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Danny Hawk Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:23:00 - [1291] im goin to say this as a memebr of the community not a memebr of tmpl. Ive never hated bob infact i know alot of players in bob and bob freindly corps and i beleieve that the normal players didnt know about this and tbh i fel really sry for them, can u imagine thinkin uve achieve so much in there time only to find out now that it was all in vain and ure now labelled a cheater along with all ure alliance. the guys in bob i know would fell just as if not more outraged by this than we do, and id be really shocked if they stay with bob now. Kieron, thanks for aleast tryin to answer the questions here i know alot of other mmo companys would justve said stfu or leave we dont really care. To the leadership of bob, (excluding dice) i aint bothered about the acount sharing and **** as we all know this happens in eve, this this about takin the bpo's from t20, i cant beleieve u didnt think it would come back and bite u in the ass. if u didnt then, then ure turely deserve whats whats coming.
Komen Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:24:00 - [1292] Well, I kept quiet. I personally had hoped the allegations were untrue, that when BoB and ASCN duked it out, the only advantage to be had was in leadership, and PLAYER-BUILT INFRASTRUCTURE. As it turns out, BoB had an unfairly gained advantage, and the alliance I helped support by running and contributing to extended mining ops to replace war losses was overrun by an alliance that, at the very least, unknowingly received illicit gain, and at the very worst KNOWINGLY received that aid. Oh, and then it comes out that T20's cheat was known, yet the BPO's remained in-game. That is beyond unfair. I don't even know a word for it. I've loved this game since I first saw a trailer for it (Angelice Prime), back in '02. Right now I'm debating whether I want to continue. What's the point, if by joining the wrong player alliance all my efforts, contributions, and pew pew comes to naught with the wave of the magic wand of favoritism? Sad day, CCP. You have MUCH yet to do in regards to this matter. ___________________________________ Wielder of the Trout of Doom(tm)! ___________________________________
mafesto Minmatar Luna Tech Manufacturing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:24:00 - [1293] wow, thats all I can say
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:27:00 - [1294] Originally by: aggro so next time someone account is banned for a minor infrigement of the eula. I think a law suit against ccp could happen. people pay money for this game and fraud and corruption is rife it seems. ccp have not banned people for major infridgements of the EULA, so why are paying customers so poorly treated. ccp better have some very good lawyers I love how people that read law-for-dummies always manage to make themselves look like complete tards.
Carth Jared Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:28:00 - [1295] They should demote t20 to traffic duty tbh. Let him fly a concord ship around at some god forsaken gate :P
Jenson Cole Red Dagger Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:28:00 - [1296] It's sad to see this happen but it did. my recomendation would be to 'request' the Dev responsible for this to resign. Offer him a severence packagage whatever and with the statement that he resigns from CCP leave the door open for giving a recomendation to his next employer. A very similar situatio DID happen a few months ago. A Dev spawned himself some rather unique equipment and got caught by a group of pirates. They blew his ship and looted it. A situation where they refused to turn over the items insued followed by CCP Banning them temporarily to aquire the items back and remove them from game. The Dev Blog that followed stated that the person responsible was terminated from there Employment with CCP. As much as this DEV was loved/hated by the game consistantcy needs to be present in terms of how punishment is delt. I won't go into the BoB punishment from this but either way there will be some form of shakeup potentially. I know the laws vary from country to country but if the person who was fired prior got wind of this and learned the Dev was not terminated it'd leave CCP open for a potential lawsuit.
Carth Jared Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:29:00 - [1297] Edited by: Carth Jared on 10/02/2007 11:25:20 whops
Mikal Drey Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:29:00 - [1298] Item Spawning by Dev (caught by a player) t20 cheating and effectivly getting away with it (caught by a player) Aurora/Event Staff passing information to their player corps ISD bias Polaris Frigs used to scout enemy territories player haxing (and ignored by CCP) HOW DEEP IS THIS POISONED WELL ?
Unbeliever Kresmoreen Pro Valde Justicia	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:30:00 - [1299] Dear Players, I'm absolutely abhorred that someone was able to catch me in my wrongdoings. In order to secure my position, we'll be renaming my characters and giving back 6 of the few dozen bpo's i spawned (the less important ones). Fear not, absolutely noone in the alliance knew i'd done this. They just assumed i was real real lucky with the lottery (wink wink). And don't worry, ill be sure to clean up Db logs far more effectively in the future, to ensure noone from the public finds out next time i feel like dropping a few motherships in delve. <3. This pat on the head proudly brought to you by CCP
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:30:00 - [1300] wow 47 pages of: - Omg bob must be banzored - omg he cheated, banzor him and everyone else we dont like with him - omg I will close my account if you dont banzor -insert victim- now! All I see is alot of envy. The same envy that goes towards certain alliances ingame because they are better at what they do than you. T20 did bad things, and as kieron mentioned he has been punished. End of story. Everyone else who feels they have been violated, lied to or what not do the following: 1 - walk away from computer 2 - walk to a mirror 3 - look at yourselv in mirror 4 - say "Its just a game" out loud 10 times 5 - Still angry? Return to step 3 6 - Feeling better now? Good... go shoot someone in lowsec. Please, please grow up. What the dev did is bad and CCP has handled the situation as professionaly as possible if you ask me. If you dont want to support CCP I suggest you cancel your accounts as fast as possible. Because whining here about how violated you feel wont get you anywhere. God, there are so many nubs in here. Grow up. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Karodnotos Caldari Tides of Silence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:31:00 - [1301] Punish the cheater ___________________ Eve Wiki \| dont forget
RANDWOLF	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:32:00 - [1302] You had to go and muck it up for everybody didnt yer. Good one
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:32:00 - [1303] Originally by: Eron Lygera wow 47 pages of: - Omg bob must be banzored - omg he cheated, banzor him and everyone else we dont like with him - omg I will close my account if you dont banzor -insert victim- now! All I see is alot of envy. The same envy that goes towards certain alliances ingame because they are better at what they do than you. T20 did bad things, and as kieron mentioned he has been punished. End of story. Everyone else who feels they have been violated, lied to or what not do the following: 1 - walk away from computer 2 - walk to a mirror 3 - look at yourselv in mirror 4 - say "Its just a game" out loud 10 times 5 - Still angry? Return to step 3 6 - Feeling better now? Good... go shoot someone in lowsec. Please, please grow up. What the dev did is bad and CCP has handled the situation as professionaly as possible if you ask me. If you dont want to support CCP I suggest you cancel your accounts as fast as possible. Because whining here about how violated you feel wont get you anywhere. God, there are so many nubs in here. Grow up. Is this possible? someone that actually makes sense? wow.
August Personage Caldari Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:35:00 - [1304] Originally by: Mikal Drey Item Spawning by Dev (caught by a player) t20 cheating and effectivly getting away with it (caught by a player) Aurora/Event Staff passing information to their player corps ISD bias Polaris Frigs used to scout enemy territories player haxing (and ignored by CCP) HOW DEEP IS THIS POISONED WELL ? WOE UNTO THEE seeing a gm on scanner =! HES IN OUR SYSTEM SCANIN OUR FACES!!! (if a gm really had been scouting, you wouldn't have known)
Zzleeper Amarr levisomnus spectatrix	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:36:00 - [1305] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: aggro so next time someone account is banned for a minor infrigement of the eula. I think a law suit against ccp could happen. people pay money for this game and fraud and corruption is rife it seems. ccp have not banned people for major infridgements of the EULA, so why are paying customers so poorly treated. ccp better have some very good lawyers STFU bob alt.. ("Dictionary" > "Chatting" > STFUShut The <censored> Up ) I love how people that read law-for-dummies always manage to make themselves look like complete tards. Cheaters never prosper!
KiLLaH KLoWN	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:39:00 - [1306] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Eron Lygera wow 47 pages of: - Omg bob must be banzored - omg he cheated, banzor him and everyone else we dont like with him - omg I will close my account if you dont banzor -insert victim- now! All I see is alot of envy. The same envy that goes towards certain alliances ingame because they are better at what they do than you. T20 did bad things, and as kieron mentioned he has been punished. End of story. Everyone else who feels they have been violated, lied to or what not do the following: 1 - walk away from computer 2 - walk to a mirror 3 - look at yourselv in mirror 4 - say "Its just a game" out loud 10 times 5 - Still angry? Return to step 3 6 - Feeling better now? Good... go shoot someone in lowsec. Please, please grow up. What the dev did is bad and CCP has handled the situation as professionaly as possible if you ask me. If you dont want to support CCP I suggest you cancel your accounts as fast as possible. Because whining here about how violated you feel wont get you anywhere. God, there are so many nubs in here. Grow up. Is this possible? someone that actually makes sense? wow. I see the BoB alts are filtering in finally
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:39:00 - [1307] Originally by: Zzleeper Edited by: Zzleeper on 10/02/2007 11:33:24 Edited by: Zzleeper on 10/02/2007 11:33:09 Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: aggro so next time someone account is banned for a minor infrigement of the eula. I think a law suit against ccp could happen. people pay money for this game and fraud and corruption is rife it seems. ccp have not banned people for major infridgements of the EULA, so why are paying customers so poorly treated. ccp better have some very good lawyers I love how people that read law-for-dummies always manage to make themselves look like complete tards. STFU bob alt.. ("Dictionary" > "Chatting" > STFUShut The <censored> Up ) You're so mature, i bow in your presence.
Fracking Beach	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:40:00 - [1308] Edited by: Fracking Beach on 10/02/2007 11:37:27 I dont feel outraged, but mostly saddened over this incident. I think it is depressing to find out the game I have loved to play so much is tainted with favoritism and cheating from the very creators of the game. I have one question and one comment on the subject, that I find extremely important: 1) Already mentioned numerously in this thread - a question that remains unanswered: The incident of the T2 bpo's was discovered in June 2006 by CCP. Why were the BPOs NOT removed from game during this discovery? I simply do not understand that. 2) In my personal opinion, putting EULA + legal matters aside, Kugutsumen has done a huge favor to the whole EVE player base by exposing this whole thing. CCP banning his accounts on EULA violations after the exposure can only be interpreted as a vindicative action as you have given "get out of EULA-violation" cards to other players (already mentioned in this thread). Only right thing todo would be to unban K's accounts.
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:41:00 - [1309] Originally by: Prestidigitator IMO, he's only confessed to the one thing that could actually be proved. While the history of a BPO is tangible and can be traced back, there's no way for CCP to prove that he misused his 'knowledge of the game' or passed on information. Say 'The matter is closed' as much as you want, but i'm afraid this still stinks to high heaven imho.[/quote Cancel your subscribtion then. You look rediculos trying to be the "wise man" here. Go in peace. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
ceaon Gallente Porandor	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:41:00 - [1310] Originally by: Eron Lygera 4 - say "Its just a game" out loud 10 times yes is just a game, a game that i pay whit real world money so we can be damn serious about that @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@
Maximus barabus	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:43:00 - [1311] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Eron Lygera wow 47 pages of: - Omg bob must be banzored - omg he cheated, banzor him and everyone else we dont like with him - omg I will close my account if you dont banzor -insert victim- now! All I see is alot of envy. The same envy that goes towards certain alliances ingame because they are better at what they do than you. T20 did bad things, and as kieron mentioned he has been punished. End of story. Everyone else who feels they have been violated, lied to or what not do the following: 1 - walk away from computer 2 - walk to a mirror 3 - look at yourselv in mirror 4 - say "Its just a game" out loud 10 times 5 - Still angry? Return to step 3 6 - Feeling better now? Good... go shoot someone in lowsec. Please, please grow up. What the dev did is bad and CCP has handled the situation as professionaly as possible if you ask me. If you dont want to support CCP I suggest you cancel your accounts as fast as possible. Because whining here about how violated you feel wont get you anywhere. God, there are so many nubs in here. Grow up. Is this possible? someone that actually makes sense? wow. /me tajes deep breath..... OH WAIT it is a game but i pay my rl hard erned cash to run my acounts (plural)
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:43:00 - [1312] Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN I see the BoB alts are filtering in finally Yes, people that can actually reason must be bob alts. I wonder how many of you will go to the fanfest and have the balls to actually stand up to the developers, instead of pretending to be all that behind your computerscreen.
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:43:00 - [1313] Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN I see the BoB alts are filtering in finally [:ugh: Why does it make me a bob-alt ? Because I dont jump on the bandwagon? Your bitterness is understandable but... its just a game. Cancel your subscription if you dont like it. Go in peace. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
KiLLaH KLoWN	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:45:00 - [1314] Originally by: ceaon Originally by: Eron Lygera 4 - say "Its just a game" out loud 10 times yes is just a game, a game that i pay whit real world money so we can be damn serious about that Not just a game if you pay a monthly subscription for more than 2 years.. It's a hobby and most people get passionate about their hobbies... May be just a game to you but not to most.
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:45:00 - [1315] Originally by: Maximus barabus /me tajes deep breath..... OH WAIT it is a game but i pay my rl hard erned cash to run my acounts (plural)[/quote and? Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
August Personage Caldari Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:46:00 - [1316] developers!
Kenneys	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:46:00 - [1317] Umm this is so very.. lame. It's one thing when a WoW developer helps an elite guild in a carebear environment. It's another thing when an Eve developer "gives epic items" in a pvp environment. To top it off.. any "internal" report(by ANY company) is usually a "downplay" of the actual event.
KiLLaH KLoWN	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:47:00 - [1318] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN I see the BoB alts are filtering in finally Yes, people that can actually reason must be bob alts. I wonder how many of you will go to the fanfest and have the balls to actually stand up to the developers, instead of pretending to be all that behind your computerscreen. WHAT??!! PAY MORE MONEY and go to their fanfest? You must be smoking some good stuff!!! HAHAHAHA
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:47:00 - [1319] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: aggro so next time someone account is banned for a minor infrigement of the eula. I think a law suit against ccp could happen. people pay money for this game and fraud and corruption is rife it seems. ccp have not banned people for major infridgements of the EULA, so why are paying customers so poorly treated. ccp better have some very good lawyers I love how people that read law-for-dummies always manage to make themselves look like complete tards. Actually to date no EULA has ever withstood the test of any European or United States court. The fact that they have not followed company policy in the manner by keeping t20 employed and by allowing known items to remain illicitly in game could very well damage their chances in a court of law. The fact that the EULA has been applied by whim it seems as they ban some for serious violations but don't ban others for the same or similar violations shows that the EULA might not have a chance of surviving court review. In essence given the facts we know about, it would be very difficult to defend the EULA in court. Galactic Express Recruitment Post
Sogarth Amarr Apache Corp EntroPraetorian Aegis	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:48:00 - [1320] kieron. I have read your responses to a little of the concerns raised in this thread (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=473490&page=1). TBH you have not answered anything, you are making excuses for not dealing with the problem, either at the time or now. Severe and drastic action is required by CCP to regain the player base trust which has been serverly broken by this incident, and now you compound the issue by doing nothing to deal with everyone involved or those who profitted from it. Read the replies that we as the community are stating within this thread the depth of feeling it has produced, and the resentment at CCP's actions with dealing with this. We are the people who pay to play, and yet again you ignore what we are saying. This aborted attempt at resolving this matter is pathtic. It's about time you grasped the nettle and take some serious action, be completly open and honest about it , and ban everyone involved. Restore the faith not compound it with excuses. As a company manager I am appalled by CCP's actions in regard to this, and as for banning people who highlight the issue, but fail to take serious action against those that have clearly broken more rules then I care to count, and given an unfair advantage to others within the game is beyond beleif. kieron, sorry to say this I as love this game, but you need to grow some B***s and deal with it. CCP's trust and integrity has been shaken to the core, best you deal with it sooner rather than later, as the damage will just get worse, as we the players loss faith in you and CCP. Fly safe

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