Classic eve community dev blog rage.

Still no way you can put these changes in like that.

Groups like reavers will literally take regions in intie gangs while having like 0 risk.

RIP AU TZ / RUS aswell.

So I wonder what its gonna look like when you reinforce the entire const instead of just one system aswell .. gonna be like 50 beacons to claim and groups like the CFC can still just steamroll all beacons at once .. dunno how thats gonna split them apart.

and so on ...

CCP pls fix these changes.

tyvm

Well taking advice from the null posters who did everything within their power to troll up the Hyperion thread for wormhole space, and like them I know less than jack**** about your area of space, I must be uniquely qualified to pontificate about null changes.

Seems like an excellent series of changes.


Is it too early to utter the immortal cry "HTFU"? Too soon?

So if the cfc rolls into the drone region and reinforces stuff.... Really so what. If you had that much to begin with with no way to defend it, then what the hell are you doing there with all that wasted space? Cfc claims it, doesn't defend it, you get it back.

The tug of war continues.

Basically, shrink your empire into something defendable by your core groups. Owning 200 systems, 3+ regions and defending them with jump drive supers, bridging Titans and gangs across the map is over. Fights are now regional, constellation based or even just a few systems. The need for 100 cap steamroll armada is over. Now will they be able to go about and steamroll anyway? Sure.

Will there be a viable point in doing that? That's where I think they got this proposal right. Throwing everybody into 1 system is pointless. Spread the people out, but not so thinly or so far away from home that you yourself cannot defend it. You can't defend renters now. The threats dead. Will people still rent, sure. Will moongoo still matter, yes. You may own the moon but you won't own the home.

I applaud both CCP and the CSM for taking these steps. There is still more to go.

In other words, you are relegated to all the crap work, while the rest of eve enjoys PvP..... No thanks

#1 its ccp........
#2 moon income, thats it
#3 Pretty much
#4 yup

you do aroud 20-30 mil with one aacount runing lvl 4's in hi sec. You do 80+ mil with one account runing anoms in null sec.

What else would you like?

So it would be logical to extend "Prime time" based on number of constellation where SOV is held. Base value remain same for 1 constellation but any additional system in other constellation would add 2 more hours of prime time. As an example: if alliance have systems with SOV over it in 2 constellation prime time will be 6 hours. If Brave have SOV in 14 constellations prime time will 24 hours. This will force alliances to more strategic placement of SOV system but if alliance feels strong enough to defend around the clock let them.

I like the idea mentioned earlier, where unused systems have a wider window of vulnerability.

A heavily utilized system has only a 4 hour window of vulnerability, whereas a completely unused system might have a 12 hour window instead. I think this might be important for cross timezone assaults!

and so begins the subbing of accounts.. month to month screw paying you guys months upfront.. EVER AGAIN.
take your plex and stick it.

These Command Nodes will be visible through the anomaly scanner, sensor overlay and overview, and will be clearly named after the structure that they apply to. Capturing a Command Node follows exactly the same process as reinforcing a structure, with players competing to make progress towards capture by applying Entosis Links to the Command Node structure.

Reading all those pages ...


I would like to State this Again
Sov Link Module Should ba banned on Interceptors and all ships that can use covops cloaks

Funny thing is, all the isk space will still be taken. Cfc can defend their moons with capfleets and any system of worth will keep it's original occupiers.

Just all the 0.0-0.1 **** space that no one gives a **** about will change hands, bankrupting those who invest in it.


The more I look, the more ******** these changes are.

Funny thing is, all the isk space will still be taken. Cfc can defend their moons with capfleets and any system of worth will keep it's original occupiers.

Just all the 0.0-0.1 **** space that no one gives a **** about will change hands, bankrupting those who invest in it.


The more I look, the more ******** these changes are.

A couple of points:

BAD
1) Been touched on a lot but needs to be re-iterated non-stop. Please give null-sec sov owners a better incentive to want null in the first place. The reduction in pos fuel is not even close to enough.
2) Too hard to get level 4/5 industry atm. Where as it is much easier to get level 5 military.
3) If you are not that worried about station services (any POS dweller has become used to that) then how does this motivate people to fight on any other time (beyond transfer one)?
4) clearly CCP wants to merry the benefits of PVE with benefits in PVP but in my opinion there are not enough. Why not give system more optional effects like in wh's with specific upgrade packages - the variety of fleet comps to suit system upgrades could make life very interesting?
5) Not sure how this deals with renting. If a renter now wants to revolt - only the distance from landlord determines that possibility? How will this effect a possible revolt? since he belongs to the alliance he can't. He has too quit first.
6) Giving the sov holder the ability to choose his TZ was meant to give an incentive and home advantage but doesn't it make it impossible as well for the attacker if it is in AUZ time zone for example?

NOT SURE
1) Did you intend to nerf Supers and Dreads? I don't see how they are used in sov change anymore and since they suck 'at pvp that is meant to be spread out'...This is a nail in the coffin for the Superclass. First they can't easily move, and now take away their purpose! Maybe that is the intent.
2) Is this not going to motivate the creation of super alliances? Since only members of the holding alliance can defend sov. Why does Mittens now not just order all his plebs to join the Goons? Is that the intent?

GOOD
1) The multiplier of levels to the sov transfer ease.
2) More can be a part of the process.
3) Removes the grind of structures.
4) Brings constellation back into game.
5) Allows for better planning by Alliance with new UI.
6) Love the freeport idea.
7) Love the fact you have the balls to actually tinker with this.

REQUEST
I would love to know how the CSM voted on this. in a democracy, knowing how people actually performed is more important then how often they smile or blog.

Porky

Correct me if I am wrong but I did not see anything preventing any sov holder from countering an interceptor with another interceptor, depriving them of their ability to switch control.

Or is there some reason why you are not able to counter interceptors?

Devs, make sure you cant fit entosis links to frigates.

Intys, cov ops, bombers, nano dessys.... Thats bit too easy for griefers to exploit.

Let it be on cruiser and above hulls only.

Why dont you like the changes?

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

To recap:

1st phase we made it impossible to project force.

2nd phase we have made it so any scrub corp or band of newbie alts can mess with sov.

it's not about counter on grid, it's about the move very fast across space and you can't tackle them right now, if they are semi travel fit.

Soo you can't tackle the people and they can just jump few systems away and troll there.

or fleet of 20 interceptors troling the whole region, coz they can and it's very easy to run, and imposible to tackle if they don't wona get tackled :<

Thats way. you can't gate camp them, you can't do any thing to them if they are smart.
It's completly OP

it's a chance to zerg-rush a big bad alliance by smaller ones in different parts of space. you don't need a cap-blob to gain sov with this mechanic, so just get a roam going - no one is capable defending 3-5 consts at once.