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Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2636	Posted - 2016.04.09 07:59:39 - [511] - Quote Oxide Ammar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Oxide Ammar wrote: We already have PVE aspect of the game, you have choice to skip them entirely and do what you want. Same goes to these SP opportunities you have the chance to skip them or doing them no one is forcing you. This is like idiot saying no to PLEX special offers because you are now forcing him to take the deal...You don't want it, don't take it DEAL WITH IT!! you are being penalised for not shooting rats, plex offers is not the same thing Not buying injectors from the market is penalizing you. I don't see people whining about. You didn't see people whining about injectors? Have you been living in a cave? Injectors are available to everyone regardless of the activity, shooting rats for SP penalises the people who do activities which don't involve rats who also log in daily, pvpers, traders, industrialists etc Creating little PVE events like they have been doing is a better way to offer incentives they can easily make them better this just seems like a lazy Friday night idea FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Neadayan Drakhon Heuristic Industrial And Development AddictClan 123	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:16:31 - [512] - Quote Tyrant Scorn wrote: Avatharian wrote: All I have to say on the matter. This one is better... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eal4fep7pK4&nohtml5=False Can we tie CCP Rise to his desk chair and make him watch that vid on loop?
Quadira Zacharia Explorations Group Arx Alliance 20	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:16:48 - [513] - Quote EVE is a sandbox, no dailies please!
Zakarumit CZ Zakarum Industries Exiliar Syndicate 189	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:16:53 - [514] - Quote This sounds like a bad idea. Giving people SP for logging in? Bad. Giving SP for logging in AND killing an NPC? Really bad.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17626	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:17:45 - [515] - Quote Seriously Rise, was this Z-tier skinner box bullshit really the best you could come up with? I know for a fact you're better than this. Either you need a holiday, badly, or someone is making you do this. Use the worth "orthodoxy" in your next post if you're being forced to do this against your will, and we will get you out mate. We will get you to safety where they can't hurt you any more. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Oxide Ammar 251	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:17:57 - [516] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Oxide Ammar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Oxide Ammar wrote: We already have PVE aspect of the game, you have choice to skip them entirely and do what you want. Same goes to these SP opportunities you have the chance to skip them or doing them no one is forcing you. This is like idiot saying no to PLEX special offers because you are now forcing him to take the deal...You don't want it, don't take it DEAL WITH IT!! you are being penalised for not shooting rats, plex offers is not the same thing Not buying injectors from the market is penalizing you. I don't see people whining about. You didn't see people whining about injectors? Have you been living in a cave? The end result is CCP did what the intended to do, I didn't see people rage quitting ....I didn't see sky is falling... But when CCP introduce a free way to gain SP, the ** posts roll start over again. You have the free well to skip any aspect of this game, consider this also as one of these aspects. I can dig you ** ton of threads from 3-4 years back asking SP for Plex/ISK or threads asking SP for mission rewards and show you the replies veteran forum warriors. I bet half of them already quit the game for different reasons and the rest are buying Injectors from the market. Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
Globscho Thorson Herrscher der Zeit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:18:22 - [517] - Quote I really dislike the idea of giving away SP. It goes against the core mechanic of this game and this is never a good idea. What would be totally legit would be giving away LP for a new store where you can get Skins and stuff like this. Also maybe expend the range of activitys give this new LP for your first activity like first market order, first production and so on. In a sandbox game there should not be a benefit for a single playstile.
Neadayan Drakhon Heuristic Industrial And Development AddictClan 123	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:20:12 - [518] - Quote Eden Halenheit wrote: Actually, we had dailies in eve for years now. Ever dealt with research agents? True, but the reward for doing research agent dailies is minimal, and I imagine many people don't have any research agents running, or even know what they are. That said, I think it's been about 5 months since I've visited my research agents. 4 L4 Research agents with about 21k RP each according to my journal
Neadayan Drakhon Heuristic Industrial And Development AddictClan 123	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:21:18 - [519] - Quote Oxide Ammar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Oxide Ammar wrote: We already have PVE aspect of the game, you have choice to skip them entirely and do what you want. Same goes to these SP opportunities you have the chance to skip them or doing them no one is forcing you. This is like idiot saying no to PLEX special offers because you are now forcing him to take the deal...You don't want it, don't take it DEAL WITH IT!! you are being penalised for not shooting rats, plex offers is not the same thing Not buying injectors from the market is penalizing you. I don't see people whining about. skill trading shouldn't exist, and neither should SP dailies
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders 4356	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:23:12 - [520] - Quote So, let me get this straight. People who log in everyday all 3 alts, for 5 minutes, to shoot 1 NPC get +900k SP a month. Roughly a +50% boost. This is a great idea, because: [ ] Mindless robots make great players [ ] Shooting 1 NPC a day is so much fun, it's the core of what makes EVE such a great game [ ] Killing that 1 red cross will teach you so much about the game [ ] You'll surely meet and engage with lots of wonderful people in those 5 minutes in some random highsec belt [ ] Daily chores will help you be more creative and contribute to the sandbox in many new, exciting ways [ ] ... [X] None of the above and that's why this idea is actually horseshit Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Ruby Gnollo 4	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:24:09 - [521] - Quote Gerhard Stringfellow wrote: I agree. This is basically introducing grinding to EvE. I understand you can call this grinding, even if it can be done in 5mns/day, which is far less than whatever you'll find anywhere else. But look at the alternative : dozen of alts not bringing a cent to the game belonging to the richest players of Eve. This is really Eve : one of the most toxic player base you can find in the entire industry hiding being glorified countless alts & unsub accounts. And what are you asking for ? Leaving it this way. When Eve had no equivalent anywhere, things could have last the way they did during the last decade, with elder ones playing for free preying for fun on evercoming fresh young blood. I'm really happy CCP is just only beginning to understand this has to change, provided what's important is to give New Eden a future and not only a shell where to hide for the one of the worst players base on Earth.
Bertral Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation 16	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:30:26 - [522] - Quote Ask yourself this : What does it bring to the game ? How does this contribute to the sandbox ? It only kills one of the main selling points of EVE ("you don't have to grind for xp"), and it's the polar opposite of sandbox gameplay ("login, do this even if you don't want to, get reward, log out"). You can't announce something that's so controversial and not explain the reasoning behind it nor your long term view.
Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1047	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:33:10 - [523] - Quote Ruby Gnollo wrote: Gerhard Stringfellow wrote: I agree. This is basically introducing grinding to EvE. I understand you can call this grinding, even if it can be done in 5mns/day, which is far less than whatever you'll find anywhere else. But look at the alternative : dozen of alts not bringing a cent to the game belonging to the richest players of Eve. This is really Eve : one of the most toxic player base you can find in the entire industry hiding being glorified countless alts & unsub accounts. And what are you asking for ? Leaving it this way. When Eve had no equivalent anywhere, things could have last the way they did during the last decade, with elder ones playing for free preying for fun on evercoming fresh young blood. I'm really happy CCP is just only beginning to understand this has to change, provided what's important is to give New Eden a future and not only a shell where to hide for the one of the worst players base on Earth. If you think this is one of the most toxic communities for online gaming I think you need to spend some time on other MMO's games, or just their forums. B4R would be laughed at and trolled in most other MMO communities I have played in. EVE is full of griefers and trolls but for the most part everyone in this community will put that aside the moment someone in RL needs something. Lieutenant Turelus - Caldari Independent Navy Reserve - The Fourth District
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2636	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:33:41 - [524] - Quote Oxide Ammar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Oxide Ammar wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Oxide Ammar wrote: We already have PVE aspect of the game, you have choice to skip them entirely and do what you want. Same goes to these SP opportunities you have the chance to skip them or doing them no one is forcing you. This is like idiot saying no to PLEX special offers because you are now forcing him to take the deal...You don't want it, don't take it DEAL WITH IT!! you are being penalised for not shooting rats, plex offers is not the same thing Not buying injectors from the market is penalizing you. I don't see people whining about. You didn't see people whining about injectors? Have you been living in a cave? The end result is CCP did what the intended to do, I didn't see people rage quitting ....I didn't see sky is falling... But when CCP introduce a free way to gain SP, the ** posts roll start over again. You have the free well to skip any aspect of this game, consider this also as one of these aspects. I can dig you ton of threads from 3-4 years back asking SP for Plex/ISK or threads asking SP for mission rewards and show you the replies veteran forum warriors. I bet half of them already quit the game for different reasons and the rest are buying Injectors from the market. Yes we have free will to skip any aspect of the game but shooting npc's for SP is penalising the people who don't care to do that, you don't really understand what I'm saying, it's a mechanic which is encouraging people to do a particular activity and if they are not doing that activity then they are being penalised even though they login daily. Everyone can buy injectors by doing any activity they choose but the SP also wasn't just conjured from thin air, it was already trained , being rewarded for shooting rats while not being rewarded for shooting players, or jumping gates isn't really fair on other parties, this hasn't had much thought and seems like a terrible market research operation to generate nice numbers, it doesn't create any content or interaction it's just a bad grind model which implies more bad grind models to follow. FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy -** Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2374	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:36:54 - [525] - Quote Amarisen Gream wrote: OKAY! First - This needs to be account based. Second - SP isn't the best, but also isn't the worst. Third - there needs to be a pool that the activity can stack up (say 5 max) so people who can't always log on can still have time to get the rewards. Everything this program does, needs to be focused on getting players out of stations and interacting with each other. if that means PVP or PVE, that doesn't matter, but it needs to get people out and mingling. This won't work, because this would miss the obvious purpose of this feature ... forcing enough players to login daily at the same time to inflate the PCU to reach the company goals. I'm my own NPC alt.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17626	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:39:09 - [526] - Quote Ruby Gnollo wrote: Gerhard Stringfellow wrote: I agree. This is basically introducing grinding to EvE. I understand you can call this grinding, even if it can be done in 5mns/day, which is far less than whatever you'll find anywhere else. But look at the alternative : dozen of alts not bringing a cent to the game belonging to the richest players of Eve. How are these alternative outcomes? "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17626	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:40:32 - [527] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: Amarisen Gream wrote: OKAY! First - This needs to be account based. Second - SP isn't the best, but also isn't the worst. Third - there needs to be a pool that the activity can stack up (say 5 max) so people who can't always log on can still have time to get the rewards. Everything this program does, needs to be focused on getting players out of stations and interacting with each other. if that means PVP or PVE, that doesn't matter, but it needs to get people out and mingling. This won't work, because this would miss the obvious purpose of this feature ... forcing enough players to login daily at the same time to inflate the PCU to reach the company goals. If CCP want players to log in more and shoot NPCs, then making the experience of shooting NPCs fun, challenging and dynamic would be aan infinitely better solution than simply bribing us to. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Drago Shouna Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:45:05 - [528] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: and what about the people who arent interested in pve? Players who have no interest in pvp get it forced on them on a daily basis Why should you be different? You better go dust off that Civilian Miner
Zerzzes Markarian Andraste. 2	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:45:15 - [529] - Quote Sorry but this is a terrible idea. I would be ok to give skillpoints for the opportunities, because this system is useless so far. Or limit it to new players. One of they great advandtages of EVE is that you don't have to login everyday to grind stuff. Instead you login to have fun. Making it per character is even worse, because it's really not fun to cycle through all characters just to shoot one rat. This way, the game will become a burden, because you will have everday when you don't login you will have a bad feeling. Apart from that, loging in once per day in a cyno alt, to kill a single rat in a belt, doesn't really add conrent. Also 10k is way way too much. That is 900k a month for one account with 3 characters. Thats not too far from what you get with a second skill queue which cost one PLEX.
Zepheros Naeonis TinklePee 77	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:46:50 - [530] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Lol, dailies in EVE. It's so terrible, it's brilliant. Couldn't have said it better.

Johan Civire Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1093	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:47:47 - [531] - Quote People calm the f*ck down... Jesus.... You can say what ever you like. The will add this. No matter what we are saying. The ignore it because why not? The doing want the want and or feedback is just to collect data what the are going to lose nothing more! The already do that with so many change now. The game is bleeding to dead. Yah we know ccp. But come on you can do better than daily`s? How about making real "content" than actual forcing to players to keep playing in a game? There is a reason to we are eve online and not world of warcraft or any other casual arcade mmorpg auto clicker game! Grinding sp points well that was a great idea BEFORE you RELEASE SP INJECTORS.... Now its just useless and waste of time if you can spend 10 bucks for sp.......... If the release this i`m out for good yah not because i`m angry no because i`m disappoint in ccp of yet another bad idea. This is not the first time and not the last time to say the least! Eve online statics see here http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility. Yah the are bombardment the website so the website can not load here and there.
Gray Hinken Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:47:47 - [532] - Quote No. Just no. Daily mob-based quest with additional XP bonus. Zero creativity.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2636	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:53:03 - [533] - Quote Drago Shouna wrote: Lan Wang wrote: and what about the people who arent interested in pve? Players who have no interest in pvp get it forced on them on a daily basis Why should you be different? You better go dust off that Civilian Miner No they don't, it's easily avoided and is avoided by many players without any penalties, people don't get an SP reward for shooting anot her player so why should a PVE er get SP for shooting a rat? I'm not just talking about pvpers here I'm also talking about miners, traders, haulers, industrialists Wouldn't be surprised if they advance this to a f2p model soon FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Shallanna Yassavi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 120	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:53:17 - [534] - Quote Johan Civire wrote: People calm the f*ck down... Jesus.... You can say what ever you like. The will add this. No matter what we are saying. The ignore it because why not? The doing want the want and or feedback is just to collect data what the are going to lose nothing more! The already do that with so many change now. The game is bleeding to dead. Yah we know ccp. But come on you can do better than daily`s? How about making real "content" than actual forcing to players to keep playing in a game? There is a reason to we are eve online and not world of warcraft or any other casual arcade mmorpg auto clicker game! Grinding sp points well that was a great idea BEFORE you RELEASE SP INJECTORS.... Now its just useless and waste of time if you can spend 10 bucks for sp.......... If the release this i`m out for good yah not because i`m angry no because i`m disappoint in ccp of yet another bad idea. This is not the first time and not the last time to say the least! Eve online statics see here http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility. Yah the are bombardment the website so the website can not load here and there. That's the essence of P2W right there. They make you do something silly and grindy, or you can just buy the thing from the cash shop instead to do the same thing. 600ish million ISK (so, about 0.6 plex), 400k SP-or, 40 days of this silliness. A signature :o
Praal Bearded BattleBears I N F A M O U S 52	Posted - 2016.04.09 08:59:29 - [535] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: shooting npc's for SP is penalising the people who don't care to do that, you don't really understand what I'm saying, it's a mechanic which is encouraging people to do a particular activity and if they are not doing that activity then they are being penalised even though they login daily. I expect that this is a first step and as they develop it they will add options for other activities. Also, a vast number of other activities give you the opportunity to shoot a npc somewhere. Jumping gates (in null)? Shoot a NPC on the gate. Doing missions? Already done. Doing FW? Already done. Mining? Already done. Incursions? Already done. Ratting/WH escalating? Already done. PvPing? In null? Shoot a NPC as you pass a gate. In FW? Shoot a NPC in a plex. Hot dropping? Shoot a npc in the anom you dropped in. Lan Wang wrote: the SP also wasn't just conjured from thin air, it was already trained This is an illusion. As soon as demand goes up and raises the price to above the PLEX price to produce there is essentially an unlimited amount of alts that can be PLEXd and/or dual-trained to generate SP. Lan Wang wrote: it doesn't create any content or interaction People logging in brings the game to their mind and exposes them to what is going on (via chat, patch notes, evemail from their corp, etc). If even 5 in 100 players who log in to do their daily SPs gets distracted into also doing some other game activity that can still cause 100s to 1000s of players to be more active in the game. Lan Wang wrote: it's just a bad grind model which implies more bad grind models to follow. The grind model was added with injectors. This just opens it up more to poorer/newer players instead of keeping it the realm of veteran / rich players.
David Kir Limited Power Inc Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle 488	Posted - 2016.04.09 09:06:33 - [536] - Quote Yall people need to get out of your 1337 POS and stop circlejerking over how different and edgy EVE is. This changes NOTHING. And if it helps one more newbro stick with the game, why the hell not. Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.
beakerax Pator Tech School 253	Posted - 2016.04.09 09:09:37 - [537] - Quote Praal wrote: The grind model was added with injectors. This just opens it up more to poorer/newer players instead of keeping it the realm of veteran / rich players. remember back when skill injectors were intended for newer players
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 17543	Posted - 2016.04.09 09:10:13 - [538] - Quote EVE has always been about an equal playing field in terms of SP progression which is one of the reasons I play this game over any other MMO out there. This opens the door to grinding for your SP which frankly isn't fun or challenging and goes against one of the core selling points of EVE.
Dave Stark 7923	Posted - 2016.04.09 09:16:54 - [539] - Quote baltec1 wrote: EVE has always been about an equal playing field in terms of SP progression which is one of the reasons I play this game over any other MMO out there. This opens the door to grinding for your SP which frankly isn't fun or challenging and goes against one of the core selling points of EVE. to be fair, grinding for SP door was flung open when the character bazaar opened up. however, this idea is bad for other reasons. with the char bazaar, and skill injectors you can do that at your own pace. you can do it to suit you. you're not losing out for doing it on a schedule/time scale that suits you. this proposal, however, is simply a flat out punishment for those who don't log in every day. it's not an incentive to play, it's a punishment for having a life outside of eve.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders 4356	Posted - 2016.04.09 09:18:38 - [540] - Quote Praal wrote: People logging in brings the game to their mind and exposes them to what is going on (via chat, patch notes, evemail from their corp, etc). If even 5 in 100 players who log in to do their daily SPs gets distracted into also doing some other game activity that can still cause 100s to 1000s of players to be more active in the game. Looking at it from a purely PVE point of view, CCP's basically saying: 'If you log on for 5 minutes to kill a rat, you get 10k SP x3, worth on average 50 mil ISK. If you stay logged on, you can make another 50mil ISK in anywhere from, say 20-30 mins to an hour+ depending on what you do.' That's definitely an incentive to stay logged in for more than 5 minutes, isn't it? Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!



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