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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.08.21 12:24:00 -
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With the contract system and market in game we have decided to close down the trading forums. They were created as a solution to a problem which is now resolved with the contracts system and it is now time to take all trading back in game. These forums have been locked for new threads but you will be able to finish the current trades. The market forums (Sell Orders, Want Ads and Trades, trades and more trades) will be completely removed on Monday two weeks from now, 2007.09.03, giving everyone enough time to finish existing trades. We have also added the Character and Timecode Bazaar forum, which is for selling characters and timecodes only.
Since we now have the CCG website with forums we will be closing down the CCG forums, they will however remain in as read only forums as a form of archive. Instead you will be able to use the CCG website forums to discuss the CCG.
There may be some issues with replying to existing threads in the trade forums, this is caused by caching and should be cleared up in a while.
Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online
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Bruno Bonner
Gallente Lutin Group
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Posted - 2007.08.21 12:36:00 -
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you guys sure of this? this will put 10 times more stress on the contract system queries to the database.
well good luck is all i can say ------ aka BinderAJ |
Xiano
Gallente Xindustry
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Posted - 2007.08.21 12:37:00 -
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Did you not think it might be a nice idea to post a link to this thread at the top of each forum (Sell, buy, trades) as it took me a while to figure out what was going on.
Also, how do you suggest we go about selling items that can not be contracted? (i.e Motherships)
Also, you say we will be able to finish current trades, but we can not reply in topics already posted?
Xiano
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CCP Garthagk
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Posted - 2007.08.21 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Xiano Also, you say we will be able to finish current trades, but we can not reply in topics already posted?
This should fix itself in the next 30 minutes (or so).
When I closed the forums I did it wrong so it caused them to be completely closed instead of only closed to new topics. Now we're just waiting out the cache timer on the web servers to allow replies again.
Sorry about that.
-------------- Garthagk - EVE Web Guy
To err is human to really ***** up takes admins. -Hellmar |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.21 12:42:00 -
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Seriously? You're closing down the Sell Orders and Want Ads?! Browsing the contract system in-game is just as fun as... well it's not fun at all.
Maybe it's time to open another 3rd party forum for the sell and buy orders...
Help me help you. |
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Dr Aryandi
Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2007.08.21 12:49:00 -
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Ok, I can see how an argument can be made for things like auctions and sell orders being replaced by contracts. I don't really have a problem with that although I did like browsing the sell order forum from time to time.
But how about services?
My research service gets around half of its business from the sell order forum post (the rest is word of mouth with a few from the Eon ad). I imagine other services are similar.
The contracts does not provide a suitable forum for me to advertise 'can research any BPO you like much faster than empire labs and without you needing to train skills'.
Blueprint Research Service Available See thread for details.
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 12:52:00 -
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Wrong Wrong Wrong
This is going to cause you big problems
Why would you do this? You have a contract system ingame but the forums have been this way for SO longu can't take them away
its WRONG
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Dr Aryandi
Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2007.08.21 12:53:00 -
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Oh and are you going to increase the two week maximum time on contracts, or at least let us renew after two weeks without paying the broker fees again?
How about ways to issue one contract for multiple items the same?
i.e. if I have 10 BPCs for sale then I want to issue one contract where each time someone accepts they get one of the ten BPCs.
Blueprint Research Service Available See thread for details.
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Entity
X-Factor Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 12:53:00 -
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Closing down sell orders, the most used forum on this site, is probably going to prove to be a mistake of epic proportions.
How are people going to sell supercaps? How are people going to advertise services? How are people going to run auctions of large number of items? How are people going to express the need for services or items? How are people going to trade at work?
Contracts are to immature to be a replacement for the functionality and more importantly the flexibility the trade forums offers, which is backed up by the fact it is today still the most used forum on this board.
Proceed at your own risk, CCP.
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Deckerx
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.08.21 12:56:00 -
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this is such BS --- the forums for sale orders is part of the fun .... how are people going to sell Motherships in game on the contract system ( hum they cant). And how are people going to advertise that they can build stuff (byom) or research stuff. It makes no sense to close down the forums when so many people use them on a daily basis. There are days i never sign on eve but i do check the forums. I hope and feel you will get alot of bad response over this drastic change.
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Stins
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:02:00 -
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So market discussions will become one big dump place for super capitals, shares, services and everything else that cannot be contracted?
Stins, ISS Finance Director
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Xiaodown
Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:03:00 -
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EPIC FAILSVILLE.
When my corp in empire was selling compressed trit, most of our business came from the sales forum. I mean, who's going to search the contracts for "40,000 passive targeters"? Come on now.
1.) No services (this includes sig creation, teamspeak, mineral compression, pre-ordering BPC's, research corps selling research space, etc) will be sold. 2.) Supercaps can't be contracted. 3.) Plus all that other crap entity said.
Good lord, folks. That ain't the way to go. That's like saying "We have a mall now, so no one can build a store anywhere but the mall".
When Chribba and Entity hop on it this quickly, you should re-evaluate.
~Will
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Virginija
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:03:00 -
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That will not work, people will move on to the 3rd party forums.
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Nightsabre
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:03:00 -
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*checks date* nope not april 1st...
Ive seen so many nerfs over the years, but a forum nerf? who would of thought it!
Why not remove the corp and alliance area, theres chat channels in eve, and well with eve voice, who needs them forums!
Seriously... wtf? the contract system is touchy at best, can you imagine the hits on the contract system now in jita? hell if anything you want to be moving contract system out of game, and giving it some kinda web interfact, not the other way around...
Chribba, get them forums ready!
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Level4
Minmatar Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Seriously? You're closing down the Sell Orders and Want Ads?! Browsing the contract system in-game is just as fun as... well it's not fun at all.
Maybe it's time to open another 3rd party forum for the sell and buy orders...
Agreed Chribba, time for another 3rd party forum. join channel "Profit".
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Jefferson Dubois
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Jefferson Dubois on 21/08/2007 13:17:01 Wow this was not well thought out.
Not against it, if some thought and prep had been put into the decision and game mechanics supported being able to contract any item. It took players about 3 minutes to shoot 100 holes in this. Bookmarked for entertaining reading throughout the day.
Good luck today, I think your going to need it.
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Dian Cecht
Omnicorp Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:07:00 -
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You can't view the price history of items on contract. So if a rare item has no current contracts, you can't determine how much you should set the price for. With the forums you could search and find the previous auctions etc.
Dian
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Zephirz
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:07:00 -
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Right. well in that case i think the contract system could use some changes...
Allow ANY and ALL items on contracts. depending on sec status. So i CAN contract Boosters in low-sec or 0.0 (why not in lowsec, it doesnt have police right?)
Make it so i can BID on an auction from anywhere in the universe.
The fun of the trading forums was looking for good deals, reselling, trading illegal items, supercaps, BPO's... Browsing the sell orders forum, buying and selling items are a big part of what i liked to do. Now that has been reduced to updating my contracts and HOPING someone will spot MY contract between the FLOOD of contracts thats going to come.
I do not like this change I think it is unnecesary and once again changes eve to a more complicated, less easy to use game.
bah.
zephirz
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Jess Ica
Gallente Star Productions and Research
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Deckerx this is such BS --- the forums for sale orders is part of the fun .... how are people going to sell Motherships in game on the contract system ( hum they cant). And how are people going to advertise that they can build stuff (byom) or research stuff. It makes no sense to close down the forums when so many people use them on a daily basis. There are days i never sign on eve but i do check the forums. I hope and feel you will get alot of bad response over this drastic change.
Exactly.....i myself think it's a pain to look in the contract system for BPO's and stuff like that...advertising is also gone and the trade channels will be even more spammed with sh** which could be easily posted in a forum post.
Instead of closing a forum which is VERY used and VERY usefull better stop doing stupid changes and get rid of the Trial system so there won't be that many ISK scammers anymore....all trade channels are full with them most of the day.
Or do other changes which help improve the gameplay as Jita lags as ususal and even with the many new hardware upgrades it's almost no difference....but closing the forums (WTS/WTB) is the biggest joke and error u guys can do....absolute bad....ppl can't check on auctions from work or see what ppl have to sell...i myself can't be bothered to look half a day through the contract system to find good deals or items/BPO's i might want and i guess there and many who think the same....in the forums u can check in 15min all that's new which would take hours of gameplay shuffleing thought the contract system.
Hope u guys change ur mind but this really sucks!
Big thumb down for this useless change Research Service!
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Jess Ica
Gallente Star Productions and Research
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jess Ica on 21/08/2007 13:11:52 double post sorry Research Service!
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Zephirz
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:10:00 -
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Oh i know.
Now anyone who wants to be a proper resellers is going to need a new alt every couple of regions to reacht eh auction quickly.
Yay more accounts for CCP. now i see how you guys are going to reack the 150k members":-/
A really ghey decision if i may say so
zephirz
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Drackx
Grumpy Old Men
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:11:00 -
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:-) nice, just back from holiday and fresh Nerf ideas
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How are people going to sell supercaps? How are people going to advertise services? How are people going to run auctions of large number of items? How are people going to express the need for services or items? How are people going to trade at work?
Add the following;
- what about the supercost when you add items that cost 10 billion or more? - what about the item offering time limited to 2 weeks only?
We all understand the reason why it was created, and we can even understand that you want to remove it. But you guys have to understand that if you take something away outgame you have to give us something back ingame that at least covers the above mentioned functionality.
Comon guys, just think about it. We cannot make publicity for certain items or services ingame so that's why we did it outgame! Give us space billboards or let us write on the hull of our ships or POS'es, give us a publicity agent...
Drackx
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Arrs Grazznic
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:11:00 -
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Epic fail.
Originally by: Entity Closing down sell orders, the most used forum on this site, is probably going to prove to be a mistake of epic proportions.
How are people going to sell supercaps? How are people going to advertise services? How are people going to run auctions of large number of items? How are people going to express the need for services or items? How are people going to trade at work?
Contracts are to immature to be a replacement for the functionality and more importantly the flexibility the trade forums offers, which is backed up by the fact it is today still the most used forum on this board.
Proceed at your own risk, CCP.
QFT
Originally by: Stins So market discussions will become one big dump place for super capitals, shares, services and everything else that cannot be contracted?
So true, it will be a mess.
CCP, I strongly recommend that you reconsider.
Cheers, Arrs
FireStar are now recruiting
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Wadaya
Caldari Trailerpark Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:12:00 -
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I hope you guys have thought this through, trimming down the forums is fine and all, but having the contract system take on an increase of roughly 1000% in queries is bound to have an adverse affect on the not so stable but mostly stable dbase. Kind of like what is happening right this moment.
Wad
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Elliott Manchild
omen.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Elliott Manchild on 21/08/2007 13:17:45 So now instead of just being able to surf forums to buy stuff I have try search contracts for something I want then find out I can't bid/buy it because im in the wrong region. Forums don't care where I am. Also at the moment EVE is laggy half the time now days. Also means we have to use trade channels 90% of time which are spammed 24/7 by ISK sellers.
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Ieu Duin
Amarr Star Sabre Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler With the contract system and market in game we have decided to close down the trading forums.
This is a bad thing. It makes no sense. There is a level of discussion and interaction here on the forums that can never be equaled with the contracts system. The purpose for doing this is to force players to use the contracts system CCP spent money and manpower developing. That is not good decision making and CCPs refusal to even bring it up in the announcement that these forums were closing only serves to advance the idea that it is a bad decision.
I can understand the desire to constrain game activities and try to focus them towards game play, but it is never a good idea to limit player's resources. Trading and contracts are going to suffer as a result of the decision to close down these forums.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have also added the Character and Timecode Bazaar forum, which is for selling characters and timecodes only.
This is a good decision, but CCP should have stopped there.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:17:00 -
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Yeah, mistake.
Chribba, we need a 3rd party site within two weeks. Get *****ing.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon. Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:18:00 -
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What about unsupported forms of trade ?
Lotteries, POS Moon Auction Location Trades and other various trades ?
The in game system isnt as lively as the forums, and EVE will be less for removing them :..(
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Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Wadaya I hope you guys have thought this through, trimming down the forums is fine and all, but having the contract system take on an increase of roughly 1000% in queries is bound to have an adverse affect on the not so stable but mostly stable dbase. Kind of like what is happening right this moment.
Wad
This. This idea seems to run counter to that whole "Need for Speed" thing you guys keep trumpeting.
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PC5
Bermuda Syndrome
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:19:00 -
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NO!!!
I try to hold my emotions inside me but... can you tell us at last WHO decided to close those forums? It was said 'we' so should it means developers? Whos giving such ideas? Names please! One of worst decisions i ever saw in this game.
If you want us to use ingame system then IMPROVE IT! Why? Let me quote someone :
Originally by: Entity
* Closing down sell orders, the most used forum on this site * How are people going to sell supercaps? * How are people going to advertise services? * How are people going to run auctions of large number of items? * How are people going to express the need for services or items? * How are people going to trade at work?
Contracts are to immature to be a replacement for the functionality and more importantly the flexibility the trade forums offers, which is backed up by the fact it is today still the most used forum on this board.
Proceed at your own risk, CCP.
No wonder why theres no annoucment about breaking curent record of loged players on server for months when you make such decisions!
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:20:00 -
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can you remove the fact that it's impossible to bid to other region?
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Nadraas
Antipodean inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:21:00 -
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Early April fools?? Honestly no way.
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Digital Anarchist
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:22:00 -
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I hope you reconsider this decision, the contract system is not versatile enough to cover all forms of trade. Besides, a forum is a community and an important part of the marketplace. Get your fix today |
Aceoil
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:22:00 -
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How am I supposed to "search" for the previous price on "Super duper invul field"? I use the forums to see what the average price has been going back a year or so. Especially when there are none for sale in any region?
Now you have taken away that search tool.
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Vegeta
Minmatar Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:23:00 -
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Worst decision ever.
The auction system is still nowhere near to being completed. Right now it's a skeleton waiting to have the rest of its body delivered.
Contract browsing/searching is still abysmal and has the inherent problem of being spammed by [Want to Buy] scam attempts. The naming structure, lack of and decent description only add to these problems.
Not only that, but these forums are what create a sense of community among traders. They let us link back to the days when a Crow BPO was sold for 500m and give us somewhere to look to when we need to know the price of our officer module. Remove them and take away a huge part of our community.
Whoever thought of this should have chairs thrown at them.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:24:00 -
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less forum spam more in game play
its always a good change ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn |
ZaKma
Seraphin Technologies Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:25:00 -
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Sometimes I get the feeling CCP is just trying to give people more and more work for no real reason.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/08/2007 13:35:14
Lets see how it turns out, but the Contract system is not exactly popular. I estimate this thread to become about 50 pages before the weekend.
Its a brave move. ---
Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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Shophix
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:26:00 -
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If you are going to eliminate buy/sell forums and replace them by the contracts system it is crucial that any item is contractible. Last time I checked this was not the case. |
Kaar
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:29:00 -
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Wow...
Dunno what happened to CCP over the summer but I think you guys really need a rollback.
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:29:00 -
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I would like to know who makes these types of decitions, because the person making them must not play the game very much or must not USE the forums much to sell/buy
Do you even know what affect this will have on eveyone?
NO I think NOT!
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Auraurious
Silentium.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:29:00 -
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this is so stupid its unbelievable, no price history? no services? no super caps? the list goes on.
i have to be frank and say this is just plain ******** _____________________________________________
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Hamalicious
Middle Finger Technology
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Hamalicious on 21/08/2007 13:30:25 Nothing really to add other than wow, ballsy and not though through.
What am I going to do at work now!
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kappas. on 21/08/2007 13:30:22 Any item needs to be contractable You need to advertise services Ability to accept/bid a contract in other regions Ability to set wildcard searches (ie just invulnerability field - not SoandSo's Modified Ivuln) Soooo many scam WTB orders Supercapital sales
The list goes on.
To be brutally honest, if you had made a contract system that wasn't totally ****, no-one would use the sell orders forums anyway :|
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Phoenix Pryde
Caldari 3-I Area 42
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:30:00 -
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my reaction was a straight out ... WTF ? lol ? 1st April ?
Anyway, you gotta be joking ? Closing the MARKET forums ? In a game where the player driven market is one of the Centerpieces ?
Contracts dont nearly come close to replace all thats done via the market forums.
The forums are needed for advertising mostly, which simply cant be done in game. They give a better overview, and additionally there are some things that cant be sold on market or via contracts.
And i m saying that even though our sales are mostly conducted via TRUST, and not here ... but the Market forums are irreplacable imo. You can replace the guy who came up with the braindead idea of shutting them down though :P
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:31:00 -
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how do we bid while server is down?
contract finish 5 hours after DT
buyout on a nice item is 5b before DT last bid was 100m
DT goes wrong, 7 hours added to DT
PROFIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bellhop
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:31:00 -
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Think it's time not just for a 3rd party sell forum, but a complete alt Eve Online forum. Fix 2 problems in one go.
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Dr Aryandi
Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: PC5
If you want us to use ingame system then IMPROVE IT! Why? Let me quote someone :
I think that is the key issue here.
The way to get more people into contracts and off the forums is to make contracts better, not try and stop the alternatives.
At the point the forums are hardly being used because everyone has moved to contracts THAT is the point at which the forums can be closed.
Right now my advert spams off the front page within an hour or two of being posted. That's not good but implies to me that contracts and the forums both need work, not that the forums need to be closed down - because they are obviously both popular and get the job done!
Blueprint Research Service Available See thread for details.
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:33:00 -
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Actually, freeform contracts should work for advertising most of the stuff currently done in the sale forum. Will be a bit of a pain to get used to search for stuff though.
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Angelik'a
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Bellhop Think it's time not just for a 3rd party sell forum, but a complete alt Eve Online forum. Fix 2 problems in one go.
Linkage
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Big Al
The Aftermath Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:34:00 -
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Wow, and I thought the other crap you've done was really stupid. This requires an entire new classification.
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evil's toy
horizons GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: evil''s toy on 21/08/2007 13:36:00
Originally by: Entity Closing down sell orders, the most used forum on this site, is probably going to prove to be a mistake of epic proportions.
How are people going to sell supercaps? How are people going to advertise services? How are people going to run auctions of large number of items? How are people going to express the need for services or items? How are people going to trade at work?
Contracts are to immature to be a replacement for the functionality and more importantly the flexibility the trade forums offers, which is backed up by the fact it is today still the most used forum on this board.
Proceed at your own risk, CCP.
Quote: How are people going to sell supercaps?
sell them with characters only
Quote: How are people going to advertise services?
no more services, please close down all public poses, ipos, transport services, ts/vent/killboard services, adult services, rare item services (for those items you can't search contract)
Quote: How are people going to run auctions of large number of items?
large number of auctions over the contract system
Quote: How are people going to express the need for services or items?
spam all the market channels like the isk sellers do
Quote: How are people going to trade at work?
either quit work, download eve at work, or use a different forum
(be advised some jokes have been applied to this reply)
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Braaage
Laborius Chapter
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:36:00 -
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After all my BPOs are out of my labs I was going to sell my corp along with it's online anchored POS.
Please tell me how I can do that on contracts? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- eve-guides.com POS, Outpost and Sovereignty info |
Angelik'a
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Angelik''a on 21/08/2007 13:44:46
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Devon Rotel
Solstice Systems Development Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:37:00 -
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I'll add my voice to most of the others who are saying this is a bad idea. The 'main' reasons have already been covered.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but all I can think of is that CCP want to lighten the load on the forums and having to mod them. Ironically, of course, it is the Sell Forum(s) which cause a lot of that load, i.e. they are inherently popular, i.e. people need/enjoy the flexibility that they provide rather than the IG Contract system, which just can't do the same job.
So, coming back to it, maybe it's just a way of moving the forum onto a 3rd party site as others have mentioned.
Dev
-If you have a fitting problem, if no skill can help, and if you can find the Contracts, maybe you can do business with... Dev's Cosmos shop- |
Segge Bolled
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Segge Bolled on 21/08/2007 13:44:10
Originally by: Entity Closing down sell orders, the most used forum on this site, is probably going to prove to be a mistake of epic proportions.
How are people going to sell supercaps? How are people going to advertise services? How are people going to run auctions of large number of items? How are people going to express the need for services or items? How are people going to trade at work?
Contracts are to immature to be a replacement for the functionality and more importantly the flexibility the trade forums offers, which is backed up by the fact it is today still the most used forum on this board.
Proceed at your own risk, CCP.
and,
Originally by: Stins So market discussions will become one big dump place for super capitals, shares, services and everything else that cannot be contracted?
Precisely. I could not have put it better myself.
Originally by: Jim McGregor I estimate this thread to become about 50 pages before the weekend.
Sir, I'll meet your bet and raise you another 25!
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Two step
Amarr Chosen Path FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:38:00 -
[57]
Features needed in contracts before you can do this:
1) Show the true end time for auctions 2) Allow sniper rules 3) Allow searches of completed contracts 4) Build web interface for searching contracts 5) Allow me to search for just item exchange and auctions, ignoring the WTB scams 6) Allow searches to be saved and easily re-run.
Without that, people are not going to use the in-game tools.
On the plus side, I bet someone could build a *much* better interface for the sell orders than the one big forum full of stuff. So maybe this is a good thing after all....
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ookke
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:41:00 -
[58]
this wont work unless you:
- add search for finished auctions based on item type - reveal exact auction end times instead of the buggy "less than a hour/day" thingy, add option for real sniper rule instead
Without these two features contracts as the only trading method are really useless
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:41:00 -
[59]
Oh come on CCP, that doesn't make ANY sense at all.
a) The forums are nice to browse: when you cannot play for example.
b) The forums are important for service offers of all sort.
c) The contracts are too limited. The duration is also very short. Furthermore they are not suited for large amounts of items.
d) The forums keep the community alive and happy.
I completely don't understand this step. You have a very nice and also an important feature of your game (in the broader sense). Now you remove that feature. Why? Removing stuff that works and is used a lot is always bad.
Is the load on the servers too large? Well, that should show you only how important these forums are for the community!
Please think about this step again. It is not good for neither you nor for us.
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Intigo
Amarr The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:42:00 -
[60]
You've done some questionable things in the past, but this takes the cake.
You can not be serious about this change, it's downright foolish. --
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Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:43:00 -
[61]
You not gonna close down the in-game trade chans too? They got isk sellers spamming the crap out of them. Frankly after petitioning houndreds of them I haven't seen any decrease or effort on CCP's side to clean up the mess these chans is.
Removing the forum trade chans must be a gift to ISK sellers.
As many mentioned, the ingame contract system is lacking big time. Any improvements coming soon?
For a game that advocate comunity building, well trading is a great part of the EVE comunity. When you can't seem to fix what need to be fixed why make it even harder? Geeze.
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:43:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Two step
On the plus side, I bet someone could build a *much* better interface for the sell orders than the one big forum full of stuff. So maybe this is a good thing after all....
I think something like that would need full time moderation anyway to not completely become crap. ---
Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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Raem Civrie
Sons of Enelaise Enelaise
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:43:00 -
[63]
Time to move trading to SHC.
I mean hell, the Contract system is rigid and does not support the sort of vast feature set to completely replace the Sell Forum. The sell forum allowed me to do pricechecks with ease that the contract system does not.
"Hey bob, I just got a kitten. Time to shoot the horse, we don't need that old thing anymore. We'll just ride the kitty!"
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Aramendel
Amarr Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:44:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Aramendel on 21/08/2007 13:46:30 Uh... as someone who does heavily contract trading and almost no forum trading I can say its a horrible idea to close the trade forums. There is much for what the trade forums are simply better. Supercaps, officer items, t2 bpos...I would never sell those over contracts (and you cannot either in the case of supercaps).
The trade chat ingame is no solution for that, since it is heavy spammed by isk sellers (limiting chat access for trials would greatly improve that though) and you reach only a very small amount of people compared to the trade forums.
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:46:00 -
[65]
person A at work would be happy to pay 5b for that item on contract but he can't since... hes at WORK!
so the seller only get 3b because person B bidded 3b....
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Shin Ra
Origin Unknown.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:46:00 -
[66]
So what about no contract things? Shares for example. And How do you expect people to sell motherships and titans now as these can't be done via contract?
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Shin Ra
Origin Unknown.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:47:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Raem Civrie Time to move trading to SHC.
Also, THIS!!!
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SFShootme
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:47:00 -
[68]
Gogo chribba, create us another 3rd party website that will replace this terrible loss to the eve community
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NovaPod
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:47:00 -
[69]
In case the contract system would be so wonderfull like stated nobody would use sellorders forum etc. But guess what there are good uses for it and to close that without any valid reason is ridiculous and only trying to hassle players for no reason.
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Pater Deus
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:47:00 -
[70]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler With the contract system and market in game we have decided to close down the trading forums.
Very bad, wrong, not thinked over, unconsiderate, game lag promoter, awkward, inconsistent with eficency, against players interests... action, from EVE non player game managers who just cannot bear the idea of growing their player base through common good and centered actions that benefit EVE player sectors.
If you two -you the one thought first this 'grandiose idea' and you, who supported and took action- think the contract system is better and faster than public forums, where as a side effect many players -EVE entrepeneurs to be- see and learn how to interact with other interested parties, if you two think this is good... you two are wrong
EVE is cluttered with lag, if you two have not noticed.
S**t! This is so upsetting!
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Vito Parabellum
Fivrelde Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:48:00 -
[71]
Are you looking for ways to upset the community? You think your contract system is user friendly enough to replace? Then why cant I see when an auction ends? Why isn't there a reserve? Where's the sniper rule? And how are you supposed to play at work dammit?! You gonna make an web interface?
Hope you reconsider but I have little hope.
------ When you say "no one's perfect", Chuck Norris takes this as a personal insult.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:49:00 -
[72]
Then make contracts browsable out of game. ----- J-I-T-A It's a four letter word. |
zacuis
Darkest Knights
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:49:00 -
[73]
NO NO NO NO NO NO !!!!!!!!!!
DO NOT DO THIS !!!!!!!
u guys have finally gone mad!!!
u cant remove that fourm its my favourite read for a start not to mention all the things that are sold there that u cant contract. perhaps i should right u a small list
MS`s titans research corp`s standing services sig sales iop`s share sales spy info
omg one of the devs woke up thinking that the contract system he created was so perfect he could do way with the sales forums. how increadably arrogant
u got a long long way to go with the contract system before u can do this FOOLS!!!!!!!!!! been a long time since something annoyed me enought to rant like that btw lol
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Kery Syander
DNR
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:50:00 -
[74]
Awful idea given the current state of the contract system. There are so many things that you can't do with the contract system currently. ----- look, i'm orange |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:50:00 -
[75]
I have a forum at evelocal.com, not sure if that is what is needed but it has been a part of my "new"/"unfinished" site for long, maybe it is a good time to show it now heh.
Help me help you. |
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Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:50:00 -
[76]
When absolutely nothing could possibly go wrong, CCP find a way to up the ante.
Just wanted to say this is a bad idea, really bad idea, in fact it's a milestone in the history of bad ideas.
Originally by: High Sierra note to self: dont ever say anything to anyone on the internet about anything ever again.
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Vando
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:51:00 -
[77]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler With the contract system and market in game we have decided to close down the trading forums. They were created as a solution to a problem which is now resolved with the contracts system
Wrong. Do you even play your own game?
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Milena Rage
The Aftermath Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:52:00 -
[78]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler With the contract system and market in game we have decided to close down the trading forums. They were created as a solution to a problem which is now resolved with the contracts system and it is now time to take all trading back in game. These forums have been locked for new threads but you will be able to finish the current trades. The market forums (Sell Orders, Want Ads and Trades, trades and more trades) will be completely removed on Monday two weeks from now, 2007.09.03, giving everyone enough time to finish existing trades. We have also added the Character and Timecode Bazaar forum, which is for selling characters and timecodes only.
Since we now have the CCG website with forums we will be closing down the CCG forums, they will however remain in as read only forums as a form of archive. Instead you will be able to use the CCG website forums to discuss the CCG.
There may be some issues with replying to existing threads in the trade forums, this is caused by caching and should be cleared up in a while.
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:53:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Chribba I have a forum at evelocal.com, not sure if that is what is needed but it has been a part of my "new"/"unfinished" site for long, maybe it is a good time to show it now heh.
Signing up now Chribba - make it good!
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SHC Derek
We Know Derek Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:54:00 -
[80]
Don't worry guys, I'm sure the SHC Marketplace can be expanded to replicate the classic market forums experience
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ElrondMD
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:55:00 -
[81]
Seriously, CCP actually thought this was a change that would benefit the Eve community?
Why screw with something thats developed so well?
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:55:00 -
[82]
Originally by: SHC Derek Don't worry guys, I'm sure the SHC Marketplace can be expanded to replicate the classic market forums experience
This too :)
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:56:00 -
[83]
how to ads auction outside the game now?
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Contralto
Department Of Health and Social Security
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:58:00 -
[84]
All I can think to say is WHY? Biig mistake CCP.
And a workaround will be to add your advertising as a sig and spam all the other channels with inane babble to get visibility.
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Aceoil
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:58:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Aceoil on 21/08/2007 14:03:21 This: Originally by: SFShootme Gogo chribba, create us another 3rd party website that will replace this terrible loss to the eve community -
Or this Originally by: Raem Civrie Time to move trading to SHC.
Seriously!?!? If you guys could fix the ingame contract system you might be able to pull some traffic away from the sell orders forum.
Maybe you should fix the contracts system, then ask us nicely if we can move our trades over to the ingame contract system. As time goes on you respond to suggestions and improve the ingame contracts system so much that the sell orders forum is hardly used. THAT should be your course of action.
What is your next move? Delete Jita, and lockdown all new buy and sell orders in that system and then delete it in 2 weeks?
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Poldarn Joaq
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:59:00 -
[86]
Such a wrong move. The contract system is so unclear, it is nice to read through the uncluttered forums. Stop this you crazy kids at CCP, or I'll cry. Pol
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Thats no moon!!
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:59:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/08/2007 14:00:42
Originally by: Chribba I have a forum at evelocal.com, not sure if that is what is needed but it has been a part of my "new"/"unfinished" site for long, maybe it is a good time to show it now heh.
I registered to check it out. Pretty cool. :)
Originally by: SHC Derek Don't worry guys, I'm sure the SHC Marketplace can be expanded to replicate the classic market forums experience
Nice. Chribba vs SHC! :)
---
Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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Nevvyn
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:02:00 -
[88]
Wouldn't it be better to shut down the forums to make way for an ebayesque web based contracts feature?
A lot of people here have made valid comments about the usefulness of the current forum, and there are certainly some commonly used features of the forum that are not replicated in game, such as the sniper system.
Does that mean these features will eventually be mirrored in game?
I for one would like to see a web based contracts browsing system, I think that would increase the use of the contracts system, and improve the market.
Also, what about Supercapitals? It is not possible to sell these through the market, or, contract as far as I am aware, so, does this mean there will be the ability to put yourself up as a 3rd party escrow? I can see the scammers in jita having a field day with that one.
To keep it mild and constructive, this does not seem like one of the best thought through ideas so far, and I think you should reconsider the current timescales for this until there are suitable methods in place.
Nev. ~ some times you're the dog, some times you're the tree. |
Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:02:00 -
[89]
Normally I can see some logic however thin behind any CCP decision. But this is just so totally stupid, I'm really wondering if they're living in some alternate universe where april fools is on the 21st of augustus... cause really, they can't make this bad a decision, can they????
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THEGREAT LOBO
Trouble Every Day
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:02:00 -
[90]
I used to like looking at the sell forums at work,now what am i going to do with my time ???
And don't you say do my job --------------------------------------------- "Trouble Every Day" |
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:03:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 21/08/2007 14:03:53 What the hell, CCP, you're 4 months and 20 days late.
This isn't April Fools.
WTS: Clue. Oh wait, I can't, they're removing the WTS forums, and a clue can't be put on a contract in-game!
23 Member
EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! |
Glaren
Eagle Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:04:00 -
[92]
Booooooo Boooooooo!
Like many others I think this is a terrible idea.
Maybe if the contract system had more functionality that others have already mentioned, then maybe...
I will absolute miss being able to run an auction or bid from work where I do not have access to the game.
I can't imagine how this was very well thought through. This doesn't by chance have anything to do with the new economics guy? By forcing everything into contracts it forces everything into a unified economy. I'm just wondering because the WTS/WTB forums could be considered a somewhat separate economy or at least affected by forces not registered in game.
anyway Booooooo ...... I say Boooooooo!
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Siddious
Serenity Of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:04:00 -
[93]
Closing these forums are BAD M'Kay.
Contracts are far from ready to replace the forums fuctions and I really hate to search for that one item between all those scamm Buy orders..
The forum was a nice scamm free place to buy and sell.
And why close it without any warning up front ? Where you afraid of the negitive reations ?? well you will get them anyhow. ------
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Jess Ica
Gallente Star Productions and Research
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:05:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Jess Ica on 21/08/2007 14:05:50
Originally by: Chribba I have a forum at evelocal.com, not sure if that is what is needed but it has been a part of my "new"/"unfinished" site for long, maybe it is a good time to show it now heh.
Uhm can't register as i can't get the cookies further out so i can't see the code which i need to enter And no don't tell me can't go round my neighbourhood Server which has set rules and can't get his settings changed....i don't use any filters or stuff.....so maybe change that
But in the rest seams very nice work there.....though i hope CCP changes their mind Research Service!
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Altaree
Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:06:00 -
[95]
You now need to correct a few things before doing this: 1) Have a place for people to advertise services such as alliance and POS creation services. (props to hardin for alliance creation) 2) Have a way to see the historical price of big ticket items. 3) Make SURE that EVERY faction and officer item is listed in the market!!!!!!!!!! 4) Create more types of contracts. I would like to have a contract that gives a user some isk, materials, and a BPO for a deposit, and they give back the built materials and BPO to get their deposit back. 5) Have a way to set a contract for something that cannot be docked.
Please think more on this. Otherwise I think the traders lounge would be happy to pick up the slack.
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:06:00 -
[96]
problem with other forum is... how to make sure misterX on eve = misterX on custom forum
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:06:00 -
[97]
Let me guess...
One of your 'Rocket scientists' believes shutting down these particular forums will be the silver bullet that kills all the bugs.
This idea is even worse than EVE Voice, nice one CCP, another outstanding failure.
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Jess Ica
Gallente Star Productions and Research
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:06:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Fredou problem with other forum is... how to make sure misterX on eve = misterX on custom forum
Use the API key for register
Damn i'm smart Research Service!
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ZaKma
Seraphin Technologies Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:07:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Chribba I have a forum at evelocal.com, not sure if that is what is needed but it has been a part of my "new"/"unfinished" site for long, maybe it is a good time to show it now heh.
I take it that's something custom coded? Why not use vB / IPB. Would look / work a lot better imo.
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Mr prapo
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:07:00 -
[100]
lol
Now.. how are we gonna sell SuperCapitals?
Thanks CCP for the heads up, or.. ?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:11:00 -
[101]
NOt even going to waste my breath on how stupid this is: I'm just going to leave these forums while the community shoves your collective head up your collective bums. The rabble-rabble will be interesting to watch. One can only hope you find it educational too.
You may find that you can only rule by decree most of the time, not all of the time.
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:12:00 -
[102]
No really,
Such a bad plan.
There is so much stuff you can't sell on the contract system.
Shares & Services to name 2 off the top of my head.
Plus using the contract system is so utterly limiting, you loose the bargin hunting nature of these forums.
Is the plan to actually get us to use only contracts or really just to push us onto another site to do the same thing we do here? But without the excellent rules and moderation you supply.
oh joy....
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Atherin Gaius
Caldari Domini Umbrus
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:13:00 -
[103]
ok....so I now will have no place to find info on who will supply services out of game (kb hosting, sigs, etc) that have an affect on my ingame activities.
oh wait....i also won't be able to find out what corps/alliances are now offering shares and research those opportunities?
This is STUPID! Whoever thought this wasa a good idea obviously doesn't actually play EVE. Or if he does, is so bad at it that he can't afford to use the trade forums to buy high end mods and ships so he decided that if he can't do it no one else can.
Please change your minds on this CCP....stop taking fun activities out of the game.
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Seriya
Caldari RSP Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:13:00 -
[104]
This is a monsterously bad idea. I do use the contract system but itĆs still pretty basic, awkward and slow to navigate. It allows no room for renegotiation without completely recreating the contract, thereĆs no way to promote or expose your contracts (other than spamming Jita localŕ) and there are items and services that cannot really be contracted - supercapitals, research jobs etc. No-one wants to have to trawl through countless freeform contracts to find what theyĆre looking for, which probably wonĆt even be there anyway. Even with your bloody awful forum search options, which are by the way disgraceful in 2007, taking away the trade forums is making a bad thing worse.
Finally, in case you hadnĆt realised the blisteringly obvious: if you really, REALLY want to **** people off, a great way to do it is to take away a widely-used service without consulting them first. Two-thumbs down on this one I'm afraid.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:14:00 -
[105]
Dont mess with my trading forum. I understand you wanna get more on contracts. But for love of god, dont remove the problem, fix it.
Make a rule saying that ites which can but put on contracts, cant be sold on the forum.
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Mikal Drey
Angels and Demons
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:14:00 -
[106]
hey hey
Am i gonna be the only one who says what a superb idea \o/
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Kaede Frost
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:15:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Kaede Frost on 21/08/2007 14:16:42 bad move.
Removes the ability to use sniper rules. Removes the ability to offer services. Removes the ability to sell stuff not accepted via the contract system. Increases load on the contract system. Harder to use. IPOs? Selling in the Market discussion now is allowed for them? Or you just screwing them over completely.
Join the In-game lottery mailing list: "Kaede Lottery" to keep uptodate on the latest lottery. |
Arthmandar Valikari
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:15:00 -
[108]
Gotta add my voice to the pile. Unless the very valuable gameplay elements which the forum provides, as listed by my oh-so-vocal-yet-capable cohorts above, are replicated reasonably in game, we'll all just move to a third party site.
And if Chribba is hosting such a site, I'll tell you right now, that's the one I'll use.
GYPSY-LIKE PREDICTIONS OF THE FUTURE 1. Trade forums close down 2. Several new alternative sites pop-up (SHC, Eve-Files, lots of little ones) 3. One of them gains prominence and the others disappear (think: history of eBay) 4. CCP realizes that every player in the game is going to Chribba (for example) for these services 5. CCP reopens forums, since they might as well stay home on eve-online as all be going somewhere else
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Aceoil
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:15:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Jess Ica
Originally by: Fredou problem with other forum is... how to make sure misterX on eve = misterX on custom forum
Use the API key for register
Damn i'm smart
Currently no other forums are customized to use the API key. I see chribba being able to make a buy / sell order marketplace, using API keys.
Go Chribba, Go. Pick up the slack after CCP screws its game over.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:17:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 21/08/2007 14:21:12
Bah, the ingame contact system is a piece of junk compared to the forums. Yay for another poorly thought out idea, please do tell me though, how exactly are people supposed to sell services, boosters and ships that cannot dock now? Guess nobody at CCP thought about that did they... of course not... -----
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Tahreem
Minmatar Rather Odd Industrial Dynasty
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:18:00 -
[111]
I can agree with it but you need some extra stuff added for this tho..
1. sniper rule for auctions 2. we can choose the increments of ingame auctions 3. i stil think a few cosmos items are still missing on conracts when searching for exact item (not 100% sure) 4. Some sort of add forum, since some people sell strange stuff or just want to advertise what they have without never been seen between the other gazilion contracts... 5. More detailed search: like i wanna see all t2 bpo's, now i have to type in exact what i'm looking for or put things in the description, not everyone names it right or some use a funky name
If that can be added/fixed then it's all dandy i guess
------- Ceo of Rather odd industrial dynasty, We build the things rather odd
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SencneS
Amarr Balsarferskratchin Inc Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:18:00 -
[112]
This is..... nasty, utterly nasty Market Discussion will be spammed with WTB/S/T and services it's not funny.
Chribba, thanks for offering to supply a simple forum for the sales of good and services CCP's contract system refuses to sell.
If you're going to the sales forum you need to make sure the contract system is NOT restricted. Just as a drug dealer sells to customers a contract is loosely created, however you can't put any drugs, boosters on the market or contract system.
Why did CCP add Boosters if there is no way to sell them... Well done and might I say wonderfully planned. [/sarcasm]
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App Rentoo
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:19:00 -
[113]
Horrible idea, this will totally screw most kinds of trading of anything that dont go on market. ---------------------------------------------- Caldari State corporation standing services http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=556775
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Kaede Frost
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:20:00 -
[114]
Oh and if they get removed, there goes proof of my past lotteries for new customers. Great
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:20:00 -
[115]
ok so i will stop doing work for: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu//team_display.php?teamid=21
and when you will remove the trade forum, i will quit the team!
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:20:00 -
[116]
Youd be better off shutting down COAD forums than the trade ones!
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Laendra
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:21:00 -
[117]
Hmmm, so the Contract system is in it's mature and full-featured state? Not even close, if you think it will support not only the load, but also the needs of the community. Number one, you've eliminate offline trade completely. I don't know how many items have been bid on/purchased while people are unable to logon to the game for one reason or the other. Number two, Contracts are such a painful interface when dealing with large numbers of items. Contracts cannot support line-item bidding, which numerous auctions here are. They also cannot support dutch auctions, which I have seen a few of. Nor reverse auctions. Contracts can't support auction reserve prices. How are people supposed to auction items/services that aren't currently allowed on contracts?
All in all, although you have the right idea, now is not the time to implement it, imho. -------------------
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baffy
Atlas Incorporated SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:21:00 -
[118]
i havent had any problems with any changes that ccp have made to eve but this idea is just stupid
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General Apocalypse
Amarr The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:22:00 -
[119]
I dunno what the **** to think did CCP got took over by the stupid neanthertals in Goonswarm , did someone in CCP felt the need to flop his E-***** around EVE ?
This is the worst thing you ever done so far and personaly i'm geting more and more sick of this bullcrap : sever whide lag , crash after crash , stupid NOS changes , chickend out stealth removals (traking).
I'm geting the feeling that the IQ of some CCP employes is droping in the sewer .
Thank you dear DEVS
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Viconia D'Mysterious
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:22:00 -
[120]
What abbout the items that are not in the contract system? How can we access those then? For example i tried to do a search for a 'Whelan Machorin's Ballistic Smartlink' in the contracts and i got no options in the search filter for that. How can I find such items cause im sure thers more of them? (Waiting for new patches might be bit too long)
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Jastra
Gallente Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:23:00 -
[121]
really really really bad idea CCP, really, really bad :(
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Nordhaus
Industrial Services INC
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:23:00 -
[122]
I hope that the devs will reconsider this idea after you see the amount of anger this will create.
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James Damar
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:23:00 -
[123]
I've never complained about CCP everything I see as a evolvement of the game an enrichment, a new challenge.
But this just seems idiotic, sorry CCP but this is just not smart, I really don't see contracts as a solution for all that the sell forum is used for. Please please please reconsider this.
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evil's toy
horizons GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:24:00 -
[124]
Edited by: evil''s toy on 21/08/2007 14:24:38 this idea is so hated the forum can even keep up the page count. it's still stuck at 2
edit pttf just as i post it works fine
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:26:00 -
[125]
Originally by: ZaKma
Originally by: Chribba I have a forum at evelocal.com, not sure if that is what is needed but it has been a part of my "new"/"unfinished" site for long, maybe it is a good time to show it now heh.
I take it that's something custom coded? Why not use vB / IPB. Would look / work a lot better imo.
The reason it is not vB/IPB or any other more or less standard forum is because it has been integrated with the rest of the site, so yes custom code that messes it all up
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Huan CK
Gallente Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:26:00 -
[126]
All that this step is gonna change is: Someone will make a new unofficial trade forum on another website (like chribba ;) ) and everyone will use that one instead. So, if the goal was to get rid of trade forums in favor of contracts, you will utterly fail. Everyone will use an "unofficial" trade forum instead. So why not just keep it? If the goal is to reduce server-load and database load, why not just tell the truth?
Either there is more behind this than you admit or you are completely out of your mind, CCP.
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omen.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:26:00 -
[127]
BURN CCP DOWN BURN THEM TO THE GROUND ARRRRR ARRRRRRRR
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Dark Guardian
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:27:00 -
[128]
If contracts were as flexible as the Sell/Buy/Trade forums, then it might make sense to close them.
Unfortunately, they're not that flexible yet, and probably never will be.
Will buy/sell/trade posts be ok to post in Market Discussion? Will people who are actually interested in Market Discussion (without actual trading) be able to ignore those posts easily?
I admit that I've never really used the B/S/T forums myself, but I'm NOT near playing the higher-end game where it'd be very useful.
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ZaKma
Seraphin Technologies Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:28:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: ZaKma
Originally by: Chribba I have a forum at evelocal.com, not sure if that is what is needed but it has been a part of my "new"/"unfinished" site for long, maybe it is a good time to show it now heh.
I take it that's something custom coded? Why not use vB / IPB. Would look / work a lot better imo.
The reason it is not vB/IPB or any other more or less standard forum is because it has been integrated with the rest of the site, so yes custom code that messes it all up
Well, you could build the site around the forum, instead of custom coding a whole new forum.
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Mercade
Coerce Inc O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:30:00 -
[130]
Really?
Contract system still sucks the big wazoo. You can't look at old contracts, can't really browse them, can't really use them for lots of things that were being sold in the forums. If the contracts system was more like eBay then perhaps I could see this, allow us to sell anything anywhere etc. just put up a rep system for the sellers and buyers. The forum system was the only way you got any kind of feedback on scam artists etc...
Can't believe you would want the load in game rather than in a forum where it's easier to upgrade etc... Guess someone (and they have already) setup an out of game forum.
For my 2 ISK, NOT A GOOD MOVE.
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Meruth
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:30:00 -
[131]
This change is quite rediculous, unless contract are buffed seriously. No sniper rules, no proper end times, no browsing finished contracts by items (ie price checks) make the forum very neccersary.
What about mothership sales? Oh just put them on contra- owait.
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Jastra
Gallente Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:34:00 -
[132]
at least you could remove the rubbish contract system and put escrow back, man,
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Palx
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:36:00 -
[133]
wtf, very silly change, it's much easier to browse forums than contracts - which would also need a huge buff if this change went through
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Arrs Grazznic
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:37:00 -
[134]
Hey, calm down everyone! We'll just shift all the "Sell Orders", "Want Ads" and "Trades, trades and more trades" posts to "Market Discussions". Problem solved! I know it will be a little busy, but, hey, everything will be in one handy place then!
Cheers, Arrs
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Yuki Li
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:37:00 -
[135]
Contracts system simply can't do what a Forum can, too restrictive. Rethink this, it's a bad idea.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:37:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 21/08/2007 14:38:47 I guess devs don't trade at all, do they? The contracts are a hard to search mess when you are not looking for one specific item but a group of them. Contract advertising is already bad enough in Jita local. And the forum is so much more convenient to set up multi-item sales. Not to mention the silly lack of end time in contract auctions requiring you to constantly check them in the last hours before finishing. Killing of what is probably the most useful of all forums on this site must be the most stupid idea you ever had and I really hope you will reconsider. If only because this is bound to place even MORE stress in Jita.
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zykerx
Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:38:00 -
[137]
contracts system sucks, ya cant even see corect endtime on them
yust ends within 1 day o.0
sucky change .
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javer
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:38:00 -
[138]
as said before this is a serious cluster f***k and imo whoever made this choice needs to re-evaluate their current knowledge of how the eve trading/sales community work. said In-DuH vidiuals should also re-evaluate there continued employment as mmog developers.. maybe single player games can do without a trading system but eve sure cant.
give your opinions to wrangler and kieron in a Constructive manner and maybe this can be reversed before it comes into life.
As said unless the contracts involve anti sniper rule, full item search access, final end times, and ability to create service contracts+super capital sales etc they are no suitable replacement for the forums. and even with this feature set then they cant beat the web browsers for accessability
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JimneyCricket
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:39:00 -
[139]
ffs.. you CCP guys need to stop playing WOW and start playing Eve.
Such a bad idea, but thats the beauty of hind sight. I guess the Eve population will be waiting in the wings, ready with their "We told you so" comments.
Get a grip CCP, your going from Bad to worse.
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Sorted
High Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:39:00 -
[140]
/me puts on his tinfoil hat:
I think one of CCP's competitors has bought some of CCPs current staff, urging them to nerf random sections of the game (Ex-SWG guys?), dumb it down as much as they can get away with - and genraly encourage bad move after bad move. In a hope to perma-kill eve so other MMOs can get their customer base and EVE looses its title as the no1 open-style-almost free form MMO available.
/me takes off tinfoil hat.
Seriously - not thought through guys. Hit some of the staff with the nerf/ban stick. Theres more to this than "we have an ingame contract system now, so use it".
The contract system is far from perfect. Your making my sandbox smaller with each change - not bigger as I would of expected. Less restrictions pls guys not more!
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Beldaws
Gallente Me and My Alts
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:41:00 -
[141]
So what's the punchline? It's a joke right?
What do I do when an auction ends while I'm at work? Are we going to have some type of forum access to place bids on in-game contracts?
Are you going to change auction system to act like Ebay and let me put in a maximum amount that I'm willing to pay and it will automatically increase my bid as I get outbid until the price of the item is over my maximum?
Bad idea until more functionality is put into the existing contract system.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:41:00 -
[142]
I gotta admit, i never saw this one coming.
All I can say is I hope CCP is ready for this The Market Discussion will now be spammed with this stuff, which will
A) Cause more work for the mods B) source more complaints for people who can't trade X or Y
I mean, already Chribba is setting up a forum for buy/sell orders, thats a pretty ominous sign in my books that this isn't the right decision
I'd never heard of this till the stuff got raised after my linking back to the buy forum.
And what of Corporate business reports, IPO's and the like? Unless these parts get some immediate love so that people can launch/run their businesses *properly* in game, there's going to be some big issues with important information being flooded out of the market discussion by WTB/WTS ads. And yeah, people will do it even though they arent sposed to, even a locked topic attracts peoples eyes.
All I gotta say is from my year and a half of playing, through all the stuff that's gone on over the years, this is the first thing i've actually raised concern about.
Improve Market Competition!
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Carla Black
Ryder Interstellar Fuel Services
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:42:00 -
[143]
That is an really bad idea... .. what about all the services like research, fueling and so on... we need a forum to offer our stuff.. that cant do contracts..
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:42:00 -
[144]
I don't get it - what do you gain by closing the market forums?
Nothing as far as I see.
Ok contract system is fine if you're impatient for an item and willing to pay top dollar to get it right away, but browsing through the sell orders has always been the way to look for something at the right price, I can't believe you would even contemplate this...
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Siddious
Serenity Of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:43:00 -
[145]
Is this what they call a brain fart ? ------
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Phoenus
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:52:00 -
[146]
Disagree with this more strongly than words can express.
The trade forums are a way to keep an eye on what is selling, for how much, how much it sold for in the past - and do all this without being logged into the game.
Please reconsider this. It's quite easily one of the most viewed and used forums on the site. You want to close down a forum, remove the hellhole that is COAD, and leave this.
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Slackerboy
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:52:00 -
[147]
One thing that needs to be added, that I did not see is Price history.
We need to be able to see what items sold for previously.
Not a good move.
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Amy Tr'ader
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:53:00 -
[148]
CCP Meeting this morning;
Man#1 - So how can we **** off a large part of our playerbase today guys? Man#2 - Well, we could crash the server just after downtime? Man#1 - Good idea! Man#3 - Woah yeah, good one! Man#4 - Oh! I got one! Let's close the sell/buy/trade order forums! That'll irk them! Man#1 - Omg! That's an excellent idea! I'm sure we'll make them really really ****ed now! Man#3 - WOAH! Now THAT is an idea! Man#1 - So it's decided; today we will crash the SQL server just after downtime, then we'll announce & close the market forums! All - Agreed!
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Ecid Q'Wulf
Caldari Galactic Fighter Syndicate Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:53:00 -
[149]
seriously, you guys have a tendency of getting it wrong lately. ________ "This post represents my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance." - wait a second, i am the CEO, ofcourse they do !!! |
DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:53:00 -
[150]
So if the forums are getting removed in 2 weeks, can we assume that the new patch will happen by then?..
I only say that because as it is contracts are utterly useless for large auctions..
1) Auctions need Minimum Bid Incriments 2) You need to be able to set a Sniper Rule 3) People need to be able to see the end-time 4) You need a REAL Reserve (not just a starting price) 5) Proxy bidding (giving the system 2.8 billion isk and having the system bid for you) is also a requirement 6) Universe wide Bidding
I think that is a good list requirements (things the forum can allow to an extent).. I could list a few other things that would be useful but if these things arent coming in then dont remove the forums yet....
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Crimson11
Legacy State
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:54:00 -
[151]
If they close the Buy/Sell order forum we should all start posting in COAD, or any other active area. Make the mods go crazy from having to click every thread, forcing them to put it back in. Hopefully they get the hint we dont want this. Ive read through the whole thing, and unless someone has posted while i was typing this, i dont think i saw one positive remark about this. Take the hint CCP. Its ok to turn back now, its only an idea. We dont fault you for ideas. We fault you for following through with those idea's. Well... At the bad ones.
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Qumu
Incognito Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:54:00 -
[152]
One of the most astoundingly stupid moves I have seen CCP make. You really outdid yourselves this time..
Gratz...I guess.
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Veng3ance
New Dawn Rising
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:54:00 -
[153]
WTF Why!
You guys are so confusing sometimes, what the HELL is the reason for closing down those forums?
First off you have the services that can't be put onto contracts. IPO's, Super Caps, Standing Services, Research Services, Lottery's etc etc.
Then you are also ruining the Market Discussions forum, if all those things move into market discussions then there will be a ton of spam getting in the way of our trading discussions.
At LEAST keep the Sell Orders forum
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Crimson11
Legacy State
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:55:00 -
[154]
Wow. I started typing my above response on page 5 and landed on page 6. Ouch.
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Zathuraa
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:56:00 -
[155]
ccp please reconsider!
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Siddious
Serenity Of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:57:00 -
[156]
Fun part is that it is being removed within 2 weeks but they already closed it down so you can't use it anymore... So why keep it around for an other 2 weeks ?? just to **** people off and show that what was ?
Btw Where are those smart ass remarks of the dev's and GM now ?? They are normaly quick to respond.. ------
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:58:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 21/08/2007 14:58:23
Quote: There is one single reason for this bull****.
Manpower.
The market forums require a lot of moderating manpower to keep them in check. Constant supervision and corrections is required. The contract system does not require any of that, as it is bound and rigid.
Removing the trade forum removes the need for this manpower and frees up moderator time.
Moderator time? You gotta be joking. If the mods have too much on their hands they can just hire more. Don't cost them a dime since they're all volunteers, and I know for a fact that there are more than enough qualified and willing players...
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Arrs Grazznic
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:58:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Arrs Grazznic on 21/08/2007 14:59:15
Originally by: DeODokktor So if the forums are getting removed in 2 weeks, can we assume that the new patch will happen by then?..
I only say that because as it is contracts are utterly useless for large auctions..
1) Auctions need Minimum Bid Incriments 2) You need to be able to set a Sniper Rule 3) People need to be able to see the end-time 4) You need a REAL Reserve (not just a starting price) 5) Proxy bidding (giving the system 2.8 billion isk and having the system bid for you) is also a requirement 6) Universe wide Bidding
I think that is a good list requirements (things the forum can allow to an extent).. I could list a few other things that would be useful but if these things arent coming in then dont remove the forums yet....
And...
History Adding *all* items to contracts Better searching Saving searches Use of the description of the contract when browsing, rather than just [Multiple Items] Reduce the risk to accept want to buy scams A way to advertise services A way to sell supercaps IPO Lotteries And probably a whole lot more
Bah
Arrs
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Agent Stone
Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:59:00 -
[159]
Err... Removing Trading Forums?
Where are you meant to trade BPO's? Ingame? How do I search for price checks, and current sales on the forums from work? And buy BPO's from work? Etc...
I presume we just use General Discussion if we still want to buy and sell via forums?
What reason is there for not running them any more? Granted ingame contracts system works, but just because you have two systems that work, it does not mean one must go?
I love reading the Sell Orders Forum from work though. :( Means I can see how I can spend my Isk during lunch breaks, etc.
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Malarki X
Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:00:00 -
[160]
Well this is just WRONG !
Now we will have no choice but to flood Jita with contracts. Buying and selling capital stuff is allready complicated.
Not to mention faction loot, COSMOS loot and such.
This is a move in wrong direction and plee to you to reconsider.
It cant be because forums put too much pressure on servers - this is an MMO for goodness sake. We need forums for comunity, fun and buisness alike.
How is some random Joe suppose to sell research slots for example ?!?
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Valerian Xavier
Moloko.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:03:00 -
[161]
probably my least favorite decision ccp has made since i've been in eve. i got my business from these forums, not contracts.
the big problems have already been said so a big QFT from me. wtf ccp
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Shari Vegas
Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:03:00 -
[162]
Yay, 12000 more "Want to buy (Faction Ship/Item) for 1 ISK" contracts we'll all have to mull through while looking for something legitimate.
I think CCP is really just starting to lose the plot.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler I have no clue.
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Lady Alystra
Amarr Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:03:00 -
[163]
Not a very good idea. You are forgetting all the many items that cannot be put on contract yet and cannot be added to the market yet.
Also, the contract system sucks because you can only bid on an auction if you are in the same region as the auction - that means you have to be in that region for a very long time, since the current contracts for auctions do not state an end date/time more precisely than "less than a day".
Time to put your tin foil thinking hats back on, CCP.
Lady A, going over to register at Chribbas forum.
Because we DGAF!
... and you can DGAF too.
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Lady Natacha
Minmatar Water and Power
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:04:00 -
[164]
All I can say is:
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Benedic
Minmatar The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:04:00 -
[165]
Coming soon to a Jita near you: 1400 in local, 10 minute lag.
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Deacon Ix
Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:04:00 -
[166]
This is not good - I do most of my buying/selling at work - when at home and in game I like to PLAY eve rather than waste time sorting out contracts
Originally by: Steini OFSI The most efficient way to get a dev response is to have the word beer somewhere in your thread.
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ISliverI
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:05:00 -
[167]
Well this is a foul idea. I am not going to bother to reiterate the numerous reasons stated in the last 6 pages about why this is so bad.
Simply - the forums do something (many things!) that the contract system will never be able to do on its own. This out of game option is nessecary. Another will be created if you trash this one. If you do not keep it here, you will simply lose forum traffic to whoever creates the best off site forum that covers this need.
-Sliver
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Agent Stone
Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:06:00 -
[168]
Actually, can we have details, or a FAQ on how do you sell, or advertise the folling on the ingame contracts system...
- General Services, Not any Physical Asset(like offering people to join a corp that has +8 standings, for jump clones, or research services - Corporations (Corps with POS's deployed in Hi-Sec for example) - Supercapitals (Mothership Sales for example)
I am sure there are many others.
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Anarkia Evangel
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:07:00 -
[169]
Wow CCP you have really out done your self here, this has got to be the worst idea ever.
What possible good will this do? I can only think of negtives.
I just dont get it.. why?
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:08:00 -
[170]
I couldn't resist:
WTS: CLUE
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
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1Of9
Gallente Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:10:00 -
[171]
Does any1 have the link to the new buy/sale forum?
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Non Zero
Solipsism Syndrome Consulting
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:10:00 -
[172]
Dear Wrangler
This will be a setback for the economy in EVE
...because the contracts system feels to me like a half finished product and the market is still cumbersome in many ways.
I would like to hear if CCP consider the current system for finished or if they actually have some improvements in the pipeline soon to come??
I feel the contract system is unfinished in the following ways: The list function need tweaking, sometimes listing items in irregular ways, making it confusing browsing items.
The search function is almost useless and not very versatile. -Cannot list more than one type of item. Would been very useful to get group, half-group,search on names and still list items from multiple groups. -To do a search for a new item in a different category, you have to manually clear 3 fields...
The contract system currently don't have the function to keep a history of sales, like the forums have. This is important both for the avid trader, but even more for the occasional trader or the newbies, so they can get an better idea what things actually goes for. Off course the active contracts gives an idea, but this can be ruined by many 'shots in dark' and also other spamming/manipulating.
An average price like the market system is also not sufficient, need a clear table with time of sales, number of items and location. (same goes for the market statistics).
It takes a lot more time to browse and search for items compared to forums.
Also the market system, has many issues that are tiring For example the basic browsing of item groups, the SAME description (wich actually contains no useful data)is sometimes listed on all objects, while ESSENTIAL attributes we want to see directly to compare them with prices is hidden behind the i-button.
Improving on these issues would also help make the learning curve for EVE less steep, making both new and old players less frustratedless chance they quit the game.
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Ricdics
Corporate Placement Holding Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:12:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Ricdics on 21/08/2007 15:12:29 What a complete load of sh*t Insured Research and Production Services Queues |
Zathuraa
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:12:00 -
[174]
Pros:
Cons: * More people spaming in the Trade / Jita Channels * No way of offering services * Cant Auction Motherships
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Miss Tigkill
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:13:00 -
[175]
Ouch. Although I understand the reasoning, the contract system is not keyword searchable, which is a downside, IMO.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:16:00 -
[176]
Here is a very detailed list of all the advantages of this idea:
Hmmm I didn't see anything either...
23 Member
EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! |
Lady Natacha
Minmatar Water and Power
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:16:00 -
[177]
Almost forgot, good riddance to the CCG stuff. Way to go CCP!
250M implant may disappear: Linkage
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CiNi
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:17:00 -
[178]
Edited by: CiNi on 21/08/2007 15:18:24
Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 21/08/2007 13:47:32 Seriously? You're closing down the Sell Orders and Want Ads?! Browsing the contract system in-game is just as fun as... well it's not fun at all.
Maybe it's time to open another 3rd party forum for the sell and buy orders...
Edit:
I've put the forums on evelocal.com online, they should work I think. Lemme know if that is what is needed, and what needs to be added/removed/updated etc.
Chribba to the rescue ONCE AGAIN, u sir are the biggest asset we as a comunity have and we thank you for your continued dedication. THANK YOU
CCP Please reconsider this action, the contract system is already very weak and doesnt have enough functionality to be of much use. It doesnt show everything we ask for unless u make a search extremely narrow or if its for a specific item. A lot of the time i dont know what, if anything, i want to buy and just browse the forum and see something i think would be cool. Its like going window shopping and coming home with loads of cool stuff. You simply cannot do this with contracts.PLEASE reconsider this action.
EDIT :: Lol @ DS post above me
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Khira Painn
Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:17:00 -
[179]
I usually don't post on the forums, but I can't let CCP do such a stupid thing without voicing my concern. You couldn't possibly have thought of all the consequences this will have.
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:19:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Miss Tigkill Ouch. Although I understand the reasoning, the contract system is not keyword searchable, which is a downside, IMO.
Actually it is, click the "more options" button and you will see a nice little search field. And while you are at it set it to simple view as well and you can see the items ignoring bogus titles.
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Inqy
Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:20:00 -
[181]
Elite - here I come (can't find my Homeworld disc :-()
see sense let us play at work dont remove your talons keep us happy
pls
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Jastra
Gallente Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:20:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Miss Tigkill Ouch. Although I understand the reasoning, the contract system is not keyword searchable, which is a downside, IMO.
Actually it is, click the "more options" button and you will see a nice little search field. And while you are at it set it to simple view as well and you can see the items ignoring bogus titles.
yes, now try and buy whatever you find and realise you have to jump to a complete other region......
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toeslammer
Caldari The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:21:00 -
[183]
Do you guys have a time table to hit your ****er with a hammer, or do you just do it randomly ?
Instead of breaking something that is not broken, why don't you fix the bugs in the game ?
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Jefferson Dubois
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:22:00 -
[184]
I think what I find most disturbing about this, is the complete lack of explanation or follow up from CCP.
We are closing Trade forums and then nothing.
Alot of valid issues have been raised and we have not received one response.
We get more notice for an emergency reboot.
Dialogue is needed here CCP, or I expect things will be turning quite nasty soon.
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Arithron
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:22:00 -
[185]
Heck, no more scamming/selling services/selling worthless shares/selling piles of s**t!
You mean we actually have to talk to others in-game, on channels or local space? What, we even have to bid realistic prices that we make our own minds up on?? Hold on, what are you saying...we actually need to do in-game stuff in-game??? Whatya mean I can make a channel????
Contract system does need a few tweaks, admittedly. I like the idea of an ebayish type system instead of the forums....
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Azeusus
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:22:00 -
[186]
Only piece of the forums that generally have useful information in them, shame to see them go, but now we can all sign up with eve-live and have new sexy forums
Seems like abit of a daft decision, the forums probably put as much isk through them than the whole transfer system in game allows and that for a reason..... we dont like posting to buy but it works!!
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:22:00 -
[187]
Yay for dozens of 1 Trit for a billion contracts of people trying to advertise their SERVICES in one line of text. Brilliant idea really :D
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:23:00 -
[188]
Maybe CCP needs to taste what will happen before they see reason? Everyone with a Jita char (or with nothing better to do) should actually undock and idle outside 4_4 instead of sitting in station, I bet that will go some way to simulate what a doubling of the Jita population will do. And of course new sell orders now need to go to a random other forum category to the mods can move them to the one that is now proper.
There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones |
Mr Minmatar
Minmatar Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:23:00 -
[189]
I support this move....AFTER contracts are fixed for those selling things that don't fit in the current very limited system. Things like: -WTB and auctions not tying up isk for up to 2 weeks. -WTB being renewable rather than getting hit for millions in fees because you're after a rare item outside of Jita and it sometimes takes a while (I recently purchased a DG tower BPC and researched Fenrir BPO for example) -WTB orders for BPCs and researched BPOs (and players can set minimum research levels) -Some of us sell services. -Some sell OOG things like sig-creation, corp web-site hosting, kill-board hosting and TS/Vent hosting. -And more than a couple other shortcomings that have already been mentioned as well.
If you can't make contracts do all that and more then guess what, there's still a need for alternate means of buying/selling. Ask your economist what would happen if the NYSE and Chicago Futures Exchange (or whatever name it uses after the merger) were to be arbitrarily shut down because people could sell things on EBAy?
Who needs cowbell? More cameltoe! |
Saladin
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:24:00 -
[190]
Seriously, who makes these decisions? The contract system is woefully inadequate and a hotbed for scamming.
In contracts you can't:
1. Bid outside your region: Why not, who's idea was it to limit that? 2. Sell a service: Well maybe with freeform contracts, but those contracts are for scammers. 3. Check the status of your bid from the convenience of the world wide web.
So its a man power issue? how about if people start posting WTD and WTB in the general discussion forum?
Wrangler, you need to gfy. ----
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KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:24:00 -
[191]
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, this is risky business!
The forums are great because the can sell more than just items, but services and super caps as well. Pre-ordering, especially with the new cap ship coming out, is always a great thing. Being able to browse the history is great as well. I'm not saying keep it based on nostalgia; it is actually a useful place. Also, contracts kinda suck. Can't place a bid without being in the same region? Jita is going to become even more of a hellhole. "Less than a day remaining" -- is that 1 minute or 23 hours?
You will never get everything done in game, you'll just move it to an (untrusted, uncontrollable) third party. So please, reconsider. At least for Jita's sake! -------------------------------------------
KadaEl RONA Midgard Academy Teaching the world of tomorrow |
Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:25:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Arithron Heck, no more scamming/selling services/selling worthless shares/selling piles of s**t!
You mean we actually have to talk to others in-game, on channels or local space? What, we even have to bid realistic prices that we make our own minds up on?? Hold on, what are you saying...we actually need to do in-game stuff in-game??? Whatya mean I can make a channel????
Contract system does need a few tweaks, admittedly. I like the idea of an ebayish type system instead of the forums....
Have you EVER tried to sell or buy something in the trade channel? :P
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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:26:00 -
[193]
Contracts is not a safe way to sell high value items. You'd need to get those items to a hub system. The probability of a suicide gank in such a situation is extremely high both for buyer and for seller. Forum posting between two alts with items exchanged by contract at a non publically disclosed system is much more secure.
Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU! |
Reecoh Soltar
Exotic Dancer Talent Agency
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:27:00 -
[194]
Your offer does not interest me and I'd to unsubscribe from your newsletter.
/signed that the current contract system is inadequate for all our trading/buying/selling needs.
I'm sure at least 1 third party forum will open to replace the official one, and it'll be a scammer paradise since CCP won't be there to whack offenders with the ban stick.
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Altaree
Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:27:00 -
[195]
Hrm.... and I thought the mineral compression change was a bad idea... Way to one-up yourselves CCP.
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Arithron
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:28:00 -
[196]
I agree that the end time on current contracts needs fixing, and most of the other stuff that others have brought up needing doing on contract system. However, just because scammers use a system in-game doesn't mean it isn't good (freeform). Afterall, they use all the channels also.
I suspect that making everything happen in-game means its more likely to be petitionable if things go wrong and you get scammed, and they can track down various crooked players easier...
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Sothis Antares
PBA Corporation The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:29:00 -
[197]
ccp, i disagree
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:30:00 -
[198]
Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 21/08/2007 15:32:22 Ah yet another bad idea which really hasn't been thought out, seriously has CCP been taken over by EA or Sony? Because from the recent crap you have been coming up with it seems like it.
I don't normally critize CCP as I know they are always trying their best to please their member base but in the last 6 months I am starting to wonder.
If anything close COAD as that these days is alot less useful that the trading forum.
The ingame contract system is a big improvement on the old escrow system but it will never be good enough to replace the selling and buying forums.
DON'T DO IT CCP!
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DamienUPB
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:33:00 -
[199]
Remove the worth of drugs in game: CHECK Create boosters to make us think we got something better: CHECK Make the sites for booster sites worthless but still a pain: CHECK Make it impossible to sell boosters in game or out of game: CHECK
Yup you hosed many things that can't be sold on the open market. Yes we have a channel in game to get info out but it's more fellow smugglers then users that get into it not the users.
Can you warn the next time your gonna *****the smuggling/booster profession. Or make such a large change and give us a chance to way in on it.
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Illminatis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:33:00 -
[200]
You can use the channels to do everything in game, in theory, so why do forums even exist? Close every forum down if you're going to use that rationale.
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Notleh
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:34:00 -
[201]
Wrangler, just when you guys had earned some loyalty points with the announcement of towers that only have to be fueled once a month you post this.
Are you a masochist or what?
Bad idea, please reverse your thought process on this one.
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Arithron
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:39:00 -
[202]
Oh yeah, I forgot about scams being legal....there is an old saying though..
BUYER BEWARE
Beat me with an idiot stick...
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Jefferson Dubois
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:39:00 -
[203]
*looks around for a ccp response
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Yoshitsuni
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:42:00 -
[204]
This will force more people into Jita.
Yosh
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Mephistocles
Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:43:00 -
[205]
This is an excellent way to increase traffic in Jita.
Oh, wait, they were trying to decrease traffic there. Seems someone didn't really think this through.
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Barbicane
A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:43:00 -
[206]
I don't mind removing the trade forum. It's rarely used anyway. But the sell and buy order forums? There are so many things you cannot do with contracts.
This is insane
/emote goes off to register at Chribba's site.
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Arthalion Thoidon
Caldari Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:44:00 -
[207]
Hmm, I think I can understand why you're going to close those forums( especially the CCG one), not sure if I think it's a good idea though. However I, like just about everyone else, can see a problem when people want to offer a service( freighter, research POS, whatever) or want to sell a Mothership or titan. Also I have to say the contract system could use some changing before the sell forums die. I'm mainly thinking of the automatic 10% of startprice bid increment, it would be nice if players could actually set a bid increment themselves. Let's hope that'll be in a patch coming to an eve server near us soon( no tm, that'd take too long)
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Marcus Tedric
Gallente Tedric Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:44:00 -
[208]
I can only assume CCP have a very valid desire to do this - but.......
If 'we' can't advertise here I can only see one result...
Jita/The Forge will become the ONLY market place. Everything will have to go there because every single customer will want to go to the 'Big Mall'.
Every single supplier, unable to let anyone know that they can get things elsewhere - will HAVE to go there.
That's just silly.
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:44:00 -
[209]
Posting for a second time because i feel that bloody strongly.
DONT DO IT CCP ITS FECKING NUTS!!!!!
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:47:00 -
[210]
Beyond that i can't wait to be bombarded with the millions of google spawned isk selling ad that are going to fill my internet explorer needed to sustain any site that tries to replace this.
Oh the temptation for many, sitting looking at that Dread they just can't afford, while blinking above there is an add for some nice farmed isk for the same price as a beer.....
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Davey Oaks
Minmatar hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:47:00 -
[211]
I personally think its silly, i allways liked looking at the auctions and barely check the contracts. Allso, i rarely see any rare items on contracts when i did look. The best items where allways on the forums.
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Seeboo
Caldari Free-X Industry
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:47:00 -
[212]
ok i laughed enough about this .
You may end this joke wrangler ....
faster please :)
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Vexorg
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:47:00 -
[213]
I've played Eve since the beginning, and I have never posted before, but I had to break my silence to say this is one of the worse ideas ever. It is like shutting down all the google, yahoo stock pages and the only way to look at stock prices is through some tool that takes a couple of minutes just to load up. The millions of average folks who buy stock would stop, and I think you'll see the same hit on the Eve market, upsetting the economy.
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Arithron
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:47:00 -
[214]
A lot of the people whinging are players that make isk from doing nothing except buying modules and the like for below market prices from newer players and reselling them. The advantage of the forums is that many newer players don't look there....
Alternatively, you might think I'm being harsh and instead think that the sell forums are used by players that make isk from selling something that is not really making them 'play' the game (eg, web-hosting services, animation of character, signatures blah blah blah).
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Aakron
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:49:00 -
[215]
haha what a ridiculous and badly thought out plan of epic proportions ---
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Malarki X
Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:49:00 -
[216]
Looks like Chribas forum is the place to be these days ...
Shame when paying customers have to take care of things like buy / sell forums them selfs.
I still dont understand logic behind this.
Did you loose a bet or something ?
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:51:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Davey Oaks I personally think its silly, i allways liked looking at the auctions and barely check the contracts. Allso, i rarely see any rare items on contracts when i did look. The best items where allways on the forums.
reason: tax!
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Jehuty Vanricadia
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:51:00 -
[218]
How are we supposed to sell / buy supercapitals now?
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:53:00 -
[219]
Man i just can't stop posting.
This is a terrible idea.
In one move CCP kill window shopping for new toys.
Its impossible to actually "Browse" for shiny stuff on the contracts.
ffs ccp. think about what your doing.
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Cyan Nuevo
Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:53:00 -
[220]
Yeah I must say this doesn't seem like a very smart move to me. I know they must be an extra burden on the server and the staff, but I think their benefits far outweigh that. --- Proud Amarr pilot.
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6Bagheera9
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:53:00 -
[221]
Terrible idea, the contract system leaves no room for detailed negotiation.
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Shad0wsFury
The Burning Orphans Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:55:00 -
[222]
This is a bad idea. There is absolutely no good reason to do this.
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Helen
STK Scientific M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:55:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Entity Closing down sell orders, the most used forum on this site, is probably going to prove to be a mistake of epic proportions.
How are people going to sell supercaps? How are people going to advertise services? How are people going to run auctions of large number of items? How are people going to express the need for services or items? How are people going to trade at work?
Contracts are to immature to be a replacement for the functionality and more importantly the flexibility the trade forums offers, which is backed up by the fact it is today still the most used forum on this board.
Proceed at your own risk, CCP.
What Entity said. What the hell are you guys smoking?
STK providing Mothership deaths since 2007 |
Maze La'Zie
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:55:00 -
[224]
Now I'm not a fan of whining, shouting or rabbling.
But...
THIS IS STUPID. DO NOT SHUT THESE FORUMS!
The contract system cannot cope with the needs of buyers and sellers.
The contract system cannot be accessed out-of game.
The contract system does not have a searchable history.
The contract system does not allow negotiation.
We'll just go elsewhere, but the market will lose out due to the drop in casual surfing for purchases.
Please reconsider. I'm normally rational and polite but this is a really bad idea.
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elohllird
Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:56:00 -
[225]
I was goin to give my idiot of the month award to Rob styles who refereed the Liverpool v Chelsea game. But in comes CCP to nick it. Unlucky Rob Gratz CCP
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Damon Ra
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:57:00 -
[226]
It's pretty simple:
The forum moderation (like so many other very important tasks at CCP like bug hunting) are managed by unpaid "volunteers". Maybe no one is willing to volunteer anymore, or the quality of said volunteers has slipped?
If I ran a 3rd party EVE site that performed one or more of the functions CCP should be providing to it's subscribers, I would close it down and direct people right back to these forums for help.
The stupid CCG got it's own separate site, when it should have received the axe. How wonderful our subscriptions were used to create this nonsense and now are being used to further its advancement.
Current Tranquility status: SELECT production_code FROM SISI WHERE testers = 'players' AND testers <> 'ccp_staff' AND testing_duration <> 'sufficient'; |
Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:58:00 -
[227]
can you fix the isk seller problem in the trade chat INGAME
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:59:00 -
[228]
Edited by: NightmareX on 21/08/2007 16:01:40 While you are shutting down the Trading forum, can you please shut down and remove the Fan Submissions page to while you are at it, because the Fan Submissions page haven't worked in like a year now i think.
But for me, it's no problem with removing the trade forum, since i'm only buying normal stuffs from market. And if i need normal stuffs from the contract system, then i will find what i need anyways.
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Matorek
Cataclysm Enterprises Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:00:00 -
[229]
Edited by: Matorek on 21/08/2007 16:03:05 Edited by: Matorek on 21/08/2007 16:00:41 is there anything behind this decision i just can't see ? or does this decision really make no sense ?
i don't think people will use the buggy and low functional contract-system, they will instead do their business on other websites.
but if u want to stop production of super-caps, u r on the right way, no platform for auctions/sells and the upcoming compression changes ... i wonder what is next. btw would be easier to just take all the bpo out of game ...
not to speak of all the other services which are sold on this forums and the high end modules ...
an astonished Matorek Director Cataclysm Enterprises |
Shari Vegas
Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:01:00 -
[230]
The fact that not one person has come up with anything positive about this move should tell them something.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler I have no clue.
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Arithron
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:02:00 -
[231]
Hey, I like the idea!!!
That positive enough for you?
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Alpine 69
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:03:00 -
[232]
Just a plain stupid idea!
Selling services will me made impossible by this immature change.
Also, supercaps and Unique ships will be impossible to sell, (800M brokers fee, lol wut?)
Please CCP, you're shooting yourself in the foot right now, don't do this!
Sweet love for the ones that mod my sig <3 From her? You're on. -Rauth |
Nuwa
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:03:00 -
[233]
another round of mistakes by eve management
those buy and sell orders are very much used and enhance the game ... if you have to get rid of any forum ... start with COAD
btw my main is kuang
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xThe Prophetx
Caldari Incognito Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:04:00 -
[234]
Edited by: xThe Prophetx on 21/08/2007 16:10:27 I don't talk on these forums much, but I'm going to have to agree with the general (unanimous?) feelings being posted.
Apart from the in character stance of "well, your in game character wouldn't really have access to these forums to buy his stuff" (which is not even a good argument IMO), what possible benefit is there to doing this?
::[Incognito...reminding the universe that we are not blue to them, one kill at a time.]::
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Siddious
Serenity Of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:04:00 -
[235]
Just funny that there is still no response from CCP towards all these posts...
This is just to say the least... Rude.. ------
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:05:00 -
[236]
Is this really about modding?
Are the trade forums actually heavily modded?
I've hardly seen any mods touching any posts in ages.
If its so much of a man - power drain, just don't mod them, lets us rip each other to bits and spam away.
Its still a better alternative to no forums at all or being pushed to a billion second rate cheap alternatives..
Taur
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Josh Causto
Gallente Fatalix Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:07:00 -
[237]
Wow....this....fails....
Originally by: Speed Devil
Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Everytime you fit anything other than a laser on our ships, babies die.
and when ya fit lasers on your ships nothing dies
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Jefferson Dubois
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:09:00 -
[238]
*checks again for CCP response
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stormyfs911
Minmatar Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:09:00 -
[239]
It's all been done to give the economist they hired something to do with his time.
Way to go CCP. This is madness...
NO! THIS IS EPIC FAILURE!
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Veidiven
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:11:00 -
[240]
Much more thought and a better explanation of what is trying to be achieved here are necessary. The contract system cannot fill all the gaps the forums do in the trading system. These forums are a absolute must for eve and any mmo for that matter, perhaps my memory fails me but is there any mmo that does not have some sort of trade forum?
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:11:00 -
[241]
This is bad, just bad. What was the motivation behind this?
Decrease server load? Those posts will just go to another forum.
Decrease moderation? Those posts will just go another forum.
Please don't increase the spam in the other forums by removing the proper place for these posts. It is nice having a market discussion forum that discuss the markets and is not a market advertising forum. Likewise, General Discussion should not need to become Public Advertising.
I see no problem with combining those (Sell Orders, Want Ads and Trades, trades and more trades) forums into a single forum, but removing them will force their content into other forums, increasing confusion and work load for posters, readers and moderators. Or worse this change will drive all of this business to third party sites where CCP will not have any input.
Originally by: CCP Prism X P.S. If you think you're reading some information through the lines here, you're wrong. I'm actually just bored.
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Tanila01
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:11:00 -
[242]
I hope someone else start trade hub/forum for eve-traders, if ccp not want traffic for main site, good position in google results etc etc, they can remove and all other subforums... they can completly remove eve-online.com site and also completly remove gameserver. Why not ? Wow and many other mmorpg create solution for anyone who want play in mmorgp :).
Close WTB/WTS forum reall insane idea. Someone who offer it must be fired immediatly...
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WildSide
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:12:00 -
[243]
wtf...why did u remove the sale forum?
it was the days highlight....reading what goodies was for sale. IF u ect..bid ingame ure isk is bounded to that bid.
On forum ure isk is free untill the end dato.
Also, it was fun just to watch ppl bid..and see comments about items and such.
Vids produced by me
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DarkMental
Amarr Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:13:00 -
[244]
This idea gets the Dark thumbs down. I can trade at work but I cannot play Eve.
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Mack Dorgeans
Camelot Innovations
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:13:00 -
[245]
I applaud those who will be creating third-party sites to take up the slack.
Clearly CCP's new policy is to do everything they can to force people to use their isk sinks in-game, without even taking the time to put in the features that would be required to make them truly useful.
If they wanted to move trades completely into the game, they should have rolled out an advertising feature (costing isk, of course). As it stands currently, the contracts system just isn't robust enough to handle everything that used to go on in the forum. Besides missing items, the search system is way too limited. If you don't have an EXACT item to search for, you've got to slog through endless poorly sorted pages of listings. Multiple items contracts are absolutely awful for browsing.
Plus, the fee structure and listing limitations are such that high-priced items just aren't worth listing. People are better off saving the money and spamming Jita local with an alt, which is exactly what they will do. Got a T2 ship BPO to sell? Why would you let it sit on a contract auction (even if you ask more to cover the high fees) when you could still be building from it in the meantime?
It's interesting to note that live dev blogs kept getting canceled, when there were clearly some decisions being made that would have benefited from customer feedback. With the announcements that precious little new content or features will be coming until well into next year, other than nerfs, I have to wonder about the future of this game.
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:13:00 -
[246]
Awful decision CCP.
You've now killed a HUGE part of the game for a lot of people. How are people going to sell half the modules that aren't even on the market now? By spending days browsing the contract system?
What about selling items that can't be contracted? Boosters? TS and website hosting?
Way to stifle the creativity of your community.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:14:00 -
[247]
Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 21/08/2007 16:14:54
Quote: A lot of the people whinging are players that make isk from doing nothing except buying modules and the like for below market prices from newer players and reselling them. The advantage of the forums is that many newer players don't look there....
No,, thats what people do *through* the game. And its not the stuff that appears on the market that people sell on the sell forums. Tell me, what of this:
BS BPCs ALL Types - All Races BLOW OUT PRICING ME50 [AUCTION] T2 Mining Crystal BPO Blowout! [Auction] Selling one Gallente *** NYX *** mothership Mozana 28 [AUCTION] Javelin M BPO [WTS] Dominix + Rigs and Modules WTS: Capital Ships & More Tiara`s Capital shipyard. Carriers in stock [Auction] NYX The Capital Ship Yard ** large stock ** WTS Megathron Navy Issue with rigs Dreads..Carriers..and Mod's..oh my! [WTS]All Dreads and Carriers cheap and easy [WTS] Electron Bomb BPO ME20 PE20 [Auction] Reactive Plating II Blueprint Original [SERVICE] Highsec POS labs, Website back up!!
Sounds like new-player gear bought under-cost? The rigged mega is all i can think of. ONE ITEM from a whole page?
Quote:
Alternatively, you might think I'm being harsh and instead think that the sell forums are used by players that make isk from selling something that is not really making them 'play' the game (eg, web-hosting services, animation of character, signatures blah blah blah).
Out of game services, maybe they arent for the sell forum. But in game services? Fuel hauling? pos slots? Players need an out-of-game anchor to advertise from.
Improve Market Competition!
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:15:00 -
[248]
With the way contracts currently work I don¦t like that one little bit for reasons people on 9 pages before me mentioned. _______________________________________________
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Shadow 1031
Babylon. Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:17:00 -
[249]
Wow..... BAD BAD BAD idea, not only will this more than double the lag on the database servers which already seem to be well overloaded, but it also screws alot of people from having and out of game source of trading the can access from computers at their works that are not able to log into the game. I must agree with 95% of all the posts already made "EPIC ERROR"
Devs, reconsider this will only cause problems for the whole eve community
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:19:00 -
[250]
Since contracts we've seen the WTS forums change alot. People have taken alot of the stuff that can be done in game, into the game.
Hell i even managed to shift BC bpo's for more isk in Jita then I did here.
But thats the thing, to get the best price, everyone has to go to one place.
This will lead to MEGA JITA for all items that can go in game.
And kills the market for everything that feasably cant work in contracts.
**** **** **** plan
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Agatho Daimon
Amarr MASS
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:21:00 -
[251]
This idea is so bad ccp yeah yeah yeah ... |
General Apocalypse
Amarr The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:22:00 -
[252]
Edited by: General Apocalypse on 21/08/2007 16:21:44 Worst Ideea EVER
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Zathuraa
Applied Cyronics
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:22:00 -
[253]
Well cya all on some 3rd party site!
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Pallidum Treponema
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:23:00 -
[254]
This is the most ridiculous idea I've heard in ages.
Problem 1: A majority of buy orders in the contract system are scams. Sellers are therefore reluctant to sell to buy-orders in the contract system. Even if they were so inclined, the amount of scam buy-orders make it difficult to locate the ones that are valid.
Problem 2: The contract system offers no way of advertising services. Maintainers of website hosting, killboards, research services etc will have no means to advertise their services.
Problem 3: The contract system offers no way of setting up recurring orders. A corporation that wishes to purchase for instance 10 million units of tritanium per month will have no way of easily finding a supplier.
Problem 4: The contract system offers no way of establishing the reliability of the seller. A capital ships supplier with hundreds of orders and dozens of posts in their thread can be relied upon as a trustworthy seller that will live up to their claims. Within the contract system, there is no way of ensuring that your business partner will be able to deliver a certain order.
Problem 5: The contract system offers no way of advertising multiple items or services. A supplier of for instance freighters and components will have no way of saying "I can sell all four kinds of freighters, or provide the components for you to build them" within the contract system.
Problem 6: While all of the above can be solved by third party websites, outside of the control of CCP, that will be frequented by FAR less people than those who access the eve-online.com forums, this ALSO means that any sales of illegal items, such as those aquired through macro isk farming, account hacking or other means will be harder for CCP to monitor and take action against.
These are just the problems I can identify straight away. It would also take something quite valuable away from the community, namely the fact that these services all become visible to the public.
Look at it as a bazaar, where both new and old players can stroll around and see what's available out there. Without the market forums, a lot of new players would miss out on finding out about research POSes when they're trying to find out where to buy their first navy raven. Even as an experienced player, there's been plenty of times that I've gone to the sales forums to look for a specific item, only to end up reading thread after thread about a new item or service that I didn't even know existed.
CCP, please reconsider as the market forums are a very valuable resource for the community.
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Del ReyII
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:24:00 -
[255]
? WHY ?
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Lady Melon
KOVEN Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:26:00 -
[256]
Just so many reasons for "Hmmm, bad idea, mkay!" to list.
Besides, most of them have already been listed, countless times.
!!! Save our Trading Forums !!!
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Ice Globe
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:26:00 -
[257]
Your kidding right?
They'll be no place for services or negotiations.
Epic fail.
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Popsikle
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:27:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Bellhop Think it's time not just for a 3rd party sell forum, but a complete alt Eve Online forum. Fix 2 problems in one go.
Linkage ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime. |
Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:29:00 -
[259]
Adding my head to the angry rabble. Plz plz plz say this will be like the tractor beam BPO incident & abandoned.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:32:00 -
[260]
well i dont see any reason the market forums offers the option to just browse and buy stuff you would have never thought off. Not to mention that when you are offering a lot of items you'll have to pay a lot of taxes and this cuts down your profit.
Anyhow ill hope that a 3rd party site will be established where a lot of ppl offer their stuff.
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:33:00 -
[261]
This really is a poorly thought out idea. I appreciate that your forums kind of suck, and that I'm sure they take a lot of maintenance and upkeep. Hell they may even cause undue stress on your servers. However, you will be removing a tool for out of game communication that is critical to a healthy market. The forums tend to help people establish demand, check prices, get immediate feedback on their sales etc.
In addition, your contract system is still bulky, restrictive, and there are items that are either not in the contract system or that can not be placed on contract. In addition, the forums are an excellent sales tool for production based characters and corps that produce items way outside of the limits allowed by the contract system ie. mass producers of modules, cap ship components, blueprint copies, and T2 BPOs.
Your contract system does not allow dutch auctions, it does not allow flexible buyouts or reserves. It does not allow the bulk auction of items with separate buyouts. Finding specific items if you do not know the names of them is nearly impossible. In addition, the ability to browse by auction title fails miserably.
I can not stress this point enough. Even IF your contract system was perfect, which it is a long way from, the ability to OOG market and trade is essential to a healthy player economy and by eliminating it from the eve-o forums you'll simply see it either gravitate towards general discussion or towards another forum completely. If that is what you want, you should close the eve-o forums completely and let someone who is more prepared to deal with it take over.
Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Sales Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Discussion
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Harisdrop
Gallente Omega Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:33:00 -
[262]
I agree with this change.
It will make the blueprints channel a million links a second.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:34:00 -
[263]
please tell me that your economist, dr eieio, is NOT behind this incredibly horrible plan to get rid of the buy/sell forums.
the contract system well, it rather is suckadacious
at any rate, with only reading the announcement post and not the plethora of replies -- i have to say this announcement is as bad, if not worse, than the bob proclamations of a year ago that the goons would no longer exist.
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spurious signal
Caldari Brainiacs
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:35:00 -
[264]
What the heck?
I've made a number of posts in the past asking for the old sell orders forum to be split up into multiple seperate forums because of the huge traffic.... I was very happy to come back to EVE after 6 months away to find that this had actually happened!
And now you turn that round 100% and close ALL of them? WTF? Do you people not realise how rubbish your contracts system is? Escrow was BETTER, contracts SUCK. Worst UI design ever and given how poor the EVE UI is in general that's saying something.
Whoever made this decision is either insane or stupid, I'm not sure which yet.
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Grobie
Caldari Trolltech Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:37:00 -
[265]
Lol, CCP you cant be serious!
As an avid user of contracts (I sell BPCs for a living) - it strikes me as premature and WAY to early to even consider Contracts to be a replacement of the forums.
Contracts are so slow using when you need to wade through lots of different stuff (have you ever tried to find say: good faction guns for a good price. Do you know how often that stupid module list pops up if looking for all variants of a certain module on contracts)
in genral: the search functionality is limited to a few options you deem enough.
And you cant BROWSE for cheapies ... or stuff that hits your eye on the forum - you always have to know 100% exactly what you want from contracts -- </Life> |
Hexxx
Minmatar ironwood ink
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:39:00 -
[266]
Bad. Idea.
I've posted on this before:
Contacts can not be used for Services!!! NO! NO! NO!
Contracts can not be used to transfer Shares!
Hexxx LLP - Business Consulting Services - IPO's, Business Plans, Share/Stock Pricing, and general Consulting.
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Soldur
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:40:00 -
[267]
While I know that these forums may cause extra lag for the server (or whatever reason they are being removed) I wish there was a way to keep these forums. As I have read the newest post in the sell order forums I understand the reason that they are being removed, will there be any in game changes the help with the removal of these forums. As for me and IĆm sure quite a few of the other players that use these forums they make it easy to buy items remotely. Since these forums are being removed will there also be a new way ingame to buy items when you arenĆt in the same region or bid on items when you arenĆt in the same region as I think this is one of the main reason that people use the forums. It is a bit hard to bid and buy items that you need when you are 45jumps from the region where the auction/sell of the items is taking place. This post is not meant as a complaint but more as just questioning if the ingame contract market is going to be altered in light of the new changes being made on the forums. I look forward to seeing other players ideas and issues on this situation.
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Soldur
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:41:00 -
[268]
maybe chribba can set somethin us and save us all...plz
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Fabricati Diem
Burleigh and Strong
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:42:00 -
[269]
Please reconsider this.
While the forums were serving as an alternative to the contract system, they became more robust than the contract system. The forums are a superior method of trading than contracts.
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:45:00 -
[270]
Originally by: spurious signal What the heck?Escrow was BETTER, contracts SUCK. Worst UI design ever and given how poor the EVE UI is in general that's saying something.
LOOOL, that made my day.
I know the contract system is not perfect, but saying Escrow was better than Contract must be the biggest joke since the birth of EVE
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Dal Thrax
Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:45:00 -
[271]
Originally by: Matorek Edited by: Matorek on 21/08/2007 16:03:05 Edited by: Matorek on 21/08/2007 16:00:41 is there anything behind this decision i just can't see ? or does this decision really make no sense ?
i don't think people will use the buggy and low functional contract-system, they will instead do their business on other websites.
but if u want to stop production of super-caps, u r on the right way, no platform for auctions/sells and the upcoming compression changes ... i wonder what is next. btw would be easier to just take all the bpo out of game ...
not to speak of all the other services which are sold on this forums and the high end modules ...
an astonished
The only thing I can think of is maybe some legal reason? Maybe they need to log all transactions to cut down on isk selling or something?
Dal
Originally by: Seleene It seems to me that 'independence' is a relative term these days, determined mainly by the size and number of your guns.
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Icarus Carlyle
Gallente Streel Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:46:00 -
[272]
This would make a great Bad Idea Jeans commercial for Eve.
Worst idea ever, CCP. Listen to the masses.
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:47:00 -
[273]
Reasons To Re-open The Trade Forums
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prathe
Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:48:00 -
[274]
check your calendars at ccp you may be under the mistake impression that this is april 1st
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Macmuelli
Gallente Gallente Mercantile Exchange Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:48:00 -
[275]
Will open a forum which are for "non contractable" things?
like services around eve.
monthly mineral deliverys?
or trades /auctions around motherships?
"Ein jeder ernte Ruhm auf seine Weise.....Gunnar von Hlidarendi "
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:48:00 -
[276]
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: spurious signal What the heck?Escrow was BETTER, contracts SUCK. Worst UI design ever and given how poor the EVE UI is in general that's saying something.
LOOOL, that made my day.
I know the contract system is not perfect, but saying Escrow was better than Contract must be the biggest joke since the birth of EVE
global escrow claiming > contract
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Segge Bolled
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:53:00 -
[277]
I suspect, that if you listen very carefully, you may even be able to hear the developer/s responsible sheltering under a table, asking "is it over yet?".
It is what I would do.
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Cornucopian
Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:54:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Montaire What about unsupported forms of trade ?
scams, POS Moon Auction Location Trades and other various trades ?
The in game system isnt as lively as the forums, and EVE will be less for removing them :..(
fixed ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." |
Jefferson Dubois
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:55:00 -
[279]
*checks for CCP response Reasons To Re-open The Trade Forums |
malet
Quam Singulari M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:56:00 -
[280]
Seriously has someone at ccp lost it or what. The contract system in hub systems is dodgy at the best of times and now you want to add possibly 1-2000% in quieries to the system. Seriously guys are you out to destroy this game?
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Shiner BockBeer
Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:56:00 -
[281]
For all the reasons stated above. This change sucks.
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Lord Darkness
Super Muppets Accumulated Space Holding Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:58:00 -
[282]
Wow, This idea is well Icelandicly ********.
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Sha Kharn
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:00:00 -
[283]
Its ok dont panic the Devs and GM's were all out on the town last night and turned up to work smashed out thier skulls.
Soon as they sober up im sure they will realize what a crappy idea this was. LOL CCP that sure is a funny one hehe... The dev's aint stupid its a joke ok...
Who am I kidding
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Murukan
Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:01:00 -
[284]
horrible choice imo. The ingame trade channels suck rather largely as they aren't used all that much compared to the exposure you can get on the trade forums. It's also pretty lame putting items up on contract and hoping someone finds your item sifting through all the crap and scams that are on contracts.
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:02:00 -
[285]
i just hope that no major alliance, that like to post a lot on eve-o, ever use the buy/sell type forums. cuz then if all the people in those alliances posted their objections, we wouldn't be able to use any forums.
that'd be horrible. although, not as horrible as shutting down forums which are used because the contract system ingame isn't quite as good as the op believes it is.
again, i thought the devs and ccp people played this game? do they not use the forums as the rest of eve does? i'd hate to think that **** just magically appears for them and that's why they don't use the forums.
oh wait. |
hUssmann
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:02:00 -
[286]
Another mastermind by CCP, well done guys.
Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat. |
QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:03:00 -
[287]
God, not again. When will the silly mistakes ever end?
/emote sighs
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handbanana
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:04:00 -
[288]
PLEASE! LOCK CCP's BEER FRIDGE IMMEDIATELY!
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atambo
White-Noise Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:08:00 -
[289]
listen to your customers and admit your mistake...there is no shame in that ____________________
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Jim Linger
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:11:00 -
[290]
Originally by: "Wylker" CCP has finally mastered stupidity
<3 wylker
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Serakh
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:11:00 -
[291]
What the hell, CCP?
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Twisted Joe
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:12:00 -
[292]
yet another lame nerf - CCP if you wanna keep your PAYING customers happy try fixing the things that are broken (lag de-synch etc) rather than WASTING precious man hours on supporting half-baked ideas such as this. |
Super Unknown
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:12:00 -
[293]
baaaaaaaaad idea, lots of valid reasons mentioned before me :)
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Astarte Nosferatu
We Know Derek Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:15:00 -
[294]
So how are people expected to sell regions now? Through the contract system? signature removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected]) *snip* Do not discuss moderation in your sig - hutch |
k Rose
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:15:00 -
[295]
Third party forum, or CCP
Honestly Im thinking someone up their blaming sales for lag? Maybe its time to rewrite the Database so it's handling jobs better?
Put down the BEER and earn your pay
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Cazziopeia
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:15:00 -
[296]
This is such a stupid idea....Why would anyone come up with this? Alot of trade done via eve is done by people at work, browsing the...wait for it...Eve-O Trade Forums..You are going to make ALOT of people leave Eve for this. You might as well not bother with any more upgrades, no one is going to be around long enough to play eve with these stupid ideas..
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Queen Killerz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:18:00 -
[297]
Originally by: Cazziopeia This is such a stupid idea....Why would anyone come up with this? Alot of trade done via eve is done by people at work, browsing the...wait for it...Eve-O Trade Forums..You are going to make ALOT of people leave Eve for this. You might as well not bother with any more upgrades, no one is going to be around long enough to play eve with these stupid ideas..
maybe that is the idea?
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phantom crash
Caldari Paisti
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:19:00 -
[298]
Everyone will go using SHC now.
You made a mistake CCP...
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Cazziopeia
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:20:00 -
[299]
Maybe. thats the undisclosed Need for Speed update - P**s everyone off so much they leave...bingo. No big battles & Lag.
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Shiva Shakti
Gallente Hi-Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:20:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Entity Closing down sell orders, the most used forum on this site, is probably going to prove to be a mistake of epic proportions.
How are people going to sell supercaps? How are people going to advertise services? How are people going to run auctions of large number of items? How are people going to express the need for services or items? How are people going to trade at work?
Contracts are to immature to be a replacement for the functionality and more importantly the flexibility the trade forums offers, which is backed up by the fact it is today still the most used forum on this board.
Proceed at your own risk, CCP.
What the poster above said so fluently
You haven't thought this one through much I guess, and gone seems to be the mantra of listening to customers.
Heres some questions from a customer CCP: How can I watch buy and sell orders from work now, without the ability to log into game. If I can't get my fix at work then my addition to eve will subside and you loose a customer. Any ideas? How do I post my corps dividend payments, announcements and buy orders for shares not listed on contract systems or the game stock market? What if I prefer reading nice Firefox large print of sell orders instead of horrible text in laggy trading systems? How do people run IPOs for new business ventures without out of game advertising and Q&A?
I short I'm beginning to dislike CCP's new initiatives, since "heat" de-sync and the numerous patch for patches you seem to need to get a grip of what you really spend your time on.
Playing at god deleting popular forums will not fix the lag machine/game mechanics. Time should really be spent on something more important to in game players that making people keep refreshing the all regions contract search button
Visit the EvE Galactic Stock Exchange in game or out |
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Jeremiaz
Gallente JezCorp
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:22:00 -
[301]
This decision by CCP is soooooo fubar!!! |
Seraphim Io
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:22:00 -
[302]
Originally by: k Rose Put down the BEER and earn your pay
Seriously, were the people in charge at CCP riding in a bus together and were collectively envolved in a major accident where they were ejected from the vehicle and landed on your collective asses (heads)?
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:23:00 -
[303]
Nice move CCP
What were you smoking the day this came up in ya creative brainstorming for ******s 101 class.
Thx Master of Veld!.. Eve-Live added to faves.
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Originally by: Drykor Customer service my ***.
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Phoenix492
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:23:00 -
[304]
Anyone Fancy a Game Of WOW?
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Creepin
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:24:00 -
[305]
Quote: What the heck have you thought when you came up with this idea?
I'm really don't sure, but what if it's some kind of test? A test to see just how far community is willing to bend in face of disrespect, half-witness and plain lazyness before it finally express it's feelings in a way of decreasing number of accounts? One in a row of tests of increasing intensity, just to be sure how much exactly game support could be neglected withought noticeable loss of subscribers base?
I know it's pretty far-fetched theory, but in all honesty, I fail to see any more realistic answer. :(
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Ciaphas Loken
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:24:00 -
[306]
Hey, CCP dont forget if a single third party forum gets the reigns on this you'll loose ú1000's that they get from advertising at your expense as they'd have an imediate forum as popular as this one, plus, here you have the security of knowning that to whom you speak is a real player.
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Obiwan Kanoobie
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:32:00 -
[307]
No consultation with player base just gone! Big mistake ccp one which I feel you will have to change back after reading the above comments |
Major Dim
Caldari PROFTECH Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:32:00 -
[308]
No- no - no - no Just plain stupid CCP.
The contract system is ok if u kno hat u search for exactly. But the most of us just have some spare isk at a time and go to the forums to look for - what is actually offered for my money. That whas the big + of the forums. pricechecks and a big live choice of brand new offers. And u want to take that away? The only thing u will reach is that the market will move to a greyzone and 3rd part forums and ebey. If u really want that - it makes me sad. I accepted the lag, i accepted all the nerfs - but this one may give me the last shot to quit. U REALLY want the macroes, iskseller and scammers to take over eve. Well ur choice it is.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:33:00 -
[309]
Still steaming over this. WTF are you guys smoking? I haven't seen one favorable response to this lame brained idea yet. Admit it was a mistake and move on.
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Jefferson Dubois
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:33:00 -
[310]
ever feel like your being ignored. Reasons To Re-open The Trade Forums |
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k Rose
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:36:00 -
[311]
Unlock the Sale Forum Please ( this idea is awefull )
Then after you do that can ya Send mail again after the skills are complete Im loosing time
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Queen Killerz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:39:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Terminus adacai Still steaming over this. WTF are you guys smoking? I haven't seen one favorable response to this lame brained idea yet. Admit it was a mistake and move on.
Thanks for your participation is spam
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Greven Harlequin
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:41:00 -
[313]
Man, I thought SOE did some stupid things. I guess CCP is just trying to catch up to their stupidity level.
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:42:00 -
[314]
While i'm thinking of it, wouldn't it be better to have a funtion on the forum that makes locked posts getting removed completely from the forum after 1 month?
Or to remove posts completely that haven't been replyed to for 6 months?
I think that will help the server load for the forum a BIT.
Sorry if this was off topic.
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:42:00 -
[315]
Edited by: Galk on 21/08/2007 17:42:56 Well.
Makes absolutely perfect sence on ccp's part...
Everybody logging in....
paying subs, making and breaking records.... the old issue of $$ again over the multiple option alternatives that appeal to players more.
My issue with it, is the same as most others id imagine, practicality of easy access anywhere forum browsing, couple that with being unable to be browsing 'ingame' for 18hrs a day to catch those buyouts and bargains.
Those 18hrs a day might be the playing hrs of ccp staff members and eve.obsessed players... but not mine or an awfull lot of others that work for a living and have a social life.
Bad idea on that basis.... worse... as i was lead to belive ccp were looking to attract new casual customers..... ingame only could have a negative effect on that me thinks. ______
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Ngwee
Gallente 7 SAI
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:42:00 -
[316]
Way to go CCP.
I still think that the contracts are borked when compared to how neatly, quickly and efficiently the escrow system could be searched - and you go and do this.
Not clever and not at all smart.
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hUssmann
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:42:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Jefferson Dubois ever feel like your being ignored.
If this change goes through it's living proof that what the players want is redundant.
Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat. |
Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:42:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Queen Killerz
Originally by: Terminus adacai Still steaming over this. WTF are you guys smoking? I haven't seen one favorable response to this lame brained idea yet. Admit it was a mistake and move on.
Thanks for your participation is spam
My reply was on topic regarding the OP, yours is spam and trolling. Take it elsewhere.
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Major Dim
Caldari PROFTECH Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:47:00 -
[319]
Edited by: Major Dim on 21/08/2007 17:48:19 what actually amuses me is that CCP has been hiding that thread in EvE information forum where barely anyhone ever looks in. And they close each thread in general discussion related to that change. Someone doesnt want to hear critics? Typical CCP. Sad it is.
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MacDuncan
Minmatar Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:47:00 -
[320]
Not a good descission....lot's of valid "cons" were already posted...i still trying to find more than 2 "pros" for it....
You will lock out all the ppl who can't log into the game (@work e.g.) and still want to find something nice/usefull to spend their ISK... -- Might As well Train Another Race |
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Rail Duke
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:47:00 -
[321]
lol - bros before hoes
rail duke is the best rifter pilot ever = http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0708/rifter.wmv |
Treelox
Amarr Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:47:00 -
[322]
when did CCP sell out to Sony?
I ask because this seems like the same sort of half thought out drug induced stupidity that SOE normally would use to destroy a property of theirs.
Seriously you folks at CCP, did your summer vacations that you have all been returning from the last few days really destroy that many of your brain cells?
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I have been annoyed at many of the changes and problems that CCP has been having the last few months, and because of that I have been avoiding eve to let my temper cool. I think about coming back into the game in full force today, check the forums and see that once again my carebearing ways are getting more "luvin" from the devs. Thanks(sarcasim).
/me bends over to take it some more, since as a carebear this is the prefered position that CCP prefers us in. -- http://www./sigs/Treelox/sig.png [orange]signature removed (change the zombie gagging sig) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected] |
Lithalnas
Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:52:00 -
[323]
I would be in favor of a destroying of the buy and sell forums if and ONLY IF, some sort of out game item management system, something like an in/out of game ebay thing, something that can be actually bid on and have a discussion on the item.
and dont shut down market disc, for the love of all things good and pure, leave market disc alone. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards
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Rail Duke
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:52:00 -
[324]
wait you're serious
- bros before hoes
rail duke is the best rifter pilot ever = http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0708/rifter.wmv |
Kowaii Hitori
Old Warriors Pax Familia
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:54:00 -
[325]
Who ever it was who came up with this idea needs to be fired. This is such a foolish idea. I like being able to not log in and monitor minor things in market, maybe find a good deal on items, ships, bpo's.
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Neurotic Cat
Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:54:00 -
[326]
Just want to add my voice to the rabble: Closing these forums is teh dumb.
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:55:00 -
[327]
A spectacularly foolish decision. I am at a total loss as to come up with even one single redeeming feature this will present us with...oh wait, I did think of one:
When a third party opens up a forum to do exactly what the current one does, that forum won't be tied in with Tranquility so it will be up all the time instead of crashing when the game server does. I suppose that's a positive.
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Treelox
Amarr Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:55:00 -
[328]
Ohh i found a great graphical representation of the position that CCP prefers us with carebear like tendancies to assume.
-- http://www./sigs/Treelox/sig.png [orange]signature removed (change the zombie gagging sig) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected] |
k Rose
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:56:00 -
[329]
Well people this is the best thing you can do. because they knew this was going to happen anyways. Close your game *turn it off* Go play wow, or some other game until they re open it.
If they still refuse stop paying your accounts.
Yes they will come back with can I have your stuff. The ones who pay for 1yr or 6months subscription will panic. CCP will be bitting their nails for solution, to the forum threads. In the end either the game dies *I move on with my life and family* Or they re open your sales thread *Wife *****es more about me playing to much*
In remembrance of "Jimmy" Hoffa (February 14, 1913, disappeared July 30, 1975, date of death unknown)
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:57:00 -
[330]
i thought you liked "player/community-driven"...
sure, the constant fiddling with drone alloys proved that to be a farce but closing down a place where we announce research services, freighter services, (web)hosting offers, moon material contracts, pos fueling businesses, large capital stores, corp shares and whatnot turns that statement into a complete hoax.
contract system? try finding a numon family heirloom, or the cosmos cargo expander ('archiver') there.......
sry, but market and contract system are lacking and will never be able to cover "meta" stuff anyway - putting the gist back into logistics |
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John McFly
Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:58:00 -
[331]
How will people set prices for ultra-rare items if they cant search the sell order forums to see what it previously sold for?
Minigin says I'm not allowed to post in limegreen. :-( |
Grr
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:02:00 -
[332]
12 pages of "OI! NO!" allready, expect that to increase at an alarming rate CCP. Seriously tho is my PC date wrong and its April 1st today?
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:02:00 -
[333]
Stupid ideia..
I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP. |
Vandervecken Smith
Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:03:00 -
[334]
Edited by: Vandervecken Smith on 21/08/2007 18:03:14 This is sheer insanity. How will people sell characters, game time cards, ultra-rare items, advertise services, sell items the contract system doesn't have yet etc. This will simply move off site. Dumbest thing I've ever seen.
WTF is wrong with you?
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Trishar
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:03:00 -
[335]
bad move, very bad move.
Forums are much faster and comfortable to access then the contractsystem, and you don't have to log in on a specific char every time you want to check an auction.
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Comstr
Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:05:00 -
[336]
In the history of CCP's Bad Ideas this would be in the top 3.
The more you tighten your grip Wrangler, the more paying customers will slip through your fingers.
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Jim Linger
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:05:00 -
[337]
Edited by: Jim Linger on 21/08/2007 18:05:40
Originally by: Vandervecken Smith Edited by: Vandervecken Smith on 21/08/2007 18:03:14 This is sheer insanity. How will people sell characters, game time cards, ultra-rare items, advertise services, sell items the contract system doesn't have yet etc. This will simply move off site. Dumbest thing I've ever seen.
WTF is wrong with you?
thay are keeping the toon & time bazarr, that said
it's still an insanely stupid idea
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Caiman Graystock
The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:06:00 -
[338]
This idea really sucks and I'd urge CCP to reconsider. What can possible be gained? Close down out-of-pod experience if you want to cut down on forum load.
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Alcrista Somez
Amarr The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:07:00 -
[339]
No. You need to rethink this. To repeat the sentiment of 12 pages of feedback: the current contract system is no where near ready for this.
And even if it was ready what about the 300'000 eve users who 'play' the trade part of their game from work?
Just because its not part of the eve client doesnt mean it doesnt add to the immersion of playing eve.
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Treelox
Amarr Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:07:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Treelox
*snip* Inappropriate. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Do not discuss moderation or repost removed posts. -Rauth -- http://www./sigs/Treelox/sig.png [orange]signature removed (change the zombie gagging sig) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected] |
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Valator Uel
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:08:00 -
[341]
In a way I think it's good, now I can see everything ingame and not have to check two sources at the same time. On the other hand it screws people selling IPO's and services. CCP should just create an IPO and Services forum for these. -----------------------------------------------------
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Jim Linger
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:09:00 -
[342]
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Treelox
*snip* Inappropriate. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
maybe it is inappropriate, but no where near as inappropriate as your CCP overlords whimsically closing down sub-directories of the forums without even any effort made to think the whole process out. So to that, I say enjoy the inappropriate graphic some more.
signed tbh, mod your own failures first plx kthx
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clone 1
Caldari Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:10:00 -
[343]
I find the total lack of response or reason very amusing. Amusing as its holds true to the formula.
CCP make unpopular decision, CCP ignore all critism Life goes on.
Does anyone think they will get a response in this thread?
Always Moaning About Race Retardations |
Viper ShizzIe
Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:10:00 -
[344]
This is probably the most idiotic idea I've ever seen come up on the EvE-O forums ever.
And that's saying something.
There's no reason for it, the sales forums aren't hurting anyone, and if anything they help improve the game's player driven market.
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Jefferson Dubois
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:11:00 -
[345]
Originally by: Valator Uel In a way I think it's good, now I can see everything ingame and not have to check two sources at the same time. On the other hand it screws people selling IPO's and services. CCP should just create an IPO and Services forum for these.
And a things you can't sell in contracts because game mechanics do not support it forum Reasons To Re-open The Trade Forums |
Creepin
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:11:00 -
[346]
I noticed a great idea in another thread:
Quote: If they do this everyone should just post all their sell orders in general discussion, just so ccp realises it caused them more work to close then to maintain
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:12:00 -
[347]
*snip* Inappropriate. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
**** that ****, Your asking us to assume the position. Lets add some color to that request.
Nice pic btw, sums CCP up in a nice colorfull image. ---- Cribba's Eve Live Sales Forum Now Open!!. Cribba 1 CCP 0
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Jefferson Dubois
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:12:00 -
[348]
Originally by: Jim Linger
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Treelox
*snip* Inappropriate. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
maybe it is inappropriate, but no where near as inappropriate as your CCP overlords whimsically closing down sub-directories of the forums without even any effort made to think the whole process out. So to that, I say enjoy the inappropriate graphic some more.
signed tbh, mod your own failures first plx kthx
/signed Reasons To Re-open The Trade Forums |
Fitz VonHeise
United Connection's
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:13:00 -
[349]
Could this another stupid move by CCP? How can a person contract his services in game?
I have a business for Raising peoples factional standings. My CEO Post How are people going to find out my service or any other persons service?
Yes you can sell things... but How can you sell a service in game?
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:14:00 -
[350]
Originally by: Gaius Sejanus A spectacularly foolish decision. I am at a total loss as to come up with even one single redeeming feature this will present us with...oh wait, I did think of one:
When a third party opens up a forum to do exactly what the current one does, that forum won't be tied in with Tranquility so it will be up all the time instead of crashing when the game server does. I suppose that's a positive.
i thought the game and the forums were on seperate servers?
p.s. closing the buy/sell forums makes people stop reading the forum and play eve instead
p.p.s. not counting the people in this thread
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Cyrra
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:14:00 -
[351]
I just feel so bad for the people who sell services or super cap ships. This seems like such a bad decision.
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Grr
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:14:00 -
[352]
Edited by: Grr on 21/08/2007 18:18:27 Im not one to condone forum terrorism at all but if there is no forum for advertising sales and services, lets all just post in the general forums if it cant be done using the contract system or market. (But please no *****ing and spamming lets keep all that in this thread)
I mean what are mods going to do, tell you to post your services and adverts in the trade forums....oh wait.
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Peter Principle
Bellum Aeternus The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:15:00 -
[353]
My corp has been planning on getting into capital production and this move will make it significantly harder.
We cannot afford to build Cap Ships on Spec - we don't have extra billions to make one of each ship so we can list it on the market - We need to be able to build the ships that players want. The best way to do this is via the forums.
The Contract system simply CANNOT fulfill these sorts of requirements, EVER.
The problem with going to an external forum is, unlike these forums, there is no assurance that the poster is who they say they are. It might be possible to do something with API keys, but why? We've got a fully functional system here.
As so many others have said: This is a poorly thought out idea.
www.joinba.com |
Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:15:00 -
[354]
well... we could offer our services in our bio s OHWAIT! - putting the gist back into logistics |
Benvie
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:16:00 -
[355]
Edited by: Benvie on 21/08/2007 18:18:16 Why in holy hell would CCP even consider doing this? It doesn't make sense in the least. The trade forums are the MOST popular forums on the forum! The Sell Orders forum has more posts than any other one INCLUDING General!!!
1.) The contract system is still not in a state most traders would consider finished. It needs a lot of work to really be useful in the way people need it to be.
2.) The contract system doesn't support all items in the game. With this change there would be NO WAY to sell super capitals, POS's, and some other things. This also leaves NO WAY to sell any service of any kind.
3.) The restrictions of the contract system in terms of quantity of contracts are too stifling for most robust traders. People posting 50-100 items are screwed. Also the fact that it impossible to use the contract system cross region is horrible. Do you want everyone in the entire game to just camp Jita all day because that's exactly what this change is encouraging.
4.) You can't advertise the ABILITY to make items. This is extremely important in any large scale manufacturing like capital ships. These people aren't just stocking a dozen of each cap ship, they're building them as they get orders.
This is a blunder of EPIC proportions. It's unthinkable. It shocks the mind. I don't understand what purpose at all this would serve aside to **** a lot of people off. There's definitely no positive from it.
To reiterate and summarize, IT IS LAUGHABLE TO THINK THAT THE CONTRACT SYSTEM COULD IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM SUBSTITUTE FOR THE FORUMS.
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Queen Killerz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:16:00 -
[356]
Anyone here from Turbine? ->
This is something would do .. I know a few games that crashed..
OMG lest not forget about SWG Biggest mistake either
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Dyanmo
PBA Corporation The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:17:00 -
[357]
Edited by: Dyanmo on 21/08/2007 18:18:50 CCP...
how about keeping it open... what harm does that do..?
closing the forum solves 1 problem (not really a problem) but causes Loads of problems...
The Contracts system basicly sucks... it's hard to use, ESCROWS were easy to use... make contracts Escrow like...
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:18:00 -
[358]
Originally by: Grr Im not one to condone forum terrorism at all but if there is no forum for advertising sales and services, lets all just post in the general forums if it cant be done using the contract system or market. (But please no *****ing and spamming lets keep all that in this thread)
\\signed.
Still no Dev reply just there forum police lackies.
---- Cribba's Eve Live Sales Forum Now Open!!. Cribba 1 CCP 0
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Jefferson Dubois
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:18:00 -
[359]
Should we all fly to Jita to see how The Jita Supermall idea will pan out? Reasons To Re-open The Trade Forums |
Jim Linger
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:18:00 -
[360]
*snip* Do not edit a moderated post. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
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Je2aBeL
Gallente I See Dumb People
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:19:00 -
[361]
very bad idea ccp, definatly one of the worst in a long time, u are killing all the people who can't login to eve while they work or are in college or are away from theyre eve pc, people like me will miss out on all the good deals, the ability to arrange buy and sell orders, just because i cant be ingame 24hrs a day. very bad idea ccp, bad!!!
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Josh Causto
Gallente Fatalix Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:19:00 -
[362]
Wow CCP...The forums provide information to a seller what no contract system will EVER be able to do. Gee ******* Gee.
Originally by: Speed Devil
Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Everytime you fit anything other than a laser on our ships, babies die.
and when ya fit lasers on your ships nothing dies
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Arrgs
Retribution Corp. Enelaise
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:20:00 -
[363]
Do you guys even think before you make changes or do you just draw ideas out of a hat?
The contract system is horrible to browse. I can't bid on things in other regions. I can't have things delivered to me if I'm -10. I can't buy/sell supercaps. I can't offer/buy services. I can't quickly check my bookmark to place a bid at work. I now have no way of checking the previous prices of officer/deadspace items that fetch high prices. Let's not forget this will add even MORE stress to the server. Just what we need.
Pros? I can't ******* think of one.
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Ilmonstre
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:23:00 -
[364]
Originally by: Jim Linger Edited by: Jim Linger on 21/08/2007 18:05:40
Originally by: Vandervecken Smith Edited by: Vandervecken Smith on 21/08/2007 18:03:14 This is sheer insanity. How will people sell characters, game time cards, ultra-rare items, advertise services, sell items the contract system doesn't have yet etc. This will simply move off site. Dumbest thing I've ever seen.
WTF is wrong with you?
thay are keeping the toon & time bazarr, that said
it's still an insanely stupid idea
they are keeping them becouse that makes them money
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Termy
Caldari Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:23:00 -
[365]
Jesus, this must be one of the worst ideas ever. Epic fail.
I guess if you read through all these pages of replies there will not be a single positive reply. ----------- Not Blue = Shoot It
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Arrgs
Retribution Corp. Enelaise
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:23:00 -
[366]
Let's not forget that the ingame trade channels are already overspammed by isk sellers making them hard to use.
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Vandervecken Smith
Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:23:00 -
[367]
Originally by: Jim Linger Edited by: Jim Linger on 21/08/2007 18:05:40
Originally by: Vandervecken Smith Edited by: Vandervecken Smith on 21/08/2007 18:03:14 This is sheer insanity. How will people sell characters, game time cards, ultra-rare items, advertise services, sell items the contract system doesn't have yet etc. This will simply move off site. Dumbest thing I've ever seen.
WTF is wrong with you?
thay are keeping the toon & time bazarr, that said
it's still an insanely stupid idea
Yah, my bad. Fixed original. That said, dumb!!
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Jim Linger
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:24:00 -
[368]
Edited by: Jim Linger on 21/08/2007 18:24:25
Originally by: Ilmonstre
Originally by: Jim Linger Edited by: Jim Linger on 21/08/2007 18:05:40
Originally by: Vandervecken Smith Edited by: Vandervecken Smith on 21/08/2007 18:03:14 This is sheer insanity. How will people sell characters, game time cards, ultra-rare items, advertise services, sell items the contract system doesn't have yet etc. This will simply move off site. Dumbest thing I've ever seen.
WTF is wrong with you?
thay are keeping the toon & time bazarr, that said
it's still an insanely stupid idea
they are keeping them becouse that makes them money
ofc
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Soldur
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:25:00 -
[369]
we could always sit out side station 4-4 in jita and spam local with the rest of the lot.......thanks ccp;)
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Francesca Dell'Agio
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:25:00 -
[370]
Some more interesting changes around the corner, makes you think again if there is a relation to the planned commercial chats.
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Torrus Blatella
Caldari Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:25:00 -
[371]
I'm stunned, simply stunned. Why in the world would you want to move everything to the contract system? It's like trusting the special kid who refills the soda machine at the nuclear power plant with operating the plant.
Contracts will explode from the strain and people stand to loose large amounts of cash dealing with brokers fees.
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Ms Sepia
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:26:00 -
[372]
dont be stupid.
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Cremytos
Caldari Manticore.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:27:00 -
[373]
Originally by: Entity Closing down sell orders, the most used forum on this site, is probably going to prove to be a mistake of epic proportions.
How are people going to sell supercaps? How are people going to advertise services? How are people going to run auctions of large number of items? How are people going to express the need for services or items? How are people going to trade at work?
Contracts are to immature to be a replacement for the functionality and more importantly the flexibility the trade forums offers, which is backed up by the fact it is today still the most used forum on this board.
Proceed at your own risk, CCP.
2:nd that.
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Arrgs
Retribution Corp. Enelaise
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:27:00 -
[374]
Well, I guess SHC market forum is about to get ALOT more popular.
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k Rose
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:28:00 -
[375]
Well people this is the best thing you can do. because they knew this was going to happen anyways. Close your game *turn it off* Go play wow, or some other game until they re open it.
If they still refuse stop paying your accounts.
Yes they will come back with can I have your stuff. The ones who pay for 1yr or 6months subscription will panic. CCP will be bitting their nails for solution, to the forum threads. In the end either the game dies *I move on with my life and family* Or they re open your sales thread *Wife *****es more about me playing to much*
In remembrance of "Jimmy" Hoffa (February 14, 1913, disappeared July 30, 1975, date of death unknown)
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Lori Carlyle
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:29:00 -
[376]
Watch what you say guys.. there out to get us...
Hi, Gone''Postal You are receiving this notice in regard to the Forum warnings you have received. Your posting privileges have now been suspended for 1 week. This temporary ban will be lifted in 1 week from now. We value you as a member of the EVE forum community and wish to allow you to continue participating. Please review the Forum Guidelines so that no further action will be necessary to prevent you from joining us on the forums in the future. The EVE Forum Moderator Team [email protected]
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:30:00 -
[377]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/08/2007 18:34:35
Ive read every post in these 14 pages.
Posts in support of this idea: 0. Posts not in support of this idea: 401.
Ive never seen such agreement on anything before. CCP, you should have a talk about this internally. Please at least post the motivation behind the decision so people can try to understand.
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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Al Gizza
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:30:00 -
[378]
CCP this has got to be the lamest idea you have come up with. Just one question, why?
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Xeliya
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:30:00 -
[379]
Edited by: Xeliya on 21/08/2007 18:31:35 I like the idea IF there are some changes.
Sniper rule added to auctions. The time when auction is over is displayed. Allow you to bid on items in another region. Allow illegal items such as boosters to be sold from 0.0 stations. A more informative "Simple View" interface. Make the contracting skill allow 10 contracts per level. Make scamming on contracts a bannable offense like it is if you do it on the forums.
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Major Stormer
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:30:00 -
[380]
What a stupidly pointless thing to do.
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Cremytos
Caldari Manticore.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:31:00 -
[381]
Time to take buisness elsewhere :P lets give the webhits to some other server that apprichiates our tradetrolling :P eve-o? :P somewhere? :P
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:32:00 -
[382]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler With the contract system and market in game we have decided to close down the trading forums. They were created as a solution to a problem which is now resolved with the contracts system and it is now time to take all trading back in game.
This is a phenomenally bad idea; here are my reasons for thinking so:
* The current system requires me to personally fly to each region that has auctions I wish to place bids on -- EACH TIME the bid must be updated. This is particularly bad for non-Empire residents. * With a 10% bid increment, there is not enough granularity in the bids to have a good auction. * This completely screws those of us who have limited play time, and optimize it by skimming the forums over our lunch break. * There are many items that *can't* be sold via contracts, including contraband and supercapitals. There are other items that are inefficient to sell on contracts because they sell slowly, and would cost a fortune in repeated contract renewals. * There is no meaningful way to "shop" in contracts. I cannot, for example, look over the prices for faction afterburners in general.
I can't imagine what is motivating this change, but please rethink it. -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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Arrgs
Retribution Corp. Enelaise
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:32:00 -
[383]
I also s'pose CCP are thinking more people will make market alts which = moar money for them!
**** that.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:34:00 -
[384]
Realy bad idea. There is no shame to admitting it... so just postpone it until we got a realy good contract system inplace.
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Primaxin
Gallente Harbingers of Sarrow
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:34:00 -
[385]
Originally by: Termy Jesus, this must be one of the worst ideas ever. Epic fail.
I guess if you read through all these pages of replies there will not be a single positive reply.
Not true. One guy liked the idea.
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Grr
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:34:00 -
[386]
Originally by: Grr Edited by: Grr on 21/08/2007 18:18:27 Im not one to condone forum terrorism at all but if there is no forum for advertising sales and services, lets all just post in the general forums if it cant be done using the contract system or market. (But please no *****ing and spamming lets keep all that in this thread)
I mean what are mods going to do, tell you to post your services and adverts in the trade forums....oh wait.
Interesting, it seems the want ads forum is still open http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=579870 I wonder what would happen if I tried to sell something in the general discussion forum...
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Mack Dorgeans
Camelot Innovations
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:41:00 -
[387]
Now, come on, folks. It's not like this is any big shock. I mean, do you really expect sound decision making from people who give these two "news" items equal weight?
Quote: eve alcohol paraphernalia now available in the store! reported by CCP Wrangler | 2007.08.14 10:43:28 The most surprising thing might be, why didn't we do this sooner? We have finally added everything you need to show that you're an EVE fan while you're drinking with your friends. The store additions consist of an Eve Beer glass, Eve Beer mug and Eve Shot glass.
For our younger players, you may of course use these glasses to drink soft drinks or similar, alcohol is not required.
Quote: closing trading and ccg forums reported by CCP Wrangler | 2007.08.21 12:24:43 | NEW With the contract system and market in game we have decided to close down the trading forums. They were created as a solution to a problem which is now resolved with the contracts system and it is now time to take all trading back in game. These forums have been locked for new threads but you will be able to finish the current trades. The market forums (Sell Orders, Want Ads and Trades, trades and more trades) will be completely removed on Monday two weeks from now, 2007.09.03, giving everyone enough time to finish existing trades. We have also added the Character and Timecode Bazaar forum, which is for selling characters and timecodes only.
Since we now have the CCG website with forums we will be closing down the CCG forums, they will however remain in as read only forums as a form of archive. Instead you will be able to use the CCG website forums to discuss the CCG.
There may be some issues with replying to existing threads in the trade forums, this is caused by caching and should be cleared up in a while.
Please discuss these forum changes here.
CCP, please stop drinking and start thinking!
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Arrgs
Retribution Corp. Enelaise
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:41:00 -
[388]
Originally by: Jim Linger Changed to link
Please use hyperlinks, not embedded image tags, in this forum. -Rauth Kivaro([email protected])
hey giuse you like my banners? i make them for iskies, but i guess theres no way to tell you guys now :-(
orig: ccp homepage
Awsome.
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Grr
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:42:00 -
[389]
Originally by: Grr
Originally by: Grr Edited by: Grr on 21/08/2007 18:18:27 Im not one to condone forum terrorism at all but if there is no forum for advertising sales and services, lets all just post in the general forums if it cant be done using the contract system or market. (But please no *****ing and spamming lets keep all that in this thread)
I mean what are mods going to do, tell you to post your services and adverts in the trade forums....oh wait.
Interesting, it seems the want ads forum is still open http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=579870 I wonder what would happen if I tried to sell something in the general discussion forum...
It would get moderated and locked. Please don't make the situation worse. -Rauth Kivaro([email protected])
I see, fair enough but I was told that the forums are still open. This is actually incorrect new posts cant be made.
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Caiman Graystock
The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:43:00 -
[390]
It;s obvious why CCP didn't consult on this before they announced it, because they knew what the reaction would be and that NO ONE would support it, because there is no real justification for it. It's politics.
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k Rose
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:43:00 -
[391]
Edited by: k Rose on 21/08/2007 18:44:51
Originally by: Lori Carlyle Please do not discuss moderation on these forums - Kreul Intentions
Happens to everyone man, when you get to close to home they pull the rug, but if they yank your account -> There is more games out there "Don't worry" thank them!
ROFL they are reading "There that word again (M)"
God I love you CCP: Another great RULE!
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Eshtir
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:45:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Grr
Originally by: Grr
Originally by: Grr Edited by: Grr on 21/08/2007 18:18:27 Im not one to condone forum terrorism at all but if there is no forum for advertising sales and services, lets all just post in the general forums if it cant be done using the contract system or market. (But please no *****ing and spamming lets keep all that in this thread)
I mean what are mods going to do, tell you to post your services and adverts in the trade forums....oh wait.
Interesting, it seems the want ads forum is still open http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=579870 I wonder what would happen if I tried to sell something in the general discussion forum...
It would get moderated and locked. Please don't make the situation worse. -Rauth Kivaro([email protected])
I see, fair enough but I was told that the forums are still open. This is actually incorrect new posts cant be made.
Correct, that was a mistake on my part, which i apologyze for.
forum rules | [email protected] | Our Website! Want to be an EVE-Online forum moderator? click here! Yulai, we have a problem! |
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Solo2110
Amarr Black-Label Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:45:00 -
[393]
I would like to add another post stating that this is a terrible idea.
Regards, Solo2110
"I plead the 1/5th"
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Jim Linger
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:45:00 -
[394]
ever wondered what would have happened to SWG if there was no eve at the time?
this is it.
you guys are really lucky you have no competition
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chrisreeves
Gallente Asgard Protectorate Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:46:00 -
[395]
I remember someone coming in Jita local a while ago asking questions about the sell forums and that he was working on overhauling that section. I specifically mentioned that I personally use that forum a lot and enjoy being able to read it when I don't have access to Eve. It is also easier to use than the contract system and adds another dimension to the game.
Most people in local agreed .
Removing those forums is not a good idea in fact it's a flat out bad idea imo.
One other thing that I do not understand is why CCP continually removes things that the majority of people (or ones that use a particular feature) love and they do so without any kind of say on the part of the people and also fail to reply to the questions raised on specific points raised in threads that debate their changes?
You, CCP make this game less enjoyable when you do thing's like this continually. -----------------
Originally by: kieron The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Phoenix492
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:46:00 -
[396]
I had a quick thought, about super carriers, T2 BPOs and the like - Most people prefere to use a third party, so there is no scamming - how would this work under contracts CCP? Give the third party 30 billion isk to buy a mothership for you? er...No thanks. How can you guys SERIOUSLY think this is good for the game?
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:49:00 -
[397]
Traders: We've got something to sell! CCP: Use contracts. STFU noob. Traders: But we can't contract this! And it makes uber-isk! CCP: Start your trading own website. And STFU Noob. Traders: But I want to use an official OOG forum that has some ounce of credibility! CCP: Go shoot something and STFU noob.
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Josh Causto
Gallente Fatalix Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:50:00 -
[398]
Originally by: Chribba
Edit:
I've put the forums on evelocal.com online, they should work I think. Lemme know if that is what is needed, and what needs to be added/removed/updated etc.
Thank god we have people like Chribba in this community....
Originally by: Speed Devil
Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Everytime you fit anything other than a laser on our ships, babies die.
and when ya fit lasers on your ships nothing dies
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herot
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:52:00 -
[399]
Must be the worst decision so far.
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Shari Vegas
Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:52:00 -
[400]
This is all for a project for their new economist, to study the effects of a market when a big chunk of interaction is taken out of it.
I'd make a WTS post for tinfoil, but, y'know...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler I have no clue.
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Jim Linger
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:53:00 -
[401]
Originally by: Alz Shado
CCP: Go shoot something and STFU noob.
speaking of which, we may be wardec'ing you soon
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:53:00 -
[402]
And how exactly are people supposed to sell items and services that cannot be entered into the contracts system?
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Aelena Thraant
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:53:00 -
[403]
Bad Idea... Contract system has no way of searching history so how do you know what to sell an item for. |
Alz Shado
Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:54:00 -
[404]
Originally by: Jim Linger
Originally by: Alz Shado
CCP: Go shoot something and STFU noob.
speaking of which, we may be wardec'ing you soon
Rat around NOL much? I do! See ya there!
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:54:00 -
[405]
Originally by: Mack Dorgeans Now, come on, folks. It's not like this is any big shock. I mean, do you really expect sound decision making from people who give these two "news" items equal weight?
Quote: eve alcohol paraphernalia now available in the store! reported by CCP Wrangler | 2007.08.14 10:43:28 The most surprising thing might be, why didn't we do this sooner? We have finally added everything you need to show that you're an EVE fan while you're drinking with your friends. The store additions consist of an Eve Beer glass, Eve Beer mug and Eve Shot glass.
For our younger players, you may of course use these glasses to drink soft drinks or similar, alcohol is not required.
Quote: closing trading and ccg forums reported by CCP Wrangler | 2007.08.21 12:24:43 | NEW With the contract system and market in game we have decided to close down the trading forums. They were created as a solution to a problem which is now resolved with the contracts system and it is now time to take all trading back in game. These forums have been locked for new threads but you will be able to finish the current trades. The market forums (Sell Orders, Want Ads and Trades, trades and more trades) will be completely removed on Monday two weeks from now, 2007.09.03, giving everyone enough time to finish existing trades. We have also added the Character and Timecode Bazaar forum, which is for selling characters and timecodes only.
Since we now have the CCG website with forums we will be closing down the CCG forums, they will however remain in as read only forums as a form of archive. Instead you will be able to use the CCG website forums to discuss the CCG.
There may be some issues with replying to existing threads in the trade forums, this is caused by caching and should be cleared up in a while.
Please discuss these forum changes here.
CCP, please stop drinking and start thinking!
You just made me choke on my coke
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Queen Killerz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:55:00 -
[406]
Originally by: Jim Linger ever wondered what would have happened to SWG if there was no eve at the time?
this is it.
you guys are really lucky you have no competition
SWG *DEV* From what Im reading they are thinking of changing their mistake.
About Competition I wouldn't hold your breath there are some Sci -Fi games in the making "Just like this one"
EVE doesn't need to change things, they just need to stop adding more!
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Calgorac
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:57:00 -
[407]
so was this move done to nerf Supercapital Sellers?
Never mind whether you think the contract system is wonderfull or what... you cannot auction stuff unless its in your hanger in station and you cannot dock with a supercap so was this done specificly to Nerf Supercap Sellers? From all of me: Calgorac, Caroglac, Sixta, and James Omerand... |
Jefferson Dubois
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:58:00 -
[408]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler .....
Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
lame response Reasons To Re-open The Trade Forums |
Francesca Dell'Agio
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:59:00 -
[409]
Originally by: Jefferson Dubois
Originally by: CCP Wrangler .....
Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
lame response
I hope he's not taking subscriber responses that personal to warrant such a response.
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Nicholas Barker
MASS
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:00:00 -
[410]
THIS MEGA FAILS
Once again CCP do something totally random, this one didn't even have a massive forum whining campeign behind it. Congrats, you just pulled a bad idea straight out of your ass and didn't think it through at all. ---
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chrisreeves
Gallente Asgard Protectorate Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:01:00 -
[411]
Edited by: chrisreeves on 21/08/2007 19:00:51
Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 21/08/2007 18:58:14 And how exactly are people supposed to sell items and services that cannot be entered into the contracts system? EDIT: If I wanted to sell teamspeak servers or eve webhosting, I assume I can now post those things in general discussion or some other forum section. CCP wouldn't remove something that didn't have proper alternatives in place, right? ... right?
The point here is they either don't care Nyphur or they didn't think about that either of which worry me a lot, especially the latter. -----------------
Originally by: kieron The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:01:00 -
[412]
Edited by: dalman on 21/08/2007 19:02:09 Are you guys @ CCP just trying to come up with the worst ideas for fun, and the winner gets free beer or something?
Pushing your customers to 3:rd party sites is not the way to retain that lovely control you like to have. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Mr Judge
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:02:00 -
[413]
Originally by: Jefferson Dubois
Originally by: CCP Wrangler .....
Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
lame response
Did you even read the entire POST? Sure he made a mistake but it goes into much detail at this time we have to wait *before we can totally remove it*
CCP "What are you drinking atm?"
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Mack Dorgeans
Camelot Innovations
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:03:00 -
[414]
Originally by: Jefferson Dubois
Originally by: CCP Wrangler .....
Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
lame response
Bottom line is they made this decision KNOWING what an uproar it would cause. That's why they didn't give it so much as a dev blog or a real discussion with the community on alternatives. That said, they will be THRILLED if Chribba's forum takes over and becomes the preferred trade channel. It removes from CCP any responsibility to police transactions, maintain the forum, and (GASP) fix the contracts system.
What else could they do but get behind Chribba, who already has name recognition and a proven track record of service to the community.
In short: bravo Chribba, boo CCP.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:04:00 -
[415]
Hahahhaaa, I just noticed we can edit old thread first posts and rename the title, then bump the thread to make a new sale thread. At least for a little while.
Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened. |
Dave PSI
Haendlergilde S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Dave PSI on 21/08/2007 19:10:08 The contract auction system is a pain, i tried a few time to bid on items, but still there isnt a sniper and ending time isnt shown correctly i always missed it (i.e. the jump from less than a day to less than 1 hour is a joke).
I didn't care because its most of the time not that expensive stuff. The real interesting items where all sold over the forum, because everybody knows the contract system sucks. I could understand that you want to reduce traffic/sink costs, but all what will happens, everybody and his mother will need an alt in Jita to bid on the auctions there. Everybody online, cause you have to wait for the less than a day to less than an hour jump to start bidding. You will only move the traffic from the forum to jita, welcome to 1000+ in jita
Why the hell are you changing things nobody asked for and nobody wants instead of fixing bugs, which your customers would like much more???
Its thesame with the Mineral compression (i.e. stb, passive targeter etc.), are you bored so much??? Nobody want a change and nobody needs it.
Fix the POS warfare/soveranity, fix some office rerenting bugs, work on the desync problem, test some feature against blob warfare and if you are bored an stupid ideas like closing the market place are raising again --> fire teh ones which comes up with them.
T R U S T shop: http://www.evetrust.com // Haendlergilde [HAE]
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Preston FateForger
Caldari The Elear Eastern Star Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Preston FateForger on 21/08/2007 19:07:24
This is move is R E T A R D E D. Why doesn't CCP work on fixing the forums first? I have to use this website to actually search anything on the forums: http://www.eve-search.com/
CCP has to realize that taking stuff AWAY from players is never a good idea. If it wasn't implemented properly to begin with, don't mess with taking stuff away to try and fix it.
Take a dang poll before you guys do something stupid like this. ----------------------------------
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Flaming Lemming
Caldari Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:05:00 -
[418]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
After all, it's not like THERE WAS A PERFECTLY GOOD AND POPULAR FORUM HERE AFTER ALL.
Why should it be the players responsibility to pay for hosting/bandwidth/etc. for something that YOU CAN, AND UNTIL THIS UTTERLY MORONIC DECISION DID, DO?
This idea was about as good an idea as hiring Roseanne Barr to model string bikinis. Visualize that..that picture in your head is almost as bad as this idea.
I've only ever browsed the sell/buy forums..but can't see why anybody with an IQ higher than...well, anybody with an IQ period thought this was a good idea. No such thing as bad press! |
Caan Buhaao
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:05:00 -
[419]
I haven't played eve that long, but I have played other mmos, and there comes a time when the company that owns the game seems to think players are progressing too quickly or the wealthy are too wealthy or for whatever reason, currency has to be taken out of the game. It seems to me that maybe this is what's going on with this forum closing business--it's a gold sink.
If I understand the process correctly, a lot previously free trades will now be heavily taxed, which evidently is going to hurt the wealthiest players more, since they are selling the most expensive things, but it appears also to be hurting the smaller high volume people who are selling many small things, and being taxed on each one.
I know there are skills to reduce (or eliminate?) the taxes you pay, and I think faction comes in to it at some point (I'm still not clear on how faction or standing works in this game, other than in reprocessing), but that introduces another gambit of the older mmo: the time sink. I assume the time it takes to train the skill to reduce tax is significant.
I also have to agree with everyone who is worried about the effect this will have on the game servers. My most recent mmo before eve was wow, and I'm a little shocked that a game as old as eve is still having the server problems and daily unplanned outages that it is (I asked a friend who has been playing longer than I if it was always like this, and he assured me that yes, it pretty much is, if not worse). Older games used to be like this (anyone remember the rubber banding in anarchy online?), but almost without exception the newer mmos have much greater performance and uptime than eve seems to. I don't see how increasing database queries can do anything positive for server performance.
In the other games I've played, company representatives usually explained moves like this, but unless I've missed something, there was no explanation given for the need for this change.
Again, I haven't played long, so forgive me if I've missed anything obvious to a veteran player.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:06:00 -
[420]
Umm.
Sorry to intrude but I promise I won't take a lot of time out of your day. Just need a quick '1' or '0' on the following statement:
Are you, the person who put his or her Stamp of ApprovalÖ on this decision, certified as an idiot?
I know, I know. I usually don't go around asking stuff like this in public; my magic 8ball usually gives me all the answers, but this time the little darling was a little vague with only answer she could come up being: "All signs point to 'yes'."
Thanks in advance.
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Shari Vegas
Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:06:00 -
[421]
All I know is that the people in charge of these decisions are drinking heavily and snorting coke out of a hooker's ass at the moment.
At least, I can only hope that's the reason for this.
Or, maybe they want one of us to make a funny video about them with modified 300 clips.
"This is blasphemy... this is madness..." "This is... EVE ONLINE!!!"
Originally by: CCP Wrangler I have no clue.
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Queen Killerz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Hahahhaaa, I just noticed we can edit old thread first posts and rename the title, then bump the thread to make a new sale thread. At least for a little while.
ut oh
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Jastra
Gallente Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:09:00 -
[423]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
So now a private individual has to support and pay for something we previously paid a company to provide for us as part of a game, something that we could reasonably expect to have been maintained as it served a useful purpose and was well lioked, and did not impact game balance....hmmm....you have not replaced it's function with contracts, they do not work the same, thus you are removing valuable game functionality that is enjoyed by a large part of your customer base.
You have not addressed any of the actual points raised here amongst the general bad feeling ;) a little customer care goes a long way when people are upset, especially when those people are paying your salary ;)
If you're short of moderators ask for more moderators, don't shut down the only part of the forum that was actually a meaningful read
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Jefferson Dubois
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:10:00 -
[424]
Originally by: Phoenix492 Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
This is CCP's response to an outcry from the people who pay them to play? Whatever Happened to "The customer is always right"?
I think that CCP is out of line to basically say "someone has taken their time to make their own forum, so just stfu and use it, stop hassling us"..wtf?
Exatly what I meant by lame response Reasons To Re-open The Trade Forums |
Queen Killerz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:11:00 -
[425]
Originally by: Jastra
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
So now a private individual has to support and pay for something we previously paid a company to provide for us as part of a game, something that we could reasonably expect to have been maintained as it served a useful purpose and was well lioked, and did not impact game balance....hmmm....you have not replaced it's function with contracts, they do not work the same, thus you are removing valuable game functionality that is enjoyed by a large part of your customer base.
You have not addressed any of the actual points raised here amongst the general bad feeling ;) a little customer care goes a long way when people are upset, especially when those people are paying your salary ;)
If you're short of moderators ask for more moderators, don't shut down the only part of the forum that was actually a meaningful read
More Moderators means more cookies
maybe they can start handing out them state ships now?
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Lithalnas
Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:12:00 -
[426]
Originally by: Jastra
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
So now a private individual has to support and pay for something we previously paid a company to provide for us as part of a game, something that we could reasonably expect to have been maintained as it served a useful purpose and was well lioked, and did not impact game balance....hmmm....you have not replaced it's function with contracts, they do not work the same, thus you are removing valuable game functionality that is enjoyed by a large part of your customer base.
You have not addressed any of the actual points raised here amongst the general bad feeling ;) a little customer care goes a long way when people are upset, especially when those people are paying your salary ;)
If you're short of moderators ask for more moderators, don't shut down the only part of the forum that was actually a meaningful read
if your shutting down a forum just to cut down on moderation, kill off out of pod, i mean that is horrably out of bounds all the time. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:13:00 -
[427]
Originally by: Caan Buhaao
In the other games I've played, company representatives usually explained moves like this, but unless I've missed something, there was no explanation given for the need for this change.
They usually do. This is an exception, which is why its gets so much attention as you can see.
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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Marie Sklodowska
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:15:00 -
[428]
I think they made a mistake, ovuer said he wanted to close the CAOD forum, but wrangler thought it meant Contracts, Auctions Or traDes...
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:16:00 -
[429]
According to this source, CCP is moving all moderation in-house. They'll have fewer mods, and the trade forums generate by far the most threads, all of which have to be checked at least once.
If this is true, it would have been a lot more honest to mention it sooner.
My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:17:00 -
[430]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
So with other words you say: we don't care to support Eve with any out-of-game means, just pay us your **** money and shut up and search some other communities who supports you.
Good to know, actually I think the millions of dollars you invest(ed) in advertisment are completely wasted with such an attitude.
If you cannot even run a simple forum for the most important centerpiece of Eve, the player driven market, then you are really at your end.
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Nicholas Barker
MASS
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:17:00 -
[431]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
why not just re open the forums rather than sending us off site? ---
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Unvisibility
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:21:00 -
[432]
Hey CCP why don't you just do what Mythic/GOA did with the European Dark Age Of Camelot forums?
Shut them totally.
Ya see, GOA realised that having official forums for an MMORPG just gave people a place to moan and whine and call for nerfs and they decided that this was bad publicity for their game. So they closed them. Permanantly.
Soem website called BarrysWorld made new forums for DaoC-Europe which the occasional GOA employee posted on and that was that.
It's the perfect solution - let Chribba host all of these forums, for free. Stop having to waste dev time posting blogs telling us what's going on, just let us find out for ourselves. Stop wasting money paying forum moderators or community liaisons, cos clearly you don't give a **** about the community haha.
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:22:00 -
[433]
Actually, the timing is perfect for the following scenario:
Mods: Umm, boss? CCP: hmm? (minimizes Bioshock window) Mods: We gotta talk. I'm not gonna be around much for a while CCP: Hmm? Why? Mods: Well, I've got a sick...little sister. And she needs a Big Daddy to take care of her... CCP: Okay (maximizes Bioshock window) I think I get it. How can I help? Mods: Can we close a forum or two, to ease up on the workload? CCP: Well, CAOD is... Mods: pure hilarity, I know. But we get many more reports about scams from the Market forums, then we have to some due dilligence, trace records...it's a lot more work than just banning for profanity. CCP: Very well...Fiat! Mods: Oh, and about next week...I've got, umm, a new girlfriend from out of town, her name is Samus... CCP: I don't have a wii. Don't push your luck.
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d'Mortaigne
Seven.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:23:00 -
[434]
CCP, will you give me the number to your dealer? He sure must be selling some damn strong stuff!
Come on, the contract-system is a pain in the arse and offers a very poor overview of markets. If I wasn't sure before, I am now that you guys dont play your own game amymore
Being an Amarr-pilot Im used to nerfs, but this.. nerfing the Community? This sucks.
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:25:00 -
[435]
Edited by: Taurequis on 21/08/2007 19:24:59 Just leave the trade forums un modded.
Its better then any alternative. Its basically what we will get with Chibbas. He's not going to have the time to mod it himself.
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:26:00 -
[436]
Just wait for the next dev blog. I'll bet you they're going to disband the entire volunteer teams, deja vu UO.
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Sikozu Prioris
Cirrius Technologies O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:26:00 -
[437]
Now CCP themselves, the announcer even, is telling people to use a THIRD PARTY SITE to partake in a section of forum WHICH WAS PERFECTLY FINE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Are we going to have third parties answering petitions or running the server in the future just to save ISD or ccp a little moderation.
There are plenty of people which would happily moderate the forum for NOTHING IN RETURN
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Kru5ty
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:26:00 -
[438]
methinks we should be paying Chribba part of our subscription fee... |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:28:00 -
[439]
I expect the best he can do is give us a trade forum moderated by volunteers
My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Queen Killerz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:28:00 -
[440]
Originally by: Kru5ty methinks we should be paying Chribba part of our subscription fee...
Did he get fired?
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Zoopfury
Veld Junkies
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:29:00 -
[441]
This is utter b*llsh*t!
You have to be kidding, are you actually trying to ruin the game???
The servers don't even ****ing work!!
Do you really think people will just put up with this crap and carry on paying the subs?
You are making some of the dumbest decisions in MMO history! Are you sure you haven't been bought by Sony??
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Empress Aphrodite
Soar Angelic
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:30:00 -
[442]
Nooooooooooooooooooooo!
Seriously bad move.
Thanks to Chribba (yet again) though ♥ Empress Aphrodite
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Caillech
Minmatar Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:36:00 -
[443]
I can't wait until we have to code the game ourselves. We already have to do the testing, host forums, develop third-party apps to fill feature gaps, punish macroers, staff the RP acting group, staff ISD ... why not just hand over the keys to the code? Maybe then we can shoot down silly changes like heat and compression nerfs.
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Arrs Grazznic
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:36:00 -
[444]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
This is CCP's response? You've got to be ******* joking. That is pathetic.
Arrs
FireStar are now recruiting
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Seriya
Caldari RSP Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:36:00 -
[445]
10 hours 12726 views 476 replies <5 responses defending this decision?
Getting the message yet?
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Jerppu
Minmatar Brotherhood of Polar Equation Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:36:00 -
[446]
LMAO. CCP what have you been smoking lately? Why don't you just close the whole EO forums, who needs them anymore?
So this is again effort to start pushing ppl to do more pew pew? Then seed all the modules / ships etc to NPC stations for sale. More than ****ed right now, better to shut up and turn off the PC.
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Tauros Elan
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:41:00 -
[447]
I would like to say that I think the contract system is a good system, but these forums served as a location (at least for the corp I'm in) where we could find work that was outside of our current region. Without having to spend hours traveling from region to region and viewing contracts.
One way I can think of that would be easy to settle this would be to give us the ability to search the galaxy on a wider basis than simply by region. Allow us to search by constellation. |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:43:00 -
[448]
Originally by: Matalino While it is wonderful that Chribba has donated the use of another one of his sites (lets pray that he never quits) it still lacks the authentication advantages of the official forums. Please bring back a proper location for doing business on these forums.
They are talking about using the Eve API Key to authenticate people, that should hopefully work. But there will still be problems with bumping, ranting, trolling etc.
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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Arithron
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:43:00 -
[449]
Ahh, amoungst the outrageous (and totally, IMO, childish) rants in this thread are some good ideas for improvements to the in-game contract service or an alternative auction type website (based upon an ebay type model be good).
It's interesting how everyone gets on their high horses and slags off CCP etc- before knowing the full story, or if there is any replacement for these forums coming...
Essentially, by selling through the forums (hell, I've also done it) we avoid taxes etc in-game. You are b**ching because you'll make less profit etc if you have to sell expensive items through contracts- SO WHAT! Welcome to the real world...try telling your stockbroker that you want an alternative to paying his fees....
I'm awaiting official word on improvements/alternatives...if there are none, I'll join the rest of you
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Major Stormer
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:44:00 -
[450]
Edited by: Major Stormer on 21/08/2007 19:45:17 The main thing I don't understand is that the sell orders forum is fantasticly busy, its not as if they are closing a dead forum.
If interested, SHC has a trade forum- http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/index.php --- We are Recuiting! If you have what it takes, click me! Oh yeah...click me....yeah... |
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:46:00 -
[451]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/08/2007 19:46:10
Originally by: Major Stormer The main thing I don't understand is that the sell orders forum is fantasticly busy, its not as if they are closing a dead forum.
It has to have something to do with the rumor that they are rearranging the mod teams (page 16). ---
Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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Jefferson Dubois
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:46:00 -
[452]
Originally by: Arithron Ahh, amoungst the outrageous (and totally, IMO, childish) rants in this thread are some good ideas for improvements to the in-game contract service or an alternative auction type website (based upon an ebay type model be good).
It's interesting how everyone gets on their high horses and slags off CCP etc- before knowing the full story, or if there is any replacement for these forums coming...
Essentially, by selling through the forums (hell, I've also done it) we avoid taxes etc in-game. You are b**ching because you'll make less profit etc if you have to sell expensive items through contracts- SO WHAT! Welcome to the real world...try telling your stockbroker that you want an alternative to paying his fees....
I'm awaiting official word on improvements/alternatives...if there are none, I'll join the rest of you
The professional way to handle this would be to release the why and what will replace this at the time of announcing the closing. Reasons To Re-open The Trade Forums |
k Rose
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:50:00 -
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I can tell ya why I don't like this http://www.evelocal.com/
1.) Name of Character: In game, anonymous (any name will do)
2.) Someone can use my Game Name? Noway ( Im not buying into this BS )
CCP the mods here are LOCK happy with the forums imagine using someone else forum. Maybe thats the real problem? Legally some of the crap that goes on is starting to get Attention?
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3nkil
The Chocolate Factory
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:52:00 -
[454]
this is a stupid nerf- i mean come on.
how exactly are you going to offer services and high end items?
I mean if i want an officer smart bomb- i don't really care which of the 5000 there are- but i DONT want to have to type in every name into the search engine to find out.
the biggest thing is the feedback that is left for people- i know i can trust someone if they have 8 pages of refrences on the forums saying how reliable they are.
with the new thing now how will i know? oh i wont that is right.
There is also a HUGE issue about IPOs. I mean how the hell are you supposed to put your business plan in an auction format? How the heck are you supposed to discuss the issues?
Please re-consider CCP, and or change it to " Services and Shares forum"
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Boombastica
Majority 12
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:53:00 -
[455]
I'm an active trader on the trade forum. Every day at the office I scroll through the forum looking for good trades. The ingame contract system doesn't offer me the same look&feel to scout what I look for.
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Freyya
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:56:00 -
[456]
Originally by: Entity Closing down sell orders, the most used forum on this site, is probably going to prove to be a mistake of epic proportions.
How are people going to sell supercaps? How are people going to advertise services? How are people going to run auctions of large number of items? How are people going to express the need for services or items? How are people going to trade at work?
Contracts are to immature to be a replacement for the functionality and more importantly the flexibility the trade forums offers, which is backed up by the fact it is today still the most used forum on this board.
Proceed at your own risk, CCP.
Just a quote for truth here...AND I DON¦T EVEN USE THIS FORUM! worst.decision.ever.period. did alot of unreplacable hamsters die in the database issues or something? liek srsly...put the mentally challenged back in their cages please... ________________________________________________ NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS please sign :) i want purrty colours :( |
Archo X
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:58:00 -
[457]
Wow.
Chribba is officially greater than the CCP team. He gave us a search feature where CCP failed. He gave us trade forums where CCP failed.
I am all for voting Chribba as the new CEO of CCP. He clearly has more of the players interest at heart that CCP does.
Oh, and btw, does this now mean I pay my monthly fee to CCP as well as a monthly donation to Chribba so he can do what CCP does not? I wonder if CCP will be sending him a few of those RAMSANs and blade servers for his efforts...
Now I only wish there was a better game out there than Eve. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Do not discuss moderation in your signature - Kreul Intentions
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Hwellna
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:58:00 -
[458]
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
why not just re open the forums rather than sending us off site?
Because sending us off site was their intention. Why else would they be advertising it?
They are aware of the limitations of the current contract system. How can they not be? They don't want to have to monitor a WTB/WTS/WTA forum.
It is interesting to note that the Character and GTC trade forum is not closed. You know, the one where CCP makes money off card sales and Character transfers?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:58:00 -
[459]
Originally by: Arithron It's interesting how everyone gets on their high horses and slags off CCP etc- before knowing the full story, or if there is any replacement for these forums coming...
Obviously it would be the right way to FIRST introduce new things and THEN remove existing ones. Not removing first things and then developing/testing/introducing new stuff. That is completely wrong.
Originally by: Arithron
Essentially, by selling through the forums (hell, I've also done it) we avoid taxes etc in-game. You are b**ching because you'll make less profit etc if you have to sell expensive items through contracts-
Did you actually read the posts? Most of the items you CANNOT sell via the contracts: supercaps, services, contrabands, items which are not listed, advertisements and so on. Or you cannot bid for them because they are in completely different regions and it would take you ages to travel around. Or Eve is again down because of database issues and you cannot trade either, or or or...
Originally by: Arithron
SO WHAT! Welcome to the real world...try telling your stockbroker that you want an alternative to paying his fees....
In real world I just switch to some other broker which demands less fees or give a better service.
Originally by: Arithron I'm awaiting official word on improvements/alternatives...if there are none, I'll join the rest of you
Welcome then... the official word is already out, it is the update that we can use other forums if we want. Looks like CCP just stopped supporting Eve with their own forum, it is too much hassle for them or whatever.
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Siddious
Serenity Of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:02:00 -
[460]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
What a bullP00p..... Wrangler just give us a normal reaction instead of this.....Hope we deserve more that the F*ck you that you are giving us now. ------
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:03:00 -
[461]
Has to be the best idea you've come up with yet CCP. As we know, the contract system works so well.
Mag's
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Deacon Ix
Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:03:00 -
[462]
500 posts
Originally by: Steini OFSI The most efficient way to get a dev response is to have the word beer somewhere in your thread.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:04:00 -
[463]
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 21/08/2007 20:04:20
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/08/2007 19:46:10
Originally by: Major Stormer The main thing I don't understand is that the sell orders forum is fantasticly busy, its not as if they are closing a dead forum.
It has to have something to do with the rumor that they are rearranging the mod teams (page 16).
The mods at SHC have now taken down what was apparently a repost of an email sent out by Kieron announcing these and other changes to the various volunteer groups. It seems that we can also expect some (unspecified) changes to the moderation policy on these forums to help the new teams in their job.
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Francesca Dell'Agio
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:05:00 -
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for crying out loud wait for the blog
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Abyssal Angel
Caldari Solar Wind Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:07:00 -
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I've always been courtious (sp?) on the forums, this is the first time I've ever felt a compulsion to shout, scream, rant, spit, molest and insult anyone.
And it isn't even a stupid post by some attention starved forum (you-know-what) but it's a genuine CCP post that takes the first place as the most stupid and insert-something-that-can-be-snorted-as-an-insult!
Closing those forums, I agree is just to reap two rewards:
To not have to devote manpower to moderate and monitor it(get real!) and To remove more isk from the game as more trades through the contracts equals more isk that is not floating around and thus becomes a tool to stall inflation.
I for one of many would really like to hear OUR!!! economists view on this change and how he percieve the repurcussions to the economy and also a guesstimate as to the total amount of added time spent ingame trying to patch this mess up by the players.
This is horrible, horrid, horrendous and effing stupid.
I don't have any more to say, I'm baffled and freaking saddened by this total lack of actually relating and building on the relation to your customers.
You come out of this as, lazy and greedy (moderated by self, you guys just aren't worth it!)
Fixed Yay! have a cookie - Deckard
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:07:00 -
[466]
Originally by: Francesca Dell'Agio for crying out loud wait for the blog
Unless it's a complete retraction of the earlier decisions, it won't do any good.
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skilzrulz
Gallente OneZeRO Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:07:00 -
[467]
This is the worst move in all of my eve history. I cannot even show how angry I am on these forums, I MIGHT HAVE TOO GO TOO A THIRD PARTY FORUM TOO SHOW MY ANGER!
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:08:00 -
[468]
Originally by: Francesca Dell'Agio for crying out loud wait for the blog
*snip* Off-topic -TheDagda ([email protected]) |
Lardarz B'stard
Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:10:00 -
[469]
This is lame. There must be some shenanigans afoot.
* *sig works best with 3d-glasses
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KHEN
New Horizons
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: KHEN on 21/08/2007 20:12:46 I'm proud to be part of the EVE community and I like it. I think CCP is proud of the EVE community.
WTB/WTS forums are important parts of the community life : There, I learn about players, I know whose word is wise and usefull, who are the richest players, who can be trust and who are morons. I like to browse these forums because It's rich of condensed information about prices ,stuffs and industrial corporations. Contract system is nice but not as fast and informative
I used to read these forums since I started to play Today I feel sad to see CCP not supporting anymore these forums, even if I have the greatest respect towards Chribba, I think that this job should not be externalized also.
CCP, you pretend to like us, your community, don't nerf our communication ,information and trading tools because it is not only a bad move, but especially a bad image which you give of you, it's simply petty
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WhoreMonger
ShipYards Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: *****Monger on 21/08/2007 20:17:18 Seeing as were not allowed to discuss this in general discussions (THE most used and seen board)
This sucks big time. I can't remember a time without the sale and want boards and I have been playing since 2004.
Sucks that we can talk about it only here.
Sucks that any thread on the matter is locked right away
If only the same quick action was applied to the tades channels when the isk spammers are there spamming all night long
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Wadaya
Caldari Trailerpark Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:18:00 -
[472]
So are you going to let us in on the reasoning for this, at least? Or will this thread get treated like the 3rd day of a post-patch feedback thread?
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Ummon Mu
Troublemakers
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:18:00 -
[473]
Outsourcing?
Very bad idea.
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aUTOKILL
Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:18:00 -
[474]
wow, awesome job CCP! can you mess up anymore? just do yourselves a favor and unlock the buy//sell order thread and keep your player-base happy, because remember, we are the ones whom are paying your bills.
idea is worse than need for speed ~~~~~~
Originally by: Demitri Klashnikov "Wanna come back to my place for some pew pew?"
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Sith8
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:20:00 -
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A horrible, horrible idea Wrangler, and to top it off you try save face by hiding behind Chribba.. ( nice gesture Chribba)
Listen to your clients, to your Paying customers, this is a really really bad idea.
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Nicholas Barker
MASS
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:20:00 -
[476]
i'm so glad we can use contracts for things like motherships. Now if somebody wants to buy 100 units of something but can only find WTS orders of 200 units they're screwed. ---
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Arrs Grazznic
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:20:00 -
[477]
511 posts and not a single one from CCP about the situation, let alone one explaining why this has been done. The trade forums are part of the EVE community. They are vibrant and provide lots of information. Pushing players to a 3rd party site is not the solution.
Fuming.
Arrs
FireStar are now recruiting
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Logan Williams
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:21:00 -
[478]
Make ya a deal.....no wait, I can't do that on the forums anymore.
WTH are you thinking? Make a place then...in contracts to show an average price of what we're going to buy. Make contracts able to accept comments so the players can police themselves. I mean really....
No, you're CCP. You'll just do what you want anyway, players be damned. After all, the only things the players do is PAY YOUR BILLS.
This is almost like real life government. You get some...you want some more. Eventually you'll want to take Corporation and Alliance Discussions out citing the availability of creating in game channels for chat and banter. The ship setup and agent and crime and punishment forums will go the same way not long after.... You know the drill folks, "Corporation has to save money". Next we know, our technical issues will be handled by an indian guy with a product manual, our phone calls will be routed to wherever is cheaper for customer support, you'll outsource game programming to the penal system because kailed hackers are cheaper than free college grads.
Good call CCP, another QUALITY decision _______________________________________________ Countdown to Pron How long before BoB chops off Cyvok's E-peen? How much longer before the ASCN doctors can sew it back on?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sith8 A horrible, horrible idea Wrangler, and to top it off you try save face by hiding behind Chribba.. ( nice gesture Chribba)
Listen to your clients, to your Paying customers, this is a really really bad idea.
Dont shoot the messenger.
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Gaia Thorn
Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:22:00 -
[480]
U gotta ask yourself if CCP are trying to kill there own game. Every flippin desicion after another that scr3ws with the game. Your price exceeds the maximum allowed price of a curse bpo -Valorem ([email protected]) |
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Vandalias
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:24:00 -
[481]
Are you guys trying to force everyone into Jita?
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:25:00 -
[482]
Edited by: Nyphur on 21/08/2007 20:25:17
Originally by: skilzrulz This is the worst move in all of my eve history. I cannot even show how angry I am on these forums, I MIGHT HAVE TOO GO TOO A THIRD PARTY FORUM TOO SHOW MY ANGER!
Go to chribba's new sell order forum, I guess. If Wrangler's post is anything to go by, it's officially supported by CCP, not that they're actually paying anything toward Chribba's hosting bills or anything. And I'd bet it's not moderated at all.
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Quaird
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:25:00 -
[483]
What problem is being fixed by closing down the forums? This seems to be not a well thought out idea. Please leave the trade forums alone!
If this is still going to go ahead then contracts MUST be modified to allow bidding from remote regions. If that is not done then trade in EVE will significantly be reduced.
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Logan Williams
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:26:00 -
[484]
I mispelled jailed* in my previous post. I figured that CCP is on a cost cutting maneuver and wouldn't want to allow the bandwidth to edit an old post. I made this one to explain it instead. _______________________________________________ Countdown to Pron How long before BoB chops off Cyvok's E-peen? How much longer before the ASCN doctors can sew it back on?
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Nicholas Barker
MASS
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:26:00 -
[485]
i think they cannot change it back because it would imply that they're admitting they're stupid and didn't think it through, they're probably going to give us some new alternative and talk about it like it's some amazing new tool that does the job better when really it just makes the whole thing harder and wasted everybody's time. ---
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Remotion
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Remotion on 21/08/2007 20:33:07 CCP could you make a voting system for the paying customers of eve and let everyone vote i think it would be a great idea for you to see what your customers think. Also other then all the people trying to scam are you sure your server is going to be able to handle the excess hits its going to get in the contracts or is that what your looking for ? Im just hoping that you troll this thread and comment to me i would apreciate it thanks.
On another note the reason alot of people use the trading forum is that they meat people in game that have the gear they need off and on ounce they meet here its easier for them to make transactions at a later date. It also helps people by exposing the people that are not selling what they say they are. Last thing there are many people that try to scam on this game with contracts im just affraid more people will fall for these scams without this forum i dont use it much myself but its a great asset. Look at the people that are at work and cannot acess there auctions this allows them to see there game and do things while not being on the gamming computer so to speak. To me this seems like a really bad idea for alot of members but i guess the real proof will be in the amount of complaints in this post since there is no voting system.
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Aleis
Minmatar Playboy Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:27:00 -
[487]
Don't like it sorry resons previusly mentioned by others.
Also handled bad, something this huge should have at least been given a "It's coming in 2 weeks" or something like that.
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Siddious
Serenity Of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:27:00 -
[488]
Originally by: Jim McGregor Dont shoot the messenger. [/quote
Yes we will.. this because no one of CCP stepped up to the plate and explained anything or let say give a reaction to all the posts.. including Wrangler....
So lets shoot the messenger ------
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WhoreMonger
ShipYards Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:32:00 -
[489]
Need to update there own out of date post too!! n. A *****master. ShipYards Inc AlmostTM Everything Capital |
Malarki X
Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:32:00 -
[490]
18 pages and still coming - guess EVE comunity has spoken.
Shame CCP cares not
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/08/2007 20:33:38
Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 21/08/2007 20:25:17
Originally by: skilzrulz This is the worst move in all of my eve history. I cannot even show how angry I am on these forums, I MIGHT HAVE TOO GO TOO A THIRD PARTY FORUM TOO SHOW MY ANGER!
Go to chribba's new sell order forum, I guess. If Wrangler's post is anything to go by, it's officially supported by CCP, not that they're actually paying anything toward Chribba's hosting bills or anything. And I'd bet it's not moderated at all.
There is no official Sale Order forum anymore. Chribba has a Sale Orders just like SHC, but they arent official and you will have to create new accounts there. Chribba is talking about putting in the Eve API ey so you can authenticate your identity, but there will still be problems with enforcing any forum rules there. No moderators means its going to be a mess.
I think most people will actually try to use the hated Contracts now, which was the intention, but they will not be happy.
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:33:00 -
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Trying to find the positive in a bad situation -- maybe this kick in the teeth is to soften us up for some Rev 2 "New and Improved Contracts" System that hopefully doesn't suck as bad as it's current incarnation?
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:34:00 -
[493]
Originally by: Jim McGregor Chribba is talking about putting in the Eve Key API so you can authenticate your identity
Unfortunately not even your API key authenticates your identity.
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Gorek Loc
Fine Art Manufactury
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:37:00 -
[494]
Originally by: Entity Closing down sell orders, the most used forum on this site, is probably going to prove to be a mistake of epic proportions.
How are people going to sell supercaps? How are people going to advertise services? How are people going to run auctions of large number of items? How are people going to express the need for services or items? How are people going to trade at work?
Contracts are to immature to be a replacement for the functionality and more importantly the flexibility the trade forums offers, which is backed up by the fact it is today still the most used forum on this board.
Proceed at your own risk, CCP.
Against most of my principles, I will agree on this one... This is a major mistake by CCP to kill off a huge part of the livelyhood of many people. The trade forums play a big part of the people not currently being online.
Unless there's a hidden agenda from CCP, like scamming and a huge load of petitions, I will repeat myself, this will be a big mistake closing down the trades, sell and want forums. --- Compare items ? Image 1 - Image 2 Thanks to Daetusk. |
joshmorris
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:37:00 -
[495]
/me against it ... even though i dont care but u know if it causes more lag / game congestion when it makes trasding worse .. pointless.
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Alvara
Kuiper Belt Industries Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:38:00 -
[496]
Pray's for a Contracts API in response to this. Automated scripts, and a back end database to record retrieved data. Leaving open the possibility to do analysis on it.
Oh also. allowing me to surf the contracts system at work now that they are cutting off my Sell Forum addiction.
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Twacker
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:38:00 -
[497]
The really sad part of this is complete lack of CCP response for valid questions and concerns voiced in this thread. Not a first time, and not a last I'm affraid...
Support your community or die, that's as simple as that in net business, CCP..
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Logan Williams
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:38:00 -
[498]
There was an "Eve-bay" site not too long ago. Anyone know who's it was or if it still exists?
Of course, we could prolly EBAY too. I mean after all, didn't CCP break a EULA'esque thing by doing this? (yeah it's a stretch but used to demonstrate CCCP, err CCP stupidity. [no strike at our russian friends I promise, only against Communis, err Eveism]) _______________________________________________ Countdown to Pron How long before BoB chops off Cyvok's E-peen? How much longer before the ASCN doctors can sew it back on?
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Onereeh
Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:38:00 -
[499]
Come now come now. The only reason CCP wont back down on this is because they know if they give into ppl who constantly whine on the forums, then they'll have to always. We'll never see that lol
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:39:00 -
[500]
Originally by: Malarki X 18 pages and still coming - guess EVE comunity has spoken.
Shame CCP cares not
they cared enough to lock other threads about this issue.
because that was so successful with other problems.
oh, i'm sorry, that caused threadnaughts which shut down the forums.
must be the same person making all those decisions.
now, seriously, someone explain to me about this chribba forum and why it's an actual well-thought-out and GOOD idea? cuz i'm missing those adjectives in front of "idea". |
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Imuran
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:39:00 -
[501]
Add me to the ever growing list - Wrong move
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Eethrak
Gallente LiveTech
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:42:00 -
[502]
Originally by: Virtuozzo http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=495
Oh well then. If the forum team is just on hiatus then thats ok. No harm no foul.
In other news CCP, my bank account will be on hiatus next month. Its coming back, don't worry so there is no need to be annoyed and go blocking my account or anything. I mean, thats what you're saying there right?
Seriously, put the new stuff in place before you take the old stuff away. Basic common sense.
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Arithron
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:43:00 -
[503]
Secret Email...nefarious reasons...I think not...perhaps you should check out this Blog link....
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=495
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:43:00 -
[504]
Originally by: Alvara Pray's for a Contracts API in response to this. Automated scripts, and a back end database to record retrieved data. Leaving open the possibility to do analysis on it.
Oh also. allowing me to surf the contracts system at work now that they are cutting off my Sell Forum addiction.
perhaps there will be an announcement about this?
it'd have to be after an announcement stating "hey, the contract system has been seriously revamped". |
Baji Core
Privateers
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:45:00 -
[505]
This is a bad, bad idea... I hope this thread gets 100 pages of "wtf"
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:46:00 -
[506]
Originally by: Eethrak
Originally by: Virtuozzo http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=495
Oh well then. If the forum team is just on hiatus then thats ok. No harm no foul.
In other news CCP, my bank account will be on hiatus next month. Its coming back, don't worry so there is no need to be annoyed and go blocking my account or anything. I mean, thats what you're saying there right?
Seriously, put the new stuff in place before you take the old stuff away. Basic common sense.
A number of changes are being made to the volunteer teams. The Interstellar Correspondents will be working more closely with the staff of EVE TV, continuing and expanding their role as New EdenĆs news reporters. STAR will strengthen the focus of their efforts on greeting new players and assisting them in their early days as rookie pod pilots. The Bug Hunter team will continue to assist the QA team and most likely have a role in efforts to localize the EVE client into the native languages spoken by the EVE community. The Forum Moderation and the Events teams will be placed on hiatus as we take time to evaluate processes and procedures for the betterment of the EVE CommunityĆs play experience. Members of the Forum Moderation and Event teams will be given the opportunity to transition to the other three teams while new tools and roles are investigated, implemented and we evaluate other alternatives for forum and event support.
that makes everything better.
to the person who posted that blog anyways. |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:46:00 -
[507]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Jim McGregor Chribba is talking about putting in the Eve Key API so you can authenticate your identity
Unfortunately not even your API key authenticates your identity.
If you suspect anyone is impersonating you, you can change it at any time and no-one else can get the new one until you've given it to them yourself (afaik). This could easily be enforced by making the forum refuse to accept any one key for more than a month at a time.
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Doodar
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:46:00 -
[508]
so bioshock has been receiving reviews of 9.5+/10, anyone played it? |
Entity One
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:47:00 -
[509]
What a nice little surprise when I logged on today. Who's the moron who came up with this one? The contract system may be better than the old system, but it's still horribly inefficient in comparison to the sell forums. In addition, the sell forums allowed people working to check on their auctions every once in a while without having to physically log onto the Eve client.
By far one of the dumbest moves I've ever seen made by CCP. Overwhelming player input on this thread should key you to the fact that this move is unanimously denounced.
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MastaRob
Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:49:00 -
[510]
/signed this is a really bad idea.
I find the price history thing extremely useful. Fortunately it seems I dont sell supercapitals. Many more reasons.
Let it be, CCP.
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Hellraiza666
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:51:00 -
[511]
This is ********
Originally by: CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
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Arrs Grazznic
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:51:00 -
[512]
Originally by: Doodar so bioshock has been receiving reviews of 9.5+/10, anyone played it?
No, but the the http://www.blackprophecy.com/ Teaser Site looks promising...
Arrs
FireStar are now recruiting
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Jim Linger
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:54:00 -
[513]
ITT, we pay chribba $15/month to host a blue server
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Erikel
Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:54:00 -
[514]
Edited by: Erikel on 21/08/2007 20:54:40 This is plain stupid.
Edited becuase two pages had gone by lol.
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:57:00 -
[515]
Originally by: Arrs Grazznic
Originally by: Doodar so bioshock has been receiving reviews of 9.5+/10, anyone played it?
No, but the the http://www.blackprophecy.com/ Teaser Site looks promising...
Arrs
http://www.blackprophecy.com/screens/BP_GC_13.jpg
Hmm .... Einheirji fighter anyone? :P
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
dunston thorbald
Thorbald Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 20:58:00 -
[516]
Sorry CCP but this is wrong. You have just killed my Freighter Business. Thanks!
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Doodar
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:00:00 -
[517]
c'mon, it's not a nerf per se, it's a feature! |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:00:00 -
[518]
has anyone thought of using the trade channels in game more often and providing top notch services that dont need to be spammed to be used because not only are they needed but people spread word about it cause of the quality and cost? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem Cause I can -TheDagda |
Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:03:00 -
[519]
Originally by: SiJira has anyone thought of using the trade channels in game more often and providing top notch services that dont need to be spammed to be used because not only are they needed but people spread word about it cause of the quality and cost?
Let me know how that works out for you. Try entering a "trade zone" of any other MMO and you'll have an idea how to do it.
Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Sales Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Discussion
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nirwana
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:04:00 -
[520]
This is the most dull decision i ever saw from CCP. The problems for major industrial corps outweights the insignificant benefits for the web. You really want the old spamorgie we had once in the old single tradechannel with macros, bumping and yelling. Common get real, we dont need more lag having the tradechannels open for monitoring sales in them. We got better things to do.
You cannot sell capitals which cannot dock in contacts. The only way then is spamming the tradechannels with macros eating up serverperformance. You really want that ?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:05:00 -
[521]
First the Sale Orders gets removed, and now the ISD are saying goodbye.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:05:00 -
[522]
Originally by: SiJira has anyone thought of using the trade channels in game more often and providing top notch services that dont need to be spammed to be used because not only are they needed but people spread word about it cause of the quality and cost?
that idea is on the same level as getting rid of the trade forums.
seriously go TO wow, and tell me how those trade channels work ingame.
my mailing list suggestion was total sarcasm, so i hope your suggestion was also. doesn't read like it was though. sorry. |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:07:00 -
[523]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
First the Sale Orders gets removed, and now the ISD are saying goodbye.
i guess all the news wasn't bad then. still quite sad. |
Nordhaus
Industrial Services INC
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:07:00 -
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I am very dissapointed in CCP Wranglers edit to his post. It looks like CCP just gave most of eve a very rude gesture.
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:07:00 -
[525]
Edited by: Elmicker on 21/08/2007 21:08:13 Wow. which utter asshate came up with this idea?
two main responses to this one, coming right up..
First: OOG/IG "services" + other items not covered by the contracts
I was recently involved in the purchase of a popular ingame browser game for ISK, negotiated via the sell orders forum. How would this have happened without the forum? How else are services such as TS and KB hosting for isk meant to be advertised? Are these essentials to be binned unceremoniously? What about hauling services?
Then, what about the ingame aspects? There are several items that CANNOT be sold through the contracts or market systems. Foremost among these are supercapitals. You provide us with the tools to build more of these (freighter/pos interaction, sov 4) and then remove the ONLY tool to advertise their sale? Yay for contradictions..
And onto point number 2: Economics? Lol.
So, you make a song and dance of wanting to respect the player economy and help it along, then remove the ONLY advertising feature it has. Passing trade is essential to any trader's life. I will regularly go into the sell orders/auctions forum to check for bargains. Will i do that for contracts? no. Because contracts is flooded with high-volume orders that it takes far too long to filter through.
way to go, ccp.
edit: OMG. just re-read the first post, which had been edited since i first had.
Wrangler, you just told every single member of the eve community to go **** themselves. And you're the sodding community representative, you should be ashamed.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:08:00 -
[526]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
First the Sale Orders gets removed, and now the ISD are saying goodbye.
What was that? ISD saying goodbye? I am sorry, I feel I miss something, could please slap me awake and point me in a right direction?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:08:00 -
[527]
Originally by: kieron As EVE has grown, so does the need to support the EVE community.
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the overall goal is to support our players in the best manner possible.
From: Interstellar services department – past, present and future
The best possible manner is to close the trade forum and to send them off to some 3rd party site? Didn't you always say that the player run market is unique in Eve? So why are you going to destroy a part of it without any need?
The forums worked fine! And contracts aren't working fine and you know it!! Why would you send us to Chribbas side otherwise?!
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ammargal
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:08:00 -
[528]
I could be here naming all the disadvantages, but look at the past 20 pages and I think most of them ar ein there already...
in short:
WORST IDEA EVER
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Ammargal
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:08:00 -
[529]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/08/2007 21:09:35
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Jim McGregor
First the Sale Orders gets removed, and now the ISD are saying goodbye.
What was that? ISD saying goodbye? I am sorry, I feel I miss something, could please slap me awake and point me in a right direction?
Sticky at the top in this channel. And yeah, I keep checking my calendar for April 1:st. Sadly it isnt.
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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Arrs Grazznic
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:09:00 -
[530]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
First the Sale Orders gets removed, and now the ISD are saying goodbye.
So, there will be no one left to lock sell posts in the "Market Discussions" forum them... I see a solution!
Arrs
FireStar are now recruiting
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:09:00 -
[531]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro If Chribba's new forum takes off and he can find volunteers to moderate it, I don't see why it should be any worse the current forum.
It will be nearly impossible to verify that the person making the post is infact that character in game. Neither the API key nor the IGB can verify identity. There is a work-around but it is borderline on impractical.
Originally by: CCP Prism X P.S. If you think you're reading some information through the lines here, you're wrong. I'm actually just bored.
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VIctoria Ballentyne
Minmatar OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:10:00 -
[532]
My faith in CCP has now died a little bit more. The trading forums are a vibrant part of the trading aspects of the game even with the contracts and their contant pathetic attempts at scams. The game community is speaking Devs, open your eyes and your ears.
There is no more intrepid explorer than a kitten. ~ Jules Champ
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:11:00 -
[533]
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/08/2007 21:09:35
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Jim McGregor
First the Sale Orders gets removed, and now the ISD are saying goodbye.
What was that? ISD saying goodbye? I am sorry, I feel I miss something, could please slap me awake and point me in a right direction?
Sticky at the top in this channel. And yeah, I keep checking my calendar for April 1:st. Sadly it isnt.
You know, I feel like Alice in wonderland, or maybe Jinxy in the Twilight Zone? I am not sure, but everything sure feels surreal.
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Gimora
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:13:00 -
[534]
Hmm i dont like this, give us the by\sell forums back! there is enuf spam in the chat chanels alredy!
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:13:00 -
[535]
CCP doesn't care about what we think so... i'm losing time typing this and you are losing time by reading this
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shivan
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:14:00 -
[536]
Have you not thought about people who have a limited play time and do a large portion of their trading via the forums and only log on to set up private contracts. ------------------
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Turix
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:16:00 -
[537]
Im sorry CCP, i ususally support your decisions, but this is badly thought out and down-right badly done.
First of all you suggest that we take a very scam vulnerable area of the game and tell players to take it away from your offical systems onto a third-party website, no offence Chribba your a great guy n all, but no third party moderation system is going to be up to the same standard as the offical boards - not the mention here is more secure (You need a paid or trial eve account to post, a little discuraging knowing you post can be traced a bit easier).
But to be perfectly honest, look at this topic?
What 20 pages (so far) of what basically contributes to bad vibes about your choice, dont you think you did something wrong?
/Turix
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Murukan
Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:16:00 -
[538]
Since ccp obviously can't be arsed to pretend to give a damn anymore you all are welcome to come use the trade forum on the shc. http://www.scraphea-challenge.com
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:18:00 -
[539]
Originally by: Murukan http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com
http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com
Lazified, for easier visitage.
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Tixxie Lix
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:18:00 -
[540]
Edited by: Tixxie Lix on 21/08/2007 21:21:49 I don't even know why I'm paying money for this kind of service anymore. The servers are constantly having problems, there's lack of support/information given to customers, and basically CCP can do anything they want, including taking away an important element from the game that they created as a SOLUTION to a problem with the contract system which still (obviously) has not been solved.
I'm sorry CCP, I will not live in a dictatorship. There are plenty of other companies out there that want my money and you know what? They can have it. If you really do go through with such a stupid decision with total disregard to your customers then I'm cancelling my account and I hope others join me.
That's how we, the people, will hurt you. We can complain and whine as much as we want on the forums, even if you don't listen, you'll be feeling it in your wallet. You need us as much as we need you.
SOMEONE START A PETITION TO STOP THIS OR IF YOU DO CARE AND THEY GO THROUGH WITH IT THEN JOIN ME AND CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT UNTIL CCP GETS THEIR ACT TOGETHER.
I will not let a game I have invested so much time and money in turn to complete ****.
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Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar Pure.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:19:00 -
[541]
Very bad decision.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:22:00 -
[542]
Originally by: Zoopfury
Originally by: SiJira has anyone thought of using the trade channels in game more often and providing top notch services that dont need to be spammed to be used because not only are they needed but people spread word about it cause of the quality and cost?
You don't use the trade channels much do you???
You get an ISK selling advert every 5 seconds... and theres so many ppl in the channel spamming that you can't even read the text its scrolls so fast... Ans thats before the rush of ppl that can;t use the forums anymore!
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Jevus
Puget Sound's - Shadow - Triad
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:23:00 -
[543]
Edited by: Jevus on 21/08/2007 21:23:19 Lol @ Sijira
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:28:00 -
[544]
Originally by: Ray McCormack If you want to shutdown ISD and close the forums then do it, I resent the fabrications in the OP.
I'm getting more angry about this the more the day goes on.
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Eclair J
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:31:00 -
[545]
This all smells of streamlining.
Sometimes that can be good, trimming the fat and improving things elsewhere. Other times it's bad and is a sign of desperation to fix some deeper problem.
Forum cutbacks, ISD layoffs and now effectively a "yay look at cribba, go there, get lost".
Tin foil hat time I think.
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Khan Dhu
Khan Dhu Research and Cloning
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:31:00 -
[546]
Though I doubt you're still reading by this point:
The contracts system needs an incredible amount of work before it's ready to completely replace the Sell Forums. If you're looking for a specific item, it's hard to trust contracts because depending on the keywords you use, new/different results will always come up.
You want to get rid of the sell forums? Here are two suggestions:
1) Right clicking on the "Variations" tab in the module info window pops up a "search for this item on contracts" option. This way a search will be run in the system for the items "tag." This will completely cull scamming entirely, and no matter what the seller types in the description, the item will come up in the results.
2) Add every item to the market so they can be bought and sold without having to rely on the contracts system.
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Mooogie
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:32:00 -
[547]
Awww no!! Just when I was thinking of actually using it to post a sell order of my own!!!
This is a sad surprise. I seriously hope you guys will reconsider this, but i sincerely thank Chribba for once again contributing to this community.
As for this forum nerf...
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Siddious
Serenity Of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:35:00 -
[548]
Searching for items that you need is easy.. It is finding that item you thought you did not need. ------
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:36:00 -
[549]
Originally by: *****Monger Lol....the amazing thing is the eve market is built on supply and demand.
We the "CUSTOMERS" DEMAND you "CCP" SUPPLY us with our trade boards again.
I'm guessing there's no response cause even the GM's /ISD etc don't agree with it.
I predict the following will now occur in
Ship / Trade / Mineral / other Channels
Isk spam Isk spam Isk spam Isk spam Isk spam Isk spam Isk spam Isk spam WTS ship for xxxx Isk spam Isk spam Isk spam Isk spam Isk spam WTB Ship for xxxx Isk spam Isk spam Isk spam Isk spam Isk spam
Get the idea?
This has been going on for some time now and nothing is being done about it either. Trade is being nerfed big time here.
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente Condottieri Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:36:00 -
[550]
Originally by: Dr Aryandi Ok, I can see how an argument can be made for things like auctions and sell orders being replaced by contracts. I don't really have a problem with that although I did like browsing the sell order forum from time to time.
But how about services?
My research service gets around half of its business from the sell order forum post (the rest is word of mouth with a few from the Eon ad). I imagine other services are similar.
The contracts does not provide a suitable forum for me to advertise 'can research any BPO you like much faster than empire labs and without you needing to train skills'.
I can see reasoning behind closing down the sell forums/tradeforums/buy forums. But my biggest gripe is this one that was menioned early on. Many services are advertised on these forums, as well as hiring orders.
Perhaps you could open up a Services forum, For people to advertise Hiring Mercs, and Services offered?
CEO, Condottieri Industries
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:38:00 -
[551]
Originally by: Jobie Thickburger Perhaps you could open up a Services forum, For people to advertise Hiring Mercs, and Services offered?
Or better yet, leave the sales forums alone!
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Ronny Hendriks
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:39:00 -
[552]
Stupid choice is all i can say about this and i surely hope CCP reconsiders this decision. The current ingame system is not capable of that what is needed nor gives it the abilities the forum provides. please CCP for the love of EVE stop making decisions like this.. it saddens us all!
lots of respect to Chribba for his efforts! but i find it a shame CCP turns this road. especially editing the OP to include to new off-site forums chribba created. Chribba does A LOT for the EVE Community but Sell forums for ingame items should be done by CCP like it always has been! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Rangar
Gallente The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:39:00 -
[553]
Edited by: Rangar on 21/08/2007 21:39:43 Hm, CCP is doing strange things since a while. About to close the game down? If you make more of such nonsense it won't take long until nobody plays anymore!
That damn contract system is just a bug and not a useful tool!
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Ummon Mu
Troublemakers
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:41:00 -
[554]
Originally by: Bhagat The more and more i look at this game; i find less reason to stay.
To counter one addiction, find another one ;)
Also, as already stated: Bad move.
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Khan Dhu
Khan Dhu Research and Cloning
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:41:00 -
[555]
Also - how are things like motherships going to be sold without the sell forums?
You can't DOCK the damned things without GM assistance, so you can't sell them on contracts.
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Ho Soki
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:46:00 -
[556]
Originally by: Rangar CCP is doing strange things since a while. About to close the game down? If you make more of such nonsense it won't take long until nobody plays anymore!
Absolutely agreeing!
CCP wake up!!
You are just going to destroy a large and healthy part of your playerbase! What was so bad with the forum that you need to shut it down?? It has so many valuable information! Also the contracts are completely inadequade for a wide range if things which are offered at the forums.
And then to tell us to **** off and go elsewhere! No problem, but we will take our money with us also and our accounts and then Eve will quickly go down the drain.
You know, you did a lot of bad stuff recently. And the server trouble and the disconnects and database issues are not helping to improve the mood of the players. Now you **** them off even more with closing a working and very liked feature... think!!
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:46:00 -
[557]
Originally by: Khan Dhu Also - how are things like motherships going to be sold without the sell forums?
You can't DOCK the damned things without GM assistance, so you can't sell them on contracts.
I think this is a seperate issue that needs it's own design change..
GM's wont help you trade a MoM/Titan anyhow.. I would LOVE to see a way for these to be traded, but I dont think this thread is the ideal place to argue for that.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:47:00 -
[558]
Somehow I missed news today, and I was wondering why the hell was EVE *so* slow today. I assumed it was because of crash today, so something was still broken.
However, it seems I was wrong.
Bad move CCP, and it can be felt already.
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Macon Squaredealer
Squaredeal Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:48:00 -
[559]
The fact that the Sell Order forum is wildly popular is proof that the contract system isn't doing the job you intended it to do very well. You know what's wrong with it, it's shortcomings have been posted throughout this thread. Why didn't you fix it before you took this action?
As for the real reason you are taking this action (which I won't get into here) I would close every single one of the the other forums down before I closed the Sell Order forum. Most of the other are nothing more than people shaking their e-peens at each other and I wouldn't miss them a bit. ___________________________________________ Watch for the Squaredeal Enterprises IPO in the coming months. |
SPIONKOP
Caldari Macabre Votum INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:52:00 -
[560]
Its not April 1st is it?
Damn stupid idea.
Shame on you CCP. Space For Rent.
100mil ISK/Week.
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Xendie
Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:54:00 -
[561]
Absolutely stupid idea, no need to reiterate what everyone has already mentioned.
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Jaarlax
Ratty Corp PLC Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:56:00 -
[562]
617 posts, and as far as i can see 100% against the closure (618 including me).
i think it's safe to say the community doesnt want this, and now you've posted a ling to another forum for us to goto!! why, this is our game why cant we use our own forums for our own game??
contracts can NOT take the place of the trade forums!!
change your mind now please
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:58:00 -
[563]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
This is not an acceptable solution.
The trade forums acted as a useful trade tool and that functionality can't be matched by the contracts system. It's ridiculous that you would resolve this by 'outsourcing' that functionality.
-- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:58:00 -
[564]
get ready for petition of people sellig something off of the eve forums everyday. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Quote: Why didn't we use them 80 man-years to fix bugs?
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NovaPod
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:00:00 -
[565]
Well they even stickied the the thread with the link to this ¦new forum¦ but refuse to reply here to their customers.
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:02:00 -
[566]
Im sorry CCP, but yes this is a very very bad idea.
I implore that everyone sign this petition Here so CCP can see just how strongly people feel about this.
CCP please dont be afraid of overturning a decition! You wont lose respect in our eyes you'll gain it in unprecidented levels!!!!!!
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DRMALIKIA
United Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:03:00 -
[567]
Originally by: CCP Cool Dude
Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his EVE-Live website in the forum section.
HA HA HA HA!!!!!!
Wow I am really fighting back the urge to punch my screen right now. I barely use the forums for trading and it ****es me off. 21 pages later and still no dev response besides the above added comment. What a joke!?
TRADER Career DEAD!
Services Career DEAD!
Forget the long post by Wrangler, just tell people to shove off CCP. Would save the long winded post and let everyone know how you really feel instead of just hinting at how you feel. Cut to the chase.
Nice defelection to Chibbra whomever so you do not have to do the work or maintain the responsibility.
If anyone missed it, EVE is getting more and more Corporate each and every day!!!!!! Pretty soon, they won't even need players to support the game!!!! It will just support itself and be a magical money generating machine!!!
DRMALIKIA /emote jumps off a bridge and hangs himself in protest.
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Tusko Hopkins
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:06:00 -
[568]
CCP, closing the trade forums is a bad idea. Limiting interpersonal communication is generally a bad idea, but doing this with a forum that has actually some use apart from chatting is an even worse one. The contract system does not substitute the forum.
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Tipsy
Gallente X-Factor Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:06:00 -
[569]
I am surprised that CCP would decide upon a change of this magnitude without making any effort to consult the players in advance.
In March Oveur said: "We always say amongst ourselves that the moment the playerbase doesn't respond to changes, be that in an positive or negative way, will be the end. Apathy will be the death of us. "
The playerbase has responded in a negative way. You can pat yourselves on the back for provoking a strong response, or you ask yourselves why you have unnecessarily irritated the players by making an unpopular change without even giving a proper account of the reasoning behind it.
We care - for now. If you continue to demonstrate this level of detachment from the views of the players, it really will be the death of you.
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:07:00 -
[570]
Edited by: Matalino on 21/08/2007 22:07:52
Originally by: Taurequis I'm getting more angry about this the more the day goes on.
I feel the same way.
Originally by: NovaPod Well they even stickied the the thread with the link to this ¦new forum¦ but refuse to reply here to their customers.
This is what bothers me the most.
Originally by: Lothros Andastar CCP please dont be afraid of overturning a decition! You wont lose respect in our eyes you'll gain it in unprecidented levels!!!!!!
Agreed, they earned a lot of respect in my eyes when they deleyed the recycling nerf and other balancing adjustments to Rev 2.2 eariler this month due to comminuty feedback. I feel that this is an even bigger issue, and needs to be addresses much faster because it was implimented without consulting the comminity first.
Originally by: CCP Prism X P.S. If you think you're reading some information through the lines here, you're wrong. I'm actually just bored.
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Breathing
Mork Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:11:00 -
[571]
At the very least Wrangler, surely CCP should answer the questions people are asking.
Making such a big change and then not even bothering to turn up to defend it and explain whats going on is lame. Really lame.
Theres a lot of very legitimate questions that deserve answering.
People have REAL concerns about areas of the game that will be effected by this.
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DRMALIKIA
United Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:13:00 -
[572]
Originally by: Breathing At the very least Wrangler, surely CCP should answer the questions people are asking.
Making such a big change and then not even bothering to turn up to defend it and explain whats going on is lame. Really lame.
Theres a lot of very legitimate questions that deserve answering.
People have REAL concerns about areas of the game that will be effected by this.
LOL no one is around to respond they moved them all to do more work on the "Need for Speed" iniative. Or how about the "Factional Warfare"? Or wait yet, even better "Contracts".
/MAJOR SARCASIM
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Breathing
Mork Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:17:00 -
[573]
Originally by: DRMALIKIA
Originally by: Breathing At the very least Wrangler, surely CCP should answer the questions people are asking.
Making such a big change and then not even bothering to turn up to defend it and explain whats going on is lame. Really lame.
Theres a lot of very legitimate questions that deserve answering.
People have REAL concerns about areas of the game that will be effected by this.
LOL no one is around to respond they moved them all to do more work on the "Need for Speed" iniative. Or how about the "Factional Warfare"? Or wait yet, even better "Contracts".
/MAJOR SARCASIM
Unfortunately, I suspect youre right. Posting like that on a thread thats run to 20 odd pages in a few hours and been summarily ignored is more of a dying last gasp than anything thats expected to yield a result.
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:19:00 -
[574]
Edited by: Shirei on 21/08/2007 22:23:01 Wonderful.. now even more people will end up going to Jita/The Forge to sell/buy their stuff because you still can't bid on auctions or accept contracts in different regions.
Worst thing to have happened to the EVE market in the last 4 years tbh.
Third-party websites won't really help, they'll never reach the required amount of registered visitors to make them anything close to worthwhile for selling.
If contracts worked properly, it would be fine, but as long as they don't: - allow bidding/accepting them in different regions - allow searching for groups of items rather than only individual names - allow searching some kind of history - allow updating/lowering the price after a contract has been started (without incurring yet another 0.5-1% fee) - allow specifying a bid increment on auctions
They will be nothing more than a disappointing stop-gap solution for player trading.
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Greme
Amarr Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:20:00 -
[575]
I don't even use the forums and I can see how bad an Idea this is. So many others do, it's not forums OR the contract system (though i'm sure people would probably choose forums if it were), you CAN have both. Surely there is not such great a load created by the trade forums that they need removal...
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War Bear
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:21:00 -
[576]
You're closing down the trading forum because you think your "solution" is going to take up all that slack. You couldn't be further from the truth. Just because a third party decides to step up to the plate (thanks Chribba) doesn't let you off the hook. There is ZERO need for you guys to remove that forum. People will still use the contract system as intended. Other items and services that can't be covered in the contract system or are cost prohibitive (mothership sale anyone?) are up ****s creek without a paddle.
Want to remove something? How about Out of Pod Experience? Doesn't have anything to do with the game but its there. How about Eve Technology Lab or Localization Development and Discussion? They get nearly jack all for traffic, nuke them ffs. Don't wave the bloody forum nerf bat around on some of the higher traffic channels because you think its superfluous.
@#$%#@^ BEAR SMASH ....
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Sihar
Sihars Little Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:23:00 -
[577]
I agree with the many previous posters: a very bad decision which is completely against the interests of your playerbase. All the bad reasons are already summed up.
Please think about this decision again!
There is no shame in making a mistake. The only shame is in sticking to this mistake after discovering that it was a mistake.
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:30:00 -
[578]
Official response to your customers from the community representative would be nice. You know, after 22 pages of posts and a universal "wtf?"
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:34:00 -
[579]
I shouldn't say it, but I can't help it. I love EVE.
In recent past we've seen an increase of the pace and the severity of screwups, both out of a severely increasing complexity of the product on sale here, and because of a sharply rising trend and refocus in marketing, management and communication methods and styles - internal to the corporation and external towards its customer base, which in commercial venture terms would get flagged with "withdraw investments / interests".
Here's a brilliant product, with such an immersion and exposure factor that you do not need to dive into low level crap like viral marketing setups, exposure deals, technology acquisitions or the likes. As a company CCP have always had a strong focus on their product, and their customer base - but through growing pains and detachment both for internal and external processes both the focus and the affinity with product affairs are gone.
Again we see an event which could have been not just handled better, but which should have been handled better. It isn't about moving from volunteer structures to internalised structures (or even who you are moving those to btw), but it is how you handle that. This is commerce. Corporations have migration processes for such things, particularly to minimise impact for both employees and customers. Still, this is just one angle in just those debate, and there's a myriad of facets applying here.
In slightly less then recent past it's been clearly demonstrated how perception rules in game affairs. Sad but true, perception also rules out of game affairs. EVE is a game, and a product. I'm quite sure the recently acquired economist regardless of economical school of thought can provide the basis of economics: trust. Lacking communications, uncaring attitude, detachment from product affairs, look at the course of this thread - already subscribers are making one reference after the other to other commercial MMORPG products which, well, went shall we say .. boobies up. Not because of being bad in concept, or implementation, but because of disregard of trends and subscriber behaviour, because of the big divide between the "want" for the state of a product and the "actual" direction of the product use, and because of the intrinsical need for balance between quality & satisfaction factors and cost/benefit parameters.
Let's stop beating around the bush. The amalgam of changes to communication style, the amalgam of abrupt single focus changes to product dynamics, the amalgam of commercial ventures currently being undertaken in parallel and in cooperation .. EVE as a product, is at a turning point.
At every commercial phase of product management you float in that balance scale - ideally between well defined and planned for margins up and down the scale. When you show signs of moving from one excess to the other, that is where the product line starts to break, applying to internal corporate processes, external customer behaviour and continuation of account capitalisation and product evolution alike.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Kirex
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:35:00 -
[580]
wtf?! You're taking down the trade forums because you think contracts will suffice? Have you devs ever USED the contracts system?
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:39:00 -
[581]
Since you took the time to add color and lay out your issues, i'll take the time to show you how the game is good already. Except for the supercaps, all the issues i've seen listed can be solved in game, easily!
Originally by: Pallidum Treponema This is the most ridiculous idea I've heard in ages.
Problem 1: A majority of buy orders in the contract system are scams. Sellers are therefore reluctant to sell to buy-orders in the contract system. Even if they were so inclined, the amount of scam buy-orders make it difficult to locate the ones that are valid.
I sort by price. ALL of the scams, don't even show up on the list till the very bottom of the page.
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Problem 2: The contract system offers no way of advertising services. Maintainers of website hosting, killboards, research services etc will have no means to advertise their services.
Most of these things are corporate/alliance "assets" so to speak. There's a handy corp/alliance forum for all those needs.
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Problem 3: The contract system offers no way of setting up recurring orders. A corporation that wishes to purchase for instance 10 million units of tritanium per month will have no way of easily finding a supplier.
Contracts and open market are viewable by everyone. If you put a WTB order up at a decent price (or hell, even a not so decent price) you WILL get your order filled. If it's not getting filled, your price probably sucks, and the magic of capitalism comes into play very nicely.
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Problem 4: The contract system offers no way of establishing the reliability of the seller......
Well, the handy thing about the market/contracts is that the money is already in the system. So is the item. If you see a listing, you KNOW that the item/money is there because the game has taken it. In fact, it is MORE reliable than a forum, because a person on the forums can decide to turn bad, or sell their character, or whatever. With the market/contracts your purchase is guaranteed.
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Problem 5: The contract system offers no way of advertising multiple items or services. A supplier of for instance freighters and components will have no way of saying "I can sell all four kinds of freighters"....
Well, if he can sell all 4 kinds of freighters, put them on the market. Put them up on contract too so people can see your goods across the universe.
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Problem 6: While all of the above can be solved by third party websites, outside of the control of CCP, that will be frequented by FAR less people than those who access the eve-online.com forums, this ALSO means that any sales of illegal items, such as those aquired through macro isk farming, account hacking or other means will be harder for CCP to monitor and take action against.
3rd party forums aren't necessary and not CCP's problem, that's how i feel about it. And they already exist, this isn't going to change their business at all.
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These are just the problems I can identify straight away. ....
Sorry, I had to cut short a bunch of your statements, but I read them all before I replied. Yes, I know there are a few things that can't be covered in other forums or on the current system (ie motherships... that needs to be fixed ASAP), but removing those forums won't be the end of the world. In fact, it'll make the eve marketplace a more fair and ballanced place to do business. I shouldn't HAVE to look OOG in some forum to get a good deal on things.
Okay, this last part is going to sound insulting, and I'm sorry for that, but I have to say it. Alot of the whining i'm seeing here sounds alot like the people i know who still think windows 98 is the best OS out there and that upgrading is a horrible idea. Get with it, move on, join the rest of society.
That only applies to a few of you, not all.
To the rest, please just give it a chance.
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Nerune
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:43:00 -
[582]
You can't browse the contract system aimlessly. I'd miss that a lot. How many times has everyone here opened up the trade forums just to see whats there?
Try that with contracts! if you don't already know what you're looking for you'll never find it. Many of the threads in the forums would takes hundreds or thousands of individual contracts.
Contracts != forums
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AlleyKat
White-Noise Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:44:00 -
[583]
disagree
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Breathing
Mork Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:47:00 -
[584]
Moraguth, ok a few good points. But theres a lot of other stuff thats completely ignored, as you know.
The system to replace the forum needs to be fully in place BEFORE the forum is closed. And its very obvious that it isnt. Theres huge gaps, as 22 pages worth of replies are going to great lengths to point out.
... and dont knock win98...
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:48:00 -
[585]
Oh, and another thing...
Alot of the whines seem to be saying the same 'ol "have you ever used the contract system??!?!?!!" and all that BS. My question to the complainers is "have you?". It's easy, I promise.
Scams? So easily spottable (visible?) now, it's ********. That's a good thing.
Easy to setup? yes. That's another good thing.
Ummm.... can sell anything? Not quite, but that can be fixed, and people will adapt easily. Point for them, but escrow couldn't sell those things either, so whatever (i'm taking half a point back for that one) Laggy? Nope. Buggy? Nope. Confusing? Maybe for the first 2 contracts you set up, after that, you're golden. Or, just ask for someone to help you along.
I'm sure you'll all say I'm wrong, but I do alot of business with the contracts system. You don't have to log into a forum to find your particular thread and check up on it regularly, it all happens in the game *bonus*.
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:51:00 -
[586]
Originally by: Nerune You can't browse the contract system aimlessly. I'd miss that a lot. How many times has everyone here opened up the trade forums just to see whats there?
Try that with contracts! if you don't already know what you're looking for you'll never find it. Many of the threads in the forums would takes hundreds or thousands of individual contracts.
Contracts != forums
I do it ALL the time.
Sometimes I look for ships, sometimes I just browse.
Seriously, just set it to simple view (i hate the other views) and sort by price. You know the general price of the things you want to browse, and there ya go. Hell, You could even put price filters on and go from there, 2 clicks and you're browsing the entire galaxy.
<borat voice> very nice </borat voice>
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ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:56:00 -
[587]
wrangler lets apply logic to the issue, if there was no need for trading forums they would be un-used, think we can safely say that wasn't happening. Contracts are in no way as flexible as a forum setup is.
Forcing users to suddenly change from what was a perfectly acceptable current setup to one they don't feel meets there needs will just aggravate people. Because of the closing of the trade forums people will find alternatives outside of the game such as chribba's eve-live, where there isn't the horde of eve-mod's to dissuade those that aren't so scrupulous, which will lead to a large number of petitions which wouldn't have occurred otherwise with no adequate way for ccp to check evidence.
I honestly don't see the point of doing this, there's no advantage to be gained by closing the forums infact your probably adding more server load with people been forced to contracts. Can't browse and buy while at the office, you have to login to the game to check if so and so item is available. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
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Rugs
Dragon Highlords
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:59:00 -
[588]
What a stupid move from CCP! Seems that everything CCP should handle is handled by Chribba, CCP should be sending some paychecks his way if they aren't already :)
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Freewheeling
N.A.G.A Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:03:00 -
[589]
popsicle *****az froze their brains over.
Stay away from the trade forum Cha'mone!
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Sonic Katana
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:03:00 -
[590]
Originally by: Virtuozzo I shouldn't say it, but I can't help it. I love EVE.
In recent past we've seen an increase of the pace and the severity of screwups, both out of a severely increasing complexity of the product on sale here, and because of a sharply rising trend and refocus in marketing, management and communication methods and styles - internal to the corporation and external towards its customer base, which in commercial venture terms would get flagged with "withdraw investments / interests".
Here's a brilliant product, with such an immersion and exposure factor that you do not need to dive into low level crap like viral marketing setups, exposure deals, technology acquisitions or the likes. As a company CCP have always had a strong focus on their product, and their customer base - but through growing pains and detachment both for internal and external processes both the focus and the affinity with product affairs are gone.
Again we see an event which could have been not just handled better, but which should have been handled better. It isn't about moving from volunteer structures to internalised structures (or even who you are moving those to btw), but it is how you handle that. This is commerce. Corporations have migration processes for such things, particularly to minimise impact for both employees and customers. Still, this is just one angle in just those debate, and there's a myriad of facets applying here.
In slightly less then recent past it's been clearly demonstrated how perception rules in game affairs. Sad but true, perception also rules out of game affairs. EVE is a game, and a product. I'm quite sure the recently acquired economist regardless of economical school of thought can provide the basis of economics: trust. Lacking communications, uncaring attitude, detachment from product affairs, look at the course of this thread - already subscribers are making one reference after the other to other commercial MMORPG products which, well, went shall we say .. boobies up. Not because of being bad in concept, or implementation, but because of disregard of trends and subscriber behaviour, because of the big divide between the "want" for the state of a product and the "actual" direction of the product use, and because of the intrinsical need for balance between quality & satisfaction factors and cost/benefit parameters.
Let's stop beating around the bush. The amalgam of changes to communication style, the amalgam of abrupt single focus changes to product dynamics, the amalgam of commercial ventures currently being undertaken in parallel and in cooperation .. EVE as a product, is at a turning point.
At every commercial phase of product management you float in that balance scale - ideally between well defined and planned for margins up and down the scale. When you show signs of moving from one excess to the other, that is where the product line starts to break, applying to internal corporate processes, external customer behaviour and continuation of account capitalisation and product evolution alike.
erm wtf are you on about? can't u just keep something simple and say bad idea or good idea?
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Delusion 'Fel
Minmatar Nefarious Ratiocinations Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:05:00 -
[591]
Edited by: Delusion ''Fel on 21/08/2007 23:07:10
I can appreciate that im posting a bit late here, and i doubt anyone will read or even care about my post, but ill write it and hope :S
Like many folks here, i work for a living. I spent 8 hours a day, in an office, and spend most of it bored.
However with the trade forums i had something to do. I could browse for trades outside of the game environment, make a few bids, and purchase a few items that id then race home to collect later that evening.
with the trade forums gone, ive effectively lost 40 hours game play a week. I know it wasnt "in game" using the client and all that, but it was the next best thing and well tbh i paid for that 40 hrs gameplay along with all the others with my standard subs right?.
And yes, i know, i should be working, but meh, thats why i work in a job well below the level im qualified and experienced for.
I know you have your reasons, and theyre probably good ones.... but i cant help but feel fed up that ive lost out, purely because im not unemployed or off on long term sick.
Anyhoos, thanks for listening.
yes i would like cheese, and possibly some cra ckers to go with the whine.
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:06:00 -
[592]
Originally by: Sonic Katana
Originally by: Virtuozzo bla bla corporate product development and lifecycle maintenance mumbo jumbo
erm wtf are you on about? can't u just keep something simple and say bad idea or good idea?
Already did that :P Taking out the forums is a seriously bad idea. Trouble is, it is not an isolated event, there's a pretty strong trend in motion, one which is basically not good.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Logan Williams
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:07:00 -
[593]
The sad thing is that outside of me, I've not seen one really good forum ***** hit this yet. Where's Goonswarm? Where's BoB? Whre ar ethe individuals like me who excel at posting? DPB, you around??
oh yeah, and that said, this thread has already hit 20 pages with no "heavy hitters" hittng it yet. Oh, and to CCCP....bad decision. (yes CCCP not CCP) ;) |
Wadaya
Caldari Trailerpark Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:08:00 -
[594]
On the contract system, even if you sort by price, it also sorts by date. Same price contract can appear on multiple(!) pages, with the newer contracts getting preferential treatment with high entry orders like ship bpc's. The ignore feature is nice, but there are not enough ignore slots.
In regards to having to block people on the trade channels that we will also be forced to use, can you enable it so we can make folders in the blocked list in people and places? opening that tab makes my client freeze.
Wad
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Logan Williams
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:08:00 -
[595]
Originally by: Kirex wtf?! You're taking down the trade forums because you think contracts will suffice? Have you devs ever USED the contracts system?
Yes, they live out in Jove space and play reindeer games instead of worry about how to keep customers. Read COAD. /sarcasm |
Arrs Grazznic
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:10:00 -
[596]
Originally by: Delusion 'Fel I can appreciate that im posting a bit late here, and i doubt anyone will read or even care about my post, but ill write it and hope :S
I care. No, really, I do. Dropping the trade forums without a mechanism to support a wide range of service and other sales is detrimental to the game and the player community. The more individuals who say as much, the more CCP will understand. I'm not sure it will do any good, but the message may just about get across.
Cheers, Arrs
FireStar are now recruiting
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Major Stallion
Four Rings D-L
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:11:00 -
[597]
so, heres an issue that comes to mind. Anyone thats got a service to hawk that normally wouyldve been advertised on the sell forums, why not throw a thread on Eve General discussion. We shouldnt be forced to use an outside source to generate isk for our revenue making ventures.
After all, this IS CCP's game, isnt it? While Chribba's idea is valiant and a savior for the players, what happens if he stops playing and cancels his web hosting? Then who will CCP have us turn to? ________________________________ High Sec PvP
Originally by: "Wylker" CCP has finally mastered stupidity
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Sariyah
Gallente HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:12:00 -
[598]
Really bad change. Why?!
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:19:00 -
[599]
Originally by: Logan Williams
Originally by: Kirex wtf?! You're taking down the trade forums because you think contracts will suffice? Have you devs ever USED the contracts system?
Yes, they live out in Jove space and play reindeer games instead of worry about how to keep customers. Read COAD. /sarcasm
Have you used it? No, seriously. Have you tried? It's easy and effective once you set your filters in a productive way.
Try these two things, and you'll be amazed at how much easier it will be for you. 1: Sort Page By > Simple View. 2: When you say get contracts, click on the Price colum to sort by it. It is amazing how many people thing that they can put a WTB order up for 100K for a BS and think that it'll work.
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Scott Ryder
Omen Incorporated Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:20:00 -
[600]
This is by FAR the dumbest idea that ccp has ever came up with! End Eve is wonderful :) |
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Francesca Dell'Agio
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:23:00 -
[601]
Originally by: Moraguth meh
.. who's alt are you ..
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:28:00 -
[602]
Originally by: Francesca Dell'Agio
Originally by: Moraguth meh
.. who's alt are you ..
I'm nobody's alt. This is my main. I'm too poor to have more than one character. Good attempt to discredit anything i have to say though, but meh to you too.
good game |
Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:31:00 -
[603]
Originally by: Aeryn Davenport I think this is a weak idea. There are many business models that cannot function through the contract system. The forums are necessary for advertising unique business offers and services. Removing that possibility will simply stifle the creative potential of EVE entrepreneurs. For example, many people offer custom services like POS fuel delivery, custom sets of BPCs, or blueprint researching services. When exploration probes came out I offered a service selling custom BPC packs. Those are not things you can offer through the contracts system. Not only are the mechanics of the contract system insufficient for a wide range of businesses, but many services are not the type anyone would know to specifically look for and only stumble upon simply through browsing the forums, such as the exploration probe bpc packs I was selling. By removing our outlet for these unique services you are stifling the creativity of the EVE community. The contract system is far too limiting to allow for the wide range of services that had developed through the sell order forums. It shocks me that CCP would do something to so completely restrict innovative business models.
I found quite a few of those "bpc packs" on the contract system. Probes, drones, missiles.... everything. It's pretty handy. I find them just by rummaging through the list when I make that god-aweful trip to jita. I try to make it worth my while, and do some window shopping while I'm there.
POS fuel people? Courier contracts are amazing. I pay a little bit extra money, and people bring me my stuff ALL THE TIME. If i'm making them go through known gate camps or in to 0.0 i have to make it worth their while.
I still (besides the motherships problem) have yet to see anybody come up with a problem that can't be solved using the tools we already have.
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Butternut Squash
Gallente Macabre Votum INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:33:00 -
[604]
Well i am contemplating having all my limbs chopped off, because apparently prosthetic ones sometimes work, sure there is no feeling and they look a bit ugly and are slow to respond ... but at least they are shiney
/me checks date ... nope its not April 1st
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:35:00 -
[605]
Originally by: Butternut Squash Well i am contemplating having all my limbs chopped off, because apparently prosthetic ones sometimes work, sure there is no feeling and they look a bit ugly and are slow to respond ... but at least they are shiney
/me checks date ... nope its not April 1st
I understand this is going to be difficult for many of you. Maybe I could start a class. I could charge 1M isk, it would take me 2 minutes to give you the tutorial, even typing, and you'd be good to go. (you as in everyone, not you specifically)
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Andie1138
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:35:00 -
[606]
This is the lastest in a string of ill thought out ideas from CCP
Trading is enhanced by the forums. I enjoy casually browsing the Sell forum looking for nothing in particular and often find items I want. Browsing contracts randomly is not really practical.
With the forums you can bookmark interesting threads to come back to later. This is impossible with contracts. Unless someone can tell me how I can bookmark an auction without actually bidding.
I really hope that this is not followed through.
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Lithalnas
Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:35:00 -
[607]
How about drugs? which cannot be contracted ------------- Hadean Drive Yards
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super bomberman
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:38:00 -
[608]
Nice change tbh
I cant wait to see something i realy want on contracts, only to realsise i have to fly a 50 jump round trip to get it, or even place a bid, if im lucky i'll only get out bid when im less than half way back, then i wont feel bad about having to go all the way back again to up my bid.
BOOM sarcasm
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:39:00 -
[609]
Originally by: Lithalnas How about drugs? which cannot be contracted
Do you mean boosters? Like the ones in the market under "Implants and boosters" Or maybe things like Vitoc, on the market under trade goods?
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:40:00 -
[610]
Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 21/08/2007 23:41:44 Sell my shares please? Because contracts doesnt do that.
Sell forum is the only way for me to advertise them without spamming the market discussion board with WTS's (where ironically the interested people live)
Improve Market Competition!
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:41:00 -
[611]
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Sell my shares please? Because contracts doesnt do that.
Shares are pretty much for corporations and alliances right? (there's a handy forum for that)
But that kinda sucks, I wish they'd implement some sort of stock market into the game to make the shares actually mean something. Right now, their use is pretty limited.
good game |
Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:43:00 -
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Shares are pretty much for corporations and alliances right? (there's a handy forum for that)
There's a forum for discussing businesses and the like. Not for selling them though.
Improve Market Competition!
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Gorek Loc
Fine Art Manufactury
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:43:00 -
[613]
The sell order forum has more posts than any other forum. Sell order forum has ~89K post Eve General Discussion (a.k.a. whine forum) has ~77K posts Ships & modules has ~48k posts
All the other forums are below 30K posts. This tells me one thing. People use the sell forums alot! specifically because of the lack of options in the contracts system. When you have improved the contracts with some of the excellent suggestions in these threads (good luck on finding the se posts again ) you can try to shoot the forums down again. Until then, leave the forums open to business. --- Compare items ? Image 1 - Image 2 Thanks to Daetusk. |
VBboy
The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:44:00 -
[614]
I see so many problems to this!
I think it will just move to another website not supported by CCP and that will be ashame!
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Gorek Loc
Fine Art Manufactury
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:47:00 -
[615]
Maybe CCP has an alterior motive ? could the lotteries in the sell forums be a reason ? or the numerous scams that lead to petitions ? Forums use too much server capacity (fit a Cap Recharger II!) ?
At least tell us why you feel the need to close the most used forums. --- Compare items ? Image 1 - Image 2 Thanks to Daetusk. |
Gaunty
Macabre Votum INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:47:00 -
[616]
I haven't gone through every post in this topic so apologies if its covered but how can people buy Supercapitals with no sell order forum? Didn't think they could be put on contract.
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:48:00 -
[617]
Originally by: Gorek Loc The sell order forum has more posts than any other forum. Sell order forum has ~89K post Eve General Discussion (a.k.a. whine forum) has ~77K posts Ships & modules has ~48k posts
All the other forums are below 30K posts. This tells me one thing. People use the sell forums alot! specifically because of the lack of options in the contracts system. When you have improved the contracts with some of the excellent suggestions in these threads (good luck on finding the se posts again ) you can try to shoot the forums down again. Until then, leave the forums open to business.
Just because the forums have alot of posts doesn't logically mean that the contract system sucks which is what you seem to be saying. 1: that logic is flawed. 2: you're wrong.
Oh, and to be clear, i'm not saying the forums are bad, i'm just saying that it's not the end of the world. The economy of eve isn't going to crash. Use the tools that are there.
Also, The forums aren't necessary. I make pleanty of money, do pleanty of browsing, and do pleanty of trading using a combination of the contract system and the market. And it doesn't require alot of extra work either, it's pretty easy.
Quit being afraid of "new things" people. Contracts won't bite you.
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:49:00 -
[618]
Originally by: Gaunty I haven't gone through every post in this topic so apologies if its covered but how can people buy Supercapitals with no sell order forum? Didn't think they could be put on contract.
That's pretty much the only legitimate concern that i've come across. That part sucks, so I definately agree a fix needs to be coming soon, or a way to sell them somehow.
good game |
Nathomos
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:51:00 -
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I really enjoy browsing the forums for sales as well as using them to haggle and make trades, I see the forums as an extension of the game that is just easier to use and browse, the contract system isn't a breeze to use like a fully functioning web browser...
And now that a dev has posted Chribba's website I just can't see what the hell they are thinking...they close down their own forums for no really good reason and advertise a player's website instead??
Umm...very confused here, the forums are a place to discuss and haggle in trades, contracts can't do that, so the only option is spamming trade channels...why is this being done?
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Gorek Loc Maybe CCP has an alterior motive ? could the lotteries in the sell forums be a reason ? or the numerous scams that lead to petitions ? Forums use too much server capacity (fit a Cap Recharger II!) ?
At least tell us why you feel the need to close the most used forums.
I kinda agree with what your saying. The only other one I could think of was maybe they were using the same logic as they do for not putting in a web based skill changing system. They want you to actually log in the game to play the game.
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:53:00 -
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@Moraguth
what about:
contract auction end 1 hour after DT and DT goes wrong and the seller doesn't get what he could have got?
what about auction increment, hardcoded to 10%
what about the fact that we have to travel to bid
and much more... but anyway these are for me... the major one
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:54:00 -
[622]
What Nerf the Trade forums lol ... what a joke. So much for listening to your players.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 21/08/2007 23:57:39
Originally by: Moraguth
Originally by: Gorek Loc Maybe CCP has an alterior motive ? could the lotteries in the sell forums be a reason ? or the numerous scams that lead to petitions ? Forums use too much server capacity (fit a Cap Recharger II!) ?
At least tell us why you feel the need to close the most used forums.
I kinda agree with what your saying. The only other one I could think of was maybe they were using the same logic as they do for not putting in a web based skill changing system. They want you to actually log in the game to play the game.
so um, devs having posted in the past about making it where you can check your skills via your cell and various other things to access game *stuff* outside the game -- all clever subterfuge only now unveiled with this move to kill the trade forums.
brilliant!
edited: the argument makes more sense if it weren't a monthly charge, and the charge was per login, per hour, etc. they make their money regardless of if you actually log in ever.
plus, you can "play" the game without even having an account, i.e. canx account set 60 day skill training, come back later. |
Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:58:00 -
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I could say "YaY" if the current contract system would be abit more simple or at least better as the old escrow system but its not. After 4 years of trading (with crappy forum software) you shut it down with a stupid excuse. Why not just close down all of the forums so we dont have to read your stupid ideas that you come up with to screw up more than you promise to fix?! Honestly, it casts doubt on your credibility.
Or were you just to lazy to watch over the posts? Could the forum server not cut it with the load of new posts per hour? Was it to prevent scams? Why make a char sell forum (after 3 years of char selling!!) when the rest of the sales get closed?
Wrangler, you¦re fired. Go back to hello kitty online.
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Vaar
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:58:00 -
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This a direct result of Dev inbreeding and the first nail in Eve's coffin. They're taking us back to the stoneages. I expect they will be releasing Tech -1 next. CCP please reconsider.
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Dave PSI
Haendlergilde S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Moraguth
Originally by: Logan Williams
Originally by: Kirex wtf?! You're taking down the trade forums because you think contracts will suffice? Have you devs ever USED the contracts system?
Yes, they live out in Jove space and play reindeer games instead of worry about how to keep customers. Read COAD. /sarcasm
Have you used it? No, seriously. Have you tried? It's easy and effective once you set your filters in a productive way.
Try these two things, and you'll be amazed at how much easier it will be for you. 1: Sort Page By > Simple View. 2: When you say get contracts, click on the Price colum to sort by it. It is amazing how many people thing that they can put a WTB order up for 100K for a BS and think that it'll work.
The Contract system works ok for the cheap stuff like Faction hardener rare Implants and stuff you could also buy in the market.
But it totally sucks when it comes to more expensive items like T2 BPOs and rare Officer Mods. There is no sniper rule and the auction system doesn't show the time left (only less than a day and less than an hour which really sucks). Also there is no focus on these items because you have search them active, on the forum you find them while reading the first few pages (normally there are not that many crap T1 stuff auctions like in the contract system).
And the most important point is, when you think the contract system is soo perfect, fine simply use it. But why the hell force everybody else who obviously doesn't is your opinion to use it ???
Perhaps you didn't regognized it CCP, but the Trade-Forum is a big Part of the game for many of us. If you want to reduce traffic, close COAD (or only allow alliance leaders posting rights). Nobody needs to read that trolling, and its getting worth and worther every day there.
T R U S T shop: http://www.evetrust.com // Haendlergilde [HAE]
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Lord Berk
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:00:00 -
[627]
Unbelievable
Forums scouring is perfect for downtime. And 5 times faster.
I strongly suggest you reconsider.
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Fredou @Moraguth
what about:
contract auction end 1 hour after DT and DT goes wrong and the seller doesn't get what he could have got?
what about auction increment, hardcoded to 10%
what about the fact that we have to travel to bid
and much more... but anyway these are for me... the major one
Well, if the seller wants to get a certain ammount, they need to set that as the minimum bid. There is no silly "reserve" system like there is on ebay, so set your minimum to what you want to get.
hardcoded to 10% that way people don't bid .1 isk at a time I suppose, because that would just be rediculous.
Travel to bid? Well, you only have to get in the region, but I understand how that can be annoying too. Ummm... since most everyone besides me has a billion alts, use one of them in the main contract regions. Give your alt some money to buy the item. Then, when your alt wins it, just item exchange it to your main. You can accept that from anywhere. And if you want to be really tricky, do what I do, and remotely contract stuff from your assets screen (auction finally finishes in jita that i bid on a week ago, and i win) to have someone courier it to where you want to pick it up. Works for me, it can work for you too, and it stimulates the economy :)
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icarus braciolini
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:02:00 -
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CCP FTL? The nerf bat again? Dear CCP, please stop making people quit its going to make you poor and the game will suffer.
Solution, make the contract system not suck leave the forums as they are and add the ability to contract super capitals that's the ultimate solution
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:10:00 -
[630]
Originally by: Dave PSI
Originally by: Moraguth
Originally by: Logan Williams
Originally by: Kirex wtf?! You're taking down the trade forums because you think contracts will suffice? Have you devs ever USED the contracts system?
Yes, they live out in Jove space and play reindeer games instead of worry about how to keep customers. Read COAD. /sarcasm
Have you used it? No, seriously. Have you tried? It's easy and effective once you set your filters in a productive way.
Try these two things, and you'll be amazed at how much easier it will be for you. 1: Sort Page By > Simple View. 2: When you say get contracts, click on the Price colum to sort by it. It is amazing how many people thing that they can put a WTB order up for 100K for a BS and think that it'll work.
The Contract system works ok for the cheap stuff like Faction hardener rare Implants and stuff you could also buy in the market.
But it totally sucks when it comes to more expensive items like T2 BPOs and rare Officer Mods. There is no sniper rule and the auction system doesn't show the time left (only less than a day and less than an hour which really sucks). Also there is no focus on these items because you have search them active, on the forum you find them while reading the first few pages (normally there are not that many crap T1 stuff auctions like in the contract system).
And the most important point is, when you think the contract system is soo perfect, fine simply use it. But why the hell force everybody else who obviously doesn't is your opinion to use it ???
Perhaps you didn't regognized it CCP, but the Trade-Forum is a big Part of the game for many of us. If you want to reduce traffic, close COAD (or only allow alliance leaders posting rights). Nobody needs to read that trolling, and its getting worth and worther every day there.
Dave, you have very good points. The one I'm going to focus on is the "why make everyone else use the contracts..."
I don't want to use the forums. It's slower than contracts for me. I can't find what I want as easily. I have to make posts and get more information half the time. .... When I view a contract, everything I need to know is right there in a simple, effective screen.
Why make me use the forums to get the "really good deals"?
Keep the game IN the game, not on a web forum.
good game |
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:10:00 -
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WTB 20 Run, 20 ME, 0 PE Raven BPC
Nope, can't do that.
Improve Market Competition!
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Dave PSI
Haendlergilde S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:11:00 -
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BLOCKQUOTE font class=quote size=9px face= Verdana img src= /images/icon_quote_message.gif border= 0 b Originally by: /b i CCP Wrangler /i hr height=1 noshade br font color=yellow Update: A alternative to the closed EVE-Online trade forums has been opened by Chribba and can be found on his a href= http://www.evelocal.com/ target= _blank http://www.evelocal.com/ /a EVE-Live website in the forum section.
Said but true, its not a real alternative to the trade forum. Only the Eve forum combines the ingame char with a forum account no other forum could provide this. If u bid here, your name stands for your bid, it increase the trust in the auction and is the main reason why it runs so smooth and the sell forum is so heavily used.
If you want to implement it in the game, simply improve the sucking eve web browser and allow to open the forum with it (btw. out of game usage also necessary btw).
T R U S T shop: http://www.evetrust.com // Haendlergilde [HAE]
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Katharina Gorbacheva
Amarr Soviet Star Federation Celestial Frontier
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gaunty I haven't gone through every post in this topic so apologies if its covered but how can people buy Supercapitals with no sell order forum? Didn't think they could be put on contract.
There's no need to be able to buy/sell them. They can't be docked for a reason, if you want one go build it yourself. Otherwise stick with a carrier. |
Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ophelia Burnstein
I cannot for the life of me understand that "feature".
First of all, the forums of the game are a good place to meet new people and start productive and constructive trade. The contract system, as it is, can take almost anything at it, but lack in what is really important in a MMORPG : player interaction.
I honestly think many players here rightfully pointed out that CCP is doing a catastrophic error. I seldom write in the forums but I do read them, particularly the sell orders one. My opinion too is that CCP is making a big mistake.
CCP, please, don't touch our Forums....or at least propose a viable alternative that involve player interaction.
My 2 cent
Ophelia Burnstein alias Ophy
Ophelia, you and Nathomos make good points. You can't beat the player interaction on the forums, and you can't haggle on an item exchange contract.
I've had a little luck in eve-mailing a person who has an auction going, that has 0 bids, and is over prices and told them I'd buy it from them, but we had to negotiate. Then their contract would end and sometimes they'd mail me back and then we could haggle over price.
Meh, I guess that's arguement number 2 that I can't really defeat (at least in my mind... most people here will probably say all my arguements have been defeated). The only other was for things like motherships that can't be sold/contracted in game right now.
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Virtuozzo on 22/08/2007 00:16:05
Originally by: Moraguth Ummm... since most everyone besides me has a billion alts, use one of them in the main contract regions
I trust CCP will bring the Power of 2 scheme back then to enable the multitude (majority) of eve subscribers who have but the one account and thus max 3 characters to get some more regional coverage :P
Now, try the detailed end timing of forum auctions versus the "less then one day" & "less then one hour" timings of contracts.
While you're at it, provide an argument please for the enjoyment of the subscribers who use the current forums for their main activities while they are in real life and unable to engage in virtual life directly for a multitude of various reasons.
:-)
Also, correct me if I am wrong, but how would you look up commercial history track records of sellers trying to build up an identity which relies to a very high degree, like all economics in full really, on trust.
There's a small subset of elements which are possible by means of the current contract system, some folks are more accustomed to it then others. Still the base synopsis is that a full turn towards the contract system without any further alternatives or mechanisms allowing for concepts of trust, identity and marketing ... is rather restrictive. Courier contracts? Please. I can see Ryder Insterstellar Fuel services trying to make all contracts on the one main character because that is the one people know, and not the ton of freighter pilots which run the jobs. The list goes on.
And then, then there is the "out of the blue" element in all of this. It is an entirely different debate imo, but a very important one.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Angelina Achura
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:15:00 -
[636]
Originally by: Moraguth
Originally by: Hellspawn01 I could say "YaY" if the current contract system would be abit more simple or at least better as the old escrow system but its not. After 4 years of trading (with crappy forum software) you shut it down with a stupid excuse. Why not just close down all of the forums so we dont have to read your stupid ideas that you come up with to screw up more than you promise to fix?! Honestly, it casts doubt on your credibility.
Or were you just to lazy to watch over the posts? Could the forum server not cut it with the load of new posts per hour? Was it to prevent scams? Why make a char sell forum (after 3 years of char selling!!) when the rest of the sales get closed?
Wrangler, you¦re fired. Go back to hello kitty online.
Read above: contract are easier, more flexible, and less scamable than escrow. Escrow sucked balls. - could you imagine ONLY being able to see the last 1000 auctions on ebay? seriously? and don't even get me started with being able to limit to you, corp, alliance, current region, specific other region, all regions... the list goes on. Seriously.... go use the contract system a bit, quit living in the dark ages. Unless you're running windows 98 still, then I have no hope for you.
Would you give it a rest? We get it. You think closing the forums was a good idea. You don't need to make a post for every post that is made saying how many of us don't like this and don't think that contracts are all that easy to work with. The score is currently many - 1. You lose.
GOOD GAME!
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raWill
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:16:00 -
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This is ...B U L L S H I T...
I have bought capitals, faction gear & many other random items from the sell orders site because I cannot afford the time to search these items out in a terrible, restrictive, laggy and clunky system that is the eve contracts & eve client.
Take this away from me & others and you take away my ability to buy and sell items when I am working, during downtime & not interested in logging on to raise my bids.
Give me only contracts to buy and sell and I will now suffer with downtime two fold because it is smack bang in the middle of my evening and even worse the extended down times for screwups.
I'm a paying customer for eve, I want you to continue to provide me the service that is the sell orders forum. NO EXCEPTIONS.
Grrrrrr...
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs WTB 20 Run, 20 ME, 0 PE Raven BPC
Nope, can't do that.
ARRrgggghhhhh!!! yeah... They do need to implement that part in the WTB section for blue prints. Add a couple option boxes that let you choose for BPO or BPC. Then, for ME PE and Runs (maybe even minimum me and pe).
But that needs to go in the features/ideas section, not here i suppose.
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Thraxon
Black-Sun-Inventions
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:18:00 -
[639]
No more trading at work.
FTL :(
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Francesca Dell'Agio
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Angelina Achura Would you give it a rest? We get it. You think closing the forums was a good idea. You don't need to make a post for every post that is made saying how many of us don't like this and don't think that contracts are all that easy to work with. The score is currently many - 1. You lose.
GOOD GAME!
He has a job to do here. Schools of though: debunking and repeating incessantly - both perceived to convert and calm down people.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:20:00 -
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Well, when you think CCP can't think up any more stupid ideas, they usually do so... like this one....
Put simply, the ingame contract system is a big pile of ****E!!!
I'll list a few of the things that need to be fixed with the contract system. Other people have also done so....
- You can't search for a specific item type, it's either the whole group (including all the scams), or each specific variant of that type.
In other words, searching for example for a faction/officer item thats both available and in your price range can take 10+ searches... - It is not possible to filter out the multitudes of WTB scams....
- The part about having to park your character where an auction goes on for the duration. Well, people have said enough about that.... Suffice to say it's competing for stupidest game-feature of the century...
- The stupidity of having removed many often-traded items from the market and making them only able to use the (defective) contract system is annoying as hell.
It means you can't see previous prices of the item, nor can you see amounts traded... In other words, it forces you to trade completely blind! All direct trades of standard items (including officer/faction) should be possible through the market. That would leave the contract system for package deals, courier contracts, or non-standard items (like BPC's, rigged ships etc.). - And then of.c. there are all the things that can't be sold, or can't be searched through the contract system.
In short, you're taking away a USEFUL system, to try to force people to use a USELESS system. Real bright move.... It'll definitely increase customer satisfaction
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Dave PSI
Haendlergilde S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Dave PSI on 22/08/2007 00:29:57
Originally by: Moraguth
Originally by: Dave PSI
Originally by: Moraguth
Originally by: Logan Williams
Originally by: Kirex wtf?! You're taking down the trade forums because you think contracts will suffice? Have you devs ever USED the contracts system?
Yes, they live out in Jove space and play reindeer games instead of worry about how to keep customers. Read COAD. /sarcasm
Have you used it? No, seriously. Have you tried? It's easy and effective once you set your filters in a productive way.
Try these two things, and you'll be amazed at how much easier it will be for you. 1: Sort Page By > Simple View. 2: When you say get contracts, click on the Price colum to sort by it. It is amazing how many people thing that they can put a WTB order up for 100K for a BS and think that it'll work.
The Contract system works ok for the cheap stuff like Faction hardener rare Implants and stuff you could also buy in the market.
But it totally sucks when it comes to more expensive items like T2 BPOs and rare Officer Mods. There is no sniper rule and the auction system doesn't show the time left (only less than a day and less than an hour which really sucks). Also there is no focus on these items because you have search them active, on the forum you find them while reading the first few pages (normally there are not that many crap T1 stuff auctions like in the contract system).
And the most important point is, when you think the contract system is soo perfect, fine simply use it. But why the hell force everybody else who obviously doesn't is your opinion to use it ???
Perhaps you didn't regognized it CCP, but the Trade-Forum is a big Part of the game for many of us. If you want to reduce traffic, close COAD (or only allow alliance leaders posting rights). Nobody needs to read that trolling, and its getting worth and worther every day there.
Dave, you have very good points. The one I'm going to focus on is the "why make everyone else use the contracts..."
I don't want to use the forums. It's slower than contracts for me. I can't find what I want as easily. I have to make posts and get more information half the time. .... When I view a contract, everything I need to know is right there in a simple, effective screen.
Why make me use the forums to get the "really good deals"?
Keep the game IN the game, not on a web forum.
The forum is part of the game perhaps the most important part. Where else get you in contact with so many other players, discuss stuff, sell stuff or simply communicate. Isn't that the most imortant part for an MMORP, communication with other players?
Using the Contract system is far less "communication" in my eyes. To compare it with Rl, its more like buying cigarettes from an automat instead of buying and chatting a bit with a real merchant.
And that is exactly what CCP did, the stole me the platform to communicate with other sellers, make deals and have fun. Some of my best eve moments where auctions on the sell forum. Far more interesting than big fleet fights. Its something complete different to trade directly with other merchants instead of using a faceless contract system. No possibility to sneak behind and try some ingame buyout. See if the seller gets bnervous and sink his buy out price at the end etc. etc.
T R U S T shop: http://www.evetrust.com // Haendlergilde [HAE]
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:25:00 -
[643]
Originally by: Moraguth
Originally by: Hellspawn01 I could say "YaY" if the current contract system would be abit more simple or at least better as the old escrow system but its not. After 4 years of trading (with crappy forum software) you shut it down with a stupid excuse. Why not just close down all of the forums so we dont have to read your stupid ideas that you come up with to screw up more than you promise to fix?! Honestly, it casts doubt on your credibility.
Or were you just to lazy to watch over the posts? Could the forum server not cut it with the load of new posts per hour? Was it to prevent scams? Why make a char sell forum (after 3 years of char selling!!) when the rest of the sales get closed?
Wrangler, you¦re fired. Go back to hello kitty online.
Read above: contract are easier, more flexible, and less scamable than escrow. Escrow sucked balls. - could you imagine ONLY being able to see the last 1000 auctions on ebay? seriously? and don't even get me started with being able to limit to you, corp, alliance, current region, specific other region, all regions... the list goes on. Seriously.... go use the contract system a bit, quit living in the dark ages. Unless you're running windows 98 still, then I have no hope for you.
Dont worry, I use WinXP pro atm and I try to switch over to linux once support gets closed . Seriously, some minor changes to the escrow system like Search by region or just merge the market with the escrow system to an eve wide market would be better than the current contracts with exploits that you dont know about but can get banned for using them (read about it some weeks ago, pretty funny). Even a better forum software could handle the lack of forum mods atm. What do we get instead of very good player ideas? Nerfs, more bugs and stupid features.
PS: They cant even fix the fan submission page.
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Moraguth
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:25:00 -
[644]
Edited by: Moraguth on 22/08/2007 00:29:27 Whatever, I'm done.
You people are just too set in your ways and are unwilling to adapt.
Yes, it has problems, but what else is new?
I see how my attempts to get my point across went awry, so the best thing now is to just enjoy my game, and ignore all the *****ing that will be going on in here.
EDIT: .... some of that sounded insulting ... the fault was mine. I was trying to convince many of you that my way was best, and that obviously wasn't going to work if you truely believe your way is best. It wouldn't work on me. .... I want to whine more, but I'll stop instead. I hope your guys' third party forum works for you and you don't have too many problems switching over to contracts. If you need help figuring out how to make things work right, I won't even charge you the 1M isk, I'll help anyone.
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:29:00 -
[645]
Originally by: Moraguth Whatever, I'm done.
Come on, don't stop when it gets difficult. Go for it.
Originally by: Moraguth MoraguthUmmm... since most everyone besides me has a billion alts, use one of them in the main contract regions
I trust CCP will bring the Power of 2 scheme back then to enable the multitude (majority) of eve subscribers who have but the one account and thus max 3 characters to get some more regional coverage :P
Now, try the detailed end timing of forum auctions versus the "less then one day" & "less then one hour" timings of contracts.
While you're at it, provide an argument please for the enjoyment of the subscribers who use the current forums for their main activities while they are in real life and unable to engage in virtual life directly for a multitude of various reasons.
:-)
Also, correct me if I am wrong, but how would you look up commercial history track records of sellers trying to build up an identity which relies to a very high degree, like all economics in full really, on trust.
There's a small subset of elements which are possible by means of the current contract system, some folks are more accustomed to it then others. Still the base synopsis is that a full turn towards the contract system without any further alternatives or mechanisms allowing for concepts of trust, identity and marketing ... is rather restrictive. Courier contracts? Please. I can see Ryder Insterstellar Fuel services trying to make all contracts on the one main character because that is the one people know, and not the ton of freighter pilots which run the jobs. The list goes on.
And then, then there is the "out of the blue" element and the style element in all of this. It is an entirely different debate imo, but a very important one.
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" *snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Aidyn Avery
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:30:00 -
[646]
this is totally stupid, i rely on the sell forums to do business that you wouldn't be able to find on contracts. There is no in game system in place to help my production find suppliers without it...
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Goodlookin Gus
Gallente Viking Research and Production space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:31:00 -
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how the hell are we gonna advertise about our buisness on research poses.???
well i guess the stabase forums might be populuar now
High sec research service avalible. join channel viking research for more info Eve mail is an great game tool if i aint online |
DeMundus
The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:37:00 -
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/me adds his critisism
This is indeed one of the worst move I have seen made in a very long time.
WTS forum adds to the community, the communication between players the discussion of WTS/WTB etc. I beat that WTS are some of the most visited section...
anyways STUPID STUPID! Abandon all hope But take care of teh cake!11 - Immy |
Duhmad IbnRa
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:38:00 -
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It would have been more useful to fix GTC issues that make eve a place where china farmers can actually make money, instead of closing down trading forums. _________________________________________________
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Miz Cenuij
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:39:00 -
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During all the years I've been playing Eve, this is without a doubt the biggest mistake i've seen to date.
I enjoy browsing the sell/buy forums when i'm being dragged around Ikea or some such.
WTF genius came up with this bright idea?
"Men are going to die..
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scruffer
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:46:00 -
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I do not like this at all. The forums were a great way to browse for crap i would not normally buy. I have found many things I would have never thought to buy, or even look for using only the contract system. CCP you need to change your mind on this one.
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:50:00 -
[652]
can'nt say I'm that impressed to be honest I like reading sell order threads at work and stuff. Join The Fight With Promo Today |
Investigador
Caldari Hator inc
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:52:00 -
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/fail
The contracts can't supply support for all the negotiation of conditions that goes on the trade forums.
On a contract you can't do stuff like auctioning 4 BPOs and then have 1 players buy of them, and another buying the other 3 because he didn't like on of them.
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Varlak Maelstrom
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Posted - 2007.08.22 00:59:00 -
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In my opinion it sounds as if CCP recently hired someone from the support division of NCSoft, since they are so wonderful in Customer support, and caring about what their paying customers want(NOT!). This is not lending to customer sastisfaction, and stupidity at its finest. Closing forums that aren't used is a good idea, but closing the most populated forum has the potential to actually lose clients. When most companies are about to make a drastic change they do market research, or other forms of polling, they don't just make the change without regard for their customers. It is like Microsoft putting out Vista then making it effective that all their other OS's quit working, and forced people to switch or else. They would go bankrupt in under a week. So summed up this is poorly thought out, as your alternative is a joke.
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Ezzr Goode
Drugs 'R' Us
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Posted - 2007.08.22 01:00:00 -
[655]
Edited by: Ezzr Goode on 22/08/2007 01:04:17
Originally by: Moraguth
Originally by: Aeryn Davenport I think this is a weak idea. There are many business models that cannot function through the contract system. The forums are necessary for advertising unique business offers and services. Removing that possibility will simply stifle the creative potential of EVE entrepreneurs. For example, many people offer custom services like POS fuel delivery, custom sets of BPCs, [snip].
I found quite a few of those "bpc packs" on the contract system. Probes, drones, missiles.... everything.
I sell BPC packs via contracts and it works well. But, and here is the rub, I also sell custom BPC packs made up to a customer's specification. I have a thread in the Sell forum listing my BPC packs and a price and I invite customers to make bundle requests which I then deliver to the requested system. There is no way the contract system allows this kind of interaction between buyer and seller.
On top of that there are a number of items I have that are not accepted by the contract system should I wish to sell them. For example, I want to sell a Capsule, but this is not allowed. How can I offer this to the market without the forum?
I appreciate what you are trying to say, but the problem is for many items and services there is no alternative to forum posts.
This descision needs to be reversed. Now.
Edit: Spelling... d'oh!
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Arrs Grazznic
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.22 01:06:00 -
[656]
716 posts and still no CCP response. There is nothing like responding to your customer's concerns... and this is nothing like responding to your customer's concerns
Arrs
FireStar are now recruiting
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Eethrak
Gallente LiveTech
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Posted - 2007.08.22 01:12:00 -
[657]
Isn't there a Live DevBlog thingie planned for Thursday? I suggest that the people who are going to be there go for the jugular and don't let go until we get at least some answers as to why.
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Zathuraa
Applied Cyronics
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Posted - 2007.08.22 01:22:00 -
[658]
The trade forums are the most used and valuable section of the forums
Bring them back CCP
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Briani
The Dotted Line Eve Trade Union
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Posted - 2007.08.22 01:24:00 -
[659]
A picture can say more than the words it contains...
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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.08.22 01:25:00 -
[660]
Based upon community feedback, as well as the premature closure of the Market forums before the completion of the in-game market and contract systems, we will not be closing the making the announced changes to the Market forum channels. The CCG forums will remain in their read-only archival state.
Locking this thread so new discussion can be held in this thread concerning the update.
kieron Director of Community Relations, EVE Online EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang Look Ma, I'm in a Dev thread! Oh wait... |
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