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Fredou
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:20:00 -
[31]
can you remove the fact that it's impossible to bid to other region?
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Nadraas
Antipodean inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:21:00 -
[32]
Early April fools?? Honestly no way.
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Digital Anarchist
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:22:00 -
[33]
I hope you reconsider this decision, the contract system is not versatile enough to cover all forms of trade. Besides, a forum is a community and an important part of the marketplace.
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Aceoil
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:22:00 -
[34]
How am I supposed to "search" for the previous price on "Super duper invul field"?
I use the forums to see what the average price has been going back a year or so. Especially when there are none for sale in any region?
Now you have taken away that search tool.
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Vegeta
Minmatar
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:23:00 -
[35]
Worst decision ever.
The auction system is still nowhere near to being completed. Right now it's a skeleton waiting to have the rest of its body delivered.
Contract browsing/searching is still abysmal and has the inherent problem of being spammed by [Want to Buy] scam attempts. The naming structure, lack of and decent description only add to these problems.
Not only that, but these forums are what create a sense of community among traders. They let us link back to the days when a Crow BPO was sold for 500m and give us somewhere to look to when we need to know the price of our officer module. Remove them and take away a huge part of our community.
Whoever thought of this should have chairs thrown at them.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:24:00 -
[36]
less forum spam more in game play
its always a good change
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ZaKma
Seraphin Technologies
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:25:00 -
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Sometimes I get the feeling CCP is just trying to give people more and more work for no real reason.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/08/2007 13:35:14
Lets see how it turns out, but the Contract system is not exactly popular. I estimate this thread to become about 50 pages before the weekend.
Its a brave move.
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Shophix
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:26:00 -
[39]
If you are going to eliminate buy/sell forums and replace them by the contracts system it is crucial that any item is contractible. Last time I checked this was not the case. |
Kaar
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:29:00 -
[40]
Wow...
Dunno what happened to CCP over the summer but I think you guys really need a rollback.
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:29:00 -
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I would like to know who makes these types of decitions, because the person making them must not play the game very much or must not USE the forums much to sell/buy
Do you even know what affect this will have on eveyone?
NO I think NOT!
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Auraurious
Silentium.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:29:00 -
[42]
this is so stupid its unbelievable, no price history? no services? no super caps? the list goes on.
i have to be frank and say this is just plain ********
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Hamalicious
Middle Finger Technology
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:29:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Hamalicious on 21/08/2007 13:30:25
Nothing really to add other than wow, ballsy and not though through.
What am I going to do at work now!
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:30:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Kappas. on 21/08/2007 13:30:22
Any item needs to be contractable
You need to advertise services
Ability to accept/bid a contract in other regions
Ability to set wildcard searches (ie just invulnerability field - not SoandSo's Modified Ivuln)
Soooo many scam WTB orders
Supercapital sales
The list goes on.
To be brutally honest, if you had made a contract system that wasn't totally ****, no-one would use the sell orders forums anyway :|
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Phoenix Pryde
Caldari
3-I Area 42
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:30:00 -
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my reaction was a straight out ... WTF ? lol ? 1st April ?
Anyway, you gotta be joking ? Closing the MARKET forums ? In a game where the player driven market is one of the Centerpieces ?
Contracts dont nearly come close to replace all thats done via the market forums.
The forums are needed for advertising mostly, which simply cant be done in game. They give a better overview, and additionally there are some things that cant be sold on market or via contracts.
And i m saying that even though our sales are mostly conducted via TRUST, and not here ... but the Market forums are irreplacable imo. You can replace the guy who came up with the braindead idea of shutting them down though :P
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Fredou
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:31:00 -
[46]
how do we bid while server is down?
contract finish 5 hours after DT
buyout on a nice item is 5b
before DT last bid was 100m
DT goes wrong, 7 hours added to DT
PROFIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bellhop
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:31:00 -
[47]
Think it's time not just for a 3rd party sell forum, but a complete alt Eve Online forum. Fix 2 problems in one go.
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Dr Aryandi
Hematite Rose
Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:33:00 -
[48]
Originally by: PC5
If you want us to use ingame system then IMPROVE IT! Why? Let me quote someone :
I think that is the key issue here.
The way to get more people into contracts and off the forums is to make contracts better, not try and stop the alternatives.
At the point the forums are hardly being used because everyone has moved to contracts THAT is the point at which the forums can be closed.
Right now my advert spams off the front page within an hour or two of being posted. That's not good but implies to me that contracts and the forums both need work, not that the forums need to be closed down - because they are obviously both popular and get the job done!
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:33:00 -
[49]
Actually, freeform contracts should work for advertising most of the stuff currently done in the sale forum. Will be a bit of a pain to get used to search for stuff though.
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Angelik'a
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:33:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Bellhop
Think it's time not just for a 3rd party sell forum, but a complete alt Eve Online forum. Fix 2 problems in one go.
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Big Al
The Aftermath
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:34:00 -
[51]
Wow, and I thought the other crap you've done was really stupid. This requires an entire new classification.
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evil's toy
horizons
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:34:00 -
[52]
Edited by: evil''s toy on 21/08/2007 13:36:00
Originally by: Entity
Closing down sell orders, the most used forum on this site, is probably going to prove to be a mistake of epic proportions.
How are people going to sell supercaps?
How are people going to advertise services?
How are people going to run auctions of large number of items?
How are people going to express the need for services or items?
How are people going to trade at work?
Contracts are to immature to be a replacement for the functionality and more importantly the flexibility the trade forums offers, which is backed up by the fact it is today still the most used forum on this board.
Proceed at your own risk, CCP.
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How are people going to sell supercaps?
sell them with characters only
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How are people going to advertise services?
no more services, please close down all public poses, ipos, transport services, ts/vent/killboard services, adult services, rare item services (for those items you can't search contract)
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How are people going to run auctions of large number of items?
large number of auctions over the contract system
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How are people going to express the need for services or items?
spam all the market channels like the isk sellers do
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How are people going to trade at work?
either quit work, download eve at work, or use a different forum
(be advised some jokes have been applied to this reply)
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Braaage
Laborius Chapter
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:36:00 -
[53]
After all my BPOs are out of my labs I was going to sell my corp along with it's online anchored POS.
Please tell me how I can do that on contracts?
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Angelik'a
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:37:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Angelik''a on 21/08/2007 13:44:46
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Devon Rotel
Solstice Systems Development Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:37:00 -
[55]
I'll add my voice to most of the others who are saying this is a bad idea.
The 'main' reasons have already been covered.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but all I can think of is that CCP want to lighten the load on the forums and having to mod them.
Ironically, of course, it is the Sell Forum(s) which cause a lot of that load, i.e. they are inherently popular, i.e. people need/enjoy the flexibility that they provide rather than the IG Contract system, which just can't do the same job.
So, coming back to it, maybe it's just a way of moving the forum onto a 3rd party site as others have mentioned.
Dev
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Segge Bolled
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:38:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Segge Bolled on 21/08/2007 13:44:10
Originally by: Entity
Closing down sell orders, the most used forum on this site, is probably going to prove to be a mistake of epic proportions.
How are people going to sell supercaps?
How are people going to advertise services?
How are people going to run auctions of large number of items?
How are people going to express the need for services or items?
How are people going to trade at work?
Contracts are to immature to be a replacement for the functionality and more importantly the flexibility the trade forums offers, which is backed up by the fact it is today still the most used forum on this board.
Proceed at your own risk, CCP.
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Originally by: Stins
So market discussions will become one big dump place for super capitals, shares, services and everything else that cannot be contracted?
Precisely. I could not have put it better myself.
Originally by: Jim McGregor
I estimate this thread to become about 50 pages before the weekend.
Sir, I'll meet your bet and raise you another 25!
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Two step
Amarr
Chosen Path
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:38:00 -
[57]
Features needed in contracts before you can do this:
1) Show the true end time for auctions
2) Allow sniper rules
3) Allow searches of completed contracts
4) Build web interface for searching contracts
5) Allow me to search for just item exchange and auctions, ignoring the WTB scams
6) Allow searches to be saved and easily re-run.
Without that, people are not going to use the in-game tools.
On the plus side, I bet someone could build a *much* better interface for the sell orders than the one big forum full of stuff. So maybe this is a good thing after all....
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ookke
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:41:00 -
[58]
this wont work unless you:
- add search for finished auctions based on item type
- reveal exact auction end times instead of the buggy "less than a hour/day" thingy, add option for real sniper rule instead
Without these two features contracts as the only trading method are really useless
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:41:00 -
[59]
Oh come on CCP, that doesn't make ANY sense at all.
a) The forums are nice to browse: when you cannot play for example.
b) The forums are important for service offers of all sort.
c) The contracts are too limited. The duration is also very short. Furthermore they are not suited for large amounts of items.
d) The forums keep the community alive and happy.
I completely don't understand this step. You have a very nice and also an important feature of your game (in the broader sense). Now you remove that feature. Why? Removing stuff that works and is used a lot is always bad.
Is the load on the servers too large? Well, that should show you only how important these forums are for the community!
Please think about this step again. It is not good for neither you nor for us.
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Intigo
Amarr
The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:42:00 -
[60]
You've done some questionable things in the past, but this takes the cake.
You can not be serious about this change, it's downright foolish.
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