That changes the situation with t2 ships how?

So nerf high sec?

A lot of people really need to ask, who will these changes hurt the most? I'll give you a hint: It's not groups like CFC, PL or N3, who have the manpower & resources to work our way completely around this.

t2 ships are already ridiculously astronomical and the movement volumes in highsec are very low

It's silly to think we should balance projection around a niche issue like that that can be addressed on it's own terms.

OH BURN



Let me tell you about all my R64s and renters I'm making passive bank on in highsec.

Why would the changes "hurt" anyone? That's not their intent or purpose.

It will change the way people move capitals around.

You know some words and phrases from CCP Greyscales devblog really eat at me:

"...we would anticipate..."

"This seems likely to ..."

"... ,we see the potential for..."

"... it seems plausible that..."

"... , but we don't want to make any firm predictions in this area."


Is it just me, or does this type of language really bother anyone else regarding such an important change?

Remember that most of those players where playing different games while waiting for pings.

This is fairly normal when you reach a certain state in EVE. If CCP promote a style of game play which consumes a vast amount of time to do anything yet you're not actually required to do very much during that time, it's hardly a surprise.

Some of these changes are good, some are completely daft and some further promote this sort of timer based game play which means players go AFK while they wait for an alarm clock. It's not an elegant solution.

Moons supply less isk than an ice miner per month.

Renters make us a lot of isk but we make massive amounts in high sec.

This is fairly normal when you reach a certain state in EVE. If CCP promote a style of game play which consumes a vast amount of time to do anything yet you're not actually required to do very much during that time, it's hardly a surprise.

Some of these changes are good, some are completely daft and some further promote this sort of timer based game play which means players go AFK while they wait for an alarm clock. It's not an elegant solution.

This is fairly normal when you reach a certain state in EVE. If CCP promote a style of game play which consumes a vast amount of time to do anything yet you're not actually required to do very much during that time, it's hardly a surprise.

Some of these changes are good, some are completely daft and some further promote this sort of timer based game play which means players go AFK while they wait for an alarm clock. It's not an elegant solution.

loool, i love this one

keep telling us how moons supply less isk than an ice miner per month.

...a miner that mines non-stop, 24/7 with absolutely miniscule interaction by a player required to continue doing so
and then multiply that by...well, i'm sure you can tell us how many of these completely useless moons you have

That's why no one even pays attention to those towers.

The reason you make isk in high sec isn't because there isn't isk to make in null.
Or because highsec is patently better.

It's because the isk your alliance makes is appropriated and not directed into your member's wallets.

Your talking points are as tired as they are slanted.

I don't play this game for balance, I play it for fun. Making travel tedious and boring is not fun. CCP will lose so many subscriptions if they push these changes through.

Counter proposal for the jump delay timer.

Link below is a google excel doc. of cumulative delay timer that incrementally gets longer with each jump.

http://bit.ly/1rOpzTs

ItGÇÖs a logarithmic scale.

So when you jump you get two timers.

First timer is the jump drive timer; the second timer is jump drive activation delay.

The jump drive timer is a base 30 minutes and every time you make a jump it will record the amount and add +1 to the "Jumps Made Since Timer Began" value. The jump drive timer will reset back to 30 min every time you make a new jump.
The jump drive activation delay is the timer you get once you have jumped. ItGÇÖs the time you have to wait till the next jump can be made.

The equation for this is below.

http://i.imgur.com/EQpv4Cv.png

The principal of what happens here is that your delay timer gets bigger with each jump. The increment between each subsequent timer gets smaller, causing the graph to plateau out into a logarithmic curve. Eventually after so many jumps the delay timer will reach the same value as the jump drive timer, at which point itGÇÖs better with it out entirely and then start the process over.

Initially we found a problem with the function where doing three really short distance jumps would make the times later overall shorter but that has been fixed with the GÇ£Jump Amount Modifier.GÇ¥

So e.g.
Jump 1 > 4.19 LY > delay timer of 6.42min > cumulative time 6.42min
Jump 2 > 4.7 LY > delay timer of 9.72 min > cumulative time 16.14min
Jump 3 > 4.206 LY > delay timer of 11.73 min > cumulative time 27.86min
Jump 5 > 4.564 LY > delay timer of 13.28 min > cumulative time 41.14min
Jump 6 > 1.855 LY > delay timer of 14.15 min > cumulative time 55.29min

Notice the increase in time getting smaller but the time overall still get longer. Bit like the diminishing returns of stacking nerf.

This Post and Equation was worked on by Sieonigh and myself.

Edit: We made this formula under the assumption that Jump Freighters and Rorquals do NOT have the 90% reduction, rather we think Black Ops should have this reduction (which we're implementing).

Edit #2: We've updated the Formula to include a proposed Black Ops Modifier (pretty much gets CCPs Jump Freighter and Rorqual 90% Modifier). You can view this on the Google Docs Spreadsheet listed above or by clicking the below link to the updated formula for Black Ops.
http://i.imgur.com/GdLdM3R.png

Agree with you here. Increasing the time it takes to do something that already takes TIME to do in current mechanics.. is the most .. I don't even have a word for it. Again I speak as an advocate for change.. but CHANGE doesn't have to be to torch the very aspect of null. Capital Ships rule nullsec, simple. Nerfbatting them into gate-jumping super battleships that take weeks to a month to be able to jump any distance.. is downright frustrating.

I'm just more hung up on the fact that CCP will be gutting out the JF and rorquals.. and possibly even giving BLOPS a dead buttcheek... It's not making nullsec more 'fun' it's going to make it miserable.

EVE is already a 'job'. Now it looks like overtime and doubletime are in order to even fuel a tower more than 5LY away. But who am I kidding? EVE isn't about the player, it's about the subscriptions and money right?

Is the balance for Black Ops final?
No. Please give feedback!

You won't be able to cache caps in every far flung region of your sov. Your far out renters are going to get hellcamped and pack out if you can't defend them. At some point it wont even be worth the effort for you to maintain sov there (who would want to rent?), and you will consolidate to your core areas, where you can easily cache caps and form defense fleets. And that will open up all those regions you abandon to new groups who actually want them, not just groups looking for their own personal version of highsec farming under CFC protection. So yes, tying down the caps of small groups is surely worth it if it means that the caps of the big groups are tied down as well, and their vast territory rendered indefensible.

Why would the changes "hurt" anyone? That's not their intent or purpose.

It will change the way people move capitals around.

Go look at the income you get from a tower before saying these things, it will stop you from looking stupid.

Those huge streams of tears prove that the changes are undoubtful the right way. congrats CCP!

The jump freighter nerfs hurt _everyone_ who is trying to get by in nullsec, not just the established powers, and it's the smaller groups who suffer the most.

No, please. After you, I insist.

Enlighten us. Show me the errors of my ways.

Tell us how much one makes in a month and how utterly miniscule that amount is when stacked alongside moons ALL ACROSS THE GODAM GAME

I'm sure it's insignificant.