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Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.04.10 21:30:51 -
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There's also the thing players do in Recons in Faction Warfare. |
Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3853
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Posted - 2016.04.10 21:32:49 -
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A SNOO took me out into lowsec in nano Tristans and I warped to a complex to find a Rook. It was like landing on a tarantula. It was pretty great. |
Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3853
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Posted - 2016.04.10 21:33:37 -
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If belts become an incentive like this I have to say it's not a bad idea. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
1856
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Posted - 2016.04.10 21:41:03 -
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Sean Parisi wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Sean Parisi wrote:As someone with 130m sp I support this. I do believe that maybe the rewards could be banked over a 3 day period and some of the requirements could be modified to make the act of obtaining the SP more dangerous. But over all the ability to actually be rewarded for activity (which is apparently casual?) is not bad as long as it does not become main stay. It will encourage more interaction and allow new players to feel like their activity has slightly more value.
The only issue I really see with this is the compulsive need for min maxers to log on daily even when they do not want to. Otherwise I see no issue - it is just another incentive. In regards to the argument of "making sp out of nowhere" - well; whenever a skill injector is used it can possible destroy up 400k SP into thin air.
Most of the negativity with this seems to just be a twitch reaction of "ermg its a daily from WoW". But again just because someone plays logged in why should they be rewarded over someone who plays logged out. This is coming from someone who logged in 285 days last year (at least that's what my api says) Sure - but you get rewarded regardless for being logged out. You could also hypothetically run +5's for that entire period while skilling up. Where as me as an active player might not have that luxury as I would be at more total risk. So if I come into the game and actively contribute daily - as I currently do. Why not? You aren't losing anything. I don't want you to stop getting SP for being logged off - but what is wrong with providing a bit more acceleration for people who do actually engage in game? The great thing about this game is I can advance while logged off - but at the same time this is not a bad incentive. Forcing people out into the world will only lead to more interaction in one form or another. For example if you are a lowsec pirate? Well - you want your SP so you warp to a belt to get it. Now you are engaged in a fight with other players because they saw you warp there.
This idea that by being logged off I'm not interacting or participating is flawed.
I do not need to be logged in to have a meaningful impact on someone or for someone to have a meaningful impact on me.
And I do not get rewarded for not being logged in in fact I'm punished with a deduction of 10ksp and if I'm using +5i only gain 2k then you have the ppl that log in Kill the rat and log out still using +5s
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Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3853
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Posted - 2016.04.10 21:53:41 -
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would you find it more agreeable if it was 50 SP per NPC with a daily limit of 10k
That way your "deduction" would only realistically be realised by the most dedicated players who shoot 200 NPCs in one day. Perhaps you can then admit the problem is that you just won't undock for whatever reason? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
27313
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:00:17 -
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Sean Parisi wrote:I don't want you to stop getting SP for being logged off - but what is wrong with providing a bit more acceleration for people who do actually engage in game? Because it's not necessary. And in this particular case, mainly because the proposal does nothing of the kind GÇö quite the opposite.
Rain6639 wrote:would you find it more agreeable if it was 50 SP per NPC with a daily limit of 10k That would make it even worse since at that point, it's no longer just a fundamentally idiotic idea GÇö it's fundamentally idiotic idea connected to an even more idiotic grind. |
wizzard66
Evolution Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:00:54 -
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If you want people to be more active, then make EVE more attractive to play. |
Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3853
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:01:59 -
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Tippia seriously do you have a character that has engaged in PVP or PVE ever, it would help me take you seriously right now. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:03:47 -
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Rain6639 wrote:Tippia seriously do you have a character that has engaged in PVP or PVE ever, it would help me take you seriously right now. Then your lack of logic and reasoning has disqualified you from being a part of this conversation, and all your arguments from being ever remotely relevant to anything ever. |
Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3853
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:08:22 -
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I just disqualified your logic or reasoning forever pal |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:11:19 -
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Rain6639 wrote:I just disqualified your logic or reasoning forever pal Lol no. You see, you just outed yourself as having an entire world view that is wholly constructed on irrationality and fallacious thinking. What you do and do not take seriously is therefore about as relevant to this GÇö or indeed any GÇö topic as a duck's opinion on washing machines.
You are inherently incapable of disqualifying anything because you do lack the basic faculties to draw conclusions about or make rational judgements on the world around you. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:11:21 -
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Tippia wrote:Rain6639 wrote:Tippia seriously do you have a character that has engaged in PVP or PVE ever, it would help me take you seriously right now. Then your lack of logic and reasoning has disqualified you from being a part of this conversation, and all your arguments from being ever remotely relevant to anything ever.
Lol you can't really disqualify someone from discussing a topic even if some of their post are trolls
However your point about her idea making things worse is spot on and shows if she was not trolling them she does have a lack of understanding as to what is wrong with the idea
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
27317
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:12:58 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Lol you can't really disqualify someone from discussing a topic even if some of their post are trolls I can't, no. But they can certainly do it themselves, much like how he just did. |
Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3853
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:12:58 -
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It's an uncomfortable imperfect carrot, EVE tends to have those. |
beakerax
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:32:23 -
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Someone on the other thread described this as "carrot on a stick". I like that. Chase the carrot, or you get the stick. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
1856
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:34:31 -
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beakerax wrote:Someone on the other thread described this as "carrot on a stick". I like that. Chase the carrot, or you get the stick.
Lol I think it's more chase the carrot or get scraps
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Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3853
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:34:41 -
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actually it's chase the carrot or you get the no carrot.
I forego training implants in my PVP characters, same thing. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:45:02 -
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Rain6639 wrote:actually it's chase the carrot or you get the no carrot.
I forego training implants in my PVP characters, same thing.
But you can still actively engage in your playstyle and use the implants you just choose not to.
People will have to play the way ccp wants for them to get this sp
Not to mention many people already want to forgo training implants and attributes because there is extra risk with some styles of play compared to others with no extra gain
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Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3853
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:46:49 -
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wat |
Lugh Crow-Slave
1857
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Posted - 2016.04.10 22:51:33 -
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You can pvp with implants
You can't kill a rat without logging in
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Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3853
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Posted - 2016.04.10 23:02:13 -
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I can not pvp without logging in too
scratch that, what I should say is you've lost me, and I think anyone else too. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
1857
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Posted - 2016.04.10 23:04:19 -
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Rain6639 wrote:I can not pvp without logging in too
scratch that, what I should say is you've lost me, and I think anyone else too.
Implants are not the same as dailies
One forces a playstyles the other makes playstyles riskier
Also you most certainly can pvp without logging in
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Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3854
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Posted - 2016.04.10 23:07:18 -
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I'll just pretend my goal was to misconstrue the discussion and that I've succeeded. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.04.10 23:08:39 -
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Rain6639 wrote:I'll just pretend my goal was to misconstrue the discussion and that I've succeeded.
Lol not like it mattered to ccp in the first place there is no way they won't implement this
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Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3854
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Posted - 2016.04.10 23:13:39 -
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and it will be a whole new world.
I just want to share some basic advice going forward. CCP will do what they want. Assuming that is true, what's important as an individual player is making sure you get over the feelings and try to make best with how it changes things.
Just go with it. |
Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3854
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Posted - 2016.04.10 23:15:04 -
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also don't try to logic crazy people who have their own agenda. |
Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3854
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Posted - 2016.04.10 23:16:04 -
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I'm definitely not talking about CCP, just what makes for a happier life in general. |
Ravcharas
Infinite Point Violence of Action.
460
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Posted - 2016.04.10 23:16:59 -
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Rain6639 wrote:I'm definitely not talking about CCP, just what makes for a happier life in general. CCP should give you 10k sp to stop posting |
Lugh Crow-Slave
1859
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Posted - 2016.04.10 23:27:52 -
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Rain6639 wrote:and it will be a whole new world.
I just want to share some basic advice going forward. CCP will do what they want. Assuming that is true, what's important as an individual player is making sure you get over the feelings and try to make best with how it changes things.
Just go with it.
Know what I think I would feel much better if ccp did one of two things
A. Clearly explain how they belive yelling people how and how often to play their game fits what they feel eve is
Even if what they feel eve is is differant from what they felt in the past at least be upfront about it.
Or have the respect to tell us this really is nothing more than an attempt at raising numbers
Now I know I won't get this answer just because there is no way they can read post by post and see this but I suppose I'll try
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Kym Mena
World Burning
0
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Posted - 2016.04.10 23:43:28 -
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Rise, It seems that, by posting this terribad idea on your way out the door on a Friday, this was more of a heads up of something will happen rather than something that you are thinking about implementing. The vast majority of this thread is speaking out against this idea and its ilk, something you must have suspected would happen, and I can't help but wonder why something that seems to have come down from on-high (i.e. the bean counters trying to impress EA with false metrics) was posted in a "Feedback Center". What I would like to know, foremost, is whether this is an idea being hashed out or a fiasco that is going to be rammed down our throats whether it's good for the sandbox or not. (Hint: It's not.)
Eve is a sandbox, it is advertised as a sandbox and we like it as a sandbox. This idea is of a kind that will start to build a path into our sandbox and has the potential to turn Eve into the kind of game that leaves me looking for a new game, the kind of game that Eve used to be back when the game mattered more than the business. This is not a threat to unsub, but these are my thoughts on what I believe the outcome of this idea could be if it is not reined in quickly.
If this idea is truly an attempt to make new players feel like they aren't so far behind, hide an amount of SP behind the Opportunities and let them explore and learn the game while they earn bonus SP and find their way in the sandbox. Whether you let established accounts access that SP is up for discussion.
I hope you see that the players do not want this, as we value the sandbox, and I hope you can make that point to those behind this idea who, I believe, didn't have the intestinal fortitude to present it themselves and instead made a poor attempt at disguising it as a feature rather than a gimmick to make themselves look better.
While, as I mentioned, I am not threatening to unsub (not so long as Eve is still a sandbox) I am telling you that I will not be participating in this gimmick with any of my characters, "free" SP be damned.
(Remember, the code word is "orthodox") |
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