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Cosmic Blunder	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:26:00 - [2641] Originally by: Nighlighted Originally by: K1K1R1K1 Originally by: Nighlighted Edited by: Nighlighted on 12/02/2007 02:12:50 Originally by: K1K1R1K1 Originally by: MrDisposable Originally by: K1K1R1K1 This post delivers. All the hobos saying "this is discusting" and whatnot... get over it. One guy in CCP slipps and everyone's about to sh# a brick. One guy, not the entire team. So show some respect for the guys that built the game you love instead of just turning your back on em' in a heart beat the second something goes wrong. Something like this is the exception, not the rule... This is not the first time a CCP employee has done something like this. This is not the first time CCP has tried to silence a scandal. Fool me once shame on you.. fool me twice shame on me. What are the other incidents then? and how severe where they? Last Summer there was a GM who was Spawning Items on himself. Other then that I do not know. EDIT: Smacks Forehead* And this is a surprise? of course things like that will happen. CCP is composed of people, not robots. As long as major incidents aren't occuring on a regular basis all is good. An oddball gm gone rouge is inevidable. Well the issue is he was let go..... According to CCP he wasnt.
Deepspace Wanderer	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:29:00 - [2642] Originally by: Cosmic Blunder Originally by: Nighlighted Originally by: K1K1R1K1 Originally by: Nighlighted Edited by: Nighlighted on 12/02/2007 02:12:50 Originally by: K1K1R1K1 Originally by: MrDisposable Originally by: K1K1R1K1 This post delivers. All the hobos saying "this is discusting" and whatnot... get over it. One guy in CCP slipps and everyone's about to sh# a brick. One guy, not the entire team. So show some respect for the guys that built the game you love instead of just turning your back on em' in a heart beat the second something goes wrong. Something like this is the exception, not the rule... This is not the first time a CCP employee has done something like this. This is not the first time CCP has tried to silence a scandal. Fool me once shame on you.. fool me twice shame on me. What are the other incidents then? and how severe where they? Last Summer there was a GM who was Spawning Items on himself. Other then that I do not know. EDIT: Smacks Forehead* And this is a surprise? of course things like that will happen. CCP is composed of people, not robots. As long as major incidents aren't occuring on a regular basis all is good. An oddball gm gone rouge is inevidable. Well the issue is he was let go..... According to CCP he wasnt. T20 wasn't...the GM caught spawning the faction fitted BS (I believe it was) was eventually fired. That's one of the reasons ppl are so mad..a double standard is being applied not a good thing for Eve
Morgain dVher Minmatar The Rat Pack	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:35:00 - [2643] The GM he refers to was the GM involved in the scorpion incident in August. He was fired, or they said that and for some reason I believe them. The problem here has been complicated by the apparent cover up on the part of CCP regarding t20s actions, which is worse than what we know t20 did. It is also made worse that certain members of an alliance have not been banned, or at least the reasons for not banning them addressed. But, as Ender said: we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's.
Yan Song Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:51:00 - [2644] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Booster Junkie Originally by: Le Pecarosh Kieron, many people are still waiting for a simple answer to a simple question: Why wasn't SirMolle banned for posting someone's real-life details? Thank you. That's an excellent question, and needs to be answered. He posted on the forums. Rarely do actions on the forums get an in-game punishment. Um, isn't that the same thing as what Kug was banned for? If it does not happen in the game, you do not get an in-game ban... Somehow I think their question still remains. ----------------------------------------------- The Devs were never meant to be an OMGWTF game-winning PWNMOBILE
Hiivo Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:01:00 - [2645] Originally by: Yan Song Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Booster Junkie Originally by: Le Pecarosh Kieron, many people are still waiting for a simple answer to a simple question: Why wasn't SirMolle banned for posting someone's real-life details? Thank you. That's an excellent question, and needs to be answered. He posted on the forums. Rarely do actions on the forums get an in-game punishment. Um, isn't that the same thing as what Kug was banned for? If it does not happen in the game, you do not get an in-game ban... Somehow I think their question still remains. Indeed, after reading the report at The Escapist, this is exactly the question I came here to see answered.
Booster Junkie	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:03:00 - [2646] Originally by: Dagda Dia He admitted to having 6 AMMO T2 BPOs, what were the other 4 T2 BPOs Kug though it he had?? HAC?? According to this post from page 12, it was more ammo, and a Malediction. Originally by: Sephiraa THIS IS NOT OVER. * T20, you claim there were 6 BPOs, but that's not true. There were more. What is the fate of the others? What about these BPOs? When are they being put back in the lottery? - Barrage S Blueprint - Barrage L Blueprint - Inferno Javelin Torpedo Blueprint - Malediction Blueprint - Quake L Blueprint
Running Mann	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:05:00 - [2647] Originally by: Helox Dunno, but I believe t20 was a webdeveloper and just recently was promoted to a junior game dev? (Way to punish him btw) There we go! Isn't this a case of foreshadowing? Check the end of what was linked to. "Sharing these songs means I can't share them with my corpmates without being found out, with an unhealthy dose of paranoia and schizophrenia as an endresult. Thus are the secret lives of CCP player accounts." If only you had realized t20, just how much "paranoia and schizophrenia" would result -- legitimately! - when we found out just what you were up to. I like how he labels the legit negative response to his in-game actions. Does this seem like he's trying to pull a bit of pre-emptive damage control or what?
Hot Bird	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:14:00 - [2648] And if you go back and look at some of those old GMs in BoB threads, you'll see that quite often a BoB character was the last post on the topic and that his post was made AFTER the thread was locked. Originally by: MAC MCADAMS Let me see if I get this right If you cheat you dont get banned - If you highlight the cheaters you do If you post about BOB is gets locked, if BOB post about others it doesnt Sounds fair to me, whats the problem!!!!!!!!
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:14:00 - [2649] Originally by: Yan Song Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Booster Junkie Originally by: Le Pecarosh Kieron, many people are still waiting for a simple answer to a simple question: Why wasn't SirMolle banned for posting someone's real-life details? Thank you. That's an excellent question, and needs to be answered. He posted on the forums. Rarely do actions on the forums get an in-game punishment. Um, isn't that the same thing as what Kug was banned for? If it does not happen in the game, you do not get an in-game ban... Somehow I think their question still remains. Kugu also did a few highly illegal things, and did it expressly to cause problems. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:14:00 - [2650] Originally by: Running Mann Originally by: Helox Dunno, but I believe t20 was a webdeveloper and just recently was promoted to a junior game dev? (Way to punish him btw) There we go! Isn't this a case of foreshadowing? Check the end of what was linked to. "Sharing these songs means I can't share them with my corpmates without being found out, with an unhealthy dose of paranoia and schizophrenia as an endresult. Thus are the secret lives of CCP player accounts." If only you had realized t20, just how much "paranoia and schizophrenia" would result -- legitimately! - when we found out just what you were up to. I like how he labels the legit negative response to his in-game actions. Does this seem like he's trying to pull a bit of pre-emptive damage control or what? Wow, he is both skilled a cheating (or well not skilled enough apparently) and good at inserting his foot all the way into his mouth ... repeatedly. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Running Mann	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:16:00 - [2651] You know, even if SirMolle or anybody else from BoB is banned... it's ludicrous that all of them, and t20, have been given and are being given all the time in the world to hand all their possessions/isk/stolen-t2-blueprints to corpmates to hold for them until they make a new character. How much advance notice was Mr. K given so that he could shift his items and ISK to a friend? Can anybody tell me that?
Michael Lonewolf Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:18:00 - [2652] I just don't get why developers would support blatant cheats and violations of the EULA, but since at least one of them has I can only say, "WHY? That's just stupid, you already have a HUGE advantage in the game by knowing the mechanics on a level that only a developer would be able to!". Also, I personally don't appreciate the attempts to whitewash everything and shut up dissenting voices. We're all, in theory at least, adults who don't need to be told to shut up and do as we're told. I'm really offended by CCP's actions in this direction. They should know better considering that they're gamers too. I don't think it's right that BoB members should get a free pass for a lot of rules violations, including account sharing and hacking passwords into player accounts. It's really disgusting that they can do this and brag about it with no consequences...I've seen at least one post discussing account sharing from these boards. That's not playing the game, and if you can't play without violating the EULA and cheating then you are weak, you might as well go play DOOM on god mode for your ego rush, because you sure have no clue what it's like to play a real game. Now, I'm an adult, I have a life, and can't spend hours upon hours to play this game. It's definitely not my life although I enjoy playing when my better half's asleep and I'm up late at night (I don't sleep much). However much of the joy is taken out of a game when people cheat and use inside information to their advantage, and even if I were a member of BoB and benefitted from this it would still ruin a lot of the pleasure for me. CCP really needs to take care of these issues and not ban people who say "hey, wait, that's just not cool". In the meantime, I've already cancelled my billing here, whether I renew it or not depends on whether these serious issues get resolved in a responsible manner, and that does mean CCP biting the bullet and stop letting developers and players cheat. And that DOES include not giving inside information to their buddies in game...let's be real...that's just lame in the extreme. A big thumbs-down for how this has been handled so far, please redeem yourselves CCP so we can enjoy the game like before!
Akane Sumiko	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:22:00 - [2653] hit the enter key once in a while man :s Text-blob
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:24:00 - [2654] Originally by: Running Mann You know, even if SirMolle or anybody else from BoB is banned... it's ludicrous that all of them, and t20, have been given and are being given all the time in the world to hand all their possessions/isk/stolen-t2-blueprints to corpmates to hold for them until they make a new character. How much advance notice was Mr. K given so that he could shift his items and ISK to a friend? Can anybody tell me that? You're assuming they aren't already banned if they're to be banned, or if they will be banned, which is unlikely, because you won't find any MMO company that bans based off of info solely from another source. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:29:00 - [2655] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Running Mann You know, even if SirMolle or anybody else from BoB is banned... it's ludicrous that all of them, and t20, have been given and are being given all the time in the world to hand all their possessions/isk/stolen-t2-blueprints to corpmates to hold for them until they make a new character. How much advance notice was Mr. K given so that he could shift his items and ISK to a friend? Can anybody tell me that? You're assuming they aren't already banned if they're to be banned, or if they will be banned, which is unlikely, because you won't find any MMO company that bans based off of info solely from another source. Well , SirMolle did his eula violation on this forum sos it it solely CCPs source :-D you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Toria Nynys Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:39:00 - [2656] Originally by: Michael Lonewolf I just don't get why developers would support blatant cheats and violations of the EULA, but since at least one of them has I can only say, "WHY? That's just stupid, you already have a HUGE advantage in the game by knowing the mechanics on a level that only a developer would be able to!". Well, one theory is the t2 lottery is stupid in the extreme. A dev realizes just how stupid, and to save some pointless grinding and time wasting just spawns the end results so his corp could focus on the important things in Eve -- the PvP. After all, BoB is obscenely rich, that's a few more billion in assets or some time saved? Rest of us little people get to grind, though. Quote: Also, I personally don't appreciate the attempts to whitewash everything and shut up dissenting voices. Can't argue with the results though. Sweeping this issue under the carpet bought 6 months of peace, and a successful merger with White Wolf. If it wasn't for a nasty *** doing things for his own benefit, we'd all be happy mushrooms right now. Coverup is often times the best policy, but there is definitely a risk of backlash and anger if the news does somehow get out. As some people pointed out, a lowlife script kiddie appears more trustworthy than an employee of CCP. Anyway, I know I'd be happily grinding mishes as opposed to whoruming if the news hadn't gotten out. So I can see why you'd want to keep things like this hush-hush. Quote:** I don't think it's right that BoB members should get a free pass for a lot of rules violations, including account sharing and hacking passwords into player accounts. It's really disgusting that they can do this and brag about it with no consequences...I've seen at least one post discussing account sharing from these boards. And that's really my problem. Not so much the coverup, any corporation would try to do that. The on-going, blatant favortism. It can't continue if CCP wants to grow up and be seen as anything but a bunch of rank ammateurs.
Cker Heel ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:41:00 - [2657] Gotta say I really appreciate Maya Rkell bothering to reply to this thread. Great content. I am not disturbed by the behaviour of CCP or its employees. It is human nature. Expecting more is fantasy. What does puzzle me is the alt posted drumbeat to damage CCP Inc itself. Relentless posts by alts hoping for magazine articles or big credit card chargebacks does disturb me. Cancelling subs and clamouring for heads is an understandable reaction. Wanting to vandalize the company, though, is very disturbing.
Mini Mizer	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:45:00 - [2658] FIRE HIM! Confiscate all the corps goods and give them to concord. All accounts should have some (-) isk balance. It' BS if you don't. Whole companies are punished today depending on where the crime takes place, there is no difference in a company or a corp. The corp should be punished - all the accounts whereever they may be. You can not guarantee our EVE experience if you dont exact punishment inside your own mist. grrrrr
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 03:56:00 - [2659] Originally by: Cker Heel Gotta say I really appreciate Maya Rkell bothering to reply to this thread. Great content. I am not disturbed by the behaviour of CCP or its employees. It is human nature. Expecting more is fantasy. What does puzzle me is the alt posted drumbeat to damage CCP Inc itself. Relentless posts by alts hoping for magazine articles or big credit card chargebacks does disturb me. Cancelling subs and clamouring for heads is an understandable reaction. Wanting to vandalize the company, though, is very disturbing. Trying for that free T2 BPO eh? Dude no one wants to burn CCP to the ground. I love this game and if it goes away I will be stuck with no other MMORPG to play. Unfortunately CCP has shown that it takes a community uproar to light a fire under it's rump and get going. I admit I want some blood for blood. T20 should be fired per company regulations OR they need to reinstate the cheating GM. Sir Molle and all his accounts should be perma-banned OR Kug should be given his back. There should also be a serious investigation as too what else has been going on.. eve wide. I want CCP to reclaim this awesome game world they have made from the cheaters, liars, and other scum.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:00:00 - [2660] Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 03:58:22 Oh as a sidebar I am sure everyone at CCP is **ED at T20 right now and the whistleblower. Those that where/are doing the same are going to be ALOT more careful. Those that keep thier noses clean are probally saying, "Thats for messing it up for everyone *****!!" See the way things work in the world of the grown ups is you give someone enough rope to hang themselves with it, and they do. If this happens to often the few will ruin it for the many and the rope disappears. In this case ROPE=characters on TQ or maybe just characters in alliances.
Devie Viviem Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:05:00 - [2661] Originally by: SweetSerenity Edited by: SweetSerenity on 12/02/2007 00:17:17 Then this begs the question of who vouched for the devs characters to be recruited into BoB? Pretty much all BoB corps have the same policy of admitting new members: have a lot of SP, be a good PvP'er, and know someone already in BoB. So who did the dev know, or did this person just make contact with BoB corp leaders and say "hey I'm a dev, I can get you all free stuff if you just let me in"? I'm sorry, but when I sit and think about it for a minute this isn't tinfoil hattery speaking. To me it's the tip of an iceberg and calls into question a lot of progress made by BoB in the past year. Remember a lot of people were paranoid about this last year and they were laughed off for dreaming up the new conspiracy theory of the week. Well now at least one of them is true. Hey SirMolle...speak up any time now! You've constantly told people to show proof. Seems some proof has arisen. Care to make a formal statement. You usualy cant keep your mouth shut on this sort of thing. Did you have ties to the Dev's? Of all of the questions I have asked this is now the one I want answered most. But, there seems to be some kind of gag order out....interesting. Tick Tock Molle....lol
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:10:00 - [2662] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Look, I can understand what you are trying to get at, but ultimately this is another call to regulate them in a way that they end up not being knowledgeable about how all aspects of the game works in practice. You may convince a few teenagers with that argument. But the truth is you don't need the devs playing the game to know how the game works. Like the "mistery shoopers" many stores use, hire some 'game testers'. Pay them to play the game and provide input to the devs. But the devs should not be the testers and the testers should not have dev access to the inner workings of the game. If devs really need to test a feature, game mechanics or something similar, they can do it on sisi. That's what sisi is there for.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:23:00 - [2663] Originally by: Cosmic Blunder A person who commits an illegal action punishable with jail sentance, .... Prof or STFU. You know, if I were K, I would be planing on sueing ur arse. What you just did is call difamation. And it is punishable by law. It doesn't matter if it was in the middle of a posting frensi. "Donald Trump Vs Rosie O'Donnell" anyone?
The Libertine	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:23:00 - [2664] Originally by: Nils Bohr So you're saying you think t20 didn't level with his employers back in June, when CCP found out about this? Seems like they'd sack him now for not telling the full truth then. Nah, that makes no sense at all. If t20 is staying with CCP, that means he must have told them about the BPOs at the very least. Clearer now? Maybe it slipped his mind? He can't be expected to remember every single time he broke the rules and spawned an illegal BPO for BoB ... right? --- Since the BoB CynoNet violated the account sharing rules in the EULA; why haven't all those BoB accounts been banned yet?
La Hefa	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:27:00 - [2665] It's about integrity and that has been lost.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:37:00 - [2666] Originally by: Cker Heel Wanting to vandalize the company, though, is very disturbing. Thats human nature as well. t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Drake Winson	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:41:00 - [2667] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Like the "mistery shoopers" many stores use, hire some 'game testers'. Pay them to play the game and provide input to the devs. But the devs should not be the testers and the testers should not have dev access to the inner workings of the game. ...or they could listen to their paying customers......
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:42:00 - [2668] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Look, I can understand what you are trying to get at, but ultimately this is another call to regulate them in a way that they end up not being knowledgeable about how all aspects of the game works in practice. You may convince a few teenagers with that argument. But the truth is you don't need the devs playing the game to know how the game works. When you can name me an MMO that doesn't have its devs playing it (heavily), you can lecture me on the subject, until then, I'll take the word of MMO devs who have stated its suicidal to not play the game you work on. EQ 1/2, UO, WoW, DAOC, L1/2, FFXI... the list goes on. They all play their own games, both for business and pleasure. SISI is in no way an indication of how things work on TQ, a perfect example is the Drake, omg did people while and scream about the Drake being some unkillable pwnmobile, while excluding to mention that the Drake wasn't fit for tackling, and was setup on pure tank with abut 150dps. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:44:00 - [2669] Originally by: Marcellog Edited by: Marcellog on 11/02/2007 17:45:39 Why does two GMs appear in the system where BoB will attack a POS, and few minutes before this attack these 2 GMs were inside ASCN POS???? http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/marcellog/gmbobposatack.jpg Who will do something about it, I would bet that BoB's ACSN attack was unfair, since we could see GMs helping BoB. Shame CCP - Shame BoB!!! Is this true? If so this whole game is a farse. -AS
Deepspace Wanderer	Posted - 2007.02.12 04:54:00 - [2670] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: Marcellog Edited by: Marcellog on 11/02/2007 17:45:39 Why does two GMs appear in the system where BoB will attack a POS, and few minutes before this attack these 2 GMs were inside ASCN POS???? http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/marcellog/gmbobposatack.jpg Who will do something about it, I would bet that BoB's ACSN attack was unfair, since we could see GMs helping BoB. Shame CCP - Shame BoB!!! Is this true? If so this whole game is a farse. funny, that link seems to be broken now not a good thing for Eve

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