Except the current war won't last an eternity and everyone knows that including CCP. A spike in logins is useless. You need long term stuff.

It worked in Dust because the game was built from the ground up with that system in mind and because it had a single activity that fed a single progression tree and a single, very different, passive scheme.

It cannot be implanted post-fact in a freeform sandbox such as EVE. In order for it to work in EVE, it must not be tied to a single activity. Indeed, it must not be tied to any activity at all. It must be properly balanced against the full range and every mode of passive SP acquisition. It must actually encourage the pre-existing gameplay. In other words, it must be none of the things suggested by this proposal to the point where it is wholly disconnected from SP altogether GÇö that scheme is better served by simply increasing the training speed, if that's what they're after (it isn't).

Retrofitting a wholly incompatible progression mechanic from an unrelated game GÇö and an entirely different game genre to boot GÇö is so massively unintelligent and contrary to anything even remotely resembling coherent game design that it beggars belief.

The problem is that it opens the door for similar themepark-style features to be implemented into the game... they specifically said in the OP that they were planning on expanding on all of this.

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Yes it does. It removes choice; it penalises non-conformance; and it devalues the time they spend in the game doing what they want.

There isn't a single positive or beneficial aspect to this idea that hasn't already been tried and rejected for being actively bad for the game.

Bribing-áGǪ dull grind GǪ conflict GǪ

Bribing people to do a dull grind is as short-term a solution as they come.
Bringing conflict back into the game is not.

Having active and passive SP worked in Dust. I'm sure CCP is looking at the engagement numbers from those daily mission systems there. Even on a dying console, Dust was able to retain a die hard userbase that according to Hilmar helped make the game profitable. Having played Dust, the daily system really helped some days to encourage a log in.

Bribing people to do a dull grind is as short-term a solution as they come.
Bringing conflict back into the game is not.

300k sp per month. It is ~15% of monthly trained SP.

So, if CCP want to make EVE an ordinary Korean MMO, isn't it better to make x1.15 training speed when character is online?

Online will be sooo high!

As if people didn't cry enough already when downtime is extended...

You want them to ***** about also missing out of some SP because the server were not up exactly when they are supposed to so they can log back in to get their 15% sp?

I keep many subscriptions active without time to play cause the skilling things, i love that i can up my SP like all with a full work and family activities. And anyway i don't want to up my SS or pay for another standard mmo.. will be very sad to unsubscribe after 5 years, but why continue to pay all that accounts if the game start to force me to log every day and want to be an 'another mmo'. I hope i won't be alone and money will force CCP to reconsidere that

Having active and passive SP worked in Dust. I'm sure CCP is looking at the engagement numbers from those daily mission systems there. Even on a dying console, Dust was able to retain a die hard userbase that according to Hilmar helped make the game profitable. Having played Dust, the daily system really helped some days to encourage a log in.

The "answer" to the whole thread should be "sorry, don't know what we were thinking, please forget we ever mentioned it". Your reply sounds precisely like "we're going to do it regardless so we're preparing soothing statements".

Very good idea.

We already have PVE aspect of the game, you have choice to skip them entirely and do what you want. Same goes to these SP opportunities you have the chance to skip them or doing them no one is forcing you.

This is like idiot saying no to PLEX special offers because you are now forcing him to take the deal...You don't want it, don't take it DEAL WITH IT!!

We already have PVE aspect of the game, you have choice to skip them entirely and do what you want. Same goes to these SP opportunities you have the chance to skip them or doing them no one is forcing you.

This is like idiot saying no to PLEX special offers because you are now forcing him to take the deal...You don't want it, don't take it DEAL WITH IT!!

you are being penalised for not shooting rats, plex offers is not the same thing