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Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3854
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Posted - 2016.04.11 00:16:33 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Rain6639 wrote:and it will be a whole new world.
I just want to share some basic advice going forward. CCP will do what they want. Assuming that is true, what's important as an individual player is making sure you get over the feelings and try to make best with how it changes things.
Just go with it. Know what I think I would feel much better if ccp did one of two things A. Clearly explain how they belive yelling people how and how often to play their game fits what they feel eve is Even if what they feel eve is is differant from what they felt in the past at least be upfront about it. Or have the respect to tell us this really is nothing more than an attempt at raising numbers Now I know I won't get this answer just because there is no way they can read post by post and see this but I suppose I'll try Their ability to give levelheaded explanations about the motivations behind changes left with Soundwave |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.04.11 00:43:21 -
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Rain6639 wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Rain6639 wrote:and it will be a whole new world.
I just want to share some basic advice going forward. CCP will do what they want. Assuming that is true, what's important as an individual player is making sure you get over the feelings and try to make best with how it changes things.
Just go with it. Know what I think I would feel much better if ccp did one of two things A. Clearly explain how they belive yelling people how and how often to play their game fits what they feel eve is Even if what they feel eve is is differant from what they felt in the past at least be upfront about it. Or have the respect to tell us this really is nothing more than an attempt at raising numbers Now I know I won't get this answer just because there is no way they can read post by post and see this but I suppose I'll try Their ability to give levelheaded explanations about the motivations behind changes left with Soundwave
falcons pretty good about it to.. though i havent seen anything from him is he gone too?
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Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3854
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Posted - 2016.04.11 00:52:25 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: falcons pretty good about it to.. though i havent seen anything from him is he gone too?
As far as I know Falcon is still kicking. He's okay and he has that older brother type of thing going on but he's still not how Soundwave used to be, very forthcoming especially in person. |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2016.04.11 00:53:37 -
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I've got an alternative way to put "free" SP in the mix which won't turn it into a daily grind: With every skillbook comes enough SP to train it to level 2. It will be one-time and a lot more newbie-friendly, and won't be enough to be worth farming.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.04.11 00:58:36 -
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Rain6639 wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: falcons pretty good about it to.. though i havent seen anything from him is he gone too?
As far as I know Falcon is still kicking. He's okay and he has that older brother type of thing going on but he's still not how Soundwave used to be, very forthcoming especially in person.
oh certainly not as good as soundwave but there is a chance with his still there to get a clear answer
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Kovl
Jita Flipping Inc.
10
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Posted - 2016.04.11 01:07:26 -
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Dailies Dailies Dailies Dailies
Dailies Dailies Dailies Dailies
For those still wondering why it's bad. And 1 mob (erm 1 rat) is only the beginning.
Don't do this **** in this game please, no matter what "rewards" get applied (though we all know very well why SP was chosen).
Many people (especially new people for which SP is paramount and injectors are ISK-wise out of reach (whales aside) /and/ coming from other themepark games where daily is literally religion) /will/ be doing this **** around the clock, and repetivity will quicly make them hate it (and in turn EvE). |
Zoltan Cole
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
3
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Posted - 2016.04.11 01:13:18 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Zoltan Cole wrote:Yet, the net whole is more players online. That's neat -- the game progression being mostly offline is an absolutely awful design for an MMO SP Progression happens offline, yet game progression certainly happens online (or at least online in the meta sense). Eve progression is a hard concept to grasp for most newbies, progression depends solely upon what goal you set yourself and not grinding towards some arbitrary level cap. Progression for the majority of demographics is bigger and better stuff. If it seems so interesting, look it up; but trying to claim, in a situation where SP is patched in every other expansion, that there's no problem is just baseless. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.04.11 01:21:37 -
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Zoltan Cole wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Zoltan Cole wrote:Yet, the net whole is more players online. That's neat -- the game progression being mostly offline is an absolutely awful design for an MMO SP Progression happens offline, yet game progression certainly happens online (or at least online in the meta sense). Eve progression is a hard concept to grasp for most newbies, progression depends solely upon what goal you set yourself and not grinding towards some arbitrary level cap. Progression for the majority of demographics is bigger and better stuff. If it seems so interesting, look it up; but trying to claim, in a situation where SP is patched in every other expansion, that there's no problem is just baseless. \what?
not 100% sure what you said but progression is just moving forward with a goal
the idea that its something bigger and better is a little juvenile
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Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3854
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Posted - 2016.04.11 01:27:42 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Rain6639 wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: falcons pretty good about it to.. though i havent seen anything from him is he gone too?
As far as I know Falcon is still kicking. He's okay and he has that older brother type of thing going on but he's still not how Soundwave used to be, very forthcoming especially in person. oh certainly not as good as soundwave but there is a chance with his still there to get a clear answer watch fanfest and eve vegas presentations by both devs consecutively and tell me what you think |
Zoltan Cole
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
3
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Posted - 2016.04.11 01:30:20 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Zoltan Cole wrote:Moac Tor wrote:SP Progression happens offline, yet game progression certainly happens online (or at least online in the meta sense). Eve progression is a hard concept to grasp for most newbies, progression depends solely upon what goal you set yourself and not grinding towards some arbitrary level cap. Progression for the majority of demographics is bigger and better stuff. If it seems so interesting, look it up; but trying to claim, in a situation where SP is patched in every other expansion, that there's no problem is just baseless. \what? not 100% sure what you said but progression is just moving forward with a goal the idea that its something bigger and better is a little juvenile It's only "bigger and better" because that's how the game generally sets up progression rewards. Bigger ships are more effective at making ISK, and ordinarily at engaging multiple targets (because there's more of a chance they're smaller and weaker).
If that's juvenile, then so is this game.
The point is to experience the whole game..
Tippia wrote:Sean Parisi wrote:I don't want you to stop getting SP for being logged off - but what is wrong with providing a bit more acceleration for people who do actually engage in game? Because it's not necessary. And in this particular case, mainly because the proposal does nothing of the kind GÇö quite the opposite. How is it not necessary? Why else would they add it.. As stated, with all the SP patching, there is a problem for keeping fresh characters subbed, clearly. |
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.04.11 01:33:49 -
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Zoltan Cole wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Zoltan Cole wrote:Moac Tor wrote:SP Progression happens offline, yet game progression certainly happens online (or at least online in the meta sense). Eve progression is a hard concept to grasp for most newbies, progression depends solely upon what goal you set yourself and not grinding towards some arbitrary level cap. Progression for the majority of demographics is bigger and better stuff. If it seems so interesting, look it up; but trying to claim, in a situation where SP is patched in every other expansion, that there's no problem is just baseless. \what? not 100% sure what you said but progression is just moving forward with a goal the idea that its something bigger and better is a little juvenile It's only "bigger and better" because that's how the game generally sets up progression rewards. Bigger ships are more effective at making ISK, and ordinarily at engaging multiple targets (because there's more of a chance they're smaller and weaker). If that's juvenile, then so is this game. The point is to experience the whole game..
bigger ships are generally worse when it comes to pvp and a titan sure as hell is not the best thing at making isk
in eve bigger is not better
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
757
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Posted - 2016.04.11 01:34:09 -
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Aka CCP looked at f2p games and their strategies to get people to log in. A free 5 hrs of sp just for logging in one a day and killing an npc? Sure. Easy done.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Zoltan Cole
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
3
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Posted - 2016.04.11 01:42:24 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Zoltan Cole wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Zoltan Cole wrote:Moac Tor wrote:SP Progression happens offline, yet game progression certainly happens online (or at least online in the meta sense). Eve progression is a hard concept to grasp for most newbies, progression depends solely upon what goal you set yourself and not grinding towards some arbitrary level cap. Progression for the majority of demographics is bigger and better stuff. If it seems so interesting, look it up; but trying to claim, in a situation where SP is patched in every other expansion, that there's no problem is just baseless. \what? not 100% sure what you said but progression is just moving forward with a goal the idea that its something bigger and better is a little juvenile It's only "bigger and better" because that's how the game generally sets up progression rewards. Bigger ships are more effective at making ISK, and ordinarily at engaging multiple targets (because there's more of a chance they're smaller and weaker). If that's juvenile, then so is this game. The point is to experience the whole game.. bigger ships are generally worse when it comes to pvp and a titan sure as hell is not the best thing at making isk in eve bigger is not better also what do you mean they keep patching sp? they added in a cash grab and about a year ago altered starting sp that's it this has nothing to do with an SP balance issue and most of us aren't even upset over the sp part this is just a poorly vailed attempt to manipulate players into logging on and increasing their log in numbers A vague claim and a single example in no manner mitigates the whole trend. Larger (and more expensive) ships trend toward making more ISK, and no, flown properly, larger ships are not generally worse at PvP. That's because the meta has settled at T2s and T3s, so they're required to stay on field.
Increased starter SP. SP trading. SP for ratting.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.04.11 01:57:45 -
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bigger ships are not better they are different
the reason cruisers tend to be flown more is because they are more versatile being able to handle both large and small ships along with not being too slow when roaming. the lack of speed and versatility is what makes larger ships less common in pvp
and blops titans dreads along with several t1 battle ships are not better at making isk than ships smaller and cheaper than them
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2016.04.11 02:32:40 -
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Zoltan Cole wrote:How is it not necessary? Because engaging in the game has all kinds of rewards as it is. On top of that, adding skill progression to that list has already proven to create very perverse incentives that objectively make the game worse. We know this because it has already been attempted, with predictable results.
Quote:Why else would they add it. Because it artificially inflates one of their key metrics for success without them actually making any of the changes that would improve that metric by being successful. They're trying to bribe their way to success rather than do any actual work.
Quote:If that's juvenile, then so is this game. Bigger is not better in this game. |
Wulfi Ozan
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
0
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Posted - 2016.04.11 02:44:55 -
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can we please stop trying to make the game easier.... your aready walking a fine line with the skill injectors and have a good SP sink there but please dont make us like wow for god sake NO!....
skill injectors in on the edge but okay because its still some guy training the skillpoints you are injecting but ny adding skillpoints out of the blue its just getting infladed.
Better idea get people to finnish all the tutorials and give them a reward for that if you need to help new players.
the reason it goes south for some mmo is because they make it too easy and people loose interest |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
591
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Posted - 2016.04.11 03:11:58 -
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This really needs to be expanded to all forms of professions, and not be restricted to warping to a belt, killing a rat and logging off. All of the other choices should be just as easy as shooting a belt rat.
A few examples... -Scanning any signature to 100% -Put 1,000,000 isk worth of stuff on the market -Completing a cycle on a mining laser -Completing any mission -Start or complete, research or production on a blueprint etc
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
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Mara Tessidar
Hole Violence Goonswarm Federation
1170
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Posted - 2016.04.11 03:16:48 -
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What a dumb mechanic. I play Eve to get away from grindy bullshit. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
1870
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Posted - 2016.04.11 03:24:42 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote:This really needs to be expanded to all forms of professions, and not be restricted to warping to a belt, killing a rat and logging off. All of the other choices should be just as easy as shooting a belt rat.
A few examples... -Scanning any signature to 100% -Put 1,000,000 isk worth of stuff on the market -Completing a cycle on a mining laser -Completing any mission -Start or complete, research or production on a blueprint etc
no this really needs to not be implemented as there is no way to cover every play style in a balanced way
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Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3854
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Posted - 2016.04.11 03:28:07 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Hopelesshobo wrote:This really needs to be expanded to all forms of professions, and not be restricted to warping to a belt, killing a rat and logging off. All of the other choices should be just as easy as shooting a belt rat.
A few examples... -Scanning any signature to 100% -Put 1,000,000 isk worth of stuff on the market -Completing a cycle on a mining laser -Completing any mission -Start or complete, research or production on a blueprint etc no this really needs to not be implemented as there is no way to cover every play style in a balanced way I kind of thought it was a good point, perhaps the daily bonus could cycle between different tasks. |
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Lugh Crow-Slave
1870
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Posted - 2016.04.11 03:34:35 -
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Rain6639 wrote: I kind of thought it was a good point, perhaps the daily bonus could cycle between different tasks.
lol so not only does everyone now have to grind but now everyone needs to grind crap they have 0 interest in?
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17544
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Posted - 2016.04.11 04:20:11 -
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Big Lynx wrote:People who are moaning that they "have to" log in everyday to compete with others in this questionable skillpoint-race should immediatly switch of their computers, go out and in a silent moment start to address a question to themselves: "Do I really want to let a pc game control my every day life?" (indepentently from the question how CCP will assemble this mechanic)
We do turn off our computers and go outside, hence the issues with punishing people who don't play every day. Training SP has always been an equal playing field between people who play all day every day and people who can only play every so often, this free SP for logging in every day flies in the face of one of the big selling points of EVE. |
Rain6639
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3854
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Posted - 2016.04.11 04:28:38 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Rain6639 wrote: I kind of thought it was a good point, perhaps the daily bonus could cycle between different tasks.
lol so not only does everyone now have to grind but now everyone needs to grind crap they have 0 interest in? you don't have to do anything. It's not your primary source of SP, it's an incentive. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17545
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Posted - 2016.04.11 04:50:24 -
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Rain6639 wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Rain6639 wrote: I kind of thought it was a good point, perhaps the daily bonus could cycle between different tasks.
lol so not only does everyone now have to grind but now everyone needs to grind crap they have 0 interest in? you don't have to do anything. It's not your primary source of SP, it's an incentive.
It's a punishment for not playing. |
Masao Kurata
Many Much Mechanics
473
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Posted - 2016.04.11 05:06:06 -
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baltec1 wrote:It's a punishment for not playing.
I think you mean not playing or not playing the way CCP decides you should. Hell, even people who spend most of their time doing metagaming without undocking can be valuable players.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33492
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Posted - 2016.04.11 05:38:32 -
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Better yet, make the activity randomized instead of uniform for everyone each day.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2341
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Posted - 2016.04.11 06:02:31 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rain6639 wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Rain6639 wrote: I kind of thought it was a good point, perhaps the daily bonus could cycle between different tasks.
lol so not only does everyone now have to grind but now everyone needs to grind crap they have 0 interest in? you don't have to do anything. It's not your primary source of SP, it's an incentive. It's a punishment for not playing.
punishment is listening to the same old tired punishment argument
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2016.04.11 06:04:13 -
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Everyone's fixated on the 10k SP for shooting a rat-numbers, the tedium of a stupid daily. This is one of the things they would have to do to make F2P EVE. If they add more do-this-for-SP tasks, it will become a functional alternative to queueing up skills.
The next logical steps are ye olde XP "boosters" and making subscription optional.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5775
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Posted - 2016.04.11 06:42:43 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:please count highsec miners as npcs as there are no meaningful differences between the two
The NPCs have better AI.
On a serious note: This is a BAD idea.
Like daily quests in WOW, It's a big 'get f***ed' to players that work and can't log in every day.
It's one thing if there is a clear limit. "This bonus is available 50 times per character ever". Then you'll get the benefits over time - in 50 days if you log on frequently, over six months if you do not.
It's totally different if it is without limit and just becomes a morning chore. Log in, undock the interceptor, warp to a belt, kill one rat, dock up, log to alt, repeat.
"Want to come on a PVP fleet?"
"Sorry can't, got to take the 6 alts out to kill a rat each"
This bad idea belongs in the dustbin.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Lugh Crow-Slave
1871
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Posted - 2016.04.11 06:47:27 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:Everyone's fixated on the 10k SP for shooting a rat-numbers, the tedium of a stupid daily. This is one of the things they would have to do to make F2P EVE. If they add more do-this-for-SP tasks, it will become a functional alternative to queueing up skills.
The next logical steps are ye olde XP "boosters" and making subscription optional.
... we don't want a f2p eve
f2p is what happens to a subscription mmo on its last legs
and the one rat for 10ksp is not what we are stuck on
what we are stuck on is ccp telling us how to play
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