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Kharadran Sullath Caldari The Fallen Gingerbread Men Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.03 20:54:00 - [1081] Originally by: Liranan Edited by: Liranan on 03/05/2008 15:18:48 Originally by: Sakura Nihil Originally by: Liranan Ambulation? DO NOT WANT! DO NOT WANT!! You want ambulation? Go play a MMORPG and stop playing EvE. Um, EVE is an MMORPG . Next. Definition of MMORPG is Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. EVE is a MMO not a RPG. RPG in EVE is CVA. I don't see BoB and Goons Roleplaying unless it's with Dreads, Titans and conquered space. If that's what you mean you are utterly right. So quoting you "Next" indeed. Yes, because every other player in WoW roleplays. EVE's features suffice to define it as an rpg. If WoW is it, so is most definately EVE. Next was it?
Cpt 0bvious Minmatar Nympho Space Badgers	Posted - 2008.05.03 21:31:00 - [1082] I dont like the idea. In my opinion, this game does not need some sort of habbo hotels inside stations :/
Liranan	Posted - 2008.05.03 22:59:00 - [1083] Edited by: Liranan on 03/05/2008 23:04:01 Edited by: Liranan on 03/05/2008 22:59:33 Originally by: Kharadran Sullath Yes, because every other player in WoW roleplays. EVE's features suffice to define it as an rpg. If WoW is it, so is most definately EVE. Next was it? MMOG Dev Panel at NY Comic-Con: Q&A Part 1 MMOG Dev Panel at NY Comic-Con: Q&A Part 2 Man you are so right, CCP are really branding EVE as a MMOrpG, just without the R and the P. The reason why this game NEEDS the following thread is because it's obviously a Role Playing game right? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=670912 NEXT successful attempt at failing to prove this is a Role Playing Game. I do like Role Playing my Hulk by the way
B0rn2KiLL DEATHFUNK R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.04 00:18:00 - [1084] Originally by: Liranan Edited by: Liranan on 03/05/2008 23:19:32 Originally by: Kharadran Sullath Yes, because every other player in WoW roleplays. EVE's features suffice to define it as an rpg. If WoW is it, so is most definately EVE. Next was it? MMOG Dev Panel at NY Comic-Con: Q&A Part 1 MMOG Dev Panel at NY Comic-Con: Q&A Part 2 Man you are so right, CCP are really branding EVE as a MMOrpG, just without the R and the P. The reason why this game NEEDS the following thread is because it's obviously a Role Playing game right? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=670912 In RPG games you Role Play a Night Elf Priest, a Human Warlock, a Tauren Rogue or whatever classes there are in WoW. Do you see anyone Role Playing a Caldari Fighter flying a Crow? Maybe you 'Role Players' are the exception to the rule, in which case you should join CVA because I know people in CVA and I know they really Role Play and not Role Play with poses, sieges, pods and territory. NEXT successful attempt at failing to prove this is a Role Playing Game because you can role play in EVE but this is not a RPG. I do like Role Playing my Hulk by the way I agree, However, Eve is a partial RPG with its background stories and initial choice of races. But thats as far as it goes, we all soon learn there are no "Caldari" "Gallente" "Amarr" or "Minmatar", there are only reds, and blues :P As to CVA, well, meh :P Eve is three quarters a free for all internet spaceships style game. We'd all love it to be homeworld, but its not. So yeah, i wouldn't classify eve as an MMORPG, realistically speaking its definitely an MMO. Luv, B2K. p.s: Ambulation worries me. I don't like it.
Illiri	Posted - 2008.05.04 07:26:00 - [1085] Well if ppl dont like then lucky for them they are making it optional. So its not like your being forced to do anything.
Sloppy Podfarts	Posted - 2008.05.04 07:28:00 - [1086] Originally by: Liranan Ambulation? DO NOT WANT! DO NOT WANT!! You want ambulation? Go play a MMORPG and stop playing EvE. Before you go do give me your stuff. Bye to all those who are demanding ambulation, WOW awaits you. shut yer face
Liranan	Posted - 2008.05.04 09:13:00 - [1087] Originally by: Sloppy Podfarts Originally by: Liranan Ambulation? DO NOT WANT! DO NOT WANT!! You want ambulation? Go play a MMORPG and stop playing EvE. Before you go do give me your stuff. Bye to all those who are demanding ambulation, WOW awaits you. shut yer face Says someone hiding behind a three day old NPC corp character. Can we have a forum ban for this account please?
Jason Argile	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:57:00 - [1088] Originally by: Liranan Edited by: Liranan on 03/05/2008 23:19:32 Originally by: Kharadran Sullath Yes, because every other player in WoW roleplays. EVE's features suffice to define it as an rpg. If WoW is it, so is most definately EVE. Next was it? MMOG Dev Panel at NY Comic-Con: Q&A Part 1 MMOG Dev Panel at NY Comic-Con: Q&A Part 2 Man you are so right, CCP are really branding EVE as a MMOrpG, just without the R and the P. The reason why this game NEEDS the following thread is because it's obviously a Role Playing game right? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=670912 In RPG games you Role Play a Night Elf Priest, a Human Warlock, a Tauren Rogue or whatever classes there are in WoW. Do you see anyone Role Playing a Caldari Fighter flying a Crow? Maybe you 'Role Players' are the exception to the rule, in which case you should join CVA because I know people in CVA and I know they really Role Play and not Role Play with poses, sieges, pods and territory. NEXT successful attempt at failing to prove this is a Role Playing Game because you can role play in EVE but this is not a RPG. I do like Role Playing my Hulk by the way You are a tribute to the public education system. Eve online has continually attempted to integrate its gamers into a more immersive style of game play. That is what Role play isà any Kind of Role Play is an attempt to at feeling more deeply a part of the game you are playing. Every thing from the Constant npc news articles to this thing with voting a new leader to the player run news papers is an attempt to help players immerse themselves in there role as a Capsuleer in Eve. At no time in the universe of eve will you find a bit of dialog with an npc that forcefully reminds you that you are really sitting at a computer terminal in your home Pretending to fly a space ship pretending to shoot down pirates pretending to mine rocks or pretending to be any one of the billions of things Eve lets you Pretend to do. Pretend. 1.to act as if something were true. Roll play 1.acting out of a part 2.a Game session involving pretending a role or roles. As in a computer or other game, a session during which players take on the roles of characters Eve can easily be called MORE than just an RPG but is most definitely at the Least an RPG.
Another NewFace	Posted - 2008.05.09 17:31:00 - [1089] Originally by: Jason Argile Originally by: Liranan Edited by: Liranan on 03/05/2008 23:19:32 Originally by: Kharadran Sullath Stuff More stuff You are a tribute to the public education system. Eve online has continually attempted to integrate its gamers into a more immersive style of game play. That is what Role play isà any Kind of Role Play is an attempt to at feeling more deeply a part of the game you are playing. Every thing from the Constant npc news articles to this thing with voting a new leader to the player run news papers is an attempt to help players immerse themselves in there role as a Capsuleer in Eve. At no time in the universe of eve will you find a bit of dialog with an npc that forcefully reminds you that you are really sitting at a computer terminal in your home Pretending to fly a space ship pretending to shoot down pirates pretending to mine rocks or pretending to be any one of the billions of things Eve lets you Pretend to do. Pretend. 1.to act as if something were true. Roll play 1.acting out of a part 2.a Game session involving pretending a role or roles. As in a computer or other game, a session during which players take on the roles of characters Eve can easily be called MORE than just an RPG but is most definitely at the Least an RPG. I'm not sure if EvE can be considered an RPG. Sure, it has role play elements, such as a backstory, and an attempt at differentiating between races, but there isn't much more to it, imo. I've always considered EvE to be a MMO space sim with guns. Or, at least, a game with role playing in it, rather than a role playing game. It may seem like a minor semantic point (in all honesty, it is), but if your criteria for a RPG is applied to other genres of games, then most game genres would be RPGs, and we, as gamers, would hardly consider a FPS (you play the role of the gun wielding hero, right? The game has a backstory, right? The game has features that make it immersive to some degree, explosions, weather effects, etc?) the same thing as a RPG. Sure, the world doesn't change because of your actions, and the story is linear, but it fits your definition of "roll play (sic)". The problem with the classification is that EvE is a sandboxed game, and there aren't any limitations to what characters can do or become, so there aren't any "roles" in the traditional sense of a RPG, other than the generic "capsuleer". Calling EvE a RPG doesn't do justice to RPGs, but the game is certainly more than just another MMO.
Mister Brown	Posted - 2008.05.09 18:40:00 - [1090] Edited by: Mister Brown on 09/05/2008 18:40:42 If this is really goin to happen, i'd say implant a mortal kombat fighting arena. Just so i can kick my mission agents. 2 times forward red jeej
Anope R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:26:00 - [1091] I doubt anyone will read this.. it being this far in the thread... but indoor corp/alliance areas would be nice.. ofcourse you would have to rent these just like corp offices etc. this would allow privacy for corp mettings and alliance strategizing : )
Unawa	Posted - 2008.05.10 13:44:00 - [1092] Originally by: Anope I doubt anyone will read this.. it being this far in the thread... but indoor corp/alliance areas would be nice.. ofcourse you would have to rent these just like corp offices etc. this would allow privacy for corp mettings and alliance strategizing : ) You were wrong about no-one reading it :) They are planning this very feature - at least for corps. Also, regarding roleplaying comment. EVE is probably the best game out so far that does roleplaying. Unfortunately, many people seem to think roleplaying means having a character that goes up levels via completing story quests or killing monsters. That's a system. Roleplaying is assuming the role of another person inside an imaginary scenario. Eve does this in such a way that everyone roleplays different characters doing different careers with different personalities. I don't think any other MMO around does roleplaying better. Of course, it's a fine line in some cases. But I think it's pretty clear that EVE is an RPG.
Edgar Loke	Posted - 2008.05.10 15:28:00 - [1093] Edited by: Edgar Loke on 10/05/2008 15:28:31 Yay...flame wars... http://xkcd.com/386/ makes me chuckle every time
Edgar Loke	Posted - 2008.05.10 15:37:00 - [1094] As for the RP discussion...I think thats what we are on now right? Anyway, I think this will add greatly to the RP value of this game as it will really allow for more immersive (sp?) depth and player interaction. I'm kinda annoyed with the idea that you can't run, not that it would be detrimental to moving around the station, but for the RP value of it. Imagine a lounge where several corpmates are sitting around, having a drink, when suddenly someone walks calmly into the room and yells "Our station in <your station name here> is under siege! We need to get out there and help them NOW!" Everyone then stands up, and walks calmly out to the hanger bay in a neat and orderly fashion. Its kind of weird, but I hope the idea makes sense here. I'm sure Ill love Ambulation all the same and all, but it would be really nice to actually move when you need to. That and having an option in ignore set up to completely hide characters from view. To help remove griefer distractions during RP.
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.10 19:49:00 - [1095] Originally by: Liranan Ambulation? DO NOT WANT! DO NOT WANT!! You want ambulation? Go play a MMORPG and stop playing EvE. Before you go do give me your stuff. Bye to all those who are demanding ambulation, WOW awaits you. Too bad cupcake, it wasnt our idea it's CCP's idea and it's going to happen so ... shut yer piehole. I'm ambivalent about ambulation, tbh, but it HAS given me much LAWLZ from the GBTWoW crowd.
Eyhoma	Posted - 2008.05.11 22:07:00 - [1096] As far as I'm concerned ambulation won't be done until there is a thunderbirds/voltron -esque sequence for getting into your pod and then ship, along with an appropriately moving orchestral score.
Zero Defect	Posted - 2008.05.12 02:27:00 - [1097] Originally by: Eyhoma As far as I'm concerned ambulation won't be done until there is a thunderbirds/voltron -esque sequence for getting into your pod and then ship, along with an appropriately moving orchestral score. this
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.05.12 05:56:00 - [1098] Originally by: Eyhoma As far as I'm concerned ambulation won't be done until there is a thunderbirds/voltron -esque sequence for getting into your pod and then ship, along with an appropriately moving orchestral score. I support your vision and ideas and wish to maybe, at some point, subscribe to a newsletter of a similar caliber.
dojocan81	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:43:00 - [1099] one question: do we will have text bubbles over the head if we talk to someone in the station or will it remain in the chatbox ?
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.12 07:04:00 - [1100] Will it at all be dynamic as to reflect the security status of the system, the wealth of the owning corporation, the cultural mix of that perticular location and the status of possible disrepair if in a hot warzone? I mean if station all are going to have a generic look as they do now, why bother? Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Absalom Marathon modro	Posted - 2008.05.13 01:28:00 - [1101] I have not read through all of this thread and I wont. I'm just gonna state what I think about this. And also, please excuse my bad english. I'm not a native english-speaker. If you (ccp) truly believe this will add something NEW to the game; A thing that experienced and old players who manage fine at the moment and are happy with the game as it is, also will use, then I support it 100%. I'm just scared it's gonna be like when they added a "walk around with your avatar"-thing on one of the forums I hang out on. For one week everybody loved it, then they got back to the regular forums bcs it didn't bring something new to the equation, the object was still to discuss things with each other and what format is better at that than a forum? Sure, you could look at the avatars and chitchat and dance and trade ponys, but it didn't enhance the thing people hung out on the forum to do: To discuss things. I don't want to be an angry old man tho, so I encourage this! But please make it good and please make it bring something new and exciting to the game but enhanced graphics and tradeable ponys Less you want all the wown00bs running around in the stations looking at their neat dresses while the old hags still hang outside in their battleships cuz the new station-functions doesn't give them anything.
The Tzar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.13 13:32:00 - [1102] Hello Kitty online players should play Hello Kitty online. Where on earth did CCP get the terrible idea of ambulation? I seriously hope it wasn't from EvE's own playerbase. What the hell does it matter what my 'avatar' looks like, it is a spaceship commander with civilians to do 'ambulation' type work for him. Also, if he/she spends 99% of their life in a matrix style goo with no sunshine..., not sure whether I want to look at these zombies tbqfh. Such a weak and juvenile idea. __________________________________________ 'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________
Tharukan Desm'ar	Posted - 2008.05.13 13:41:00 - [1103] Edited by: Tharukan Desm''ar on 13/05/2008 13:41:43 Edited by: Tharukan Desm''ar on 13/05/2008 13:41:01 If this opens an avenue to out of pod life features in the future I'm sold. Owning retailer stores for selling pilot items and bars/ clubs along with your avatar's domicile would be great and add a nice social venue for your corp buddies. And expand RP options.
Kashif Habad	Posted - 2008.05.13 15:40:00 - [1104] Edited by: Kashif Habad on 13/05/2008 15:44:03 Originally by: Liranan Edited by: Liranan on 03/05/2008 15:18:48 Originally by: Sakura Nihil Originally by: Liranan Ambulation? DO NOT WANT! DO NOT WANT!! You want ambulation? Go play a MMORPG and stop playing EvE. Um, EVE is an MMORPG . Next. Definition of MMORPG is Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. EVE is a MMO not a RPG. RPG in EVE is CVA. I don't see BoB and Goons Roleplaying unless it's with Dreads, Titans and conquered space. If that's what you mean you are utterly right. So quoting you "Next" indeed. Yes, BoB are roleplaying with Dreads, Titans and conqured space. They are roleplaying a big 0.0 alliance because no one of them thinks he actually is a space pilot IRL. When BoB announce they are taking your space- this is roleplay. If someone is a spy in an alliance feeding information to the enemy he is roleplaying a spy. He is not a spy IRL. If a goon scams you out of your titan they are roleplaying a scammer (they are even roleplaying to be a nice guy genuinely wanting to recruit you before). What we do in this game is all roleplay. If I trade goods in an NPC faction I am roleplaying a trader. I don't need to actually yarr all the time as a pirate. It is enough to pod you and smack you for your stupid fitting to roleplay a pirate. You don't need a parrot for that. edit to not completely derail. Since we are all roleplaying in a way- ambulation will add something for everyone. Being it a well known FC laying out a battle plan with his buddies face to face. A spy meeting his informant in a dark corner, a pirate sitting in a bar exchanging laughs with other scum like him. EvE is about possibilities. The more we have- the better. You just need to find out for yourself what to do with them.
Greenbolt Minmatar Un4seen Development	Posted - 2008.05.13 15:50:00 - [1105] I didnt read the entire thread and I am sure that its been brought up many times.. but I want to be able to dock at a station...especially lowsec or 0.0 ...bribe someone to let me sneak in a pistol from the arms cache I just hauled for that stupid agent...and put 2 rounds through the back of the head of said agent. Secondary wish: Repeat above with any hostile player who I have 'kill rights' on. (And yes...shooting my NPC agents has higher priority for me.). After all..EVE is a dark and unforgiving place where your not safe anywhere.. (So then you shouldnt be safe in stations.) --------------------------------------------------- Scordite -Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?
Lord Payens Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.13 17:15:00 - [1106] I really don't understand all this rejection. It is a function that will generally add to the game. If you want to stay in your ship and keep playing the old way it's your choice, nothing to do with ambulation. For the rest though that would enjoy to be able to leave their ship and take a walk to the stations, why not be able to have that choice? Personally, I would definitely prefer to be more of trading, hanging out/around, but for a start I am totally satisfied with that also. I just don't see any release dates
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.13 18:34:00 - [1107] people are afraid of social interaction. drum roll Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions! I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them.
Pot Shot	Posted - 2008.05.25 00:31:00 - [1108] Any news on this?
ELECTR0FREAK Dragon Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.25 06:52:00 - [1109] Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 25/05/2008 06:53:28 I find it funny that people are are still arguing over whether or not they want ambulation when it's been in the works for almost 2 years now. It's coming to EVE, understand that. If you don't want to walk around in stations, don't. It's as simple as that. A big part of Ambulation involves the development of CCP's second MMO. Now look at all the features packed into the recent patches including the upcoming Faction Warfare patch, and it's pretty safe to say that working on Ambulation hasn't stalled CCP's development on core gameplay improvements. I personally will enjoy Ambulation and am looking forward to when it goes live. There's times where I'm playing EVE and I want to relax a bit, chat with people, and just play casually. It seems to me that Ambulation can make that experience a bit more immersive and enjoyable. Realistic Corporation offices will make our corporations have a more tactile and corporate feel to them. Imagine your corp leader calling a meeting in a war room in front of a big floating map to discuss and point out strategy, or holding a boardroom style meeting to discuss corporate strategy. Anything that makes me feel less like I'm playing a game and more like I'm actually immersed in EVE's incredibly deep and sophisticated universe is welcome by me. If you just want to play EVE as a game, that's cool. If you want to experience it as an almost alternate reality, Ambulation is quite literally a step in the right direction. http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9220/finalsigvj8.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected]) Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.05.28 01:48:00 - [1110] I'm just astonished that people can find anything to object to, here. Here is a free feature, which we don't have to pay for (or even use) that will not alter the mechanics of the game in any way, but which is neverhteless beautiful, immersive and exquisitely done. There is, as far as I can tell, no reason to object to it other than some frankly idiotic "Lol this is EVE not WoW!" perspective. You're quite right that it's EVE and not WoW. when Ambulation comes out, it will still be EVE. Why are people complaining over this? - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.

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