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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:11:00 -
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This is bad, just bad. What was the motivation behind this?
Decrease server load? Those posts will just go to another forum.
Decrease moderation? Those posts will just go another forum.
Please don't increase the spam in the other forums by removing the proper place for these posts. It is nice having a market discussion forum that discuss the markets and is not a market advertising forum. Likewise, General Discussion should not need to become Public Advertising.
I see no problem with combining those (Sell Orders, Want Ads and Trades, trades and more trades) forums into a single forum, but removing them will force their content into other forums, increasing confusion and work load for posters, readers and moderators. Or worse this change will drive all of this business to third party sites where CCP will not have any input.
Originally by: CCP Prism X P.S. If you think you're reading some information through the lines here, you're wrong. I'm actually just bored.
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Tanila01
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:11:00 -
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I hope someone else start trade hub/forum for eve-traders, if ccp not want traffic for main site, good position in google results etc etc, they can remove and all other subforums... they can completly remove eve-online.com site and also completly remove gameserver. Why not ? Wow and many other mmorpg create solution for anyone who want play in mmorgp :).
Close WTB/WTS forum reall insane idea. Someone who offer it must be fired immediatly...
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WildSide
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:12:00 -
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wtf...why did u remove the sale forum?
it was the days highlight....reading what goodies was for sale. IF u ect..bid ingame ure isk is bounded to that bid.
On forum ure isk is free untill the end dato.
Also, it was fun just to watch ppl bid..and see comments about items and such.
Vids produced by me
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DarkMental
Amarr Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:13:00 -
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This idea gets the Dark thumbs down. I can trade at work but I cannot play Eve.
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Mack Dorgeans
Camelot Innovations
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:13:00 -
[245]
I applaud those who will be creating third-party sites to take up the slack.
Clearly CCP's new policy is to do everything they can to force people to use their isk sinks in-game, without even taking the time to put in the features that would be required to make them truly useful.
If they wanted to move trades completely into the game, they should have rolled out an advertising feature (costing isk, of course). As it stands currently, the contracts system just isn't robust enough to handle everything that used to go on in the forum. Besides missing items, the search system is way too limited. If you don't have an EXACT item to search for, you've got to slog through endless poorly sorted pages of listings. Multiple items contracts are absolutely awful for browsing.
Plus, the fee structure and listing limitations are such that high-priced items just aren't worth listing. People are better off saving the money and spamming Jita local with an alt, which is exactly what they will do. Got a T2 ship BPO to sell? Why would you let it sit on a contract auction (even if you ask more to cover the high fees) when you could still be building from it in the meantime?
It's interesting to note that live dev blogs kept getting canceled, when there were clearly some decisions being made that would have benefited from customer feedback. With the announcements that precious little new content or features will be coming until well into next year, other than nerfs, I have to wonder about the future of this game.
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:13:00 -
[246]
Awful decision CCP.
You've now killed a HUGE part of the game for a lot of people. How are people going to sell half the modules that aren't even on the market now? By spending days browsing the contract system?
What about selling items that can't be contracted? Boosters? TS and website hosting?
Way to stifle the creativity of your community.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:14:00 -
[247]
Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 21/08/2007 16:14:54
Quote: A lot of the people whinging are players that make isk from doing nothing except buying modules and the like for below market prices from newer players and reselling them. The advantage of the forums is that many newer players don't look there....
No,, thats what people do *through* the game. And its not the stuff that appears on the market that people sell on the sell forums. Tell me, what of this:
BS BPCs ALL Types - All Races BLOW OUT PRICING ME50 [AUCTION] T2 Mining Crystal BPO Blowout! [Auction] Selling one Gallente *** NYX *** mothership Mozana 28 [AUCTION] Javelin M BPO [WTS] Dominix + Rigs and Modules WTS: Capital Ships & More Tiara`s Capital shipyard. Carriers in stock [Auction] NYX The Capital Ship Yard ** large stock ** WTS Megathron Navy Issue with rigs Dreads..Carriers..and Mod's..oh my! [WTS]All Dreads and Carriers cheap and easy [WTS] Electron Bomb BPO ME20 PE20 [Auction] Reactive Plating II Blueprint Original [SERVICE] Highsec POS labs, Website back up!!
Sounds like new-player gear bought under-cost? The rigged mega is all i can think of. ONE ITEM from a whole page?
Quote:
Alternatively, you might think I'm being harsh and instead think that the sell forums are used by players that make isk from selling something that is not really making them 'play' the game (eg, web-hosting services, animation of character, signatures blah blah blah).
Out of game services, maybe they arent for the sell forum. But in game services? Fuel hauling? pos slots? Players need an out-of-game anchor to advertise from.
Improve Market Competition!
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:15:00 -
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With the way contracts currently work I don¦t like that one little bit for reasons people on 9 pages before me mentioned. _______________________________________________
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Shadow 1031
Babylon. Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:17:00 -
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Wow..... BAD BAD BAD idea, not only will this more than double the lag on the database servers which already seem to be well overloaded, but it also screws alot of people from having and out of game source of trading the can access from computers at their works that are not able to log into the game. I must agree with 95% of all the posts already made "EPIC ERROR"
Devs, reconsider this will only cause problems for the whole eve community
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:19:00 -
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Since contracts we've seen the WTS forums change alot. People have taken alot of the stuff that can be done in game, into the game.
Hell i even managed to shift BC bpo's for more isk in Jita then I did here.
But thats the thing, to get the best price, everyone has to go to one place.
This will lead to MEGA JITA for all items that can go in game.
And kills the market for everything that feasably cant work in contracts.
**** **** **** plan
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Agatho Daimon
Amarr MASS
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:21:00 -
[251]
This idea is so bad ccp yeah yeah yeah ... |
General Apocalypse
Amarr The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:22:00 -
[252]
Edited by: General Apocalypse on 21/08/2007 16:21:44 Worst Ideea EVER
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Zathuraa
Applied Cyronics
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:22:00 -
[253]
Well cya all on some 3rd party site!
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Pallidum Treponema
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:23:00 -
[254]
This is the most ridiculous idea I've heard in ages.
Problem 1: A majority of buy orders in the contract system are scams. Sellers are therefore reluctant to sell to buy-orders in the contract system. Even if they were so inclined, the amount of scam buy-orders make it difficult to locate the ones that are valid.
Problem 2: The contract system offers no way of advertising services. Maintainers of website hosting, killboards, research services etc will have no means to advertise their services.
Problem 3: The contract system offers no way of setting up recurring orders. A corporation that wishes to purchase for instance 10 million units of tritanium per month will have no way of easily finding a supplier.
Problem 4: The contract system offers no way of establishing the reliability of the seller. A capital ships supplier with hundreds of orders and dozens of posts in their thread can be relied upon as a trustworthy seller that will live up to their claims. Within the contract system, there is no way of ensuring that your business partner will be able to deliver a certain order.
Problem 5: The contract system offers no way of advertising multiple items or services. A supplier of for instance freighters and components will have no way of saying "I can sell all four kinds of freighters, or provide the components for you to build them" within the contract system.
Problem 6: While all of the above can be solved by third party websites, outside of the control of CCP, that will be frequented by FAR less people than those who access the eve-online.com forums, this ALSO means that any sales of illegal items, such as those aquired through macro isk farming, account hacking or other means will be harder for CCP to monitor and take action against.
These are just the problems I can identify straight away. It would also take something quite valuable away from the community, namely the fact that these services all become visible to the public.
Look at it as a bazaar, where both new and old players can stroll around and see what's available out there. Without the market forums, a lot of new players would miss out on finding out about research POSes when they're trying to find out where to buy their first navy raven. Even as an experienced player, there's been plenty of times that I've gone to the sales forums to look for a specific item, only to end up reading thread after thread about a new item or service that I didn't even know existed.
CCP, please reconsider as the market forums are a very valuable resource for the community.
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Del ReyII
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:24:00 -
[255]
? WHY ?
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Lady Melon
KOVEN Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:26:00 -
[256]
Just so many reasons for "Hmmm, bad idea, mkay!" to list.
Besides, most of them have already been listed, countless times.
!!! Save our Trading Forums !!!
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Ice Globe
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:26:00 -
[257]
Your kidding right?
They'll be no place for services or negotiations.
Epic fail.
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Popsikle
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:27:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Bellhop Think it's time not just for a 3rd party sell forum, but a complete alt Eve Online forum. Fix 2 problems in one go.
Linkage ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime. |
Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:29:00 -
[259]
Adding my head to the angry rabble. Plz plz plz say this will be like the tractor beam BPO incident & abandoned.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:32:00 -
[260]
well i dont see any reason the market forums offers the option to just browse and buy stuff you would have never thought off. Not to mention that when you are offering a lot of items you'll have to pay a lot of taxes and this cuts down your profit.
Anyhow ill hope that a 3rd party site will be established where a lot of ppl offer their stuff.
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:33:00 -
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This really is a poorly thought out idea. I appreciate that your forums kind of suck, and that I'm sure they take a lot of maintenance and upkeep. Hell they may even cause undue stress on your servers. However, you will be removing a tool for out of game communication that is critical to a healthy market. The forums tend to help people establish demand, check prices, get immediate feedback on their sales etc.
In addition, your contract system is still bulky, restrictive, and there are items that are either not in the contract system or that can not be placed on contract. In addition, the forums are an excellent sales tool for production based characters and corps that produce items way outside of the limits allowed by the contract system ie. mass producers of modules, cap ship components, blueprint copies, and T2 BPOs.
Your contract system does not allow dutch auctions, it does not allow flexible buyouts or reserves. It does not allow the bulk auction of items with separate buyouts. Finding specific items if you do not know the names of them is nearly impossible. In addition, the ability to browse by auction title fails miserably.
I can not stress this point enough. Even IF your contract system was perfect, which it is a long way from, the ability to OOG market and trade is essential to a healthy player economy and by eliminating it from the eve-o forums you'll simply see it either gravitate towards general discussion or towards another forum completely. If that is what you want, you should close the eve-o forums completely and let someone who is more prepared to deal with it take over.
Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Sales Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Discussion
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Harisdrop
Gallente Omega Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:33:00 -
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I agree with this change.
It will make the blueprints channel a million links a second.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:34:00 -
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please tell me that your economist, dr eieio, is NOT behind this incredibly horrible plan to get rid of the buy/sell forums.
the contract system well, it rather is suckadacious
at any rate, with only reading the announcement post and not the plethora of replies -- i have to say this announcement is as bad, if not worse, than the bob proclamations of a year ago that the goons would no longer exist.
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spurious signal
Caldari Brainiacs
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:35:00 -
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What the heck?
I've made a number of posts in the past asking for the old sell orders forum to be split up into multiple seperate forums because of the huge traffic.... I was very happy to come back to EVE after 6 months away to find that this had actually happened!
And now you turn that round 100% and close ALL of them? WTF? Do you people not realise how rubbish your contracts system is? Escrow was BETTER, contracts SUCK. Worst UI design ever and given how poor the EVE UI is in general that's saying something.
Whoever made this decision is either insane or stupid, I'm not sure which yet.
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Grobie
Caldari Trolltech Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:37:00 -
[265]
Lol, CCP you cant be serious!
As an avid user of contracts (I sell BPCs for a living) - it strikes me as premature and WAY to early to even consider Contracts to be a replacement of the forums.
Contracts are so slow using when you need to wade through lots of different stuff (have you ever tried to find say: good faction guns for a good price. Do you know how often that stupid module list pops up if looking for all variants of a certain module on contracts)
in genral: the search functionality is limited to a few options you deem enough.
And you cant BROWSE for cheapies ... or stuff that hits your eye on the forum - you always have to know 100% exactly what you want from contracts -- </Life> |
Hexxx
Minmatar ironwood ink
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:39:00 -
[266]
Bad. Idea.
I've posted on this before:
Contacts can not be used for Services!!! NO! NO! NO!
Contracts can not be used to transfer Shares!
Hexxx LLP - Business Consulting Services - IPO's, Business Plans, Share/Stock Pricing, and general Consulting.
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Soldur
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:40:00 -
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While I know that these forums may cause extra lag for the server (or whatever reason they are being removed) I wish there was a way to keep these forums. As I have read the newest post in the sell order forums I understand the reason that they are being removed, will there be any in game changes the help with the removal of these forums. As for me and IÆm sure quite a few of the other players that use these forums they make it easy to buy items remotely. Since these forums are being removed will there also be a new way ingame to buy items when you arenÆt in the same region or bid on items when you arenÆt in the same region as I think this is one of the main reason that people use the forums. It is a bit hard to bid and buy items that you need when you are 45jumps from the region where the auction/sell of the items is taking place. This post is not meant as a complaint but more as just questioning if the ingame contract market is going to be altered in light of the new changes being made on the forums. I look forward to seeing other players ideas and issues on this situation.
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Soldur
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:41:00 -
[268]
maybe chribba can set somethin us and save us all...plz
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Fabricati Diem
Burleigh and Strong
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:42:00 -
[269]
Please reconsider this.
While the forums were serving as an alternative to the contract system, they became more robust than the contract system. The forums are a superior method of trading than contracts.
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: spurious signal What the heck?Escrow was BETTER, contracts SUCK. Worst UI design ever and given how poor the EVE UI is in general that's saying something.
LOOOL, that made my day.
I know the contract system is not perfect, but saying Escrow was better than Contract must be the biggest joke since the birth of EVE
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