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UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:02:00 - [1801] I will make your wife/mann a widow.
starflam	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:02:00 - [1802] An appoligy is very easy ... I can't believe that you don't have give more bpo. i'm not sure to continue to play at a game under an sheat organize by the dev.
Hennry Fromer Gallente TRSG Research	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:03:00 - [1803] Edited by: Hennry Fromer on 11/02/2007 00:03:18 Originally by: Sinlare Edited by: Sinlare on 10/02/2007 15:20:45 lol, you are crazy. please tell me you're roleplaying. How can you seriously think that 'BOB had powers that would allow them to log in before downtime is over, crash nodes, somehow control who can log back in after a crash......' that's just insane. Next we will be hearing taht BoB leader can post real life information in the forums and not be banned. Fvortism is/was show - We do not know how deep or to what extent. Animal Farm paraphrase time "All animals are equal - some are just more equal than others"
John Tasker Caldari Black Thorne Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:04:00 - [1804] think why the discussion is slowing down is cause of alot of ppl can`t post anymore temporarly
Karmae Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:13:00 - [1805] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Brunn although 60 pages in so little time is good to see that so many ppl are worried about the subject, this thread is getting to big for the devs actualy adress all that has been posted here. What i would realy liked to see is any official answer from CCP who havent said anything for 18h. 60 pages of the same 40 people in it including me.. Ya thats a huge slice of the playerbase.. Or do you guys assume you speak for the entier playerbase? I want to see the answers to all the points previously mentioned such as cynonets, dev power abuse, BoBs alleged Polaris frig scouts, Double standards on banning(Kugutsumen vs. Molle), Dianabolics inside knowledge on petitions and so on as much as anyone else - although I have not posted until now I feel the general theme of discussion is representative of my feelings on the issues. As such those posters are speaking for me. But since I've started to post I'll say that I've been in Eve well over 3 years now - I'm 90% certain that there will be no renewals on subs for my accounts until CCP honestly get this in the open and stop sweeping things under the carpet. And FREE KUGUTSUMEN. CCP - It may be a bitter pill right now but in the long run he has done you (and the playerbase) a favour. Your self-regulation created this mess, if it wasn't brought to light now then how more rotten would your game become as time went on? The double-standards and selective banning does nothing to reassure me that this game is worth continuing with. /disappointed ==================== There is 10 types of people in this world... Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Flaming Lemming	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:14:00 - [1806] Originally by: John Tasker think why the discussion is slowing down is cause of alot of ppl can`t post anymore temporarly and because ppl who don't usually come here have a hard time finding out about it, because every mention of it in general discussion is deleted or locked (and allowed to fall off the page) I'm just an Alt....but my main doesn't have a sig either. a forum thread you need to read
Egne Ver Caldari The Reckoning	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:15:00 - [1807] Originally by: Mr Postman The Scandal has reached mmorpg.com: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/115703 ItÆs hit more than just that, itÆs on: www.bluesnews.com kotaku.com/gaming www.fragland.net/ www.rage3d.com/ www.playfuls.com/ www.freegamecam.com/ dig.com as well as: Slashdot The Enquirer The Escapist Shoot its hit real news now too, just Google it, its everywhere and everyone in the gaming community is watching. IÆve seen companies fold over less of a scandal tbh. CCP if your waiting for the right time to be honest and fix the problem, itÆs about to pass the point of no return. Damage control is not going to stop this, come clean and fix it.
John Tasker Caldari Black Thorne Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:15:00 - [1808] Originally by: Miasia Let us hope, that the preasure from other sides than the eve player community growth, so that they are forced to do more. I hope CCP pay's real money (loosing subsriptions = monthly income) for cheating us all. If something hurts their moneyback, people (even at CCP) knows, that something wents wrong. they will miss my 4 in less then 2 months
John Tasker Caldari Black Thorne Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:16:00 - [1809] Originally by: Flaming Lemming Originally by: John Tasker think why the discussion is slowing down is cause of alot of ppl can`t post anymore temporarly and because ppl who don't usually come here have a hard time finding out about it, because every mention of it in general discussion is deleted or locked (and allowed to fall off the page) atleast it`s linked in any mmo site
maximus babbarus Freelance Economics Astrological resources	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:17:00 - [1810] Originally by: Counterparty Originally by: Baun Why hasn't there been an ingame news posting about this? If you aren't covering this up how can you explain this? 65 pages and counting, nearly 2000 posts so far, and two dev blogs. Nope, no one can find this thread. CCP's cover up is working perfectly. this is the second thread down on the sickys so people can find it, thing is short of spamming local in every region, not all players will "stumbl" upon this thread Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Conuion Meow ([email protected])

Mr Postman Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:18:00 - [1811] Originally by: Counterparty Originally by: Baun Why hasn't there been an ingame news posting about this? If you aren't covering this up how can you explain this? 65 pages and counting, nearly 2000 posts so far, and two dev blogs. Nope, no one can find this thread. CCP's cover up is working perfectly. Someone should sit in Jita 24/t and redirect ppl to this tread javascript:insertsmilie('','WebPost','text'); Twisted Evil
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:19:00 - [1812] Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 11/02/2007 00:17:07 Originally by: Egne Ver Originally by: Mr Postman The Scandal has reached mmorpg.com: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/115703 ItÆs hit more than just that, itÆs on: www.bluesnews.com kotaku.com/gaming www.fragland.net/ www.rage3d.com/ www.playfuls.com/ www.freegamecam.com/ dig.com as well as: Slashdot The Enquirer The Escapist Shoot its hit real news now too, just Google it, its everywhere and everyone in the gaming community is watching. IÆve seen companies fold over less of a scandal tbh. It's going on in the forums of other games now as well. Links I won't post because I do respect EULAs and NDAs. ("do" not directed at anyone I quoted, to be clear) -AS
Helox Gallente Demonic Retribution Pure.	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:19:00 - [1813] I'm growing more and more frustrated with the "awh it's not a biggie" mentality of CCP. I mean, I know there are people screaming for BOB blood, but tbh, I couldn't care less about them. Apart from beeing a well organized alliance, they took whatever they could get their hands on. Tbh, I can't blame them. But ffs CCP! At least come out with it. Not like this, with just 2 crappy devblogs and a thread in a forum that noone ever read. -- the above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head -- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=473335The truth
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:20:00 - [1814] Originally by: Counterparty Originally by: Baun Why hasn't there been an ingame news posting about this? If you aren't covering this up how can you explain this? 65 pages and counting, nearly 2000 posts so far, and two dev blogs. Nope, no one can find this thread. CCP's cover up is working perfectly. What percentage of active players even read the forums on a day to day basis? Lets be really generous and call it 20%. What percentage of active forum readers ever read this section of the forums? 1% maybe? What percentage of EVE subscribers even know that there are dev blogs, much less read the dev blogs? Probably less than 20%. While all of that demonstrates actually how little the primary information has disseminated to the community, it is largely irrelevant. If CCP is so sincere about wanting our forgiveness and coming clean why are they deleting any linking of threads in other forums (even in replies)? Why hasn't their honest desire to make amends prompted an in-game news post? The answer is so obvious that you prodding me must have been disingenuous. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:22:00 - [1815] From a general discussion thread.. Originally by: Ben Deadwood Originally by: Deepspace Wanderer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..sweep...sweep...I'm sure no-one will see it under this carpet here.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, a 56 page thread in the very first section of the forum is sweeping it under the carpet. You think people are so blind as to not see what you are doing? Political metagaming disguised as moral outrage, you're all essentially brushing the peices off the chessboard cause your losing. BoB must truly be the best alliance if the only way you people think you can beat them is by trying to strongarm CCP into overreacting and punishing a whole alliance for the actions of one person. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Helxia	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:22:00 - [1816] An interesting fact. For a long time Eve Online was number 1 on mmorpg.com and just in last two days it slipped to number 3.
Caliwyrm O'Libr	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:23:00 - [1817] Originally by: Baun Originally by: Counterparty Originally by: Baun Why hasn't there been an ingame news posting about this? If you aren't covering this up how can you explain this? 65 pages and counting, nearly 2000 posts so far, and two dev blogs. Nope, no one can find this thread. CCP's cover up is working perfectly. What percentage of active players even read the forums on a day to day basis? Lets be really generous and call it 20%. What percentage of active forum readers ever read this section of the forums? 1% maybe? What percentage of EVE subscribers even know that there are dev blogs, much less read the dev blogs? Probably less than 20%. What percentage of people hear stuff 'word of mouth' from their friends? 100% When me and a dozen RL friends started playing EVE I was the only one who reads various EVE forums. Last night they ALL found out from me in corp chat and on TS about this. So far 8 of them have cancelled and the other 4 are giving it until Monday to see if there is a much more appropriate responce from CCP. ======= Talk is cheap because supply always outweighs demand..
Counterparty	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:24:00 - [1818] Originally by: Kedryn Caitin Originally by: Lord XSiV Actually it would be nice if all these people threatening to quit actually do. So, if every person of conscience quit the game and left the cheaters, exploiters, EULA violaters and corrupt devs playing it would be better for Eve? It would attract mature players? I find that an interesting stance to take. WHen every self-righteous eula-thumping innocence-feigning poster quits, yes it would be better around here. The posters ranting that their subscription payment entitles them to render judgements of holy purification on the devs don't make a better game. Amarrian-style zeolotry instantly became the flavor of the month on this thread.
Bluefix	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:29:00 - [1819] Originally by: Helxia An interesting fact. For a long time Eve Online was number 1 on mmorpg.com and just in last two days it slipped to number 3. Actually that's nothing new. It happens almost on a daily basis
Egne Ver Caldari The Reckoning	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:31:00 - [1820] Originally by: Caliwyrm O'Libr Originally by: Baun Originally by: Counterparty Originally by: Baun Why hasn't there been an ingame news posting about this? If you aren't covering this up how can you explain this? 65 pages and counting, nearly 2000 posts so far, and two dev blogs. Nope, no one can find this thread. CCP's cover up is working perfectly. What percentage of active players even read the forums on a day to day basis? Lets be really generous and call it 20%. What percentage of active forum readers ever read this section of the forums? 1% maybe? What percentage of EVE subscribers even know that there are dev blogs, much less read the dev blogs? Probably less than 20%. What percentage of people hear stuff 'word of mouth' from their friends? 100% When me and a dozen RL friends started playing EVE I was the only one who reads various EVE forums. Last night they ALL found out from me in corp chat and on TS about this. So far 8 of them have cancelled and the other 4 are giving it until Monday to see if there is a much more appropriate responce from CCP. Yep a frinds corp of 37 very active members is now down to 2

Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:32:00 - [1821] Originally by: Caliwyrm O'Libr What percentage of people hear stuff 'word of mouth' from their friends? 100% True as that may be,that means that the vast vast majority of players are getting information through a cosmic version of telephone. That people can get information without actually seeing the primaries actually has nothing to do with my question. Please deal with that directly if you could; If CCP is so committed to coming clean and being open, why can't this thread be linked to other more commonly read areas of the forum? Why haven't they made an ingame news post about the most monumental game related piece of news ever? It is hard for me to simultaneously believe that ever EVE player out there is getting this information somehow and that CCP is instructing forum moderators to quash mention of this elsewhere with no ulterior motive. Certainly if everyone has ready access to this information there would be no reason why there is no news posting right? There would be no reason not to make clear notice of this post on the other areas of the board? Here is a nice corrolary for you. When the forums were being bombarded with trojan links that were taking over people's accounts did CCP confine discussion of it to one thread? Did they make a new post about it? No, they stickied every forum with the information and made an urgent news posting about it. CCP thought that that was something everyone should know immediately. Obviously they don't believe that the entire player base should be given immediate notice of this. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Galea Wildfang Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:32:00 - [1822] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus (...) You spineless alt can just stop here. People state their feelings, concerns and believes in this thread, most of them once, a few of them a little more often. And whatever you say (if anything at all) will not change that. So STFU. Too bad this thread is not located in the sell forum, else you'd receive a warning for each bump after the first (per day that is). Flamming leads to anger, anger leads to pain, pain leads to suffering, and suffering leads to teh Dark Side !
Milano II Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:33:00 - [1823] Originally by: Arowe Telak Originally by: Shigsy They weren't actually even very good BPO's All except the Sabre bpo, which is one of the best. Anyways, at the very least I hope all the accusations in COAD dies down. It was getting a bit stupid tbh. AND THAT'S JUST THE BPOS TO WHICH THE ADMITTTT TO STEALING.
Siliya AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:35:00 - [1824] I think T20 Was offered up by BoB as a sacrificial Lamb to protect the others in the alliance ... 1 out of 10 Drug shipments you say ....
Slash Harnet Minmatar Industrial Services INC	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:36:00 - [1825] Originally by: Counterparty Originally by: Baun Why hasn't there been an ingame news posting about this? If you aren't covering this up how can you explain this? 65 pages and counting, nearly 2000 posts so far, and two dev blogs. Nope, no one can find this thread. CCP's cover up is working perfectly. I have you even checked whats happening in general discussion before shooting your mouth off? signature removed ... Pirlouit I finally got my sig nerfed once, I feel like a forum warrior!
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:36:00 - [1826] Originally by: Counterparty WHen every self-righteous eula-thumping innocence-feigning poster quits, yes it would be better around here. The posters ranting that their subscription payment entitles them to render judgements of holy purification on the devs don't make a better game. We are customers, we have every right. I for one hope this all gets straight and CCP and the game are better for it. Rules are rules, when they are applied selectivly, they cease to be rules and become something else. As a paying customer, I want assurances that the product I buy is of the same quality that the next guy buys. CCP wants to create a game for griefers by griefers, fine by me, I can grief too. I just want to know I am being griefed fairly and have the same asshat oppertunities as the next asshat. Oh look, a contradiction, a conflict of intrest inherint in the system. Fix it. -AS
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:36:00 - [1827] Edited by: Plutoinum on 11/02/2007 00:33:16 Originally by: Caliwyrm O'Libr Last night a search on yahoo for "EVE online dev misconduct" returned 1510 results. Today, 12 hours later, the same search returns 1970 results. I'd say the scope of this this is just slightly beyond this message thread. Yes, thanks to some people for not staying rational and creating the wildest stories. Currently I see only a few big issues on the table: 1) The BPOs from T20. He has been cheating, but it's not the reason, why BOB is a successfull alliance. BoB would be rich without them, that's for sure. If other key players knew, that the BPOs were obtained illegally, don't know. But don't forget, the problem was brought into BoB by T20. I doubt e.g. that Molle said to T20: 'Spawn us some BPOs, please.' And I wonder, if those other alliances, who are known to have exploited e.g. complexes or had ebayers in their rows and point their finger now, would have rejected those BPOs just because they are not sure, how they were obtained. Hypocrisy ftl ! 2) Several BoBs seem to knew that certain players of them were devs. That's again the sole mistake of those devs, because they didn't keep their mouth shut. 3) Account sharing. Not proven, but likely. If devs knew about it and didn't react, it's their fault, that they didn't react. Nevertheless giving away account details to let someone else use a character for a specific purpose hasn't been invented by BoB. It widely spread, although against the EULA and if they'd ban everyone, who has ever given their account details away, then I guess at least half of the older players wouldn't be ingame anymore. So if BoB did that then they were one of many, just that they used it more organized. The only special thing is that the devs in BoB didn't react, if they knew it. A resposible behaviour would have been to stop it, especially after many people already know that they were devs. Then they could have said: 'Hey guys, you know the EULA and I can't let this go through. So stop it !' If a dev knew of it, it was his in his responsibility. 4) character selling for $$. Eula violation like account sharing. Some guys in BoB are surely not the only ones, who did that. Again, if a dev knew of it, it was in his responsibility to stop it. Since his mates seem to knew his identity anyway, why didn't he talk to them and stop it ? (I mean I assume here that there was some kind of conflict of interests, because he doesn't want to look like a traitor, but anyway, he could have told his mates to stop it. On the other hand, the BoBs who maybe did it and knew that they have devs in their alliance, shouldn't have brought the dev into this conflict of interest in the first place by doing it in front of his nose. The other rumors seem to be just made up stories so far without any proof. If I look at it, I guess some alliances, who also harbor some members who don't take the EULA too seriously or have already exploited, can be happy that they don't have devs in their alliance. If they had a serious dev in their alliance who watches EULA violations and swings the ban hammer fast, they would have been in big trouble I think. From my view the main responsibility for this mess has CCP. No the clueless nubs cry like mad, because they think BoB have reached everything with cheating, witch is laughable. And the other BoB-haters want them to bleed, even if the impact off this on the game was neglible or if those EULA violations have also happen in their own alliance or corp. I see BoB more as a victim in this playing a tragic role. No major benefit that really made a big difference, but big mess !
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:37:00 - [1828] The double standards with regard to account sharing, e-bay/character sales and isk farming I find really problematic. Many average joes have been banned for such activities, and yet those exposed in recent events remain. I tend to think that CCP has turned a blind eye to these activities when it comes to many major players and alliances. It's obvious these activities are so widespread and would require a whole division to police, that these majors can fall through the *****s in CCP's minds. What this means is that CCP has wanted to see BoB flourish for the games storyline development, regardless of its effect on the small guy and the rest of the EVE community. I can understand this in some sense, and even surmise it probably didn't forecast some of the abuses scope or that it would result in certain of its own team actively exploiting the game system. I really don't know what should be done, but sweeping it under the carpet is not the right option. If CCP admits it knew but did nothing, yet banned other accounts, you have what looks like favouritism. This answer would only be part of the story in effect given its a bigger 'problem' than those mentioned as previously said. TBH it should have been all banned or none from the beginning.
Melbone Red	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:38:00 - [1829] the only way CCP will take care of this by it hurting in the pocket. many peeps are ****ed. CCP should give evryone a 90day time code. that wont happen. but when they lose a large amount of cash per month they will jump. My 2 cents
Sral TBear letter of marque	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:42:00 - [1830] ccp have just entered a nightmare. This have come up a few months after they used alot of $ on new hardware, and the nightmare is getting more ugly for eatch time zone to come online.. I fully understand that people want something, but it is weekend, we proberbly wount se anything before monday evening or tuesday CCP needs to do something, and it have to be rock solid. This is spreading over the net eatch minute, every single game site out there have something about it, and there is alot of frustratet players This can werry easely be the end of eve. Dont think IBM is to happy with this kind of attention, on eve. There is alot at stake here, for us its only a game for those working for them its there lifes, jobs that is at the end of the rope. There is a set of rules to be folowed, for me as gamer and for anyone working at ccp. All people on the bottom line wants is that those rules are effective and folowed and if broken no one is above them, not even the ccp owners Im realistic and i know that there will be no great answer proberbly over the weekend, but please, just dont take to long time or this will be on CNN, BBC and 60 minutes werry soon...



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