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ChironV
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:39:00 -
[2881]
Originally by: Logan Feynman Edited by: Logan Feynman on 12/02/2007 12:29:39 Kugutsumen on BoB
Coffee, exit mouth at projectile speed. 3 stacked mods of extra damage to monitor and wall.
You officially win this thread... ________________________________________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
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Alumion
Amarr Dragons of the Twilight Sun
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:46:00 -
[2882]
Edited by: Alumion on 12/02/2007 13:43:20
Originally by: Kerfira
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where this blackmailing crap came from. He released his information and also contacted CCP, all his accounts banned was the answer. Maybe he thought that simply telling CCP would accomplish nothing - after all they knew it for a long time and did virtually nothing
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Nepereta
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:51:00 -
[2883]
all this talk of BPOs is short sighted and lacking in imagination. I don't think X number of BPOs shifts things, it's the implication that having a dev on the team gives a particular faction infilitrator access to in theory everything pertaining to the Eve game system. Including finding the X,Y,Z position fittings etc of ships and poses. The contents of chatchannels. The state of a particular node. Remember bookmarks and such are all stored server side so they are all suspect.
Surely thats a no-brainer?
In fact I think the DEV in giving the BPOs out felt he needed to be caught. If I was him I personally would of acquired the BPOs by watching the lottery winners and camping out the appropiate stations in game. Would of been clean and safer than what this dude did.
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merc999
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:51:00 -
[2884]
Edited by: merc999 on 12/02/2007 13:48:13 Kefira.
there are some things you dismissed as no proof.
1. BoB leadership set up and operated a cynonet which utalised shared accounts , the proof has beeen sent to CCP and is available on another website, This is against the EULA 2.The Cynonet was in use when T20 was in charge of BoBs capital fleet, it is inconcievable that he was not aware of this breach of the EULA 3. T20 has only admitted to 6 BPO's, there is enough eveidence on another website to point to at least 10 4. Kugutsumen did NOT post RL info on the Eve-o forums, he posted it in a private forum on a 3rd party website, from where it WAS copied onto Eve-o 5. Sir Molle DID post RL info on the Eve -O forums and is not banned. The reasons CCP gave for banning Kugutsumen is the posting of RL info, why is the axe not falling fairly 6. Kugutsuman has been accused of illegal hacking etc, without any opportunity to defend himself on the eve-o forums, yet CCP says they have no proof of ANY illegal activety, and on another website it has been clearly shown that the data came from a mole who dumped the data and passed it onto to Kugutsumen.
All this evidence and info is out there on the web on a website we are not allowed to link to here. I suggest those with an open mind remember Google is your friend and go and read and make your own minds up.
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Hennry Fromer
Gallente radiated space gerbils
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:51:00 -
[2885]
Originally by: Alumion Edited by: Alumion on 12/02/2007 11:16:38 When exactly did Kugutsumen "blackmailed" anyone? As far as I know he posted it immediately on his blog which kind of defeats the point in blackmailing
If any proof exists that he indeed blackmailed BoB/CCP, where is it? Can you say propaganda?
Oddly enough in his own forums in the section where he posted an IRC chatlog section - he was demanding a nyx and dbpreacher be kicked from BoB.
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Nils Bohr
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira The correct procedure is, that if you have proof (yes, you know, PROOF) of any other player in the game cheating, then you inform CCP ...
The playerbase is NOT CAPABLE of deciding whether anyone has cheated, and is NOT CAPABLE of deciding whether something is 'proof' or not
Thanks for the advice, Kerfira.
Remember lads:
1) If you have PROOF of cheating, you must report it to CCP.
2) You are NOT CAPABLE of deciding if you have proof.
Or you could, just, you know, make your own judgments on the evidence presented like people do every single day of their lives. 'sup to you, really.
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Barry O'mass
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:52:00 -
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this is not a court of law so how or where the information was obtained is not importent.. what is important is the view of CCP in the eyes of the puplic.
Alot of questions have been asked, not all are unacceptable, and it is up to CCP to answer them.
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merc999
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:54:00 -
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Quote: 1) If you have PROOF of cheating, you must report it to CCP
then look for another game to play as your accounts will be banned, and the cheats will slander and defame you and reveal your RL details on the Eve-o forums unpunished
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Trilliam Blackthorn
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:56:00 -
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Again....easy fix to all the hubbub:
DEVELOPERS ARE FORBIDDEN TO PLAY ON TQ.
Customer confidence restored. End of Story.
Remove the ability for Dev's to corrupt the game, and all this will be moot.
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Secretary
Bargain consumables
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:57:00 -
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While i understand the calls for "more information! omg tell us something is being done!!!11" it's going to take a while for ccp to produce a statement. There's enough smart people who read the forums and grandmaster forumwarriors that CCP should know to sculpt their statement with exquisite care. Any statement has to convince the large majority of players to keep paying. There has been an incident of GM cheating in the past but it seems that while CCP fired the offender they didn't impliment the changes they claimed they would so to regain any credibility they have to enforce a policy that's actually already there and one which provides some mechanism by which the players can measure performance of the policys effect or at least guage the bias they're up against when they submit a petition or fall victim to a petition.
The other option is of course the mushroom option where we're told all is well and "steps have been taken" but nothing substantial occurs, some players quit most don't until the next time a GM or dev is caught breaking the rules.
CCP reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason they choose so the molle / haxor arguments are void. CCP are under no obligation to fire anyone on the demand of the community, their shareholders may have some say but customers don't so please stop demanding heads.
There is a better game. If you love eve then you'll keep playing, if this event has caused you to feel betrayed then you won't. Shouting on the forums may seem like a viable way to get CCP to hear your views but really they're only interested in your money.
There is no fair. Your only feedback to CCP is to play or quit. I am an alt.
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Natalie Scarlett
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Posted - 2007.02.12 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Liquid Vision I doubt we ever get an answer. Pretty simple reason why too. The highest high ups at CCP are the ones involved. Just hear me out and try not to scream tin-foil hat before you read it.
CCP was created, in part, by a LARGE group of people that played in the same guild over on Ultima Online. Supposedly they were a buncha pvp griefers and ruled with an iron-fist. Anyways. . .all those guys came over to CCP and MANY of them are on the dev team. So, you gotta buncha guys that played together in UO and then started their own game or started their own crew inside a game they were developing, whatever you wanna call it. Why is it such a leap of imagination to believe that these guys would want to play together again? Of COURSE they would. So, this idea that there are devs in EVERY alliance and blah blah blah is just as unfounded as the idea that ALL devs are in BOB. . .and I'd be willing to suggest that the latter is MUCH more plausible than the former. In fact, while it can't be "proven" of course. . .many folks in the know suspect that Oveur and kieron themselves play in BOB as well as Lemonde (who might not even be of voting age yet he's a dev. . .no offense Lemonde)
So, this idea that T20 is the ONLY dev in BOB and the ONLY dev helping BOB is just as asinine as any wild-eyed conspiracy theory thrown out there. However, I'd argue that circumstances seem to point towards multiple high-ranking devs/employees being in BOB and giving them an unfair advantage. Of course we'll never know unless kugutsumen decides to hack CCP and expose their logs, because they sure as hell aren't gonna spill the beans. They had 6 months to place all the blame on T20 and be up-front with the community and instead they covered it up. Probably because the rest of them are just as guilty as T20.
In another words... Those DEVs are not simple game programmers devs. They have CCP GAMES COMPANY shares. Did you get the problem?
Hey Kids. You know.... now you are running a business company!
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Lunadi
Minmatar Solar Trade
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:05:00 -
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The sad thing is that it's the first time I had to refer to some out of games forums & resources to find out what actually happened or could have happened over there. Sad, because i realise it mean I started to disbelieve CCP have done eveything in this matter and actually plays fair with the community.
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D'an Y'eal
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:06:00 -
[2893]
Edited by: D''an Y''eal on 12/02/2007 14:03:39 I call bull****. The new devblog about their stupid f-ing magazine is now up. Whew...... I'm glad it's all over now. I can sleep easy cause I know how the advertising in a magazine works. Thanks CCP for burning the midnight oil all weekend to re-establish your customers trust in you with this. Come on! ----------------- Read This |
Hennry Fromer
Gallente radiated space gerbils
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:10:00 -
[2894]
Originally by: Trilliam Blackthorn Again....easy fix to all the hubbub:
DEVELOPERS ARE FORBIDDEN TO PLAY ON TQ.
Customer confidence restored. End of Story.
Remove the ability for Dev's to corrupt the game, and all this will be moot.
The develpers should be able to play on TQ - However there should be no use of any / commands and ANY meta-commands should be logged and traced back to the petition they resolve. This is a sum 0 game so used basic accounting to cancel back all the commands used to create or change the production eviornment.
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Tiodus
Gallente City of Certitude
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:14:00 -
[2895]
Edited by: Tiodus on 12/02/2007 14:11:21 Sorry but the collateral damage of handing out the BPO's to BoB is too big to be shrugged at or ignored.
This HAS to be fixed; how to do it, that's luckily not my issue. But, fix it.
kthx,
-Tiodus
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Ladyah Liandri
Take By Surprise Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:15:00 -
[2896]
Originally by: D'an Y'eal [Thanks CCP for burning the midnight oil all weekend to re-establish your customers trust in you with this. Come on!
/signed
Sensitivity FTW
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Sir BuildALot
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:18:00 -
[2897]
Originally by: merc999
4. Kugutsumen did NOT post RL info on the Eve-o forums, he posted it in a private forum on a 3rd party website, from where it WAS copied onto Eve-o 5. Sir Molle DID post RL info on the Eve -O forums and is not banned. The reasons CCP gave for banning Kugutsumen is the posting of RL info, why is the axe not falling fairly
See here Mittani hasnt been banned and he did the same I mean omg is he a Dev to?
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Doomicon
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:19:00 -
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I'm new to Eve, been here little over a month. Just starting reading about all this last week, it was tough trying to find the source of the information until I finally narrowed it down to a google.com search string 'Reikoku Makes Its Own Luck Kugutsumen' then clicked on the cached links, as the orginal posts are unavailable. Thought I would provide this bit of info, will probably cancel my account. Too bad, game was cool, but honestly this is ridiculous.
Suggest all read the source material, as I see alot of misinformation being spread... then again, this post will probably be >/dev/null lol.
Even thou I will probably cancel my account, I'm curious as to what CCP's policy is on Alliances renting out player owned space to known ISK Farmers/Resellers?
./peaCe
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Allan Robertson
Gallente Azure Horizon Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:27:00 -
[2899]
I'm willing to forgive t20, whats done is done I guess, and CCP and the game must move on from all this.
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merc999
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:27:00 -
[2900]
Quote: I'm curious as to what CCP's policy is on Alliances renting out player owned space to known ISK Farmers/Resellers?
Probably nothing... Its is BoB after all and the EULA and forum rules dont apply
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Sionn Klorgh
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:32:00 -
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merc999 Caldari S******dly Pandemic Legion Posted - 2007.02.12 13:51:00 - [3072] - Quote Edited by: merc999 on 12/02/2007 13:48:13 Kefira.
there are some things you dismissed as no proof.
1. BoB leadership set up and operated a cynonet which utalised shared accounts , the proof has beeen sent to CCP and is available on another website, This is against the EULA 2.The Cynonet was in use when T20 was in charge of BoBs capital fleet, it is inconcievable that he was not aware of this breach of the EULA 3. T20 has only admitted to 6 BPO's, there is enough eveidence on another website to point to at least 10 4. Kugutsumen did NOT post RL info on the Eve-o forums, he posted it in a private forum on a 3rd party website, from where it WAS copied onto Eve-o 5. Sir Molle DID post RL info on the Eve -O forums and is not banned. The reasons CCP gave for banning Kugutsumen is the posting of RL info, why is the axe not falling fairly 6. Kugutsuman has been accused of illegal hacking etc, without any opportunity to defend himself on the eve-o forums, yet CCP says they have no proof of ANY illegal activety, and on another website it has been clearly shown that the data came from a mole who dumped the data and passed it onto to Kugutsumen.
What has been admitted is in my opinion the tip of the iceberg. What I find most sickening is that while BOB preached about proper conduct upon others, they are at the center of the biggest stink cloud to hit eve.
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Doomicon
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:32:00 -
[2902]
Originally by: merc999
Quote: I'm curious as to what CCP's policy is on Alliances renting out player owned space to known ISK Farmers/Resellers?
Probably nothing... Its is BoB after all and the EULA and forum rules dont apply
My question wasn't specifically BoB related, to be honest up until last week I thought Band of Brothers was a great book by S.Ambrose. If you've read the convo in question, and the ISK Farmers/Resellers quote, it seems pretty obvious that this incident wasn't particular to one Alliance. That was why I asked the question.
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Wotar
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:37:00 -
[2903]
Originally by: Kerfira For some reason (of mistake) the spawned BPO's were not reclaimed until lately.
Proof?
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Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:38:00 -
[2904]
Originally by: merc999
You have the best signature in the history of the forums.
/me ponders stealing it.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Freaky Bare
Minmatar Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:38:00 -
[2905]
Originally by: Allan Robertson I'm willing to forgive t20, whats done is done I guess, and CCP and the game must move on from all this.
Forgiving T20 is not the solution to this problem. Tell me honestly - do YOU know what is a bannable offense in this game? I no longer have any idea.
I can live with most of this if they get honest and clarify things. Except:
EVERY player who knowingly posted RL info on this forum needs to go! There is no more serious offense possible in this game than F****** with players in real life. I will NOT continue to play this game if I must worry that some cretin may try to screw with my family. The person posting the info may just be a jerk - one of the folks reading it may be FAR worse. K needed to be banned - so does Sir Molle. This should not need to be argued.
This is the only issue involved in this pile of stinking dung that would lead me to quit the game that I love.
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Xthril Ranger
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira The only valid PROOF that you can trust in a game like this is what is in CCP's log files! As for what actions to take concerning the game, that is SOLELY up to CCP to decide. No matter how disgustingly people in this thread describe CCP, even if they WERE like that (which I do not for a microsecond believe), they would STILL be the only source of trustworthy information.
For what it is worth, I believe that CCP is honestly trying to run this game in the fairest possible way to all players. This is only sensible since they're there to make money off the game.
But CCP is the part that is caught telling lies. We now cant trust CCP anymore and that is what makes this thread so long.
And if you still believe that ccp wants to runs this in the fairest possible way you should be told that CCP knew that BoB had illegaly spawned tech 2 BPOs but let them have it for another 6 months and intended to let em have it forever just because they didnt want to let the rest of the players know. you'll never jump alone
Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg |
Xthril Ranger
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:41:00 -
[2907]
Originally by: Baun
Originally by: merc999
You have the best signature in the history of the forums.
/me ponders stealing it.
isnt that from a page of signatures that someone made and encouraged people to use? go look on the alliance forum or something. There was a link in some thread. you'll never jump alone
Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg |
Irrilian
Quetzalcoatl Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:41:00 -
[2908]
At some point in the future I want to be able to say the following to a friend when asked about Eve:
"That corruption scandal? Indeed it was serious, I even unsubscribed at the time as I felt so strongly about it. But after fumbling about for a bit CCP took decisive action that restored the trust of the community, there are now clear whistle blowing policies, an internal audit division and more importantly of all policies and procedures to help keep devs/gms/volunteers etc honest. I resubscribed and I'm still playing Eve, so Id definitely recommend it to you as the best mmorpg out there."
Would you help me say that CCP?
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Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:42:00 -
[2909]
Edited by: Jacque Custeau on 12/02/2007 14:38:56 Hey weren't there players about 3 years ago who found a way to spawn megacyte in their cargo hangars. They are no longer playing EvE because CCP perma banned them.
If t20 is still working at CCP thats ok, but if he is still allowed to play EvE then thats a double standard. I'm not going to argue over the fantasy that a dev needs to play the game he is developing, but I will say that if t20 cannot do his job without playing EvE, then he should be fired. ------------------- |
Doomicon
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:43:00 -
[2910]
Originally by: Freaky Bare
Originally by: Allan Robertson I'm willing to forgive t20, whats done is done I guess, and CCP and the game must move on from all this.
Forgiving T20 is not the solution to this problem. Tell me honestly - do YOU know what is a bannable offense in this game? I no longer have any idea.
I can live with most of this if they get honest and clarify things. Except:
EVERY player who knowingly posted RL info on this forum needs to go! There is no more serious offense possible in this game than F****** with players in real life. I will NOT continue to play this game if I must worry that some cretin may try to screw with my family. The person posting the info may just be a jerk - one of the folks reading it may be FAR worse. K needed to be banned - so does Sir Molle. This should not need to be argued.
This is the only issue involved in this pile of stinking dung that would lead me to quit the game that I love.
Thanks for this info, like I said I'm new. If posting a players personal info is not a bannable offense, that's all I need to know. I'm outta here.
./peaCe
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