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Celestia Via
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.07 08:54:36 -
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Vyl Vit wrote: Enamored with our own words, are we?
so many bytes on your post, no actual value.
I have extensively babbled about the negatives of the immunity so all I am trying to do is find positives, so we can all have a better picture, weigh pros/cons and have a better picture of this.
If you think it pointless, feel free to not participate.
There's no place like space
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Celestia Via
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.07 09:08:31 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote: And damit what is wrong with not having perfect safety. Get over it. Get use to it.
Do not misunderstand, this is not about perfect safety. TBH I am totally against perfect safety. This is about my concern that even the minimal safety dscan provided going to waste, leading people away from smallscale wspace ops.
Although I dont agree with you 100% on dscan being completely useless, I trust your experience. I do hope you are right, and that this immunity wont play the detrimental role I foresaw.
EDIT: More experience-based input from people involved in FW and Wormholes is invaluable, please spare 5 minutes and tell us your own take on this people. Thanks.
There's no place like space
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Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
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Posted - 2015.02.07 11:33:39 -
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Continuing from your previous thread.....
Dscan immunity on recons is good..... because ccp said so
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infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.09 06:33:56 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:Celestia Via wrote:Delt0r Garsk wrote: You don't know wormholers. We aren't going anywhere and well stuff not showing on DScan? what else is new? Seriously DScan imune makes the lest difference to wormhole corps, if they are not dirty farmers that is.
I dont know all of them, but i used to be one, for a couple of years. Perhaps you're talking about c4 or above where the fleet needed for PvE also provides a certain level of safety. Agreed on that. For c3 or below though, we are talking solo/duo PvE, very susceptible to dscan-less gankfleets. If for one person to PvE in a c2 for example, another 5 people are needed to guard him, well it defeats the whole point of small-scale operations, which some people are fond of. And really? dscan makes no difference?? I dont know where you base that remark, from personal experience its the opposite, dscan has saved me more times than i can remember, without it my isk balance would be negative tens of billions. Dont get me wrong, I dont wish for all this to happen in order to say "I told you so". I wish I am wrong, but I have a Cassandra-type gift, the ability to accurately foresee disasters. And since I dont see any positive feedback yet, perhaps ill start a new thread about it. Well we are in a C5 now, but we were in a c2-c4. We got dropped all the time even in the c2. By cloaky t3s and bombers. DScan is about as useful as staring at the sun. Right now wtih the warp speed changes, sabers can catch you faster than you can dscan+hit warp in anything that can run even c2s. We have rooks and hugins yet we still find our selves almost 100% using rapiers and falcons mostly because cloaks are better than dscan immunity. It really has changed nothing for us. And damit what is wrong with not having perfect safety. Get over it. Get use to it. We solo in c3s all the time. We mostly make more than we lose. And really of all places that are affected by this. It has least impact in WHs where the only things that popup on dscan are after your tackled, where a bomber probably works better anyway. The rest has local. Just look at the killboards, not much combat recons on there at all.
WE and SOLO dont go well together.......
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
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Posted - 2015.02.09 12:53:37 -
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Our corp is small.. So it may be "our" fits, that I then fly solo fairly often, as in one person from corp is online. Most of us have a few accounts, but even then i still solo with one pilot no links, and last time i also forgot drugs. I mostly pad others killboards in this case. But meh.
Today i used a Hugin for the first time since the change. Its pretty good, but i still prefer a cloak to dscan immunity in the WH. Also the smaller CPU makes some of the fits a little tighter.
Oh and we are a little bit schizo, so i sometimes have arguments with myself.
[edit] of course the C5 is different. Not much you can solo in there.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
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Posted - 2015.02.11 21:41:19 -
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I'm just going to voice my opinion here real quick because I have a problem with the changes to the Pilgrim.
I really liked the Pilgrim before these changes took place. I actually liked the fact that it had to more or less operate within 12 to 14km as I thought this really differentiated it's role from that of the Curse.
On the other hand I am really glad that it got a buff but I am saddened that it received a RANGE bonus.
Now with this new change there is basically no reason at all to go anywhere near your target in a Pilgrim, so it has effectively been turned into a kiter.
Yet it is actually quite slow for a kiter
I would much rather have seen it get a boost to it's performance with normal-range energy neutralizers rather than getting a similar range bonus as the Curse.
A simple buff to it's capacitor or it's tank or even it's speed, or all of the above, would have been much better IMO, to make it excel at the role that it had. Now, as a ship, it operates much differently from the way that it used to based on range.
There will be almost no reason to use a dual-prop Pilgrim any more, and there will be much more reason to shield tank it as well.
This is a mistake IMO.
I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like makin' stuff and doin' things ~~~~~~ 0% Efficiency in Fucks Given ~~~~~~~ nun wow mom unu
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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1094
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Posted - 2015.02.11 22:49:24 -
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leaving the curse as shield tanked is a mistake ..being khanid it doesn't really reflect that at all... even though that was a stated goal in the OP .. weird... a more ashimmu with missiles (TD's instead of webs) approach would make more sense.
Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists.
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone/fighter assist mechanic.
Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please.
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Nienna Leralonde
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.02.18 02:35:11 -
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curse -op as ****,and not being detectable by scanner its even worse. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
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Posted - 2015.02.19 16:57:00 -
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Yea like all everyone ever does is fly curses... oh wait no they don't. So let me guess you lost a ship? That doesn't make it OP. A ship being effective or a good counter to a particular fleet composition does not make it OP. A ship being a good force multiplier does not make it OP.
These are t2 cruisers, they are suppose to be good.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Mike Flynn
Energy Energy Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.21 14:11:43 -
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RTSAvalanche wrote:CCP Rise wrote:
Those goals lead us to the following major changes:
Combat Recons will now be permanently undetectable by directional scanners
Well that's just complete and utter bullsh!t... As if Solo pvp wasn't hard enough, we can not even rely on our D-Scan now?? somthing that we have relied on for the past 10 years.. You are basicaly breaking around some core mechanics here. Faction Warefare has been completely broken since Incarna, now you are telling me that recons with web, neut, damp & ECM bonuses will be able to hide in plain site in FW plexes and there is no conventional way to find them. Even if combats work to find them, we would have to do that for every plex... I smelt somthing bad in the air when the mobile scan inhib came into game, didn't realise things were going to be this bad. POWER CREEP is getting excessive..
Maybe you just need to turn your boosting alt into a probing alt now lol.
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2015.02.22 07:59:06 -
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Dun'Gal wrote:Continuing from your previous thread.....
Dscan immunity on recons is good..... because ccp said so
/thread
Combat recons don't belong in gated FW plexes.
Prove me wrong. They're a cheap gimmick ship and way too effective to receive that kind of environmental advantage.
Faction warfare pilot and solo/small gang PVP advocate
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