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Crimson11
Legacy State
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:54:00 -
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If they close the Buy/Sell order forum we should all start posting in COAD, or any other active area. Make the mods go crazy from having to click every thread, forcing them to put it back in. Hopefully they get the hint we dont want this. Ive read through the whole thing, and unless someone has posted while i was typing this, i dont think i saw one positive remark about this. Take the hint CCP. Its ok to turn back now, its only an idea. We dont fault you for ideas. We fault you for following through with those idea's. Well... At the bad ones.
Crim
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Qumu
Incognito Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:54:00 -
[152]
One of the most astoundingly stupid moves I have seen CCP make. You really outdid yourselves this time..
Gratz...I guess.
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Veng3ance
New Dawn Rising
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:54:00 -
[153]
WTF Why!
You guys are so confusing sometimes, what the HELL is the reason for closing down those forums?
First off you have the services that can't be put onto contracts. IPO's, Super Caps, Standing Services, Research Services, Lottery's etc etc.
Then you are also ruining the Market Discussions forum, if all those things move into market discussions then there will be a ton of spam getting in the way of our trading discussions.
At LEAST keep the Sell Orders forum
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Crimson11
Legacy State
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:55:00 -
[154]
Wow. I started typing my above response on page 5 and landed on page 6. Ouch.
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Zathuraa
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:56:00 -
[155]
ccp please reconsider!
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Siddious
Serenity Of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:57:00 -
[156]
Fun part is that it is being removed within 2 weeks but they already closed it down so you can't use it anymore... So why keep it around for an other 2 weeks ?? just to **** people off and show that what was ?
Btw Where are those smart ass remarks of the dev's and GM now ?? They are normaly quick to respond.. ------
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 21/08/2007 14:58:23
Quote: There is one single reason for this bull****.
Manpower.
The market forums require a lot of moderating manpower to keep them in check. Constant supervision and corrections is required. The contract system does not require any of that, as it is bound and rigid.
Removing the trade forum removes the need for this manpower and frees up moderator time.
Moderator time? You gotta be joking. If the mods have too much on their hands they can just hire more. Don't cost them a dime since they're all volunteers, and I know for a fact that there are more than enough qualified and willing players...
There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones |
Arrs Grazznic
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Arrs Grazznic on 21/08/2007 14:59:15
Originally by: DeODokktor So if the forums are getting removed in 2 weeks, can we assume that the new patch will happen by then?..
I only say that because as it is contracts are utterly useless for large auctions..
1) Auctions need Minimum Bid Incriments 2) You need to be able to set a Sniper Rule 3) People need to be able to see the end-time 4) You need a REAL Reserve (not just a starting price) 5) Proxy bidding (giving the system 2.8 billion isk and having the system bid for you) is also a requirement 6) Universe wide Bidding
I think that is a good list requirements (things the forum can allow to an extent).. I could list a few other things that would be useful but if these things arent coming in then dont remove the forums yet....
And...
History Adding *all* items to contracts Better searching Saving searches Use of the description of the contract when browsing, rather than just [Multiple Items] Reduce the risk to accept want to buy scams A way to advertise services A way to sell supercaps IPO Lotteries And probably a whole lot more
Bah
Arrs
FireStar are now recruiting
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Agent Stone
Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:59:00 -
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Err... Removing Trading Forums?
Where are you meant to trade BPO's? Ingame? How do I search for price checks, and current sales on the forums from work? And buy BPO's from work? Etc...
I presume we just use General Discussion if we still want to buy and sell via forums?
What reason is there for not running them any more? Granted ingame contracts system works, but just because you have two systems that work, it does not mean one must go?
I love reading the Sell Orders Forum from work though. :( Means I can see how I can spend my Isk during lunch breaks, etc.
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Malarki X
Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:00:00 -
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Well this is just WRONG !
Now we will have no choice but to flood Jita with contracts. Buying and selling capital stuff is allready complicated.
Not to mention faction loot, COSMOS loot and such.
This is a move in wrong direction and plee to you to reconsider.
It cant be because forums put too much pressure on servers - this is an MMO for goodness sake. We need forums for comunity, fun and buisness alike.
How is some random Joe suppose to sell research slots for example ?!?
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Valerian Xavier
Moloko.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:03:00 -
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probably my least favorite decision ccp has made since i've been in eve. i got my business from these forums, not contracts.
the big problems have already been said so a big QFT from me. wtf ccp
SHC Marketplace
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Shari Vegas
Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:03:00 -
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Yay, 12000 more "Want to buy (Faction Ship/Item) for 1 ISK" contracts we'll all have to mull through while looking for something legitimate.
I think CCP is really just starting to lose the plot.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler I have no clue.
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Lady Alystra
Amarr Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:03:00 -
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Not a very good idea. You are forgetting all the many items that cannot be put on contract yet and cannot be added to the market yet.
Also, the contract system sucks because you can only bid on an auction if you are in the same region as the auction - that means you have to be in that region for a very long time, since the current contracts for auctions do not state an end date/time more precisely than "less than a day".
Time to put your tin foil thinking hats back on, CCP.
Lady A, going over to register at Chribbas forum.
Because we DGAF!
... and you can DGAF too.
DGAF recruitment thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=471457 |
Lady Natacha
Minmatar Water and Power
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:04:00 -
[164]
All I can say is:
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Benedic
Minmatar The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:04:00 -
[165]
Coming soon to a Jita near you: 1400 in local, 10 minute lag.
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Deacon Ix
Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:04:00 -
[166]
This is not good - I do most of my buying/selling at work - when at home and in game I like to PLAY eve rather than waste time sorting out contracts
Originally by: Steini OFSI The most efficient way to get a dev response is to have the word beer somewhere in your thread.
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ISliverI
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:05:00 -
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Well this is a foul idea. I am not going to bother to reiterate the numerous reasons stated in the last 6 pages about why this is so bad.
Simply - the forums do something (many things!) that the contract system will never be able to do on its own. This out of game option is nessecary. Another will be created if you trash this one. If you do not keep it here, you will simply lose forum traffic to whoever creates the best off site forum that covers this need.
-Sliver
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Agent Stone
Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:06:00 -
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Actually, can we have details, or a FAQ on how do you sell, or advertise the folling on the ingame contracts system...
- General Services, Not any Physical Asset(like offering people to join a corp that has +8 standings, for jump clones, or research services - Corporations (Corps with POS's deployed in Hi-Sec for example) - Supercapitals (Mothership Sales for example)
I am sure there are many others.
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Anarkia Evangel
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:07:00 -
[169]
Wow CCP you have really out done your self here, this has got to be the worst idea ever.
What possible good will this do? I can only think of negtives.
I just dont get it.. why?
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:08:00 -
[170]
I couldn't resist:
WTS: CLUE
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
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1Of9
Gallente Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:10:00 -
[171]
Does any1 have the link to the new buy/sale forum?
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Non Zero
Solipsism Syndrome Consulting
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:10:00 -
[172]
Dear Wrangler
This will be a setback for the economy in EVE
...because the contracts system feels to me like a half finished product and the market is still cumbersome in many ways.
I would like to hear if CCP consider the current system for finished or if they actually have some improvements in the pipeline soon to come??
I feel the contract system is unfinished in the following ways: The list function need tweaking, sometimes listing items in irregular ways, making it confusing browsing items.
The search function is almost useless and not very versatile. -Cannot list more than one type of item. Would been very useful to get group, half-group,search on names and still list items from multiple groups. -To do a search for a new item in a different category, you have to manually clear 3 fields...
The contract system currently don't have the function to keep a history of sales, like the forums have. This is important both for the avid trader, but even more for the occasional trader or the newbies, so they can get an better idea what things actually goes for. Off course the active contracts gives an idea, but this can be ruined by many 'shots in dark' and also other spamming/manipulating.
An average price like the market system is also not sufficient, need a clear table with time of sales, number of items and location. (same goes for the market statistics).
It takes a lot more time to browse and search for items compared to forums.
Also the market system, has many issues that are tiring For example the basic browsing of item groups, the SAME description (wich actually contains no useful data)is sometimes listed on all objects, while ESSENTIAL attributes we want to see directly to compare them with prices is hidden behind the i-button.
Improving on these issues would also help make the learning curve for EVE less steep, making both new and old players less frustratedless chance they quit the game.
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Ricdics
Corporate Placement Holding Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ricdics on 21/08/2007 15:12:29 What a complete load of sh*t Insured Research and Production Services Queues |
Zathuraa
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:12:00 -
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Pros:
Cons: * More people spaming in the Trade / Jita Channels * No way of offering services * Cant Auction Motherships
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Miss Tigkill
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:13:00 -
[175]
Ouch. Although I understand the reasoning, the contract system is not keyword searchable, which is a downside, IMO.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:16:00 -
[176]
Here is a very detailed list of all the advantages of this idea:
Hmmm I didn't see anything either...
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EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! |
Lady Natacha
Minmatar Water and Power
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:16:00 -
[177]
Almost forgot, good riddance to the CCG stuff. Way to go CCP!
250M implant may disappear: Linkage
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CiNi
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: CiNi on 21/08/2007 15:18:24
Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 21/08/2007 13:47:32 Seriously? You're closing down the Sell Orders and Want Ads?! Browsing the contract system in-game is just as fun as... well it's not fun at all.
Maybe it's time to open another 3rd party forum for the sell and buy orders...
Edit:
I've put the forums on evelocal.com online, they should work I think. Lemme know if that is what is needed, and what needs to be added/removed/updated etc.
Chribba to the rescue ONCE AGAIN, u sir are the biggest asset we as a comunity have and we thank you for your continued dedication. THANK YOU
CCP Please reconsider this action, the contract system is already very weak and doesnt have enough functionality to be of much use. It doesnt show everything we ask for unless u make a search extremely narrow or if its for a specific item. A lot of the time i dont know what, if anything, i want to buy and just browse the forum and see something i think would be cool. Its like going window shopping and coming home with loads of cool stuff. You simply cannot do this with contracts.PLEASE reconsider this action.
EDIT :: Lol @ DS post above me
Firestar Is Recruiting Again For A Short Time!! |
Khira Painn
Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:17:00 -
[179]
I usually don't post on the forums, but I can't let CCP do such a stupid thing without voicing my concern. You couldn't possibly have thought of all the consequences this will have.
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Tigkill Ouch. Although I understand the reasoning, the contract system is not keyword searchable, which is a downside, IMO.
Actually it is, click the "more options" button and you will see a nice little search field. And while you are at it set it to simple view as well and you can see the items ignoring bogus titles.
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