a tournament.

Hopefully the fine people at CCP (and our CSM reps) will wise up and let this prototype (as it's currently imagined) hit the scrap heap (like most prototypes do) so they can spend time building something fun for people that stays within EVE's established lines.

Dojos 'll kill this sandpit like game. You wouldn't need to undock. Wow arenas, are u seriously?

Oh I'm sorry, Jenn. I didn't realize you were an expert on what constitutes "fun" for everyone, nor was I aware that you were there when Hilmar & Friends created the concept of EVE and what it is or isn't based on.