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Originally by: Braeriach

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Sounds great!

Drones getting some love and Trinity 2! Almost makes me wanna buy Vista and a DX10 card! :)

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Originally by: N2IHC

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Regarding the new graphics engine, Trinity 2 - Will this be a required or optional client feature? I ask this mainly for those with low-spec computers that can't handle newer-spec graphics. It would be a shame if a new graphics engine were to suddenly prevent people from playing EVE because of too-high graphics requirements for current or older computers that can curently run EVE just fine.

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Originally by: N2IHC

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Regarding the new graphics engine, Trinity 2 - Will this be a required or optional client feature? I ask this mainly for those with low-spec computers that can't handle newer-spec graphics. It would be a shame if a new graphics engine were to suddenly prevent people from playing EVE because of too-high graphics requirements for current or older computers that can curently run EVE just fine.

I'd appreciate a Dev response, if possible.
Thanks!

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Originally by: Nyphur

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Edited by: Nyphur on 11/09/2007 01:22:31

Bandwidth sounds like this really neat feature we already have. The fact that you can only control 5 drones at once is sufficient and it already allows us to have larger bays on drone ships to be used for multiple waves. Why do we need a new attribute to do something that we already have?

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Originally by: Hoshi

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My understanding is this.
With this change they can give you a drone bay big enough to hold 5 heavy drones BUT at the same time using bandwidth limit you to only have 5 mediums out at the same time. This will allow them to give lower level drone boats (like vexor, thorax, arbitrator etc) more room for different drones and for more waves without increasing their dps at the same time.

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Originally by: Braeriach

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Sounds great!

Drones getting some love and Trinity 2! Almost makes me wanna buy Vista and a DX10 card! :)

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Originally by: Kenneth Brackhaven

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Ambulation?

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Originally by: Montaire

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Edited by: Montaire on 11/09/2007 01:37:18
Very nice indeed.

Will these Tech 2 ships have a BPO, and if so where will it come from ?

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Originally by: xBANDWAGONx

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so no factional warfare? Not sure how much longer I'm willing to wait... may need to just cancel and give my stuff away

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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the "Violators". Their versatility will work for many play styles but we also wanted something which would work for PvE play styles. This doesn't mean they will work well for only mission runners, so there is no need to brand them with the misnomer of the "mission ship".

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Originally by: Rainhailer

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Originally by: Montaire

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Edited by: Montaire on 11/09/2007 01:37:18
Very nice indeed.

Will these Tech 2 ships have a BPO, and if so where will it come from ?

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Where has your head been than you haven't heard of invention?

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Originally by: Montaire

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Originally by: Rainhailer

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Originally by: Montaire

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Edited by: Montaire on 11/09/2007 01:37:18
Very nice indeed.

Will these Tech 2 ships have a BPO, and if so where will it come from ?

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Where has your head been than you haven't heard of invention?

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BPO's my friend, its all about BPO's.

While Im not sure of the long term market affect of NO BPO's, I still think BPO's have a stabalizing effect on the market while invention exists.

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Originally by: Draekas Darkwater

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If I had to make a total guess about how the drones will work it would be this.

Drones will take different amounts of bandwidth to control at once, and each ship will have a maximum bandwith. 5 drones out at once will still be the max.

Small drones will take up 1 bandwidth, meds 3, and heavies 5. The new drones might have better stats, but use more bandwidth each than the regular ones we have currently. Not sure if Tech 2 will cost more bandwidth than tech 1s.

Example ships. Drake and Domi.

The Drake currently has 25m3 of drone bay. Instead, it will have a bandwidth of 5, and perhaps a drone bay of 50 to 75m3. This still caps out the drake pilot at 5 light drones or one heavy, but now he can hold some spares if they die in combat.

Domi currently has 375m3 of drone bay. Instead, it will have a bandwidth of 25 (or possibly higher to accomodate some of the new drones). This will allow it to control 5 heavies at a time. Its drone bay size may well increase to 500m3 or more, to hold multiple waves of drones, or different damage type ones, logistics, webbers, EW, ect.

Of course, that's a total guess, but it does sound good. =D

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Originally by: Goumindong

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On an partially unrelated note. Will Drones ships extra mid/low slot ever be looked at? Drones are pretty much like high slots right now, so ships with large drone bays or "bandwidth" pretty much have extra fitting compared to ships that dont. Add in the extra med and low slots and you start getting problems.

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Does "long-range, high versitility" mean that the Rokh and all other t2 snipers are now obsolete?

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Will Tech 2 Black-Ops battleships negate the need for stargates or will at least one ship have to get in as is current? Something that was brought up on our internal forum was changing carriers to not have fighters, but be able to bring friendlies in their bay. While this would be much too large a redesign of carriers{you can change weapon types when alternatives exist, but its pretty rough to remove a ships damage potential, especialy ones with such long training times), it would be very cool if this is what you had planned for Black-ops BS. Ships that worked to easily resupply forces with ships and fittings under combat scenarios while also being able to move pilots around.

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Originally by: Aravel Thon

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Originally by: Nith Batoxxx

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Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox...............

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I am so so terribly sorry...

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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus

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Originally by: Draekas Darkwater

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And wouldnt just increasing drone bays do the same thing? This bandwidth thing has me worried with no other info.

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Originally by: Draekas Darkwater

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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus

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Originally by: Draekas Darkwater

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And wouldnt just increasing drone bays do the same thing? This bandwidth thing has me worried with no other info.

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No. Look at what a Drake can field now. 5 light drones max, or 2 meds and 1 light.

If you simply increase the drone bay to 50m3, then you could field 5 mediums at once.. a marked increase in dps and utility over what it can currently field.

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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus

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Originally by: Goumindong

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On an partially unrelated note. Will Drones ships extra mid/low slot ever be looked at? Drones are pretty much like high slots right now, so ships with large drone bays or "bandwidth" pretty much have extra fitting compared to ships that dont. Add in the extra med and low slots and you start getting problems.

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I dont agree. Why does the archon have another lowslot compared to the thanatos? Why does the nidhogger not know what to tank and have less than both. Complaining that drone ships get free highslots is ludicrous some of us actually use them as a weapon system in and of themselves. Fitting guns on the domi is painfully difficult when trying to put any kind of a tank on it.. so the hybrid bonus is usually wasted. Really i dont see a problem (myrm excluded since it can fit guns AND a full tank). goodluck doing that on a domi.

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Originally by: George Petsch

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Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Is "bandwidth" anything like "drone control points"? Really, it ought to be.

Will "bandwidth" reduce the current total number of heavy drones some ships can fit? I am both worried that the Myrmidon will remain untouched and that the Geddon and Typhoon will be unable to launch drones they desperatly need to be competitive.

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Originally by: Goumindong

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On an partially unrelated note. Will Drones ships extra mid/low slot ever be looked at? Drones are pretty much like high slots right now, so ships with large drone bays or "bandwidth" pretty much have extra fitting compared to ships that dont. Add in the extra med and low slots and you start getting problems.

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Does "long-range, high versitility" mean that the Rokh and all other t2 snipers are now obsolete? An Amarran battleship with a range bonus, is absolutly and utterly ridiculous due to both the strength of the range bonus and the 250km max lock range. Or will these ships be relegated to using missiles? If not relegated to using missiles, how will you ensure they are versitile and long range without totaly overpowering them and making them super-hacs? Because right now, i am thinking about the Current Apoc or Geddon and giving them a range bonus, them i am pairing them either with themselves to hit to 220km with tachs or a scimitar to hit to 141km with pulses and just laughing at all t1 turret ships ever.

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Originally by: Goumindong

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ed: Will i ever get more than 4000 characters to use to type a message on the forums?

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Originally by: Kil'Roy

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I don't know if it has already been discussed, but these are my choices for the different models for the new T2 Battleships:

Violators
Amarr Abaddon
Caldari Rokh
Gallente Hyperion
Minmatar Malestrom

Black Ops
Amarr Armgeddon
Caldari Scorpion
Gallente Megathron
Minmatar Tempest



Who else would support this?

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Originally by: Hoshi

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Edited by: Hoshi on 11/09/2007 01:42:17
My understanding is this.
With this change they can give you a drone bay big enough to hold 5 heavy drones BUT at the same time using bandwidth limit you to only have 5 mediums out at the same time. This will allow them to give lower level drone boats (like vexor, thorax, arbitrator etc) more room for different drones and for more waves without increasing their dps at the same time.

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Edited by: Goumindong on 11/09/2007 05:39:18
An electron domi with no damage mods does 900 dps and still fits an LAR and 6 slots of resistance modules[before using rigs], excuse me while bemoan the fact that that not only does it have more DPS than any other short range ship when fitting no damage mods, it also has a huge tank and extra slots.

Yea, excuse the phoon, which with a comparable tank to the 900 DPS domi does 715 dps... but doesnt get an extra slot, and cant downsize its weapons.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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OMG. Every post of yours makes me want to vomit. Can you possibly whine about drone ships any more than you currently do?

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Hell yes. Anything as long as they don't use the Dominix model for a new T2 BS. Please God no.

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Originally by: InnerDrive

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Will we get to see IMPLANTS LOST on KILLMAILS?

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Originally by: rodgerd

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Originally by: Hoshi

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Edited by: Hoshi on 11/09/2007 01:42:17
My understanding is this.
With this change they can give you a drone bay big enough to hold 5 heavy drones BUT at the same time using bandwidth limit you to only have 5 mediums out at the same time. This will allow them to give lower level drone boats (like vexor, thorax, arbitrator etc) more room for different drones and for more waves without increasing their dps at the same time.

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It will be... interesting, to say the least, to see if this turns into a huge nerf to the Myrmidon.

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Originally by: Karanth

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Wimps play empire. Real men play in 0.0. Hardcore masochists live out in drone space.

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Originally by: Nyphur

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Bandwidth sounds like this really neat feature we already have. The fact that you can only control 5 drones at once is sufficient and it already allows us to have larger bays on drone ships to be used for multiple waves. Why do we need a new attribute to do something that we already have?

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Originally by: Nyphur

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Most of the changes look good but can I ask what the need is for even more types of Tech 2 ship, especially the ones listed here? Interdictors are flying coffins, a heavy interdictor would still be a flying coffin, just one that's a bit tougher and costs ten times as much. In a situation where you use interdictors, I don't see a hac-sized one being survivable enough to warrant using it over the current ones. Why make a new ship to fill a very specific role that an existing ship already has filled?

Where did all these ships come from? Where's the storyline behind their development and where are the events leading up to their release? Is this going to be another case of every race inventing the same exact types of ships at the same exact time for absolutely no reason?

Yes, I'm grouchy tonight. I'm sure I'll love the patch --_--;.

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Originally by: JForce

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Can I get a "Please explain" on:
"With this, bandwidth determines the number of drones you can control, allowing the dronebay to be considerably increased on drone ships, accommodating more waves or variety."

Do you mean to say that if my bandwidth is less than someone else, I can release 5 drones and they can release 10?

So combat will now be decided by how good your internet connection is?

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Originally by: Matthew

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No, it means that your ship will now have a "bandwidth" attribute, the same as "powergrid" or "CPU". No relationship at all to your real-life internet connection.

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Originally by: Metaller

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NO LOVE FOR THE DRONE REGIONS???

low sec is getting gas clouds and stuff and all 5 0.0 regions dont even have hacking or archeology sites?

that sucks!

And fix that damn exploration bug with the multispecs before rev 3. Or exploration in the drone regions is completly screwed as we have nothing else than unknowns to scan for!!!!!

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Originally by: Karanth

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Wimps play empire. Real men play in 0.0. Hardcore masochists live out in drone space.

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Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind

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Originally by: Matthew

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No, it means that your ship will now have a "bandwidth" attribute, the same as "powergrid" or "CPU". No relationship at all to your real-life internet connection.

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THIS is why one should always read to the last post before posting...

I associated "bandwith" with internet connection as well. Seems natural in an online-game, when talking about reducing lag...

Everything I wanted to say just has become irrelevant, so I'll just say: Please change the wording or clarify.
"Bandwith" isn't the best choice of words.

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Originally by: rodgerd

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Edited by: Goumindong on 11/09/2007 05:39:18
An electron domi with no damage mods does 900 dps and still fits an LAR and 6 slots of resistance modules[before using rigs], excuse me while bemoan the fact that that not only does it have more DPS than any other short range ship when fitting no damage mods, it also has a huge tank and extra slots.

Yea, excuse the phoon, which with a comparable tank to the 900 DPS domi does 715 dps... but doesnt get an extra slot, and cant downsize its weapons.

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If you want to restrict the Typhoon to the range, speed, and agility of the Domi, I'm sure you can have the extra damage.

Or you can keep being a ****** and demanding the lot in whatever ship you happened to train.

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Originally by: xBANDWAGONx

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Why no mention of factional warfare?

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Originally by: Kappas.

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Originally by: xBANDWAGONx

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Why no mention of factional warfare?

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Quick guess off the top of my head - because it's not in it?

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Originally by: Kerdrak

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We want new pictures!!!

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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There's no such thing as playing too much EvE!
You all obviously need more accounts!

Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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Regarding drone bandwidth, to jump in on Fendahl's feature, this is as many have suggested here, an additional constraint on drones so that the maximum will still be 5 drones as now, but an additional attribute of drone bandwidth will be added, allowing us to remove the necessity to balance ships according to drone bay capacity alone.

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Better kill-mail system

The aim of the review is to overhaul the killmail system, shifting it to a kill log available in the character sheet as a standard table, thus allowing a rich format view while keeping the current classic text format. The main benefit being the kill records are always persisted and won't fill your evemail inbox. All participants will be recorded and shown (no longer truncated at 20), NPC final blows (where NPC fired the death shot) will be shown and the kill log will update the highest damaging player as the recipient of the log update. Rigs and dropped items will be included alongside destroyed items. We hope this delivers.

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Originally by: Montaire

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Originally by: Rainhailer

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Originally by: Montaire

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Edited by: Montaire on 11/09/2007 01:37:18
Very nice indeed.

Will these Tech 2 ships have a BPO, and if so where will it come from ?

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Where has your head been than you haven't heard of invention?

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BPO's my friend, its all about BPO's.

While Im not sure of the long term market affect of NO BPO's, I still think BPO's have a stabalizing effect on the market while invention exists.

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Are you a developer? you seem to be answering my questions as if you had a hand in the process.

Do you recall why the Myrmidon has a 125 cube drone bay? Is it not unreasonable to assume that many ships have their current bays as a result of similar reasoning?[when all of that was redone]

Why then is asking what will happen with bandwidth on ships an unreasonable request? If a geddon got another 500 cubes of drone bay, but was reduced to 3 heavy drones in total, it would be a signifigant nerf to the ship. Similar for the phoon and many other ships that have drone bays that seem to be designed to carry multipule flights.

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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus

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Originally by: Draekas Darkwater

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If I had to make a total guess about how the drones will work it would be this.

Drones will take different amounts of bandwidth to control at once, and each ship will have a maximum bandwith. 5 drones out at once will still be the max.

Small drones will take up 1 bandwidth, meds 3, and heavies 5. The new drones might have better stats, but use more bandwidth each than the regular ones we have currently. Not sure if Tech 2 will cost more bandwidth than tech 1s.

Example ships. Drake and Domi.

The Drake currently has 25m3 of drone bay. Instead, it will have a bandwidth of 5, and perhaps a drone bay of 50 to 75m3. This still caps out the drake pilot at 5 light drones or one heavy, but now he can hold some spares if they die in combat.

Domi currently has 375m3 of drone bay. Instead, it will have a bandwidth of 25 (or possibly higher to accomodate some of the new drones). This will allow it to control 5 heavies at a time. Its drone bay size may well increase to 500m3 or more, to hold multiple waves of drones, or different damage type ones, logistics, webbers, EW, ect.

Of course, that's a total guess, but it does sound good. =D

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And wouldnt just increasing drone bays do the same thing? This bandwidth thing has me worried with no other info.

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Originally by: Liu

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Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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Regarding drone bandwidth, to jump in on Fendahl's feature, this is as many have suggested here, an additional constraint on drones so that the maximum will still be 5 drones as now, but an additional attribute of drone bandwidth will be added, allowing us to remove the necessity to balance ships according to drone bay capacity alone.

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wouldnt it be easier just to limit the bonus on certain ships (myrmidon, vexor, arbitrator, ishkur, etc.) to medium or light drones? this way they could still field heavy drones, but unbonussed.

additionally, this would make the dominix not so uber against everything, since only heavy drones would be used with bonus.

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Originally by: Grytok

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Interdiction Cruiser?!? You gotta be kiddin' right?

What should they be for? I can't see them going faster then a Interdictor unless they get a speed-bonus and minimum 5 Low-Slots.

Useless I say, or do they all have a Web-Range-Bonus?

Trash this idea and come up with something useful like an Assault Destroyer or EW-Battlecruisers.

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Originally by: Grytok

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Interdiction Cruiser?!? You gotta be kiddin' right?

What should they be for? I can't see them going faster then a Interdictor unless they get a speed-bonus and minimum 5 Low-Slots.

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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a probable invention cost for BS of 62 ME datacores and 62 starship engineering datacores, plus 50 millions from the decryptor (I think all the best decriptors will reach the same price of the Gallente model), we are speaking of 150 millions from each attempt (minimum, probably datacore prices will increase too), with a approximated success ratio of 25%.

That is 600 millions for a 5 ship BPC, with a 50% material malus.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Can you possibly whine more? I doubt it. Bandwidth will improve overall ship flexibility to non-drone specialized ships.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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You spoke too soon. Read the dev post a couple posts after yours. I correctly interpreted their intent. Try to stop failing.

Why would they change the number of heavy drones fielded by the Geddon to less than what it has now? The devs have worked hard to develop the current balance state. I don't see them messing with that in such a direction.

And so what if it did? If you end up not liking the changes then train something else. This isn't WoW. You're not stuck playing a Rogue or whatever. If something is so overpowered, start using it.

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Originally by: Mrs Grimmer

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Ok, the LP store from other factions is getting some extra love...

CAN YOU PLEASE INCLUDE ORE IN THERE?!?!?!

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Originally by: Vaarmoth Malinigvious

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How about the promised love for 0.0 pirate agents? You know the risk - reward thingy?

The Blood Raiders need some serious lovin'

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Originally by: Darth Felin

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Can you possibly whine more? I doubt it. Bandwidth will improve overall ship flexibility to non-drone specialized ships.

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You are just not right. This will benefit greatly "lower" droneships like Myrmidon or Vexor. I always had a dream to have a some light/meds in addition to 5 heavies at my Myrmi.

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Edited by: Goumindong on 11/09/2007 11:27:40

Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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You spoke too soon. Read the dev post a couple posts after yours. I correctly interpreted their intent. Try to stop failing.

Why would they change the number of heavy drones fielded by the Geddon to less than what it has now? The devs have worked hard to develop the current balance state. I don't see them messing with that in such a direction.

And so what if it did? If you end up not liking the changes then train something else. This isn't WoW. You're not stuck playing a Rogue or whatever. If something is so overpowered, start using it.

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Uhh, he mentioned nothing about what this would do the these ships, just that balancing no longer had to be done with drone bay alone.

Also, training takes time, it would be nice if all the ships would be usefull. There is nothing wrong with being specific aspects of the game

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Ships like the Dominix, Eos, Vexor and Ishtar will lose some of their advantage of flexibility with drones as other ships become more versatile due to increased drone bay size and are able to field different damage types and other specialty drones, just like the drone specific ships.

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Originally by: Valeo Galaem

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Originally by: Braeriach

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Sounds great!

Drones getting some love and Trinity 2! Almost makes me wanna buy Vista and a DX10 card! :)

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Its been said for almost a year now.. TRINITY 2 DOES NOT REQUIRE, NOR ACTUALLY USE, DIRECTX 10 OR VISTA!!!


..anyway, completely awesome! Can't wait to see the bits and pieces of this make an appearance on Sisi.

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Originally by: "Oveur's Dev Blog some time ago

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First and foremost, the new graphics engine Trinity 2 should be mentioned. Sure, it's also adding new goodies to utilize newer graphics card and there's even a special version for Windows Vista to utilize the powers of DirectX10. However, the current engine is almost 5 years old and time eventually catches up with you, especially when you keep expanding on top of that old foundation.

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Originally by: Ambani

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4. Are you going to implement the ISK for char transfer option in this release?
As of now, we gotta pay a 20$ extra - if this can be ISK, training and trading chars would be a more viable option.

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Originally by: Ambani

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7. Can you give some love for Caldari in terms of PvP enabling? Make them faster / give them some special high cpu req.<like covert ops> 60km range warp disruptors, may be some more etc. IOW, what is the work that is going in to equalize factions?

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Originally by: Kil'Roy

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I don't know if it has already been discussed, but these are my choices for the different models for the new T2 Battleships:

Violators
Amarr Abaddon
Caldari Rokh
Gallente Hyperion
Minmatar Malestrom

Black Ops
Amarr Armgeddon
Caldari Scorpion
Gallente Megathron
Minmatar Tempest



Who else would support this?

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Originally by: Royaldo

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complete win by Cornucopian!

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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You wont have any LPs. You need LPs with said Corp and like I said I just nuked your LPs.

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Originally by: Montaire

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BPO's are still available as a long term investment for large corps, alliances or investment minded individuals.

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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Edit note: Long-range is not a reference to weapons range but the ships ability to go deep into enemy territory and stay there for extended periods. It is not a HAC either

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Originally by: "CCP Oveur"

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Edit note: Bandwidth referenced here is not in reference to your internet connection. It's to un-nerf specialized drone ships and allow more differentation between ships. There is also specific Drone Region content in this update.

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Beautiful becomes gorgeous

The focus in this expansion is obviously on Trinity 2, the new graphics, but there are quite a few other things in there and this blog is by no means a complete list. We often find time to get more in and we have more in the pipes already that we want to address. However, this is the list we are comfortably sure about getting done in November. By all means, if you feel there is something we should be addressing, chime in on the ideas forum. Chances are that we're working on it already.

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Originally by: Zoea

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Will Trinity 2 include a Shader Model 3.0 path? or 2.1 or 2.0?

for example Bioshock has no Shader Model 2.1 path so ATI X850s will not work with that game. A shader model 3 path would suggest a GPU upgrade for me (handy perhaps as my GPU seems to have just gone up in smoke!).

Also will the DX10 engine be included in this release or is that coming later? and would you recommend a Shader Model 3 card for speed/looks reasons over a 2.1 card at this time? Or should we just pop out and get 8800/2900s now?

(BTW Shader Model 2, 2.1 and 3 are all DX9 features last I checked).

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Originally by: Kirja

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"These ships will currently enter like all other Tech 2 has entered the economy. Through the lottery and of course inventable."


I feel a distortion in the force as if thousands of players screamed in pain at once.

You know most of us cashed out years of Research Points after official "the lottery is closed". But now i feel fooled.

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Originally by: Xaen

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Big-bada-boom Improvements.

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Clarification on "foward trajectory"? The bomber has to be moving forward?

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Originally by: Kirja

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"These ships will currently enter like all other Tech 2 has entered the economy. Through the lottery and of course inventable."


I feel a distortion in the force as if thousands of players screamed in pain at once.

You know most of us cashed out years of Research Points after official "the lottery is closed". But now i feel fooled.

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Originally by: Kirja

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"These ships will currently enter like all other Tech 2 has entered the economy. Through the lottery and of course inventable."


I feel a distortion in the force as if thousands of players screamed in pain at once.

You know most of us cashed out years of Research Points after official "the lottery is closed". But now i feel fooled.

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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It is ufficially an exploit for all I know. or at least a moderator (yes, not the highest autority) stated stated that almost 10 months ago.

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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You are indeed right and my trusted colleagues have pointed out the flaw in my logic. There have been a number of Invention only releases and we will continue to do so. This is not the lottery you are looking for. It's dead Jim.

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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You are indeed right and my trusted colleagues have pointed out the flaw in my logic. There have been a number of Invention only releases and we will continue to do so. This is not the lottery you are looking for. It's dead Jim.

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Originally by: Ishina Fel

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Originally by: Zoea

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Will Trinity 2 include a Shader Model 3.0 path? or 2.1 or 2.0?

for example Bioshock has no Shader Model 2.1 path so ATI X850s will not work with that game. A shader model 3 path would suggest a GPU upgrade for me (handy perhaps as my GPU seems to have just gone up in smoke!).

Also will the DX10 engine be included in this release or is that coming later? and would you recommend a Shader Model 3 card for speed/looks reasons over a 2.1 card at this time? Or should we just pop out and get 8800/2900s now?

(BTW Shader Model 2, 2.1 and 3 are all DX9 features last I checked).

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The Trinity 2 engine coming with Rev III uses shader model 3.0. However it also offers the option to turn all shaders off, allowing it to run on more or less the same hardware that is able to run EVE now.

Do not - I repeat - do not buy a Geforce 8 or Radeon 2xxx series card! You will throw money out of the window!

First generation DX10 cards so far have been shown to lose anywhere between 40% and 75% (yes, 75%) fps when switching from DX9 to DX10 modes in the very same games, and this is consistent across just about all existing DX10 supporting games. If you want a graphics card for DX10 graphics, the ones that the industry sells you right now are a total scam and not worth half the money they cost. They are only as fast as advertised in DX9 mode.

Furthermore - or maybe because of that - Microsoft has just thrown DX10 out the window and finalized their DX10.1 standard. Which is incompatible to current DX10 cards. Furthermore, the new DX10.1 cards (slated to be released around the end of the year) are incompatible to current mainboards. So if I was you, I wouldn't be buying any new top-end hardware for the next year - rather get something cheap and easily replaceable. EVE isn't going DX10 for a while yet anyway, so you miss nothing.

By the way, the hardware industry loves Microsoft.

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Originally by: TsunTsu

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Originally by: Ishina Fel

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The Trinity 2 engine coming with Rev III uses shader model 3.0. However it also offers the option to turn all shaders off, allowing it to run on more or less the same hardware that is able to run EVE now.

Do not - I repeat - do not buy a Geforce 8 or Radeon 2xxx series card! You will throw money out of the window!

First generation DX10 cards so far have been shown to lose anywhere between 40% and 75% (yes, 75%) fps when switching from DX9 to DX10 modes in the very same games, and this is consistent across just about all existing DX10 supporting games. If you want a graphics card for DX10 graphics, the ones that the industry sells you right now are a total scam and not worth half the money they cost. They are only as fast as advertised in DX9 mode.

Furthermore - or maybe because of that - Microsoft has just thrown DX10 out the window and finalized their DX10.1 standard. Which is incompatible to current DX10 cards. Furthermore, the new DX10.1 cards (slated to be released around the end of the year) are incompatible to current mainboards. So if I was you, I wouldn't be buying any new top-end hardware for the next year - rather get something cheap and easily replaceable. EVE isn't going DX10 for a while yet anyway, so you miss nothing.

By the way, the hardware industry loves Microsoft.

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Where did you get these Infos from....do you have sources about the "facts" you mentioning here ?

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Originally by: Toany

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Oveur, what¦s about factional warfare?

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Originally by: Veng3ance

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Originally by: Toany

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Oveur, what¦s about factional warfare?

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I believe during the alliance tournament it was announced / discussed that Factional warefare would NOT be making it into Rev 3.

Good riddance. You really want more bugs?!!

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Originally by: violator2k5

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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a probable invention cost for BS of 62 ME datacores and 62 starship engineering datacores, plus 50 millions from the decryptor (I think all the best decriptors will reach the same price of the Gallente model), we are speaking of 150 millions from each attempt (minimum, probably datacore prices will increase too), with a approximated success ratio of 25%.

That is 600 millions for a 5 ship BPC, with a 50% material malus.

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damn you have high invention costs. i have a alt who also does invention for all races and tbh i dont even expect any of my jobs to be costing around that much even for when i start bs invention. im really looking forward to getting my feet wet on some bs invention. you really should be looking at cutting corners to reduce your costs instead of running straight for pure profit and hoping for the best.

50% of the time im counting for the following costs
ship bpc / decryptor / datacores

still making profit.... go figure

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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Stuff

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Originally by: Darth Felin

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Ships like the Dominix, Eos, Vexor and Ishtar will lose some of their advantage of flexibility with drones as other ships become more versatile due to increased drone bay size and are able to field different damage types and other specialty drones, just like the drone specific ships.

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You are wrong. The only ships that will lose advantage will be ship which have more dronbay that they can launch (more than 125m3) I can name only two such ships - Dominix and Ishtar. Imho Vexor and Eos will applaud to such boost.

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Originally by: Veng3ance

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Edited by: Veng3ance on 11/09/2007 17:15:25

Originally by: TsunTsu

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Originally by: Ishina Fel

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The Trinity 2 engine coming with Rev III uses shader model 3.0. However it also offers the option to turn all shaders off, allowing it to run on more or less the same hardware that is able to run EVE now.

Do not - I repeat - do not buy a Geforce 8 or Radeon 2xxx series card! You will throw money out of the window!

First generation DX10 cards so far have been shown to lose anywhere between 40% and 75% (yes, 75%) fps when switching from DX9 to DX10 modes in the very same games, and this is consistent across just about all existing DX10 supporting games. If you want a graphics card for DX10 graphics, the ones that the industry sells you right now are a total scam and not worth half the money they cost. They are only as fast as advertised in DX9 mode.

Furthermore - or maybe because of that - Microsoft has just thrown DX10 out the window and finalized their DX10.1 standard. Which is incompatible to current DX10 cards. Furthermore, the new DX10.1 cards (slated to be released around the end of the year) are incompatible to current mainboards. So if I was you, I wouldn't be buying any new top-end hardware for the next year - rather get something cheap and easily replaceable. EVE isn't going DX10 for a while yet anyway, so you miss nothing.

By the way, the hardware industry loves Microsoft.

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Where did you get these Infos from....do you have sources about the "facts" you mentioning here ?

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Ummm, go read some computer hardware sites? This is all common knowledge now

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/11/0524250&from=rss

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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You are indeed right and my trusted colleagues have pointed out the flaw in my logic. There have been a number of Invention only releases and we will continue to do so. This is not the lottery you are looking for. It's dead Jim.

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Originally by: CCP Hammer

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Originally by: Hllaxiu

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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 11/09/2007 01:09:27
Basically its a balancing factor for the Arbitrator Hull, Vexor, and Myrmidon. Lets say you only want these two ships to field medium drones. That means that you can realistically have a maximum drone bay of 75m3. This leaves no room for spares - dedicated heavy drone carriers however do get room for spares. If 50m3 of drone bandwidth is assigned to the above ships, their drone bays can be increased without turning them into heavy drone carriers (Ishtar, Dominix).

The Mymridon and Eos are the ships, if any, to receive a nerf out of this change - I expect the nonIshtar cruiser based drone boats to be boosted quite a bit with this change, as they will be able to carry spares now. This will also allow the Myrmidon to be rebalanced against medium drones. Good thing in my opinion.

I realize that the blog said "number of drones" but I'm betting that this is how things are going to end up, one way or another (perhaps a conversion factor between light/medium/heavy drones).

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This is fairly spot on. Expect a dev blog about this from the relevant dev before the patch hits. We're not doing this to try and nerf people.

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Originally by: Drachma Golea

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Originally by: Shadowsword

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Originally by: Surreptitious

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Will the Myrmidon and Eos be capable of fielding 5 Heavy Drones after this change?

Syrup

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Very probably not. And a dman good thing. Now their dps will be more on par with the others tier2 BC and fleet command ships.

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Huh, so you train for an Eos, with the knowledge of the power it has, and you say, well you shouldn't have that knowledge, you should be nerfed?

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Originally by: Drachma Golea

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Edited by: Drachma Golea on 11/09/2007 17:42:21

Originally by: CCP Hammer

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Specific balance changes can be discussed ad nauseam in the resulting forum thread based on not only the upcoming blog but also your testing on SISI. Like I said before we aren't doing this just to nerf you. I'm sure you will all agree it stands to reason that having balanced ships is better than having one ship that is far better than all other other ships in it's class.

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That's like saying, your co-workers make less money than you do, because you bought yourself in at a good price... but we are sorry now, we are going to make your salary a little lower now... so that you are in balance with your other co-workers... That simply goes beyond my comprehension... normally your co-workers will get up to your salary, not the other way round?

edit - typo's

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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You are indeed right and my trusted colleagues have pointed out the flaw in my logic. There have been a number of Invention only releases and we will continue to do so. This is not the lottery you are looking for. It's dead Jim.

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Originally by: Kil'Roy

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I don't know if it has already been discussed, but these are my choices for the different models for the new T2 Battleships:

Violators
Amarr Abaddon
Caldari Rokh
Gallente Hyperion
Minmatar Malestrom

Black Ops
Amarr Armgeddon
Caldari Scorpion
Gallente Megathron
Minmatar Tempest



Who else would support this?

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New client distribution, patcher and log-in

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Originally by: Ishina Fel

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Do not - I repeat - do not buy a Geforce 8 or Radeon 2xxx series card! You will throw money out of the window!

First generation DX10 cards so far have been shown to lose anywhere between 40% and 75% (yes, 75%) fps when switching from DX9 to DX10 modes in the very same games, and this is consistent across just about all existing DX10 supporting games. If you want a graphics card for DX10 graphics, the ones that the industry sells you right now are a total scam and not worth half the money they cost. They are only as fast as advertised in DX9 mode.

Furthermore - or maybe because of that - Microsoft has just thrown DX10 out the window and finalized their DX10.1 standard. Which is incompatible to current DX10 cards. Furthermore, the new DX10.1 cards (slated to be released around the end of the year) are incompatible to current mainboards. So if I was you, I wouldn't be buying any new top-end hardware for the next year - rather get something cheap and easily replaceable. EVE isn't going DX10 for a while yet anyway, so you miss nothing.

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