Feel like a lazy way to get around it, and easy solution and the low skill point requierment is a minus in my eyes. I can't say this enought but null sec is not ment for everyon, people who have spent years in null build up a good amount of SP and ships you can't use in High Sec.

The idea that people can harass alliances to respond to one simple ship activating his Entosis Link on their structures is just to simple.

We already have have a modual that until recently was only used in null the Doomsday find a way to make it usefull in sov warfare instead of this Entosis Link. I'm cool if people have to risk titans to take systems fast, but risk a 100 mill ship is just to simple for null.

You do realize that's not how it works? Oh, wait, look who I'm talking to.

If you are able to camp them in, it does not matter if its 1 or 5 constellation. You dont need, dreads, supers or huge amount of dps to grind the structure. Just 20-50 ceptors to grap 10 points.

AFK / cloaked camps will need to be fixed. Anyone who interrupts industrial / ratting activity is basically declaring war by default, as indexes will drop and capturing the system will be easier.

Two disagreements, one point of agreement.

Firstly, using an Entosis module to threaten a structure with no intention of actually backing up that threat come the timer is not griefing, it's strategic deceptive play. No different to having one of your alliance's spies suggest a new fleet doctrine to the alliance they are spying on when you have a hard counter to that tactic planned. Your goal is to change your opponent's behaviour to benefit you.

Secondly, AFK cloakies in a quiet, underused system shut the system down. AFK cloakies in a busy system merely promote vigilance. I don't flee in terror if I warp into a system and see one war target in local.

Your third point is valid.

Then we must agree to disagree on the cost for making such threats. SBU-trolling was a thing, and this new system is going to make it even cheaper, which I dislike. Deception should not be so cheaply achieved.

On the second point, that's why I said in underpopulated systems. In hubs it promotes standing fleets and quick reaction in the even of a hotdrop, but as we all know hub systems are not the best for PvE, due to most anomalies being not worth the time and effort. This is also compounded by the solo nature of most PvE, which drives people away from hub systems due to overcrowding, and because they can run anoms just as well elsewhere.
I believe an anomaly rework requiring teamwork could go a great way to mitigate these issues, and would also solve problem number three, namely, the low reward of nullsec PvE.

This sounds like the wrong way to think about it. Sov shouldn't be a "I'm this old in the game, I am entitled to this", but "I'm putting in the effort to capture and hold this", which is a radically different line of thought.

[The harassment line might be slightly over the top, but conversely all you have to do to stop the harassment from triggering an actual flipping by a lone interceptor, all you need is one other entosis link running on the station/TCU/etc. Voila, problem solved.

don't think this is the right route to take neither sov nor supers/titans.

It's not about being old it's about attacking a system should mean comidment, risking 100 mill is not comidment. Low SP characters are still usefull in null just look at your own celestis fleet., it's just that the same person who can only fly one cruisers shouldn't have same power as a 50 mill SP character when it comes to flipping systems. Null is or was looked at as the end game, where people would go after familiraze with how the game works.

SO fare there is no CD on this, carriers have a 1 hour CD after every jumpe tank to Jumpe Fatugie while this Link can run next door and start over again, every min he can change system or have alt run the link on the other side of the constelation for 4 hours he can change system to try to capture it, The next 20 hours he can harrass other functions in the system. I don't think many people are intrested in playing Cat and Mouse everyday.

Most supers and titans are in null, they need to be made usefull. Making Doomsday into a kind of Link instead is a more comidtemnt to taking sov.

Some thoughts on this:

AFK / cloaked camps will need to be fixed. Anyone who interrupts industrial / ratting activity is basically declaring war by default, as indexes will drop and capturing the system will be easier.

What ship class can fit this module ?, will the ship be fixed in space or can it move ? can I use interceptor with implants / booster drugs / rigs and do 7000m/s while using this new module?

Region entry systems, high-sec gateways, choke points. Doing ratting / industrial in these systems is near impossible, with the new sov system, you will be defending these systems on hourly / daily bases as indexes will be nill.

Change is good, but this new sov mechanics will need a bit more before it can be bought wholesale.

Ezwal, literally the only CCP person who you know has read the thread in its entirety so far.

AFK cloak rubbish again

There are two of them in my home system and it hasn't stopped us from mining or ratting

Or blops or fights or a million other things

If you can't function with the unknow your life must be full of fear

Actually no, carriers don't have that long a cooldown, they can jump in far less time than that if they MUST, unless they've already accrued jump fatigue prior to the initial jump-in.

So to take sov you need a ship which has been built in sov. Great catch-22 there, and not exclusionary of smaller entities.

I have a feeling that both developers and players mistakenly put too much emphasis on "planting the flag".

Why people come to null sec?
First and foremost, null sec promises greater wealth over empire space. Better rats, better asteroid belts, better moons, better planets even if all of this comes at a price GÇô a risk of getting killed every time you engage in said activities.
PvP is another reason why people come to null sec GÇô some enjoy living in a dangerous space, some enjoy being hunters, some simply like unrestricted PvP.
A struggle between the above groups of peole is what provides a stage for politics and wars. It's what largely powers industry and market. It forms an intricate machinery. Well being of null sec highly depends on flawless operation of said machinery.

On a most basic level, people form alliances in order to capture resources (ex. R64 moons) which in turn produce income allowing to better equip their people, so they could capture even more resources and have a firepower to fight against other alliances who are doing the same. This is something humans have been doing for centuries. Sometimes wars could be sparked by personal conflicts between leaders of various groups, or due to ideological reasons, but more often than not people fight and kill eachother over resources.

Unfortunately proposed sov changes are laregly neglecting the driving force of the conflict. Instead, we're getting battleground-esque game features with a sole purpose of showing who owns the system.

Stars, planets, moons, asteroid belts should be the object of sov warfare, not random arbitrary structures like tcu's, sbu's, ihubs, etc. Power of the alliance should stem from their ability to controll and extract resources, not from having their name displayed in a solar system information window.

CCP could introduce various grandiose deployable structures, such as Dyson sphere which would require an entire alliance to put a serious effort into building one, but once finished would provide a huge boon, maybe even something that could benefit entire EVE playerbase. For example atrificial wormhole which could be used as a highway between certain systems for commerce or otherwise (think Suez Canal). Controlling such player built assets would be a serious driving force for cooperation and conflict.

I'm really sad that with having all those awesome creative people at CCP we haven't received much sci-fi features since Incarna (even though player base kinda enforced it) GÇô it's either more fancier, better balanced ships, or more fancier ways to blow them up (which isn't necessarily bad).

I'm starting to drift off-topic...

TLDR; Please focus development on conflict over resources instead of arbitrary structures and gimmicky game mechanics.

sov is only useful for alliance and corp leadership at the moment, ccp need to give us average joes a reason to care,

If anyone in an uncatchable ship (interceptor) can mess with your sov system there is no point in actually holding sov in the first place.

And before GRRR Goons comment, imagine 4 fleets of 250 man people in interceptors you can't catch messing with your space. It will become so frustrating you will either unsub or just move to NPC or lowsec. Not because someone is attacking your space, but because there is no real counter to it and you will be forced to repeat defending your nodes each day every day.


Making these modules fit to bigger ship hulls actually generates a fight and give meaning to the already useless battlecruisers and battleships, maybe even blap dreads.

I removed a reply to an edited out part of the quoted post.

It's funny how people complain about AFK cloakers in null where you have the wormhole bears who can't complain about those 5 cloaky proteii (proteus...es?) watching your every move.

Solution to AFK cloaking: remove local from sov null. Done!