this is so hilariously OP. inb4 recon nerf.

ratters now can't even just keep an eye on d-scan and warp out before someone comes in to tackle.... nobody will be able to detect a covert ops cyno at all unless randomly using combat probes... tbh all they needed was a hitpoint and cap buff.

can't wait to sit in a medium plex with an insta-lock arty rapier and blap unsuspecting frigs.

Some good changes and 1 bad imo
Awesome that you looking on recons but removing ship from dscan is way to OP.
Also hugin and rapier should swap weapon bonuses

And arazu should get drone damage bonus please

Good point.

I think it's an amazing idea too, but you have to understand that most corp in WH are small corp and it's another kick in the ass for them (for us). We are not carebear at all but if this **** happens, we will seriously think of leaving WH for good.

I mean cmon... can't you see this is way too OP in WH space? I get it in K-Space but balance must be made in W-Space

Give Combat Recons something to make them stand out as a unique and interesting set of ships

Combat Recons will now be permanently undetectable by directional scanners

Seems to me a stronger tank or significant damage bonuses would have had the desired effect without completely changing the game with recons. I hope you guys thought about all implications this will bring.

Okay some bad typos there sorry. Slot layout on Curse and Huginn were both messed up, fixed that. Added sig radius to Huginn. Fixed typo in Curse damage bonus.

Have you considered the implications this will have for wspace?

I mean it might work for 0.0 where you can see that *something* is there through local, but in wspace, this will be absolutely OP and hilarious. No local, not even DScan anymore, how are you supposed to even get any intel?

The only way to detect such a ship is by having either eyes on all wholes (requires multitude of characters) and thus seeing it enter or by constant combat probing, which can be seen by the enemy.

I fear that this will make this ship far out of line in wspace, where intel is already harder to get than in 0.0.

As a wormholer, I think this is amazing. But I guess WH carebears would hate this.

Terrible Point.

I for one applaud the fact that Intel tools are taking a subsequent nerf. One of the biggest factors that has degraded the content in Null Sec warfare in particular has been the advent and growth of these sorts of instant, perfect intelligence tools.

Dont get me wrong, i'll use them in every fleet I run while I can but taking off my FC hat and putting on a game design/balance one, the fact that intelligence gathering has largely been relegated to clicking d-scan from cloaky eyes just off a hostile POS grid and all of a sudden an FC has perfect assessment of enemy fleet composition is a really bad game mechanic.

Anything that adds uncertainty or requires player skill instead of a 'click here to win' approach to fleet combat is a good step in the right direction.

As a CSM I would have expected you to have considered that.

if by awesome you mean completely devoid of pve and therefore pvp, then party on mate

How is that any different than cov ops ships?

Combat Recons will now be permanently undetectable by directional scanners

WH loot value is based on supply and demand. If everyone leaves then the isk/hr in WH space will skyrocket and bring in new players willing to take risks for amazing rewards, which is what WH space should be about.