The dev Team really have nuts. The Last time they decided to bring such **** online was the walking in Stations Feature. They completely ignored any other problems and the Player base just raged out. Who was part of the Monument shooting in jita?

This time it could be much worse. And also the CSM team proofed the be completely incompetent....

Lets see how this will end this time.

Fanfest is over...tickets are sold, now they want (force) us to buy something else...
Well...let's pull the alpha VNIs out and let the afk farm begin.

Since when a VNI is an alpha ship? ...

Man these new players are whiny ass bitches.

No really. I was days away from getting into a nano Ishtar when CCP nerfed nano HACs. Did I come to the forums and rage like a punk ass *****? No. I just moved on and re-organized my skill queue.

You guys are nothing but goddamned wimps and cry babies. Oh a blue blue blue...CCP ruined my plans.

What are you? 12? Wait, 12 year old girls?

Seriously, those of you whining because you wanted to earn buckets of ISK and thereby destroy the purchasing power of other players' ISK...please simply FOADIAF...literally.

Since your pilot is gallente.

We the player base is the reason they still have something to work on. Honestly if carriers are such a big problem for ratting then why not remove the fighter damage bonus feom the Nodhoggur and the Tahantos rather than nerding on Citadels as well. Citadels already have extremely weak defenses to push attackers off. They don't need to be merged more without some sort of compensatory buff in other form of damage.

all the CSM on here saying oh "good work". or "nice changes" are the biggest trolls in eve.

The only CSMs I've seen saying that are the ones who don't know anything about capitals because they have 0 capital experience.

Think he was talking about alpha clones afk farming?

Renter trash not understanding how the CSM works.

This has to be singlehandedly the worst update to an mmo I have seen in nearly a decade. These nerfs are based on highly inaccurate data using extreme outliers in order to create the illusion of a problem that doesn't exist. Carrier and super ratting is not the issue here, the actual problem lies with the entire PVE system of eve online. The solution to this so called isk faucet is not nerfing an entire shipline to the point of uselessness. I can't understand why the CCP dev team decided to implement a solution that imbalances the game to the point where battleships can out perform an entire class of ships that take months of dedicated training to skill into (not counting skill injectors).

The decision to implement these changes is obviously a rushed and ill thought out. I am surprised any developer could choose to make such a careless decision like this without first consulting their customer base or community representatives such as the CSM. In the past CCP has consulted the community prior to updates such as this, which begs the question why they wouldn't have given the community time to discuss these changes with the dev team.

The only other game I have played that showed this same disconnect from their community and made drastic changes like this over"RMT" and "inflation" was Runescape back in 2007. During this time Jagex (the developers of Runescape for the few who don't know) took similar measures as the one we are seeing here, instead of addressing the actual problems with their game at the time they decided to completely strip entire features from the game. Starting with the removal of PVP via the wilderness which had a similar high risk high reward PVP gameplay we have, and ending with the removal of free trade between players and replacing it with a harshly limited system. Not surprisingly these changes, and Jagexs utter disregard of the community caused outrage and a massive drop in subscriptions. To this day, Runescape hasn't recovered from this even after they reversed these decisions in 2011. The damage is done.

I hate to think about this, but I see CCP taking this in the same direction Jagex did in 2007. They are ignoring their consumers, they are ignoring the actual problems with the game, they are ignoring the obvious imbalances in the game, and worst of all they are refusing to come to a rational and meaningful solution. Most will argue the changes over the past 3 years are the bulk of their concern and this is the straw that broke the camel's back. Don't get me wrong for me this this definitely broke my camel's back, however for me my complaints start with the pheobe changes and fozzie doc, because it is around this time CCP began to ignore their customers again after the whole monocle riots in 2011. All of these changes were exactly like the changes Jagex made in the past. Brute forced methods that only treat the symptoms, not the root of the issue. Fozzie sov has made the game more stagnant and boring than ever, the jump drive changes, while i will admit were necessary to an extent, make getting an outright chore.

What's worse is any negative feedback about these updates has been either outright ignored or held in contempt by CCP. Which isn't an attitude a developer should have towards their players. CCP, your players are your customers why are you treating your customers with outright disrespect like this. This is unprofessional and totally unacceptable.

Honestly if it weren't for the fact I LOVE the friends I made in this game and I LOVE the corp I run, I would have unsubscribed outright. Instead you're picking and only have to deal with losing 4 out of my 5 subs. Anyway I will stop here before I continue to get petty. My point here is that you need to listen to your customers CCP, and actually look into finding real meaningful solutions. Not just useless patch and fix methods that ultimately destroy the game.


TL;DR Listen to your customer base CCP, don't be Jagex and ruin it with stupid brute force fixes.

Also **** this update

and i lost 5 T2 fighter last week thats 50 mil. other ships dont spend 50 in ammo doing pve.

Than use the other ship; are you that bad at EVE you are not using the best ship for the job or is the ship worth using even with this drawback and thus your point is of little value or concern? Which is it? One ship is not going to be the best choice for everything in the game - get into some other ships and try them on for size.

So I found a way to increase my carrier ratting ticks and the math shows it will work post patch. Instead of letting my alt just sit around with her thumb up some orifice or another I stick her in a little angry making agro ship... drop her on the anom first and set off all the agro alarms I can...

While I can't guarantee the extra 15% more likely to want to shoot fighters won't change the balance of the agro generators needed to **** the rats off enough to focus on the bait - that is just a matter of tuning. Further since I don't carrier rat on more than one account anyhow - I'm still making the exact same - if not BETTER isk than i was before.

so =P CCP.

I bet you would do the same thing in PVP as well.. gf

Than use the other ship; are you that bad at EVE you are not using the best ship for the job or is the ship worth using even with this drawback and thus your point is of little value or concern? Which is it? One ship is not going to be the best choice for everything in the game - get into some other ships and try them on for size.

So I found a way to increase my carrier ratting ticks and the math shows it will work post patch. Instead of letting my alt just sit around with her thumb up some orifice or another I stick her in a little angry making agro ship... drop her on the anom first and set off all the agro alarms I can...

While I can't guarantee the extra 15% more likely to want to shoot fighters won't change the balance of the agro generators needed to **** the rats off enough to focus on the bait - that is just a matter of tuning. Further since I don't carrier rat on more than one account anyhow - I'm still making the exact same - if not BETTER isk than i was before.

so =P CCP.

So I found a way to increase my carrier ratting ticks and the math shows it will work post patch. Instead of letting my alt just sit around with her thumb up some orifice or another I stick her in a little angry making agro ship... drop her on the anom first and set off all the agro alarms I can...

While I can't guarantee the extra 15% more likely to want to shoot fighters won't change the balance of the agro generators needed to **** the rats off enough to focus on the bait - that is just a matter of tuning. Further since I don't carrier rat on more than one account anyhow - I'm still making the exact same - if not BETTER isk than i was before.

so =P CCP.

What ship are you using?

CCP,
I can't for the life of me figure out why this is a good change. The last 2 years in a row ISK making opportunities have been major nerfed. In order to plex my account i have to spend more time playing this game. I understand you have to make money but so do i to keep playing. If it becomes an issue where i cannot keep playing due to ISK method Nerf (continuous) than i will no longer be able to play eve. This isn't a grr you post or a angry post, its a real problem i foresee for many players my self alike. Super ratting was the only reason for me to move out to NULL to be with Goonswarm. You nerf all of Null (ore atoms, Ratting) but you do not touch High security space Incursions? .... Yes i post terribly I'm sorry.